No One Has a Right to Health Care

[beagle9]

Why would you not want to participate in such a basic plan if it is cheap enough, and offers coverage that is decent when it comes to making choices by you on how to use your coverage offered you ?

Who knows? The point is, some would, and you seem to be acknowledging here that, under your proposed program, they would be forced to participate against their will. This is what most liberals can't bring themselves to recognize: that their urge to use government to bring about social change is the urge to use coercion to achieve their goals. It's essentially abandoning the effort to persuade people to voluntarily do something that you think is a good idea, and forcing them to do it instead. It's a fundamentally authoritarian point of view.

. Yes good points, and that is what needs to be debated openly and then voted upon in our society, but the real authoritarians/greedy control freaks in this nation won't even allow for such a debate where a great plan could be put forth to be debated or to even allow that vote, so what's the difference ?

 

[Little-Acorn]

Government shouldn't be demanding any provider, cake Baker or anyone to do something against their will.. Period.

Unless that person is breaking a law. And, of course, if the law is constitutional (many aren't, such as Obamacare).

It should only manage the deduction, and insured in that of the basic coverage it gives the participating taxpayers.

Right. After all, it says right in the Constitution that they have that power.

It says it right, um... where is that again? Somebody help me out here?

 

[beagle9]

Sorry ass shit, let's have other people pay for our shit...
Socialism

. Are you just a closed minded drone, and isn't that what is being rebuked by the Trump & Cruz supporters ? Is it that you can't debate something like Ray or dblack, so all you have is little one liners to cover up your closed mind in life ?.... Nothing for the common man or woman with people like you, and that has been a major problem in this nation. Are you a supporter of the Marines "never leave a man behind" or are you a coward that would leave a man behind ?

Socialism = leaves Everyman behind to save the one man, that man being the deadbeat...
Socialism could use a lot of tough love... To be economically viable. Lol

. Your opinion or your interpretation of what socialism is, and it could be, but the government plays a role already in having programs that we are required to participate in, and both parties have supported the programs.... Should we end all programs that we are forced to participate in today, and if so how do we do that, and what would be the effects ?

 

[beagle9]

Sorry ass shit, let's have other people pay for our shit...
Socialism

. Are you just a closed minded drone, and isn't that what is being rebuked by the Trump & Cruz supporters ? Is it that you can't debate something like Ray or dblack, so all you have is little one liners to cover up your closed mind in life ?.... Nothing for the common man or woman with people like you, and that has been a major problem in this nation. Are you a supporter of the Marines "never leave a man behind" or are you a coward that would leave a man behind ?

Socialism = leaves Everyman behind to save the one man, that man being the deadbeat...
Socialism could use a lot of tough love... To be economically viable. Lol

. Do you think a so called deadbeat is eternally marked, and can never be helped or turned around in life ? I know of countless stories where people were helped and had turned their lives around. Everyone isn't these eternal deadbeats in life that people who are selfish and greedy loves to suggest they are.

 

[Contumacious]

Sorry ass shit, let's have other people pay for our shit...
Socialism

. Are you just a closed minded drone, and isn't that what is being rebuked by the Trump & Cruz supporters ? Is it that you can't debate something like Ray or dblack, so all you have is little one liners to cover up your closed mind in life ?.... Nothing for the common man or woman with people like you, and that has been a major problem in this nation. Are you a supporter of the Marines "never leave a man behind" or are you a coward that would leave a man behind ?

Socialism = leaves Everyman behind to save the one man, that man being the deadbeat...
Socialism could use a lot of tough love... To be economically viable. Lol

. Your opinion or your interpretation of what socialism is, and it could be, but the government plays a role already in having programs that we are required to participate in, and both parties have supported the programs.... Should we end all programs that we are forced to participate in today, and if so how do we do that, and what would be the effects ?

SCOTUS had a chance to reverse/abolish ALL of the socialist bullshit imposed by Steward Machine Company v. Davis, 301 U.S. 548 (1937) and its progeny when it was considering National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, 567 U.S. ___ (2012), 183 L. Ed. 2d 450, 132 S.Ct. 2566,

But SCOTUS - Roberts - believed that that would have damaged the reputation of the Court so it capitulated to David Letterman and the fascist media.


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[beagle9]

Government shouldn't be demanding any provider, cake Baker or anyone to do something against their will.. Period.

Unless that person is breaking a law. And, of course, if the law is constitutional (many aren't, such as Obamacare).

It should only manage the deduction, and insured in that of the basic coverage it gives the participating taxpayers.

Right. After all, it says right in the Constitution that they have that power.

It says it right, um... where is that again? Somebody help me out here?

I am against what happen to the cake Baker.

 

[francoHFW]

Almost all UK hospitals are in the red due to NHS crunch

The U.K. National Health Society’s (NHS) ongoing financial problems are jeopardizing almost all of England’s hospitals, according to a special report from BBC.

The moral of the story is that socialized medicine does NOT work.

Actually, doesn't work well under conservative gov'ts who cut it and mess with it...see also red states and areas HERE.

 

[kaz]

All Americans should have a right to a basic insurance plan that is paid for with a deduction out of their incomes. It should be a plan that covers the basic life sustaining needs of the American. Extra coverage should be allowed to be purchased outside of the government plan, because the government is not a dictatorship and should never be a dictatorship.

No one has a "right" to reach into anyone else's wallet. It's armed robbery

 

[beagle9]

All Americans should have a right to a basic insurance plan that is paid for with a deduction out of their incomes. It should be a plan that covers the basic life sustaining needs of the American. Extra coverage should be allowed to be purchased outside of the government plan, because the government is not a dictatorship and should never be a dictatorship.

No one has a "right" to reach into anyone else's wallet. It's armed robbery

. Well what do you call it when the greed driven rich (the ones who do this in what are way to many these days), use their power and influence to rob and abuse the ones who can't defend against it ? There are countless examples of them abusing their power, but that doesn't count huh ? So when government is called in to help drive a wedge in between the two, then the government becomes that bad guy. Look I am not for socialism or dictatorships etc., but I am also not for the lower rungs on the ladder being stepped on by those who would do such a thing, and all because they (the weak), can't resist them. There has to be a balancing in society, and it can't be that the rich and powerful can abuse their power without consequence. If we want to go back to the plantation age of the 1800's then just say so.

 

[Contumacious]

All Americans should have a right to a basic insurance plan that is paid for with a deduction out of their incomes. It should be a plan that covers the basic life sustaining needs of the American. Extra coverage should be allowed to be purchased outside of the government plan, because the government is not a dictatorship and should never be a dictatorship.

No one has a "right" to reach into anyone else's wallet. It's armed robbery

. Well what do you call it when the greed driven rich (the ones who do this in what are way to many these days), use their power and influence to rob and abuse the ones who can't defend against it ? There are countless examples of them abusing their power, but that doesn't count huh ? So when government is called in to help drive a wedge in between the two, then the government becomes that bad guy. Look I am not for socialism or dictatorships etc., but I am also not for the lower rungs on the ladder being stepped on by those who would do such a thing because they can't resist them. There has to be a balancing in society, and it can't be that the rich and powerful can abuse their power without consequence. If we want to go back to the plantation age of the 1800's then just say so.

Identify the right that the "bad guys" are stepping on?

 

[beagle9]

King James version of the Bible says -

1. Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

4Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

5Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

6Ye have condemnedand killed the just; andhe doth not resist you.

Is this a good identifier that outlines some of the ways of man ?

 

[dblack]

King James version of the Bible says -

1. Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

4Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

5Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

6Ye have condemnedand killed the just; andhe doth not resist you.

Is this a good identifier that outlines some of the ways of man ?

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[beagle9]

King James version of the Bible says -

1. Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

4Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

5Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

6Ye have condemnedand killed the just; andhe doth not resist you.

Is this a good identifier that outlines some of the ways of man ?

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I thought I would convey this message for all the heartless I got mine, and to heck with anyone else in the nation. There has never been a pure playing field as some might try and suggest, so we being imperfect creatures should always recognise that if we have anything be it this or that, then we should be humble and thoughtful about it. There has been some cold hearted stuff being spewed about in here, and it's sad really.

 

[beagle9]

King James version of the Bible says - In the chapter of James - verse 1-6

1. Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

4Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

5Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

6Ye have condemnedand killed the just; andhe doth not resist you.

Is this a good identifier that outlines some of the ways of man ?

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. Added the chapter and verse.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

King James version of the Bible says -

1. Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

4Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

5Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

6Ye have condemnedand killed the just; andhe doth not resist you.

Is this a good identifier that outlines some of the ways of man ?

Apples and oranges.

During biblical times, there were only the rich and the poor. There was no capitalism, middle-class nor were there any social programs.

In the past, liberals have (from time to time) used the phrase "A camel to pass through the eye of a needle" to try and make the same point as you. So I looked it up.

Turns out money is not evil at all. Where that quote came from was the belief that money separated man from God back in those days. Money was such an obsession that many focused on material things over heavenly things.

Fast forward to today, and one has to ask who takes better care of their poor than the USA? On average, our poor live in larger homes with more amenities than the average European worker.

So we feed our poor with so much food they grow overweight. We put them in HUD homes sometimes in the suburbs with working people. They get free education and medial care under Medicaid. They have more children because those children are not the liability of the parent(s) they are a liability to taxpayers. Hell, they even have cell phones. Wouldn't Jesus be proud of that???

In some studies, it was found that welfare pays better than a job. In NYC for example, a person on all welfare programs makes more in cash equivalent than a starting school teacher.

This is not to mention that we in the USA are the most generous country on earth. Besides our tax money going to foreign entities, private donations also feed the world.

But that's not enough I guess. Now we need free medical care and college, and people want to use the Bible to squeeze even more water out of that sponge.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

All Americans should have a right to a basic insurance plan that is paid for with a deduction out of their incomes. It should be a plan that covers the basic life sustaining needs of the American. Extra coverage should be allowed to be purchased outside of the government plan, because the government is not a dictatorship and should never be a dictatorship.

No one has a "right" to reach into anyone else's wallet. It's armed robbery

. Well what do you call it when the greed driven rich (the ones who do this in what are way to many these days), use their power and influence to rob and abuse the ones who can't defend against it ? There are countless examples of them abusing their power, but that doesn't count huh ? So when government is called in to help drive a wedge in between the two, then the government becomes that bad guy. Look I am not for socialism or dictatorships etc., but I am also not for the lower rungs on the ladder being stepped on by those who would do such a thing, and all because they (the weak), can't resist them. There has to be a balancing in society, and it can't be that the rich and powerful can abuse their power without consequence. If we want to go back to the plantation age of the 1800's then just say so.

Why don't you give us a few examples of how the rich do this?

In the US, everybody has an option. If you don't like who you work for, you can work for somebody else. If you can't make a good enough living turning nuts onto bolts or washing floors, you can always learn a trade, open up your own business, or even get a vocational education.

 

[dblack]

I thought I would convey this message for all the heartless I got mine, and to heck with anyone else in the nation. There has never been a pure playing field as some might try and suggest, so we being imperfect creatures should always recognise that if we have anything be it this or that, then we should be humble and thoughtful about it. There has been some cold hearted stuff being spewed about in here, and it's sad really.

It is. But when you think about it, it's a pretty predictable outcome of government that strips people of their moral agency.

 

[beagle9]

King James version of the Bible says -

1. Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

4Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

5Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

6Ye have condemnedand killed the just; andhe doth not resist you.

Is this a good identifier that outlines some of the ways of man ?

Apples and oranges.

During biblical times, there were only the rich and the poor. There was no capitalism, middle-class nor were there any social programs.

In the past, liberals have (from time to time) used the phrase "A camel to pass through the eye of a needle" to try and make the same point as you. So I looked it up.

Turns out money is not evil at all. Where that quote came from was the belief that money separated man from God back in those days. Money was such an obsession that many focused on material things over heavenly things.

Fast forward to today, and one has to ask who takes better care of their poor than the USA? On average, our poor live in larger homes with more amenities than the average European worker.

So we feed our poor with so much food they grow overweight. We put them in HUD homes sometimes in the suburbs with working people. They get free education and medial care under Medicaid. They have more children because those children are not the liability of the parent(s) they are a liability to taxpayers. Hell, they even have cell phones. Wouldn't Jesus be proud of that???

In some studies, it was found that welfare pays better than a job. In NYC for example, a person on all welfare programs makes more in cash equivalent than a starting school teacher.

This is not to mention that we in the USA are the most generous country on earth. Besides our tax money going to foreign entities, private donations also feed the world.

But that's not enough I guess. Now we need free medical care and college, and people want to use the Bible to squeeze even more water out of that sponge.

None of your words have true heartfelt meaning, because you keep trying to use a select few, and the mismanagement of their cases to justify not doing right by anyone. This is the tactic used, but people who are legitimate cases, are not to be grouped in with your stereotypical ideas of why nothing should be done to help fix a problem in society. I was researching a possible symptom that a friend asked me to look up for them, and while I was looking I saw this by a person seeking advice also -

"I have been having trouble digesting my food properly, I throw up usually within 15 minutes after I wake up and the contents of my vomit usually include undigested food from the day before. Usually meats and vegetables. I also have muscle weakness and weight loss, but I assumed that would be attributed to the digestion problems. I haven’t been able to see a doctor because I just started a new job and my insurance won’t kick in for another month a half.
I’m afraid to go to the free clinic and get diagnosed with something that I will have to disclose to the insurance company that would cause them to deny me coverage. Not sure what to do.
Thank you for the concern and the help though…

Is this one of you snakes typical bums you describe ?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

King James version of the Bible says -

1. Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.

2Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.

3Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.

4Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.

5Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.

6Ye have condemnedand killed the just; andhe doth not resist you.

Is this a good identifier that outlines some of the ways of man ?

Apples and oranges.

During biblical times, there were only the rich and the poor. There was no capitalism, middle-class nor were there any social programs.

In the past, liberals have (from time to time) used the phrase "A camel to pass through the eye of a needle" to try and make the same point as you. So I looked it up.

Turns out money is not evil at all. Where that quote came from was the belief that money separated man from God back in those days. Money was such an obsession that many focused on material things over heavenly things.

Fast forward to today, and one has to ask who takes better care of their poor than the USA? On average, our poor live in larger homes with more amenities than the average European worker.

So we feed our poor with so much food they grow overweight. We put them in HUD homes sometimes in the suburbs with working people. They get free education and medial care under Medicaid. They have more children because those children are not the liability of the parent(s) they are a liability to taxpayers. Hell, they even have cell phones. Wouldn't Jesus be proud of that???

In some studies, it was found that welfare pays better than a job. In NYC for example, a person on all welfare programs makes more in cash equivalent than a starting school teacher.

This is not to mention that we in the USA are the most generous country on earth. Besides our tax money going to foreign entities, private donations also feed the world.

But that's not enough I guess. Now we need free medical care and college, and people want to use the Bible to squeeze even more water out of that sponge.

None of your words have true heartfelt meaning, because you keep trying to use a select few, and the mismanagement of their cases to justify not doing right by anyone. This is the tactic used, but people who are legitimate cases, are not to be grouped in with your stereotypical ideas of why nothing should be done to help fix a problem in society. I was researching a possible symptom that a friend asked me to look up for them, and while I was looking I saw this by a person seeking advice also -

"I have been having trouble digesting my food properly, I throw up usually within 15 minutes after I wake up and the contents of my vomit usually include undigested food from the day before. Usually meats and vegetables. I also have muscle weakness and weight loss, but I assumed that would be attributed to the digestion problems. I haven’t been able to see a doctor because I just started a new job and my insurance won’t kick in for another month a half.
I’m afraid to go to the free clinic and get diagnosed with something that I will have to disclose to the insurance company that would cause them to deny me coverage. Not sure what to do.
Thank you for the concern and the help though…

Is this one of you snakes typical bums you describe ?

So why didn't your friend go on Obama Care and have coverage????

 

[beagle9]

All Americans should have a right to a basic insurance plan that is paid for with a deduction out of their incomes. It should be a plan that covers the basic life sustaining needs of the American. Extra coverage should be allowed to be purchased outside of the government plan, because the government is not a dictatorship and should never be a dictatorship.

No one has a "right" to reach into anyone else's wallet. It's armed robbery

. Well what do you call it when the greed driven rich (the ones who do this in what are way to many these days), use their power and influence to rob and abuse the ones who can't defend against it ? There are countless examples of them abusing their power, but that doesn't count huh ? So when government is called in to help drive a wedge in between the two, then the government becomes that bad guy. Look I am not for socialism or dictatorships etc., but I am also not for the lower rungs on the ladder being stepped on by those who would do such a thing, and all because they (the weak), can't resist them. There has to be a balancing in society, and it can't be that the rich and powerful can abuse their power without consequence. If we want to go back to the plantation age of the 1800's then just say so.

Why don't you give us a few examples of how the rich do this?

In the US, everybody has an option. If you don't like who you work for, you can work for somebody else. If you can't make a good enough living turning nuts onto bolts or washing floors, you can always learn a trade, open up your own business, or even get a vocational education.

Who you talking to Ray ? Are your applications or theories to apply to every single American in your opinion Ray ? I guess no one ever faces hard times where hard decisions have to be made eh ? You did it all yourself did you Ray ? Never needed any help did you Ray ? Where were you educated Ray ? Was it in a public school Ray ? When you leave your home, do you ride down a wagon trail or a paved road with culverts and ditches Ray ? I could go on and on Ray.