No food stamps for any family of a striking worker

[Mr. Shaman]

Even if you quit your job, your family still qualifies for food stamps. We do not allow families to starve in this country

But that's not fair. We want everything to be fair. Right? If you have a job and provide for yourself and your family and decide to quit that job and take from me to buy your food then that is not fair. How can a liberal like you demand such unfairness?

.....But, when a CEO lays-off thousands.....and, gets a multi-million bonus....that's totally-fair, right?​

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So workers shouldn't stand up for a clean working environment and livable wages because of a poor job market? So businesses should be allowed to lower wages and get rid of benefits?

These rich people got rich on the backs of American workers. So the American workers ask for a fair cut for their work, and you say NO WAY!!!! ALL THE MONEY IS MINE MINE MINE.

And you are okay with that? Thats ridiculous.

You are truly a stupid ideologue.

Why on earth would a company want to lower wages and et rid of benefits?
Most corporations offer good wages and benefit packages to entice a better caliber employee.
Oh wait... Im sorry, you probably know nothing about that.

Those evil rich people you joke about.... if ya hadnt noticed..... they pay you wages dumbass.

Grow the **** up

So Wal Mart pays really well? I don't think so.

Yes for educated people. Yes I have what you might call a real job. I like to teach, but I also know that some of my students are made for that. Parents aren't happy that I say their son or daughter isn't really fit for college. But I tell them that if they specialize in a certain skilled labor, they will be more happy.

Some kids like to have things in their hands and do something. Some like myself, like to broaden my horizons, read and learn. I like to do that. We need labor in this country, but you keep lowering the initial wage like the cartels are doing. Its going to reduce our purchasing power, reducing the ability to take care of their families.

Its very bad news for America when we don't pay our workers decent, livable wages.

They pay well enough that they have managed to win every single time the unions have tried to move in on them.

Not only that, they generally deliver lower priced, better tasting, and locally grown produce than the union stores liberal love. No wonder they want to keep them out of the big cities, people would flock to them and unions would loose even more power.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It got buried in TMs BS, but I think it was Willow who raised a good question: why aren't the unions saving dues and/or calling on other unions to support the workers during strikes? Just from a pragmatic standpoint, it would strengthen them for times of strike and ensure they could care for their members and their families even if the politicians were to prevent them from collecting State benefits.

Shouldn't the spirit of the union include using dues collected to ensure your people can pay their rent/mortgage and feed their children when you turn to such tactics as the general strike?

Morally, ethically, and pragmatically, Willow's question is a good one.

I think the answer is once again that the union leadership cares more about their own power and satiating their own greed than the good of their members of the proletariat as a whole.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/142896-unions-in-the-us.html

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I guess he's throwing his hat in with TM

that neg was for the neg you gave me **** off and die a painful death.

 

[Jarhead]

You are truly a stupid ideologue.

Why on earth would a company want to lower wages and et rid of benefits?
Most corporations offer good wages and benefit packages to entice a better caliber employee.
Oh wait... Im sorry, you probably know nothing about that.

Those evil rich people you joke about.... if ya hadnt noticed..... they pay you wages dumbass.

Grow the **** up

So Wal Mart pays really well? I don't think so.

Yes for educated people. Yes I have what you might call a real job. I like to teach, but I also know that some of my students are made for that. Parents aren't happy that I say their son or daughter isn't really fit for college. But I tell them that if they specialize in a certain skilled labor, they will be more happy.

Some kids like to have things in their hands and do something. Some like myself, like to broaden my horizons, read and learn. I like to do that. We need labor in this country, but you keep lowering the initial wage like the cartels are doing. Its going to reduce our purchasing power, reducing the ability to take care of their families.

Its very bad news for America when we don't pay our workers decent, livable wages.

They pay well enough that they have managed to win every single time the unions have tried to move in on them.

Not only that, they generally deliver lower priced, better tasting, and locally grown produce than the union stores liberal love. No wonder they want to keep them out of the big cities, people would flock to them and unions would loose even more power.

And if you prove to be a dedicated employee with a good work ethic, you will be recognized and move up to supervisor...and thenmanager...and then district manager...and then you have a resume that allows you to get a great position with Macy's as a national manager...then vice presient of retail operations...then executive VP of international sales....

It is sort of how it works.

Sorry the cashier only makes 12 an hour. That is what the responsibilities warrant. But you can not put a price tag on the opportunity for career growth and development.

You see...those on the left have the Walmart employees feeling so bad about their jobs, they are too busy complaining to see what kind of opportunities are available to them with a little hard work.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I already did numberous times.

You are taking away a benifit that other Americans have access to because these peoples perfectly legal activity.


Why does that fact not permeate your brain case?

It's called a choice they want to pay union dues and go on strike they can do it, but they are on their own. It's up to the unions to keep them up, not me and others who choose to work.

 

[Vanquish]

It's amazing that Republicans live in this fantasy world that if only you just do your job you'll always be rewarded and never shat upon.

Employers - small, medium, and large - have the majority of the power in today's economy. Even as fuckwits like Jarhead have said "kind of silly in this economy (to risk your job)". That's because the employers have the power.

I don't think that people should be paid for not working. Everyone should earn their keep. BUT. And the BUT is...the economy as a whole needs to have a way to help the middle class not only survive - but thrive.

I honestly think that a lot of republicans are republicans because of the "brand" associated with the party. They associate big business and the rich, as well as the apple-pie American lifestyle with the republican brand. They hope someday to be part of that dream. Part of the elite, rich, ruling class...even though...like Tyler Durden said "Movies and TV shows promised us that we'd all be rockstars and millionaires, but it's not ever going to happen."

That's not true for all conservatives, but I've seen it enough in person to know it's true.

(Liberals on the other hand are overly idealistic and white guilt mongers who can be just as nasty.)

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

How would you feel about tea party members being refused any government assitance?


They rail against it for others so they should be punished for their railing by being denied any services.


This would be the government doing the same thing they are trying to do to union members.

Its punishing someone for a legal activity for poltical reasons.

Did the tea partiers go on strike and willfully walk off their jobs? I must have missed that.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Even if you quit your job, your family still qualifies for food stamps.

I'm not so sure that's the case. In MA you had to fill out a form that stated you were involuntarily let go.

We do not allow families to starve in this country

Well if you walk away from your job then you should starve.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I already did numberous times.

You are taking away a benifit that other Americans have access to because these peoples perfectly legal activity.

Why don't we all quit our jobs and go on welfare then?

 

[R.D.]

Even if you quit your job, your family still qualifies for food stamps We do not allow families to starve in this country

Sucks, doesn't it

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

How would you feel about tea party members being refused any government assitance?


They rail against it for others so they should be punished for their railing by being denied any services.


This would be the government doing the same thing they are trying to do to union members.

Its punishing someone for a legal activity for poltical reasons.

Did the tea partiers go on strike and willfully walk off their jobs? I must have missed that.

Me too.. as well as the part where the Teapartiers were signing up for welfare and food stamps.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Yeah.....DAMN those 12%ers (who actually have the balls to Question Authority.....and, expose the 88% for the gutless-weenies/lemmings they are)!!!!​

Union people are sheep. They want to not work and expect me to support them.
I have absolutely no obligation to support someone who refuses to work.

I get up every day and work to support myself I would never ask another man to support me and I would never support another man who refused to work.

....And, if you're gettin' screwed-over (pay-wise), you're gonna roll-over (for management), 'cause you wanna keep your job.....even though it's more-than-obvious that upper-management is only worried about their next-fuckin'-bonu$ (and, could almost give-a-**** about the company's....or, your....long-term financial-stability/plans).​

I work for myself because I refuse to be a sheep like you.

I have never not paid my own way and I have never asked anyone to support me. if I had to work 3 jobs to pay my bills, then that's what I did.

If I worked some place i thought was treating me unfairly I found another job.

If you want to strike and not get paid that's your choice and I am not responsible for feeding your lazy ass.

 

[Stephanie]

Yup. You better not strike and try to get a better deal, American worker. The GOP is making sure your family will have to struggle as much as possible if you dare.

LOl, the GOP isn't doing shit to them. THEY CHOSE to strike, it is THEM who is putting their families in that position.

We taxpayers don't owe them a damn thing. Let them go sponge off their family members or go panhandle on a street corner.

 

[AllieBaba]

Union people are sheep. They want to not work and expect me to support them.
I have absolutely no obligation to support someone who refuses to work.

I get up every day and work to support myself I would never ask another man to support me and I would never support another man who refused to work.

....And, if you're gettin' screwed-over (pay-wise), you're gonna roll-over (for management), 'cause you wanna keep your job.....even though it's more-than-obvious that upper-management is only worried about their next-fuckin'-bonu$ (and, could almost give-a-**** about the company's....or, your....long-term financial-stability/plans).​

I work for myself because I refuse to be a sheep like you.

I have never not paid my own way and I have never asked anyone to support me. if I had to work 3 jobs to pay my bills, then that's what I did.

If I worked some place i thought was treating me unfairly I found another job.

If you want to strike and not get paid that's your choice and I am not responsible for feeding your lazy ass.

And if there are issues at the workplace that violate people's rights, YOU are obligated to take a stand and defend them. But there is no way a "right" to have your job be every single thing you want it to be and then some.

 

[The T]

I already did numberous times.

You are taking away a benifit that other Americans have access to because these peoples perfectly legal activity.


Why does that fact not permeate your brain case?

It's called a choice they want to pay union dues and go on strike they can do it, but they are on their own. It's up to the unions to keep them up, not me and others who choose to work.

And don't need Unions to speak for us.

 

[The T]

Even if you quit your job, your family still qualifies for food stamps. We do not allow families to starve in this country

But that's not fair. We want everything to be fair. Right? If you have a job and provide for yourself and your family and decide to quit that job and take from me to buy your food then that is not fair. How can a liberal like you demand such unfairness?

.....But, when a CEO lays-off thousands.....and, gets a multi-million bonus....that's totally-fair, right?​

**** stick...that money belongs to that corporation...the CEO's generally are voted in by those that hold STOCK in the company.

And it's none of your business unless you are a stock holder...your only recourse is not to patronize that corporation.

And your class-envy/warfare shit is wearing really thin to the point of viewing you and your cohorts as irresponsible petulant children that don't know and were taught wrong. Very wrong.

 

[AllieBaba]

It's twisted thinking.

 

[The T]

It's twisted thinking.

Hugely warped sense of responsibility...

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Ehhhhhhh.. wrong answer.. please see Don Pardo for some lovely parting gifts...

There are a plethora of workers, including myself, that have no union presence ANYWHERE near the jobs we work... there is no threat of any corrupt union that drives my compensation nor is there any union giving me any power to negotiate... that power, unlike in the cases of sheep like yourself, is entirely MINE

That is the key, and have something to go to the table with and you will succeed. Libs call conservatives mind slaves ans zombies, yet it is them who join the collective ans stand around waiting for there unions to think for them, and then expect a hand out from the tax payer when they strike because they dont get an espresso machine in the break room and two more sick days a year.

Espresso machine?

Typical right wing rhetoric. Try food on the table, your kids education, healthcare, your retirement benefits.

These are the issues workers care about and the rightwing is trying to erode

I have food on my table, my kids are well educated, we have health care that has gone up $300.00 a month thanks to the reform bill but we have it and I can retire at 55 if I like and no union did any of that for me. My future is in my hands ware it belongs and the Government cant **** it up to bad. I call my shots, and I dont have to rob the tax payer to feed my family. I can do that because I know if the employer I work for dont want to pay up I can walk and find one who will. Aside from that, union strikers get strike pay. if they need more then let the union feed them. Not my job to do it so **** them.

 

[The T]

That is the key, and have something to go to the table with and you will succeed. Libs call conservatives mind slaves ans zombies, yet it is them who join the collective ans stand around waiting for there unions to think for them, and then expect a hand out from the tax payer when they strike because they dont get an espresso machine in the break room and two more sick days a year.

Espresso machine?

Typical right wing rhetoric. Try food on the table, your kids education, healthcare, your retirement benefits.

These are the issues workers care about and the rightwing is trying to erode

I have food on my table, my kids are well educated, we have health care that has gone up $300.00 a month thanks to the reform bill but we have it and I can retire at 55 if I like and no union did any of that for me. My future is in my hands ware it belongs and the Government cant **** it up to bad. I call my shots, and I dont have to rob the tax payer to feed my family. I can do that because I know if the employer I work for dont want to pay up I can walk and find one who will. Aside from that, union strikers get strike pay. if they need more then let the union feed them. Not my job to do it so **** them.

Amazing how some of these people will tether thier own liberty to someone else...and not realize what they're doing.