No 1st amendment in Tenn, pubs bully gays

[koshergrl]

You people are clueless, and as such aren't fit to determine how best to protect children.

See the states where the age difference is "not applicable".

Age of Consent & Statutory Rape Laws by State Reference. Compare reviews & ratings.

 

[koshergrl]

Idaho, for example:

"Intercourse with a female who is less than 18 years of age is illegal regardless of the age of the defendant. "

"One year to life in prison"

http://age-of-consent.findthedata.org/l/13/Idaho

Illinois:

"Criminal sexual abuse is sexual penetration with (1) an offender under age 17 and a victim between ages 9 and 17 or (2) a victim between ages 13 and 17 and an offender less than five years older."

"Up to one year in prison"

http://age-of-consent.findthedata.org/l/14/Illinois

Shall I go on? Continue to encourage 15 year olds to have sex by all means. I think the legal description for that activity is sex trafficking.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Any sexual activity, whether straight or gay, will be reported. Simply being gay is not a sexual activity. What this bill does is make teachers report kids "suspected" of being attracted to the same gender. It's a witch hunt. Someone says "gay", and the teacher outs the kid and reports them to their parents. Do you have any idea how many kids would abuse this just to get back at someone they don't like? This bill could ruin more lives than you think being gay does.

Teachers' insurance will not protect them from the bad effects if such a bill is passed and a teacher has to become the gay police, and then something bad happens from the teacher doing his "duty". This is bad legislation.

True that.

I can see a lot of potential law suits resulting from legislation like this.

We have the power and growing in numbers to keep the reactionaries and social values far right from passing hateful legislation. They must be punished at every opportunity.

 

[Papageorgio]

Fisk is also highly rated, they sit at #5.

I believe Fisk is at #5 and has been as high as #2 amongst historically black universities and is in the top 100 of all universities. WE Dubois was a graduate. Also, Ivy League have always looked to Fisk for their graduate students be it affirmative action or not. Dates back 100 years.
I went to military school in TN in the 60s and received an excellent education. Relatives attended Sewanee in 60s and 70s as my father taught there before we moved to north Atlanta in the late 60s where Dad taught at Emory.

There are plenty of state universities better than Swanee. You are the one with the bias. Like I said, North Carolina has been colleges than Tennessee.

This is why I don't argue with stupid people, they can't follow a simple conversation and can't remember what they post or mean or spell. I can tell Dubya never went to a college, I doubt he made it out of high school.

 

[Seawytch]

Any illegal activity, particularly illegal sexual activity amongst children, should be prevented, when possible.

I take it you don't agree.

Any sexual activity, whether straight or gay, will be reported. Simply being gay is not a sexual activity. What this bill does is make teachers report kids "suspected" of being attracted to the same gender. It's a witch hunt. Someone says "gay", and the teacher outs the kid and reports them to their parents. Do you have any idea how many kids would abuse this just to get back at someone they don't like? This bill could ruin more lives than you think being gay does.

Actually, no. There you go with the hyperbole you hate again.

It's not a witch hunt to report children's sexual orientation to a child's parents. Parents need to be aware of any sexual activity of their children, particularly if it's activity that could result in a child being targeted or killed.

You work off the assumption that all parents of gay children are abusive monsters, and children must be protected FROM their parents. That's ridiculous, and it's not the job of school employees to do that. It IS the job of the school to make sure that parents are informed and up to speed on their child's behavior at school.

What you are missing is that NO SEXUAL ACTIVITY needs to have occurred for the teacher or counselor to turn them in to their parents.

Enough parents ARE abusive to their gay kids for it to be something for the child to disclose not a third party. They know their parents best, don't you think?

Sex on school grounds is required to be reported. Different issue entirely.

 

[koshergrl]

Teachers' insurance will not protect them from the bad effects if such a bill is passed and a teacher has to become the gay police, and then something bad happens from the teacher doing his "duty". This is bad legislation.

True that.

I can see a lot of potential law suits resulting from legislation like this.

We have the power and growing in numbers to keep the reactionaries and social values far right from passing hateful legislation. They must be punished at every opportunity.

^^^^That's a threat.

 

[koshergrl]

Check out Massachusetts:

"Criminal inducement to get a person under age 18 of chaste life to have unlawful sexual intercourse"

Ruh roh...

"Age Of Consent This is the age at which an individual can legally consent to sexual intercourse under any circumstances.


16Minimum Age of Victim This is the age below which an individual cannot consent to sexual intercourse under any circumstances.


16Age Differential Between Victim And Defendant If the victim is above the minimum age and below the age of consent, the age differential is the maximum difference in age between the victim and the defendant where an individual can legally consent to sexual intercourse.


Not ApplicableMinimum Age of Defendant to Prosecute This is the age below which an individual cannot be prosecuted for engaging in sexual activities with minors. The table notes those states in which this law only applies when the victim is above a certain age.


Not ApplicableStatutory Rape Summary Summary of the various statutory rape offenses for this state.


Criminal inducement to get a person under age 18 of chaste life to have unlawful sexual intercourseStatutory Rape Law272 § 4Statutory Rape Penalties Summary of statutory rape penalties for this state.


Up to three years in prison or up to two and one-half years in jail"

Massachusetts Age of Consent - Age of Consent & Statutory Rape Laws by State

 

[ArmyCowboy]

True that.

I can see a lot of potential law suits resulting from legislation like this.

We have the power and growing in numbers to keep the reactionaries and social values far right from passing hateful legislation. They must be punished at every opportunity.

^^^^That's a threat.

Oh, the drama.

 

[Seawytch]

You people are clueless, and as such aren't fit to determine how best to protect children.

See the states where the age difference is "not applicable".

Age of Consent & Statutory Rape Laws by State Reference. Compare reviews & ratings.

Those are adults and children.

Teenage couples before either participant has reached the age of consent, or after one has but the other has not, may engage in consensual sexual conduct as part of an intimate relationship.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/romeo-and-juliet-law/

 

[Papageorgio]

So what should be the age of consent in any relationship?

 

[koshergrl]

Any sexual activity, whether straight or gay, will be reported. Simply being gay is not a sexual activity. What this bill does is make teachers report kids "suspected" of being attracted to the same gender. It's a witch hunt. Someone says "gay", and the teacher outs the kid and reports them to their parents. Do you have any idea how many kids would abuse this just to get back at someone they don't like? This bill could ruin more lives than you think being gay does.

Actually, no. There you go with the hyperbole you hate again.

It's not a witch hunt to report children's sexual orientation to a child's parents. Parents need to be aware of any sexual activity of their children, particularly if it's activity that could result in a child being targeted or killed.

You work off the assumption that all parents of gay children are abusive monsters, and children must be protected FROM their parents. That's ridiculous, and it's not the job of school employees to do that. It IS the job of the school to make sure that parents are informed and up to speed on their child's behavior at school.

What you are missing is that NO SEXUAL ACTIVITY needs to have occurred for the teacher or counselor to turn them in to their parents.

Enough parents ARE abusive to their gay kids for it to be something for the child to disclose not a third party. They know their parents best, don't you think?

Sex on school grounds is required tone reported. Different issue entirely.

What you are missing is that the parents have a right to know of any behavior that their child exhibits that can make them a target.

If the parents are abusive, the school should be reporting them. If they aren't, and they are still withholding information, then their motives are suspect...cultivating a relationship built on *secrets* is the hallmark of abusers who are grooming their victims.

 

[Seawytch]

Actually, no. There you go with the hyperbole you hate again.

It's not a witch hunt to report children's sexual orientation to a child's parents. Parents need to be aware of any sexual activity of their children, particularly if it's activity that could result in a child being targeted or killed.

You work off the assumption that all parents of gay children are abusive monsters, and children must be protected FROM their parents. That's ridiculous, and it's not the job of school employees to do that. It IS the job of the school to make sure that parents are informed and up to speed on their child's behavior at school.

What you are missing is that NO SEXUAL ACTIVITY needs to have occurred for the teacher or counselor to turn them in to their parents.

Enough parents ARE abusive to their gay kids for it to be something for the child to disclose not a third party. They know their parents best, don't you think?

Sex on school grounds is required tone reported. Different issue entirely.

What you are missing is that the parents have a right to know of any behavior that their child exhibits that can make them a target.

We disagree. I've had too many of my friends thrown from their homes as a teen.

If the parents are abusive, the school should be reporting them. If they aren't, and they are still withholding information, then their motives are suspect...cultivating a relationship built on *secrets* is the hallmark of abusers who are grooming their victims.

Oh stop. Coming out is a personal decision that must be left to the individual. Lindsay Graham included.

 

[AmyNation]

So what should be the age of consent in any relationship?

The law gets involved when its a minor and an adult. It's a parental issue when it's two minors. I think that's just fine. I wouldn't want an angry mom having my 15 year old hauled off in cuffs because she found out he's having sex with her 15 year old.

 

[Seawytch]

So what should be the age of consent in any relationship?

It's a states rights issue. I'd make it 18 in all states with a Romeo & Juliet exception.

 

[koshergrl]

You people are clueless, and as such aren't fit to determine how best to protect children.

See the states where the age difference is "not applicable".

Age of Consent & Statutory Rape Laws by State Reference. Compare reviews & ratings.

Those are adults and children.

Teenage couples before either participant has reached the age of consent, or after one has but the other has not, may engage in consensual sexual conduct as part of an intimate relationship.

Romeo and Juliet Law Law & Legal Definition

No, they aren't. A large percentage of states say the age difference is not applicable (so there doesn't have to be a minimum age difference) and there is no minimum age to prosecute. These are specific to cases where both are underage.
"Minimum Age of Defendant to Prosecute This is the age below which an individual cannot be prosecuted for engaging in sexual activities with minors. .....Not Applicable


NotesIt is illegal to engage in a sexual penetration with someone who is less than 16 years of age.
...
Statutory Rape Summary Summary of the various statutory rape offenses for this state.

Third-degree criminal sexual conduct is sexual penetration with someone between age 13 and 16.Statutory Rape Law§ 750. 520b et seq.Statutory Rape Penalties Summary of statutory rape penalties for this state.

Up to life in prison

Up to 15 years in prison

Michigan Age of Consent - Age of Consent & Statutory Rape Laws by State

By the way, your selective quote is highly dishonest. This is the context of it:

"Teenage couples before either participant has reached the age of consent, or after one has but the other has not, may engage in consensual sexual conduct as part of an intimate relationship. In such cases, the older of the two participants is technically guilty of rape as any consent between partners, even if freely given, does not meet the standard of law as it is given by a minor. "

"May" engage in consensual sexual conduct does not imply it's legal or imply permission...it's simply stating that kids may engage in sex, which is ILLEGAL, as stated in the next sentence.

And SOME states have developed laws which take that into account and will reduce the criminality/sentencing.....but very few will remove the crime altogether. It's just a way to keep kids out of prison. It isn't an *in* for progressives to *legally* promote sex between children. IT'S STILL ILLEGAL.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/romeo-and-juliet-law/

 

[Wacky Quacky]

Any illegal activity, particularly illegal sexual activity amongst children, should be prevented, when possible.

I take it you don't agree.

Any sexual activity, whether straight or gay, will be reported. Simply being gay is not a sexual activity. What this bill does is make teachers report kids "suspected" of being attracted to the same gender. It's a witch hunt. Someone says "gay", and the teacher outs the kid and reports them to their parents. Do you have any idea how many kids would abuse this just to get back at someone they don't like? This bill could ruin more lives than you think being gay does.

Actually, no. There you go with the hyperbole you hate again.

It's not a witch hunt to report children's sexual orientation to a child's parents. Parents need to be aware of any sexual activity of their children, particularly if it's activity that could result in a child being targeted or killed.

You work off the assumption that all parents of gay children are abusive monsters, and children must be protected FROM their parents. That's ridiculous, and it's not the job of school employees to do that. It IS the job of the school to make sure that parents are informed and up to speed on their child's behavior at school.

I made no such assumption. This bill could ruin a kid's life by potentially labeling someone gay, who isn't. A teacher cannot accurately judge a kid's sexual orientation. They can make assumptions based on stereotypes, but that's it. And what if a student, who has a grudge against another student, informs a teacher that someone is gay.

As far as being targeted for hate crimes. Maybe people like you should just stop hating. Wouldn't that be the easier option?

 

[Seawytch]

Any sexual activity, whether straight or gay, will be reported. Simply being gay is not a sexual activity. What this bill does is make teachers report kids "suspected" of being attracted to the same gender. It's a witch hunt. Someone says "gay", and the teacher outs the kid and reports them to their parents. Do you have any idea how many kids would abuse this just to get back at someone they don't like? This bill could ruin more lives than you think being gay does.

Actually, no. There you go with the hyperbole you hate again.

It's not a witch hunt to report children's sexual orientation to a child's parents. Parents need to be aware of any sexual activity of their children, particularly if it's activity that could result in a child being targeted or killed.

You work off the assumption that all parents of gay children are abusive monsters, and children must be protected FROM their parents. That's ridiculous, and it's not the job of school employees to do that. It IS the job of the school to make sure that parents are informed and up to speed on their child's behavior at school.

I made no such assumption. This bill could ruin a kid's life by potentially labeling someone gay, who isn't. A teacher cannot accurately judge a kid's sexual orientation. They can make assumptions based on stereotypes, but that's it. And what if a student, who has a grudge against another student, informs a teacher that someone is gay.

As far as being targeted for hate crimes. Maybe people like you should just stop hating. Wouldn't that be the easier option?

Beyond that, if a kid tells a school counselor they are gay, that is not information that needs to be reported to anyone.

 

[JakeStarkey]

We have the power and growing in numbers to keep the reactionaries and social values far right from passing hateful legislation. They must be punished at every opportunity.

^^^^That's a threat.

Oh, the drama.

Yup, the great majority of Americans, who simply despise reactionaries and social value cons, will punish you . . . at the polls.

Oh, the drama.

 

[Seawytch]

You people are clueless, and as such aren't fit to determine how best to protect children.

See the states where the age difference is "not applicable".

Age of Consent & Statutory Rape Laws by State Reference. Compare reviews & ratings.

Those are adults and children.

Teenage couples before either participant has reached the age of consent, or after one has but the other has not, may engage in consensual sexual conduct as part of an intimate relationship.

Romeo and Juliet Law Law & Legal Definition

No, they aren't. A large percentage of states say the age difference is not applicable (so there doesn't have to be a minimum age difference) and there is no minimum age to prosecute. These are specific to cases where both are underage.
"Minimum Age of Defendant to Prosecute This is the age below which an individual cannot be prosecuted for engaging in sexual activities with minors. .....Not Applicable


NotesIt is illegal to engage in a sexual penetration with someone who is less than 16 years of age.
...
Statutory Rape Summary Summary of the various statutory rape offenses for this state.

Third-degree criminal sexual conduct is sexual penetration with someone between age 13 and 16.Statutory Rape Law§ 750. 520b et seq.Statutory Rape Penalties Summary of statutory rape penalties for this state.

Up to life in prison

Up to 15 years in prison

Michigan Age of Consent - Age of Consent & Statutory Rape Laws by State

By the way, your selective quote is highly dishonest. This is the context of it:

"Teenage couples before either participant has reached the age of consent, or after one has but the other has not, may engage in consensual sexual conduct as part of an intimate relationship. In such cases, the older of the two participants is technically guilty of rape as any consent between partners, even if freely given, does not meet the standard of law as it is given by a minor. "

"May" engage in consensual sexual conduct does not imply it's legal or imply permission...it's simply stating that kids may engage in sex, which is ILLEGAL, as stated in the next sentence.

And SOME states have developed laws which take that into account and will reduce the criminality/sentencing.....but very few will remove the crime altogether. It's just a way to keep kids out of prison. It isn't an *in* for progressives to *legally* promote sex between children. IT'S STILL ILLEGAL.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/romeo-and-juliet-law/

From your link:

However, sexual contact with someone who is at least 13 years of age is legal under certain circumstances

 

[koshergrl]

So what should be the age of consent in any relationship?

The law gets involved when its a minor and an adult. It's a parental issue when it's two minors. I think that's just fine. I wouldn't want an angry mom having my 15 year old hauled off in cuffs because she found out he's having sex with her 15 year old.

No, it's NOT. And you are being highly irresponsible to keep stating that. Angry moms CAN have your 15 year old hauled off in cuffs if they report he's having sex with their 15 year old daughter.