No Bailout, Pleeeeeezzzzz!!!!

[Mac1958]

Doubt it will go anywhere...

Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not saying it would work, but we're in new political territory right now. It's not just about their ideology, it's not just about health care, it's also about Trump. People are just not thinking clearly.

Um, even more so than before...
.

 

[Wry Catcher]

OK....the flagship of Liberalism, California....has their collective neck on the chopping block again....and I'm hoping that no federal savior comes to their rescue.

As usual, for Liberals, feeling passes for knowing.....and that means if it sounds good, the heck with the costs!
And by 'costs,' I mean redistribution from earners to....well, authorized 'victims.'



1. "$400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill
By Associated Press | May 23, 2017
A California bill that would eliminate health insurance companies and provide government-funded health coverage for everyone in the state...." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill

2. By 'everyone,' that means millions of illegal aliens who don't work, and don't contribute to what the Liberal eggheads claim will be the workplace taxes that will offset the $400 billion.

3. "...total healthcare costs would increase by an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion a year."
BTW......California: $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.
Think they're gonna be looking for a bailout? You betcha'!!!!!





4. "The concept known as single-payer has energized liberals who are pushing Democratic lawmakers to approve the measure."

5. ".....Medicare, Medicaid, federal public health funds and "Obamacare" subsidies. That's enough to cover about half of the $400 billion cost, according to the legislative analysis.

The rest would come from higher taxes on businesses, residents or both. It would take a 15% payroll tax to raise enough money, the analysis said."

And...when was the last time some Leftist boondoggle came in even near budget?????





6. ".... it would need cooperation from President Donald Trump's administration to waive rules about federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill



I almost wish Trump would give 'em the OK just so we could see Social Darwinism in action.




Question......must one start out stupid to be a Liberal....or do they do some sort of exorcism of common sense???

Doubt it will go anywhere, California already has a problem with insane taxation driving out inland business as well as residents, this would just make it far, far worse with the state becoming even more deeply bifurcated between the coastal haves and the inland have nots.

Of course with the radical gub'mint worshipers that run the State of California, who knows, maybe it will make it through in which case it'll be interesting to watch as the Golden State provides an abject lesson in the perils of single payer healthcare and exactly what happens when you run out of others peoples money to spend.

Do you know that California has the 6th largest economy in The World?
FYI:
Bay Area economy outpaces U.S., China

Yeah and apparently the monkey's that run the state are hoping to turn it into something much farther down the list.

Now that we're done playing non sequitur trivial pursuit, we can get back to something relevant.

I suggest you explain your use of "non sequitur". If directed at my post, it's pretty clear you have no idea what non sequitur means.

 

[Doc1]

OK....the flagship of Liberalism, California....has their collective neck on the chopping block again....and I'm hoping that no federal savior comes to their rescue.

As usual, for Liberals, feeling passes for knowing.....and that means if it sounds good, the heck with the costs!
And by 'costs,' I mean redistribution from earners to....well, authorized 'victims.'



1. "$400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill
By Associated Press | May 23, 2017
A California bill that would eliminate health insurance companies and provide government-funded health coverage for everyone in the state...." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill

2. By 'everyone,' that means millions of illegal aliens who don't work, and don't contribute to what the Liberal eggheads claim will be the workplace taxes that will offset the $400 billion.

3. "...total healthcare costs would increase by an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion a year."
BTW......California: $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.
Think they're gonna be looking for a bailout? You betcha'!!!!!





4. "The concept known as single-payer has energized liberals who are pushing Democratic lawmakers to approve the measure."

5. ".....Medicare, Medicaid, federal public health funds and "Obamacare" subsidies. That's enough to cover about half of the $400 billion cost, according to the legislative analysis.

The rest would come from higher taxes on businesses, residents or both. It would take a 15% payroll tax to raise enough money, the analysis said."

And...when was the last time some Leftist boondoggle came in even near budget?????





6. ".... it would need cooperation from President Donald Trump's administration to waive rules about federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill



I almost wish Trump would give 'em the OK just so we could see Social Darwinism in action.




Question......must one start out stupid to be a Liberal....or do they do some sort of exorcism of common sense???

Doubt it will go anywhere, California already has a problem with insane taxation driving out inland business as well as residents, this would just make it far, far worse with the state becoming even more deeply bifurcated between the coastal haves and the inland have nots.

Of course with the radical gub'mint worshipers that run the State of California, who knows, maybe it will make it through in which case it'll be interesting to watch as the Golden State provides an abject lesson in the perils of single payer healthcare and exactly what happens when you run out of others peoples money to spend.

Do you know that California has the 6th largest economy in The World?
FYI:
Bay Area economy outpaces U.S., China

So what, this is a stupid plan that will increase Taxes in an exponential manner and wreak havoc on their economy. Only morons think that anyone can increase the TOTAL Budget by almost 3 times and maintain that it is a viable plan.

 

[Wry Catcher]

OK....the flagship of Liberalism, California....has their collective neck on the chopping block again....and I'm hoping that no federal savior comes to their rescue.

As usual, for Liberals, feeling passes for knowing.....and that means if it sounds good, the heck with the costs!
And by 'costs,' I mean redistribution from earners to....well, authorized 'victims.'



1. "$400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill
By Associated Press | May 23, 2017
A California bill that would eliminate health insurance companies and provide government-funded health coverage for everyone in the state...." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill

2. By 'everyone,' that means millions of illegal aliens who don't work, and don't contribute to what the Liberal eggheads claim will be the workplace taxes that will offset the $400 billion.

3. "...total healthcare costs would increase by an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion a year."
BTW......California: $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.
Think they're gonna be looking for a bailout? You betcha'!!!!!





4. "The concept known as single-payer has energized liberals who are pushing Democratic lawmakers to approve the measure."

5. ".....Medicare, Medicaid, federal public health funds and "Obamacare" subsidies. That's enough to cover about half of the $400 billion cost, according to the legislative analysis.

The rest would come from higher taxes on businesses, residents or both. It would take a 15% payroll tax to raise enough money, the analysis said."

And...when was the last time some Leftist boondoggle came in even near budget?????





6. ".... it would need cooperation from President Donald Trump's administration to waive rules about federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill



I almost wish Trump would give 'em the OK just so we could see Social Darwinism in action.




Question......must one start out stupid to be a Liberal....or do they do some sort of exorcism of common sense???

Doubt it will go anywhere, California already has a problem with insane taxation driving out inland business as well as residents, this would just make it far, far worse with the state becoming even more deeply bifurcated between the coastal haves and the inland have nots.

Of course with the radical gub'mint worshipers that run the State of California, who knows, maybe it will make it through in which case it'll be interesting to watch as the Golden State provides an abject lesson in the perils of single payer healthcare and exactly what happens when you run out of others peoples money to spend.

Do you know that California has the 6th largest economy in The World?
FYI:
Bay Area economy outpaces U.S., China

So what, this is a stupid plan that will increase Taxes in an exponential manner and wreak havoc on their economy. Only morons think that anyone can increase the TOTAL Budget by almost 3 times and maintain that it is a viable plan.

There are cost benefits and cost deficits - something concrete thinkers can't comprehend. BTW, anything posted by PoliticalChic is suspect, her facts, figures, and conclusions should never be trusted, and her defense is and always has been a series of logical fallacies.

 

[PoliticalChic]

OK....the flagship of Liberalism, California....has their collective neck on the chopping block again....and I'm hoping that no federal savior comes to their rescue.

As usual, for Liberals, feeling passes for knowing.....and that means if it sounds good, the heck with the costs!
And by 'costs,' I mean redistribution from earners to....well, authorized 'victims.'



1. "$400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill
By Associated Press | May 23, 2017
A California bill that would eliminate health insurance companies and provide government-funded health coverage for everyone in the state...." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill

2. By 'everyone,' that means millions of illegal aliens who don't work, and don't contribute to what the Liberal eggheads claim will be the workplace taxes that will offset the $400 billion.

3. "...total healthcare costs would increase by an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion a year."
BTW......California: $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.
Think they're gonna be looking for a bailout? You betcha'!!!!!





4. "The concept known as single-payer has energized liberals who are pushing Democratic lawmakers to approve the measure."

5. ".....Medicare, Medicaid, federal public health funds and "Obamacare" subsidies. That's enough to cover about half of the $400 billion cost, according to the legislative analysis.

The rest would come from higher taxes on businesses, residents or both. It would take a 15% payroll tax to raise enough money, the analysis said."

And...when was the last time some Leftist boondoggle came in even near budget?????





6. ".... it would need cooperation from President Donald Trump's administration to waive rules about federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill



I almost wish Trump would give 'em the OK just so we could see Social Darwinism in action.




Question......must one start out stupid to be a Liberal....or do they do some sort of exorcism of common sense???

Doubt it will go anywhere, California already has a problem with insane taxation driving out inland business as well as residents, this would just make it far, far worse with the state becoming even more deeply bifurcated between the coastal haves and the inland have nots.

Of course with the radical gub'mint worshipers that run the State of California, who knows, maybe it will make it through in which case it'll be interesting to watch as the Golden State provides an abject lesson in the perils of single payer healthcare and exactly what happens when you run out of others peoples money to spend.

Do you know that California has the 6th largest economy in The World?
FYI:
Bay Area economy outpaces U.S., China

So what, this is a stupid plan that will increase Taxes in an exponential manner and wreak havoc on their economy. Only morons think that anyone can increase the TOTAL Budget by almost 3 times and maintain that it is a viable plan.

":....increase Taxes in an exponential manner and wreak havoc on their economy."

It is an essential element in the Democrat playbook.

The NYTimes on Obama:
But he did identify what he called “tactical lessons.” He let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend liberal Democrat.” The Education of President Obama



"Only morons think that anyone can increase the TOTAL Budget by almost 3 times and maintain that it is a viable plan."

Spelled 'DEMOCRAT"

 

[NYcarbineer]

The undocumented getting the benefit won't fly and probably shouldn't, but otherwise it's a good idea, but,

another problem I see is that single payer eliminates employer provided healthcare, but once the employers are out from under that,

will they transfer that reduced cost to them to their employees income, or will they try to keep for their bottom line, shareholders, etc.? It belongs to the employees, and would offset a higher payroll tax.

 

[PoliticalChic]

OK....the flagship of Liberalism, California....has their collective neck on the chopping block again....and I'm hoping that no federal savior comes to their rescue.

As usual, for Liberals, feeling passes for knowing.....and that means if it sounds good, the heck with the costs!
And by 'costs,' I mean redistribution from earners to....well, authorized 'victims.'



1. "$400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill
By Associated Press | May 23, 2017
A California bill that would eliminate health insurance companies and provide government-funded health coverage for everyone in the state...." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill

2. By 'everyone,' that means millions of illegal aliens who don't work, and don't contribute to what the Liberal eggheads claim will be the workplace taxes that will offset the $400 billion.

3. "...total healthcare costs would increase by an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion a year."
BTW......California: $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.
Think they're gonna be looking for a bailout? You betcha'!!!!!





4. "The concept known as single-payer has energized liberals who are pushing Democratic lawmakers to approve the measure."

5. ".....Medicare, Medicaid, federal public health funds and "Obamacare" subsidies. That's enough to cover about half of the $400 billion cost, according to the legislative analysis.

The rest would come from higher taxes on businesses, residents or both. It would take a 15% payroll tax to raise enough money, the analysis said."

And...when was the last time some Leftist boondoggle came in even near budget?????





6. ".... it would need cooperation from President Donald Trump's administration to waive rules about federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill



I almost wish Trump would give 'em the OK just so we could see Social Darwinism in action.




Question......must one start out stupid to be a Liberal....or do they do some sort of exorcism of common sense???

Doubt it will go anywhere, California already has a problem with insane taxation driving out inland business as well as residents, this would just make it far, far worse with the state becoming even more deeply bifurcated between the coastal haves and the inland have nots.

Of course with the radical gub'mint worshipers that run the State of California, who knows, maybe it will make it through in which case it'll be interesting to watch as the Golden State provides an abject lesson in the perils of single payer healthcare and exactly what happens when you run out of others peoples money to spend.

Do you know that California has the 6th largest economy in The World?
FYI:
Bay Area economy outpaces U.S., China

So what, this is a stupid plan that will increase Taxes in an exponential manner and wreak havoc on their economy. Only morons think that anyone can increase the TOTAL Budget by almost 3 times and maintain that it is a viable plan.

There are cost benefits and cost deficits - something concrete thinkers can't comprehend. BTW, anything posted by PoliticalChic is suspect, her facts, figures, and conclusions should never be trusted, and her defense is and always has been a series of logical fallacies.

"anything posted by PoliticalChic is suspect, her facts, figures, and conclusions should never be trusted,"

Everything I post is documented,linked, sourced and totally correct.

Let's give you a dozen chances to prove you aren't a lying low-life Liberal:

1... in today’s recovery — the slowest in the modern era going back to 1947 — private capital investment has lagged badly. ... so has the jobs situation, with 92 million dropping out of the workforce altogether. A labor-participation rate of 62.8% and an employment-to-population rate of 58% are historic lows indicative of the anemic jobs recovery. Big Business Swings Behind a Mantra of Growth - The New York Sun


2. Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama
Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama


3. . "Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession
. ...the Census Bureau's Current Population Survey ....indicate that the real (inflation-adjusted) median annual household income in America has fallen by 4.4 percent during the "recovery," after having fallen by 1.8 during the recession.
Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession


4. . In a stunning Tuesday report, Gallup CEO and Chairman Jim Clifton revealed that “for the first time in 35 years, American business deaths now outnumber business births.”Clifton says for the past six years since 2008, employer business startups have fallen below the business failure rate, spurring what he calls “an underground earthquake” that only stands to worsen as lagging U.S. Census data becomes available.
“Let’s get one thing clear: This economy is never truly coming back unless we reverse the birth and death trends of American businesses,” writes Clifton." Economic Death Spiral: More American Businesses Dying Than Starting - Breitbart


5. "Surprise: U.S. Economic Data Have Been the World's Most Disappointing
It's not only the just-released University of Michigan consumer confidence report and February retail sales on Thursday that surprised economists and investors with another dose of underwhelming news. Overall, U.S. economic data have been falling short of prognosticators' expectations by the most in six years." Surprise: U.S. Economic Data Have Been the World's Most Disappointing

6. . "That basic math is why middle class incomes have been in decline under Obama. The Census Bureau reports that since Obama became President 7 years ago, real median household income has fallen by $1,300 a year. Heritage Foundation Chief Economist Steve Moore explained in testimony before the Ways and Means Committee, “At 2 percent growth the economy doesn’t spin off enough jobs to increase wages, and tax revenues grow much too slowly to balance the budget.”
The recession officially ended more than 6 years ago. Wages and incomes have always grown in recoveries, not declined. Moreover, the American historical record is the deeper the recession, the stronger the recovery. The economy is supposed to boom in a recovery to catch up with its long term economic growth trendline. But over 6 years after the recession ended, that still has not happened. Instead, what we have gotten under President Obama is the worst recovery from a recession since the Great Depression." http://limittaxes.org/2016/02/realizing-the-super-bowl-of-american-economic-growth/



7. "Even if you leave out the first quarter of 2009—when the recession that started in December 2007 was still ongoing--President Barack Obama has presided over the lowest average first-quarter GDP growth of any president who has served since 1947, which is the earliest year for which the Bureau of Economic Analysis has calculated quarterly GDP growth. " http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/terence...-obama-has-lowest-average-1stq-gdp-growth-any


8. The Obama Administration is aggressively exploiting regulation to achieve its policy agenda, issuing 157 new major rules at a cost to Americans approaching $73 billion annually....twice the annual average of his predecessor George W. Bush. And much more regulation is on the way, with another 125 major rules on the Administration’s to-do list, including dozens linked to the Dodd–Frank financial regulation law and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare. http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/03/red-tape-rising-five-years-of-regulatory-expansion


9. . "...take-home pay for many American workers has effectively fallen since the economic recovery began in 2009, according to a new study by an advocacy group that is to be released on Thursday.

The declines were greatest for the lowest-paid workers in sectors where hiring has been strong — home health care, food preparation and retailing — even though wages were already below average to begin with in those service industries.

“Stagnant wages are a problem for everyone at this point, but the imbalance in the economy has become more pronounced since the recession,”..." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/b...rkers-see-biggest-drop-in-paychecks.html?_r=0


10. . "Obamacare health insurance co-ops surged past the $1 billion mark in losses this week, making history of sorts.The insolvencies, totaling $1.36 billion, mean that the co-ops have burned through more than half of the original $2 billion appropriated in 2010 for the program under the Affordable Care Act. The funds were loaned to the start-up co-ops in 2012 and were to be repaid in 15 years, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which manages Obamacare.


...13 of the 23 federally-financed Obamacare co-ops have officially failed in only two years. Most are in the process of default as insurance regulators attempt to pay customer’s medical bills, cover medical providers and pay other creditors.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/04/obamacare-co-op-mess-causes-1-3-billion-in-losses/#ixzz3qilfNWEW


11. Obama is the first President never to have had a year of 3% or better economic growth: "... annual growth during Obama’s “recovery” has never topped 3%. By comparison, it never fell below 3% during the Reagan recovery. And in the nine years following the 1990-91 recession, GDP grew faster than 3% in all but two. Heck, even Jimmy Carter had some strong growth years." http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/with-gdp-downgrade-obama-growth-gap-expands/

a. "The years since 2007 have been a macroeconomic disaster for the United States of a magnitude unprecedented since the Great Depression." http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/01/obama-always-wrong-never-in-doubt.php

b. ".... first president since Hoover to never have a single year above 3% GDP growth." http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/09/investing/hedge-fund-billionaire-defends-obama-chanos/



12. ".... calculating how much the debt increased during Obama's two terms. On January 20, 2009, when he was sworn in, the debt was $10.626 trillion. On January 20, 2017, it was $19.947 trillion. That's why most people say Obama added $9 trillion to the debt, more than any other president."
How Much Did Obama Add to the Nation's Debt?




Waiting....you dunce.

 

[Wry Catcher]

OK....the flagship of Liberalism, California....has their collective neck on the chopping block again....and I'm hoping that no federal savior comes to their rescue.

As usual, for Liberals, feeling passes for knowing.....and that means if it sounds good, the heck with the costs!
And by 'costs,' I mean redistribution from earners to....well, authorized 'victims.'



1. "$400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill
By Associated Press | May 23, 2017
A California bill that would eliminate health insurance companies and provide government-funded health coverage for everyone in the state...." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill

2. By 'everyone,' that means millions of illegal aliens who don't work, and don't contribute to what the Liberal eggheads claim will be the workplace taxes that will offset the $400 billion.

3. "...total healthcare costs would increase by an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion a year."
BTW......California: $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.
Think they're gonna be looking for a bailout? You betcha'!!!!!





4. "The concept known as single-payer has energized liberals who are pushing Democratic lawmakers to approve the measure."

5. ".....Medicare, Medicaid, federal public health funds and "Obamacare" subsidies. That's enough to cover about half of the $400 billion cost, according to the legislative analysis.

The rest would come from higher taxes on businesses, residents or both. It would take a 15% payroll tax to raise enough money, the analysis said."

And...when was the last time some Leftist boondoggle came in even near budget?????





6. ".... it would need cooperation from President Donald Trump's administration to waive rules about federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill



I almost wish Trump would give 'em the OK just so we could see Social Darwinism in action.




Question......must one start out stupid to be a Liberal....or do they do some sort of exorcism of common sense???

Doubt it will go anywhere, California already has a problem with insane taxation driving out inland business as well as residents, this would just make it far, far worse with the state becoming even more deeply bifurcated between the coastal haves and the inland have nots.

Of course with the radical gub'mint worshipers that run the State of California, who knows, maybe it will make it through in which case it'll be interesting to watch as the Golden State provides an abject lesson in the perils of single payer healthcare and exactly what happens when you run out of others peoples money to spend.

Do you know that California has the 6th largest economy in The World?
FYI:
Bay Area economy outpaces U.S., China

So what, this is a stupid plan that will increase Taxes in an exponential manner and wreak havoc on their economy. Only morons think that anyone can increase the TOTAL Budget by almost 3 times and maintain that it is a viable plan.

":....increase Taxes in an exponential manner and wreak havoc on their economy."

It is an essential element in the Democrat playbook.

The NYTimes on Obama:
But he did identify what he called “tactical lessons.” He let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend liberal Democrat.” The Education of President Obama



"Only morons think that anyone can increase the TOTAL Budget by almost 3 times and maintain that it is a viable plan."

Spelled 'DEMOCRAT"

Only fools and liars - your fans and you - fail to understand there are cost deficits and cost benefits attached to policies and budget decisions. I doubt you have any experience in budgeting, or have ever managed a budget.

For the moment, pretend you have an open mind and consider the costs and savings of the plan - not yet fully formed - which you mock.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Herein is link worth reading, on the cost benefits of preventative health care:

We Must Focus On Preventing Disease If We Want Our Nation To Thrive

 

[PoliticalChic]

OK....the flagship of Liberalism, California....has their collective neck on the chopping block again....and I'm hoping that no federal savior comes to their rescue.

As usual, for Liberals, feeling passes for knowing.....and that means if it sounds good, the heck with the costs!
And by 'costs,' I mean redistribution from earners to....well, authorized 'victims.'



1. "$400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill
By Associated Press | May 23, 2017
A California bill that would eliminate health insurance companies and provide government-funded health coverage for everyone in the state...." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill

2. By 'everyone,' that means millions of illegal aliens who don't work, and don't contribute to what the Liberal eggheads claim will be the workplace taxes that will offset the $400 billion.

3. "...total healthcare costs would increase by an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion a year."
BTW......California: $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.
Think they're gonna be looking for a bailout? You betcha'!!!!!





4. "The concept known as single-payer has energized liberals who are pushing Democratic lawmakers to approve the measure."

5. ".....Medicare, Medicaid, federal public health funds and "Obamacare" subsidies. That's enough to cover about half of the $400 billion cost, according to the legislative analysis.

The rest would come from higher taxes on businesses, residents or both. It would take a 15% payroll tax to raise enough money, the analysis said."

And...when was the last time some Leftist boondoggle came in even near budget?????





6. ".... it would need cooperation from President Donald Trump's administration to waive rules about federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill



I almost wish Trump would give 'em the OK just so we could see Social Darwinism in action.




Question......must one start out stupid to be a Liberal....or do they do some sort of exorcism of common sense???

Doubt it will go anywhere, California already has a problem with insane taxation driving out inland business as well as residents, this would just make it far, far worse with the state becoming even more deeply bifurcated between the coastal haves and the inland have nots.

Of course with the radical gub'mint worshipers that run the State of California, who knows, maybe it will make it through in which case it'll be interesting to watch as the Golden State provides an abject lesson in the perils of single payer healthcare and exactly what happens when you run out of others peoples money to spend.

Do you know that California has the 6th largest economy in The World?
FYI:
Bay Area economy outpaces U.S., China

So what, this is a stupid plan that will increase Taxes in an exponential manner and wreak havoc on their economy. Only morons think that anyone can increase the TOTAL Budget by almost 3 times and maintain that it is a viable plan.

":....increase Taxes in an exponential manner and wreak havoc on their economy."

It is an essential element in the Democrat playbook.

The NYTimes on Obama:
But he did identify what he called “tactical lessons.” He let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend liberal Democrat.” The Education of President Obama



"Only morons think that anyone can increase the TOTAL Budget by almost 3 times and maintain that it is a viable plan."

Spelled 'DEMOCRAT"

Only fools and liars - your fans and you - fail to understand there are cost deficits and cost benefits attached to policies and budget decisions. I doubt you have any experience in budgeting, or have ever managed a budget.

For the moment, pretend you have an open mind and consider the costs and savings of the plan - not yet fully formed - which you mock.

Sooo.....you're retracting this?
"anything posted by PoliticalChic is suspect, her facts, figures, and conclusions should never be trusted,"


Another victory for the Right!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Herein is link worth reading, on the cost benefits of preventative health care:

We Must Focus On Preventing Disease If We Want Our Nation To Thrive

Soooo....not a single error here?

1... in today’s recovery — the slowest in the modern era going back to 1947 — private capital investment has lagged badly. ... so has the jobs situation, with 92 million dropping out of the workforce altogether. A labor-participation rate of 62.8% and an employment-to-population rate of 58% are historic lows indicative of the anemic jobs recovery. Big Business Swings Behind a Mantra of Growth - The New York Sun


2. Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama
Tavis Smiley: 'Black People Will Have Lost Ground in Every Single Economic Indicator' Under Obama


3. . "Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession
. ...the Census Bureau's Current Population Survey ....indicate that the real (inflation-adjusted) median annual household income in America has fallen by 4.4 percent during the "recovery," after having fallen by 1.8 during the recession.
Incomes Have Dropped Twice as Much During the 'Recovery' as During the Recession


4. . In a stunning Tuesday report, Gallup CEO and Chairman Jim Clifton revealed that “for the first time in 35 years, American business deaths now outnumber business births.”Clifton says for the past six years since 2008, employer business startups have fallen below the business failure rate, spurring what he calls “an underground earthquake” that only stands to worsen as lagging U.S. Census data becomes available.
“Let’s get one thing clear: This economy is never truly coming back unless we reverse the birth and death trends of American businesses,” writes Clifton." Economic Death Spiral: More American Businesses Dying Than Starting - Breitbart


5. "Surprise: U.S. Economic Data Have Been the World's Most Disappointing
It's not only the just-released University of Michigan consumer confidence report and February retail sales on Thursday that surprised economists and investors with another dose of underwhelming news. Overall, U.S. economic data have been falling short of prognosticators' expectations by the most in six years." Surprise: U.S. Economic Data Have Been the World's Most Disappointing

6. . "That basic math is why middle class incomes have been in decline under Obama. The Census Bureau reports that since Obama became President 7 years ago, real median household income has fallen by $1,300 a year. Heritage Foundation Chief Economist Steve Moore explained in testimony before the Ways and Means Committee, “At 2 percent growth the economy doesn’t spin off enough jobs to increase wages, and tax revenues grow much too slowly to balance the budget.”
The recession officially ended more than 6 years ago. Wages and incomes have always grown in recoveries, not declined. Moreover, the American historical record is the deeper the recession, the stronger the recovery. The economy is supposed to boom in a recovery to catch up with its long term economic growth trendline. But over 6 years after the recession ended, that still has not happened. Instead, what we have gotten under President Obama is the worst recovery from a recession since the Great Depression." Realizing The Super Bowl Of American Economic Growth



7. "Even if you leave out the first quarter of 2009—when the recession that started in December 2007 was still ongoing--President Barack Obama has presided over the lowest average first-quarter GDP growth of any president who has served since 1947, which is the earliest year for which the Bureau of Economic Analysis has calculated quarterly GDP growth. " http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/terence...-obama-has-lowest-average-1stq-gdp-growth-any


8. The Obama Administration is aggressively exploiting regulation to achieve its policy agenda, issuing 157 new major rules at a cost to Americans approaching $73 billion annually....twice the annual average of his predecessor George W. Bush. And much more regulation is on the way, with another 125 major rules on the Administration’s to-do list, including dozens linked to the Dodd–Frank financial regulation law and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare. Red Tape Rising: Five Years of Regulatory Expansion


9. . "...take-home pay for many American workers has effectively fallen since the economic recovery began in 2009, according to a new study by an advocacy group that is to be released on Thursday.

The declines were greatest for the lowest-paid workers in sectors where hiring has been strong — home health care, food preparation and retailing — even though wages were already below average to begin with in those service industries.

“Stagnant wages are a problem for everyone at this point, but the imbalance in the economy has become more pronounced since the recession,”..." http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/b...rkers-see-biggest-drop-in-paychecks.html?_r=0


10. . "Obamacare health insurance co-ops surged past the $1 billion mark in losses this week, making history of sorts.The insolvencies, totaling $1.36 billion, mean that the co-ops have burned through more than half of the original $2 billion appropriated in 2010 for the program under the Affordable Care Act. The funds were loaned to the start-up co-ops in 2012 and were to be repaid in 15 years, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which manages Obamacare.


...13 of the 23 federally-financed Obamacare co-ops have officially failed in only two years. Most are in the process of default as insurance regulators attempt to pay customer’s medical bills, cover medical providers and pay other creditors.
Obamacare Co-Op Mess Causes $1.3 Billion In Losses


11. Obama is the first President never to have had a year of 3% or better economic growth: "... annual growth during Obama’s “recovery” has never topped 3%. By comparison, it never fell below 3% during the Reagan recovery. And in the nine years following the 1990-91 recession, GDP grew faster than 3% in all but two. Heck, even Jimmy Carter had some strong growth years." http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/with-gdp-downgrade-obama-growth-gap-expands/

a. "The years since 2007 have been a macroeconomic disaster for the United States of a magnitude unprecedented since the Great Depression." Obama: Always Wrong, Never In Doubt

b. ".... first president since Hoover to never have a single year above 3% GDP growth."http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/09/investing/hedge-fund-billionaire-defends-obama-chanos/



12. ".... calculating how much the debt increased during Obama's two terms. On January 20, 2009, when he was sworn in, the debt was $10.626 trillion. On January 20, 2017, it was $19.947 trillion. That's why most people say Obama added $9 trillion to the debt, more than any other president."
How Much Did Obama Add to the Nation's Debt?


I win again?

 

[NightFox]

OK....the flagship of Liberalism, California....has their collective neck on the chopping block again....and I'm hoping that no federal savior comes to their rescue.

As usual, for Liberals, feeling passes for knowing.....and that means if it sounds good, the heck with the costs!
And by 'costs,' I mean redistribution from earners to....well, authorized 'victims.'



1. "$400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill
By Associated Press | May 23, 2017
A California bill that would eliminate health insurance companies and provide government-funded health coverage for everyone in the state...." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill

2. By 'everyone,' that means millions of illegal aliens who don't work, and don't contribute to what the Liberal eggheads claim will be the workplace taxes that will offset the $400 billion.

3. "...total healthcare costs would increase by an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion a year."
BTW......California: $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.
Think they're gonna be looking for a bailout? You betcha'!!!!!





4. "The concept known as single-payer has energized liberals who are pushing Democratic lawmakers to approve the measure."

5. ".....Medicare, Medicaid, federal public health funds and "Obamacare" subsidies. That's enough to cover about half of the $400 billion cost, according to the legislative analysis.

The rest would come from higher taxes on businesses, residents or both. It would take a 15% payroll tax to raise enough money, the analysis said."

And...when was the last time some Leftist boondoggle came in even near budget?????





6. ".... it would need cooperation from President Donald Trump's administration to waive rules about federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill



I almost wish Trump would give 'em the OK just so we could see Social Darwinism in action.




Question......must one start out stupid to be a Liberal....or do they do some sort of exorcism of common sense???

Doubt it will go anywhere, California already has a problem with insane taxation driving out inland business as well as residents, this would just make it far, far worse with the state becoming even more deeply bifurcated between the coastal haves and the inland have nots.

Of course with the radical gub'mint worshipers that run the State of California, who knows, maybe it will make it through in which case it'll be interesting to watch as the Golden State provides an abject lesson in the perils of single payer healthcare and exactly what happens when you run out of others peoples money to spend.

Do you know that California has the 6th largest economy in The World?
FYI:
Bay Area economy outpaces U.S., China

Yeah and apparently the monkey's that run the state are hoping to turn it into something much farther down the list.

Now that we're done playing non sequitur trivial pursuit, we can get back to something relevant.

I suggest you explain your use of "non sequitur". If directed at my post, it's pretty clear you have no idea what non sequitur means.

Non sequitur : an inference that doesn't logically follow the premise e.g. when someone brings up tax rates and how it's causing regional bifurcation of living standards and then another someone brings up the global economy size rankings.

Any other phrases you need help with today?

You're welcome.

 

[NightFox]

Sooo.....you're retracting this?
"anything posted by PoliticalChic is suspect, her facts, figures, and conclusions should never be trusted,"

LOL, it can't retract it, ad hominem is all it has and all it ever has, if it started retracting that it would have nothing to say and would quickly perish from attention starvation.

 

[Doc1]

OK....the flagship of Liberalism, California....has their collective neck on the chopping block again....and I'm hoping that no federal savior comes to their rescue.

As usual, for Liberals, feeling passes for knowing.....and that means if it sounds good, the heck with the costs!
And by 'costs,' I mean redistribution from earners to....well, authorized 'victims.'



1. "$400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill
By Associated Press | May 23, 2017
A California bill that would eliminate health insurance companies and provide government-funded health coverage for everyone in the state...." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill

2. By 'everyone,' that means millions of illegal aliens who don't work, and don't contribute to what the Liberal eggheads claim will be the workplace taxes that will offset the $400 billion.

3. "...total healthcare costs would increase by an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion a year."
BTW......California: $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.
Think they're gonna be looking for a bailout? You betcha'!!!!!





4. "The concept known as single-payer has energized liberals who are pushing Democratic lawmakers to approve the measure."

5. ".....Medicare, Medicaid, federal public health funds and "Obamacare" subsidies. That's enough to cover about half of the $400 billion cost, according to the legislative analysis.

The rest would come from higher taxes on businesses, residents or both. It would take a 15% payroll tax to raise enough money, the analysis said."

And...when was the last time some Leftist boondoggle came in even near budget?????





6. ".... it would need cooperation from President Donald Trump's administration to waive rules about federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill



I almost wish Trump would give 'em the OK just so we could see Social Darwinism in action.




Question......must one start out stupid to be a Liberal....or do they do some sort of exorcism of common sense???

Doubt it will go anywhere, California already has a problem with insane taxation driving out inland business as well as residents, this would just make it far, far worse with the state becoming even more deeply bifurcated between the coastal haves and the inland have nots.

Of course with the radical gub'mint worshipers that run the State of California, who knows, maybe it will make it through in which case it'll be interesting to watch as the Golden State provides an abject lesson in the perils of single payer healthcare and exactly what happens when you run out of others peoples money to spend.

Do you know that California has the 6th largest economy in The World?
FYI:
Bay Area economy outpaces U.S., China

So what, this is a stupid plan that will increase Taxes in an exponential manner and wreak havoc on their economy. Only morons think that anyone can increase the TOTAL Budget by almost 3 times and maintain that it is a viable plan.

":....increase Taxes in an exponential manner and wreak havoc on their economy."

It is an essential element in the Democrat playbook.

The NYTimes on Obama:
But he did identify what he called “tactical lessons.” He let himself look too much like “the same old tax-and-spend liberal Democrat.” The Education of President Obama



"Only morons think that anyone can increase the TOTAL Budget by almost 3 times and maintain that it is a viable plan."

Spelled 'DEMOCRAT"

Only fools and liars - your fans and you - fail to understand there are cost deficits and cost benefits attached to policies and budget decisions. I doubt you have any experience in budgeting, or have ever managed a budget.

For the moment, pretend you have an open mind and consider the costs and savings of the plan - not yet fully formed - which you mock.

This assumes that a "cost benefit" is okie dokie no mater what it cats, that is silly. It doesn't matter WHAT the "benefit" might be if you can't afford it.

 

[bripat9643]

I doubt the LWNJ's that have destroyed California will be able to pass this. At least not now. They'll have to paper over some debt first......

That's too bad. It would have provided an invaluable object lesson for all the snowflakes.

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[Thinker101]

OK....the flagship of Liberalism, California....has their collective neck on the chopping block again....and I'm hoping that no federal savior comes to their rescue.

As usual, for Liberals, feeling passes for knowing.....and that means if it sounds good, the heck with the costs!
And by 'costs,' I mean redistribution from earners to....well, authorized 'victims.'



1. "$400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill
By Associated Press | May 23, 2017
A California bill that would eliminate health insurance companies and provide government-funded health coverage for everyone in the state...." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill

2. By 'everyone,' that means millions of illegal aliens who don't work, and don't contribute to what the Liberal eggheads claim will be the workplace taxes that will offset the $400 billion.

3. "...total healthcare costs would increase by an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion a year."
BTW......California: $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.
Think they're gonna be looking for a bailout? You betcha'!!!!!





4. "The concept known as single-payer has energized liberals who are pushing Democratic lawmakers to approve the measure."

5. ".....Medicare, Medicaid, federal public health funds and "Obamacare" subsidies. That's enough to cover about half of the $400 billion cost, according to the legislative analysis.

The rest would come from higher taxes on businesses, residents or both. It would take a 15% payroll tax to raise enough money, the analysis said."

And...when was the last time some Leftist boondoggle came in even near budget?????





6. ".... it would need cooperation from President Donald Trump's administration to waive rules about federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill



I almost wish Trump would give 'em the OK just so we could see Social Darwinism in action.




Question......must one start out stupid to be a Liberal....or do they do some sort of exorcism of common sense???

Doubt it will go anywhere, California already has a problem with insane taxation driving out inland business as well as residents, this would just make it far, far worse with the state becoming even more deeply bifurcated between the coastal haves and the inland have nots.

Of course with the radical gub'mint worshipers that run the State of California, who knows, maybe it will make it through in which case it'll be interesting to watch as the Golden State provides an abject lesson in the perils of single payer healthcare and exactly what happens when you run out of others peoples money to spend.

Do you know that California has the 6th largest economy in The World?
FYI:
Bay Area economy outpaces U.S., China

So what, this is a stupid plan that will increase Taxes in an exponential manner and wreak havoc on their economy. Only morons think that anyone can increase the TOTAL Budget by almost 3 times and maintain that it is a viable plan.

Didn't Obama make a similar increase...oh wait, he's a moron too.

 

[Votto]

OK....the flagship of Liberalism, California....has their collective neck on the chopping block again....and I'm hoping that no federal savior comes to their rescue.

As usual, for Liberals, feeling passes for knowing.....and that means if it sounds good, the heck with the costs!
And by 'costs,' I mean redistribution from earners to....well, authorized 'victims.'



1. "$400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill
By Associated Press | May 23, 2017
A California bill that would eliminate health insurance companies and provide government-funded health coverage for everyone in the state...." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill

2. By 'everyone,' that means millions of illegal aliens who don't work, and don't contribute to what the Liberal eggheads claim will be the workplace taxes that will offset the $400 billion.

3. "...total healthcare costs would increase by an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion a year."
BTW......California: $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.
Think they're gonna be looking for a bailout? You betcha'!!!!!





4. "The concept known as single-payer has energized liberals who are pushing Democratic lawmakers to approve the measure."

5. ".....Medicare, Medicaid, federal public health funds and "Obamacare" subsidies. That's enough to cover about half of the $400 billion cost, according to the legislative analysis.

The rest would come from higher taxes on businesses, residents or both. It would take a 15% payroll tax to raise enough money, the analysis said."

Isn't this the cornerstone of Liberalism: workers and employers pay an additional 15% tax so illegals can have insurance....and they don't pay any of that 15% 'cause they're not on the books.

But....heck, they do vote Democrat.

And...when was the last time some Leftist boondoggle came in even near budget?????





6. ".... it would need cooperation from President Donald Trump's administration to waive rules about federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill



I almost wish Trump would give 'em the OK just so we could see Social Darwinism in action.




Question......must one start out stupid to be a Liberal....or do they do some sort of exorcism of common sense???

This is great news!

I've always advocated states deciding their own health care, among other things.

Liberal states should be allowed to seek liberal policies, all 8 of them, and the rest can pursue conservative policies.

In the end, see which ones work best instead of forcing half the nation each election cycle to want to leave the Union.

Of course, Dims will only push to force the rest of the country to do their bidding, and will never stop.

 

[Doc1]

OK....the flagship of Liberalism, California....has their collective neck on the chopping block again....and I'm hoping that no federal savior comes to their rescue.

As usual, for Liberals, feeling passes for knowing.....and that means if it sounds good, the heck with the costs!
And by 'costs,' I mean redistribution from earners to....well, authorized 'victims.'



1. "$400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill
By Associated Press | May 23, 2017
A California bill that would eliminate health insurance companies and provide government-funded health coverage for everyone in the state...." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill

2. By 'everyone,' that means millions of illegal aliens who don't work, and don't contribute to what the Liberal eggheads claim will be the workplace taxes that will offset the $400 billion.

3. "...total healthcare costs would increase by an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion a year."
BTW......California: $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.
Think they're gonna be looking for a bailout? You betcha'!!!!!





4. "The concept known as single-payer has energized liberals who are pushing Democratic lawmakers to approve the measure."

5. ".....Medicare, Medicaid, federal public health funds and "Obamacare" subsidies. That's enough to cover about half of the $400 billion cost, according to the legislative analysis.

The rest would come from higher taxes on businesses, residents or both. It would take a 15% payroll tax to raise enough money, the analysis said."

And...when was the last time some Leftist boondoggle came in even near budget?????





6. ".... it would need cooperation from President Donald Trump's administration to waive rules about federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill



I almost wish Trump would give 'em the OK just so we could see Social Darwinism in action.




Question......must one start out stupid to be a Liberal....or do they do some sort of exorcism of common sense???

Doubt it will go anywhere, California already has a problem with insane taxation driving out inland business as well as residents, this would just make it far, far worse with the state becoming even more deeply bifurcated between the coastal haves and the inland have nots.

Of course with the radical gub'mint worshipers that run the State of California, who knows, maybe it will make it through in which case it'll be interesting to watch as the Golden State provides an abject lesson in the perils of single payer healthcare and exactly what happens when you run out of others peoples money to spend.

Do you know that California has the 6th largest economy in The World?
FYI:
Bay Area economy outpaces U.S., China

So what, this is a stupid plan that will increase Taxes in an exponential manner and wreak havoc on their economy. Only morons think that anyone can increase the TOTAL Budget by almost 3 times and maintain that it is a viable plan.

Didn't Obama make a similar increase...oh wait, he's a moron too.

Yes he is , but then like them all they just do what their told.

 

[PoliticalChic]

OK....the flagship of Liberalism, California....has their collective neck on the chopping block again....and I'm hoping that no federal savior comes to their rescue.

As usual, for Liberals, feeling passes for knowing.....and that means if it sounds good, the heck with the costs!
And by 'costs,' I mean redistribution from earners to....well, authorized 'victims.'



1. "$400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill
By Associated Press | May 23, 2017
A California bill that would eliminate health insurance companies and provide government-funded health coverage for everyone in the state...." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill

2. By 'everyone,' that means millions of illegal aliens who don't work, and don't contribute to what the Liberal eggheads claim will be the workplace taxes that will offset the $400 billion.

3. "...total healthcare costs would increase by an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion a year."
BTW......California: $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.
Think they're gonna be looking for a bailout? You betcha'!!!!!





4. "The concept known as single-payer has energized liberals who are pushing Democratic lawmakers to approve the measure."

5. ".....Medicare, Medicaid, federal public health funds and "Obamacare" subsidies. That's enough to cover about half of the $400 billion cost, according to the legislative analysis.

The rest would come from higher taxes on businesses, residents or both. It would take a 15% payroll tax to raise enough money, the analysis said."

Isn't this the cornerstone of Liberalism: workers and employers pay an additional 15% tax so illegals can have insurance....and they don't pay any of that 15% 'cause they're not on the books.

But....heck, they do vote Democrat.

And...when was the last time some Leftist boondoggle came in even near budget?????





6. ".... it would need cooperation from President Donald Trump's administration to waive rules about federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill



I almost wish Trump would give 'em the OK just so we could see Social Darwinism in action.




Question......must one start out stupid to be a Liberal....or do they do some sort of exorcism of common sense???

This is great news!

I've always advocated states deciding their own health care, among other things.

Liberal states should be allowed to seek liberal policies, all 8 of them, and the rest can pursue conservative policies.

In the end, see which ones work best instead of forcing half the nation each election cycle to want to leave the Union.

Of course, Dims will only push to force the rest of the country to do their bidding, and will never stop.

......and demand a bailout when the chickens come home to roost.

 

[Votto]

OK....the flagship of Liberalism, California....has their collective neck on the chopping block again....and I'm hoping that no federal savior comes to their rescue.

As usual, for Liberals, feeling passes for knowing.....and that means if it sounds good, the heck with the costs!
And by 'costs,' I mean redistribution from earners to....well, authorized 'victims.'



1. "$400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill
By Associated Press | May 23, 2017
A California bill that would eliminate health insurance companies and provide government-funded health coverage for everyone in the state...." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill

2. By 'everyone,' that means millions of illegal aliens who don't work, and don't contribute to what the Liberal eggheads claim will be the workplace taxes that will offset the $400 billion.

3. "...total healthcare costs would increase by an estimated $50 billion to $100 billion a year."
BTW......California: $2,702.3 (in billions of debt)
Compare Debt By State for 2017 - Charts

Hightest debt total in the country.
Think they're gonna be looking for a bailout? You betcha'!!!!!





4. "The concept known as single-payer has energized liberals who are pushing Democratic lawmakers to approve the measure."

5. ".....Medicare, Medicaid, federal public health funds and "Obamacare" subsidies. That's enough to cover about half of the $400 billion cost, according to the legislative analysis.

The rest would come from higher taxes on businesses, residents or both. It would take a 15% payroll tax to raise enough money, the analysis said."

Isn't this the cornerstone of Liberalism: workers and employers pay an additional 15% tax so illegals can have insurance....and they don't pay any of that 15% 'cause they're not on the books.

But....heck, they do vote Democrat.

And...when was the last time some Leftist boondoggle came in even near budget?????





6. ".... it would need cooperation from President Donald Trump's administration to waive rules about federal Medicare and Medicaid dollars." $400 billion price tag for California single-payer bill



I almost wish Trump would give 'em the OK just so we could see Social Darwinism in action.




Question......must one start out stupid to be a Liberal....or do they do some sort of exorcism of common sense???

This is great news!

I've always advocated states deciding their own health care, among other things.

Liberal states should be allowed to seek liberal policies, all 8 of them, and the rest can pursue conservative policies.

In the end, see which ones work best instead of forcing half the nation each election cycle to want to leave the Union.

Of course, Dims will only push to force the rest of the country to do their bidding, and will never stop.

......and demand a bailout when the chickens come home to roost.

Therein lies the rub.

Dims will make the GOP buckle at the federal level, like they always do.

They will be pictured as killing little children in the streets.

In reality, California can't even fix their damns correctly enough, let alone run health care.

Instead, their revenue goes to sanctuary cities.