Niki Haley proposes some common sense changes to Social Security. (will it hurt or help her?}

[Kilroy2]

If the rich don/t need it, then they should not cash the check or better yet donate it to charity.
Give it back to the government social security program and tell them they do not need it. Consider it a charity donation to the government.

Overhaul something that many people depend on is a risk

Sure if Haley is looking for money for her campaign then she right on target

 

[BluesLegend]

I think they need to add a "FUCK YOU" icon. That's the one I'd like to use here.

By all means explain why I should be working overtime to pay for your shit? Why I should have to pay double, triple into social security to get the same benefit as you? You can't. Grow a pair and admit you are a moocher who wants to take money others earned.

 

[Aldo Raine]

Who says they are? You?

I know a wealthy individual that receives his SS Check every Month and promptly donates it to Charity.

Socialist Security is known as "The Third Rail Of Politics." You don't even talk about it.

It can easily be fixed, all they gotta do is raise the Wage Threshold to One Million and not change the benefits. Solves everything.

But it makes too much sense so, there's that

Agreed, or get rid of the cap all together. And then, after a time the percentage could be lowered coming out of your check to perhaps 5.5%!

 

[BluesLegend]

If the rich don/t need it, then they should not cash the check or better yet donate it to charity.
Give it back to the government social security program and tell them they do not need it. Consider it a charity donation to the government.

Overhaul something that many people depend on is a risk

Sure if Haley is looking for money for her campaign then she right on target

3rd grade math students calculated that there's simply not enough 'rich' people to make any kind of a dent in the problem. It's pure propaganda and deflection away from the fact that government screwed the SS program up. Took trillions in SS contributions and spent it on other crap and now don't have the money to pay us back.

So they deflect to the 'rich', classic.

 

[BluesLegend]

Once again the mooching deadbeat masses DEFLECT to the 'rich' boogeyman, pathetic.

 

[JimH52]

Almost there, Nikki.

Leave the retirement age alone. The younger workers will be no haler and heartier now than those poor souls I see working now in their seventies.

Yes, remove the taxable income cap on SS wages and means test the payouts.

You will eat into Trump's group, and if he falls, you could be very well elected.

I will wager anyone here that the repubs are gonna shoot down taking a dime away from the 1%ers.

 

[JimH52]

If the rich don/t need it, then they should not cash the check or better yet donate it to charity.
Give it back to the government social security program and tell them they do not need it. Consider it a charity donation to the government.

Overhaul something that many people depend on is a risk

Sure if Haley is looking for money for her campaign then she right on target

You can expect trump to begin a campaign against Haley's ideas. He is counting on getting elected to stay out of jail.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Almost there, Nikki.

Leave the retirement age alone. The younger workers will be no haler and heartier now than those poor souls I see working now in their seventies.

Yes, remove the taxable income cap on SS wages and means test the payouts.

You will eat into Trump's group, and if he falls, you could be very well elected.

Much easier to return to the original parameters of social security, where you could collect starting a year after you died. Simply raise the age to collect to the average life expectancy, plus one.

 

[WorldWatcher]

1. Raise the 62 age to 64 for younger cohorts, and leave the 70 full retirement age where it is.

Just FYI...

Full Retirement Age is 67 for those born 1960 and later. 70 isn't FRA for anyone.

WW

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

3rd grade math students calculated that there's simply not enough 'rich' people to make any kind of a dent in the problem. It's pure propaganda and deflection away from the fact that government screwed the SS program up. Took trillions in SS contributions and spent it on other crap and now don't have the money to pay us back.

So they deflect to the 'rich', classic.

That was you doing the calculating and still got it wrong.

 

[Kilroy2]

You can expect trump to begin a campaign against Haley's ideas. He is counting on getting elected to stay out of jail.

yeah, he can't wait to pardon himself but if he was smart ( big if) he would make a deal with someone and throw his support behind that candidate. Then if the candidate won, he would them pardon Trump

Obviously Pence is not suitable because he can't be trusted.

 

[my2¢]

Raise or eliminate the earnings cap.

Problem solved.

That always made sense to me, even though it would have cost me in my working years.

The wife and I receive more than we need through our pensions and Social Security. Since I didn't want to deal with it, I've been donating some and giving a lot back to the government. Well, giving back in form of paying additional income tax by moving funds from my IRA to a Roth IRA, just enough to keep us within the 22% income tax bracket.

There sure wasn't much meat in that CNN article to comment on Haley.

 

[Independent thinker]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/05/politics/nikki-haley-social-security-medicare-reform/index.html

I have always wondered, "WHY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH ARE MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES RECEIVING SOCIAL SECURITY CHECKS?" Niki's plan makes sense, even though some of the details are wonky at this early stage. This has go to give her a leg up (pardon the pun) on the rest of the repub field...especially the insurrectionist named trump.

Tough question. Of course the leftists will run nonstop adds that she wants to take seniors' social security away.

 

[JimH52]

yeah, he can't wait to pardon himself but if he was smart ( big if) he would make a deal with someone and throw his support behind that candidate. Then if the candidate won, he would them pardon Trump

Obviously Pence is not suitable because he can't be trusted.

trump's ego will never allow him to support anyone else. But, you make a good point. If he were dedicated to the GOP, he will backour and throw his support behind Niki. She would be a sure thing in November 2024. But trump is a clinical Narcissist. He will never do that.

But, in all likelihood, he will be a convicted felon next summer. 57% of voters say they will not support him if he is convicted. The DC trail is going to take him down.

More than 50% of voters support disqualifying Trump from 2024 ballot if he is convicted of a crime: poll

The NewsNation and Decision Desk HQ survey released Monday found a 57% majority support disqualifying the 2024 Republican presidential primary front-runner, but the results broke sharply across par…

nypost.com

 

[JimH52]

Much easier to return to the original parameters of social security, where you could collect starting a year after you died. Simply raise the age to collect to the average life expectancy, plus one.

where you could collect starting a year after you died.

WHAT?​

 

[WorldWatcher]

For those that haven't figured it out yet, "raising the retirement age" isn't going to fix social security.

Why? It is premised on (A) raising the age to 70, and (B) exempting those over 50 from being impacted.

The SS shortfall is due to happen starting in 2034.
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Basic math.

• Haley won't become President until 2025.
• If if the legislation is passed the same year, that is 2025. If it take multiple years move the time back by that amount.
• If the law is passed in 2025, someone age those just under 50 (49 years, 364 days) won't start facing mandatory FRA at 70 until 2045.

That's 11 years AFTER the 2034 shortfall occurs before saving are realized in the reduced payment of benetis.

Raising the age to cut benefits to individuals isn't going to help.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Tough question. Of course the leftists will run nonstop adds that she wants to take seniors' social security away.

Take social security away? No.

Reduce benefits for those not grandfathered? Yes.

WW

 

[hadit]

It's remarkable how the GOP and its voters exist entirely to redistribute wealth from themselves and the rest of us to billionaire overlords

Well, you have the talking points right.

 

[Kilroy2]

trump's ego will never allow him to support anyone else. But, you make a good point. If he were dedicated to the GOP, he will backour and throw his support behind Niki. She would be a sure thing in November 2024. But trump is a clinical Narcissist. He will never do that.

But, in all likelihood, he will be a convicted felon next summer. 57% of voters say they will not support him if he is convicted. The DC trail is going to take him down.

More than 50% of voters support disqualifying Trump from 2024 ballot if he is convicted of a crime: poll

The NewsNation and Decision Desk HQ survey released Monday found a 57% majority support disqualifying the 2024 Republican presidential primary front-runner, but the results broke sharply across par…

nypost.com

Your right and the weird part of it is that he still has strong support When he gets convicted then it the deep state argument

 

[Vrenn]

I liked her when she was the UN Diplomat. Then when she left that job, she became a MAGAt Rumpster all the way. Then she changed from that to closet MAGAt Rumpster. At that point, her loyalty isn't for America, it's for the Party and Rump even if she never comes out and directly says it. And the more she speaks the less support that most of us can give her.

All four of the also rans are clowns in search of a car that only Rump has the keys to. Let's hope that a 3rd party or the Dems wake tfu and get a decent candidate.