Nike Pulls Betsy Ross Flag Sneaker After Colin Kaepernick Complains

[beagle9]

How many working people died before taking a dime?

You're right. It should have been implemented much sooner.

Well, what would help is if it wasn't a pure socialist program where as there is no decerning of careers in which people are graduating from (everyone is looked at in the same?). Different career fields should have different graduation dates wouldn't you think ???

Example: 55 should be the beginning or start of the graduation date period for the program to begin working for the citizen's let's say.

At 55 years old (in some careers), people would qualify earlier than others, and then in other types of careers they would have other graduation dates, and this would be all due to the variences and/or strenuous circumstances surrounding the various types of careers one is retiring from.

Otherwise should a logger be held to the same standard as say a secretary in the retirement dates aspect of such a program ?

Maybe the logger's percentage paid in could be slightly higher by percentage wise, otherwise as based upon a scale being set by career fields, than that of say a secretary's scale in order to justify the logger retiring earlier than the secretary who can easily go on into his or her 60th year working in that career field ??? Just ideas on how to make the thing more fair and workable for all involved.

Why is the program set up the way that it is, and this being without regard to the job titles of those working, and their years worked, their percentages paid in, and their dates set for retirement based upon the variations involved ??

I'm sure there are several details in the administration of the program that could be reconsidered, but that's just minor detail. The fact remains that it is the most popular program the US has ever had, it works extremely well, and it is pure socialism. Proof positive that the right's claim that socialism is always bad is pure bullshit.

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

America wants transparency, something they haven't been getting.

 

[jc456]

Well, what would help is if it wasn't a pure socialist program where as there is no decerning of careers in which people are graduating from (everyone is looked at in the same?). Different career fields should have different graduation dates wouldn't you think ???

Example: 55 should be the beginning or start of the graduation date period for the program to begin working for the citizen's let's say.

At 55 years old (in some careers), people would qualify earlier than others, and then in other types of careers they would have other graduation dates, and this would be all due to the variences and/or strenuous circumstances surrounding the various types of careers one is retiring from.

Otherwise should a logger be held to the same standard as say a secretary in the retirement dates aspect of such a program ?

Maybe the logger's percentage paid in could be slightly higher by percentage wise, otherwise as based upon a scale being set by career fields, than that of say a secretary's scale in order to justify the logger retiring earlier than the secretary who can easily go on into his or her 60th year working in that career field ??? Just ideas on how to make the thing more fair and workable for all involved.

Why is the program set up the way that it is, and this being without regard to the job titles of those working, and their years worked, their percentages paid in, and their dates set for retirement based upon the variations involved ??

I'm sure there are several details in the administration of the program that could be reconsidered, but that's just minor detail. The fact remains that it is the most popular program the US has ever had, it works extremely well, and it is pure socialism. Proof positive that the right's claim that socialism is always bad is pure bullshit.

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

They want it privately run! Invest into 401ks you’re against that obviously! You love socialism

Having both is ok too, just as long as the money isn't diverted to bad stuff when government is involved on the one side of it.

401k the only true path. Pensions are illegal

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm sure there are several details in the administration of the program that could be reconsidered, but that's just minor detail. The fact remains that it is the most popular program the US has ever had, it works extremely well, and it is pure socialism. Proof positive that the right's claim that socialism is always bad is pure bullshit.

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

They want it privately run! Invest into 401ks you’re against that obviously! You love socialism

Nope. You know better than that. The right has tried to privatize it lots of times only to experience abject failure every time.

I’m correct and you prove your socialist

You got a link to any success you might have had to privatize SS? I would love to see that.

 

[BULLDOG]

You're right. It should have been implemented much sooner.

Well, what would help is if it wasn't a pure socialist program where as there is no decerning of careers in which people are graduating from (everyone is looked at in the same?). Different career fields should have different graduation dates wouldn't you think ???

Example: 55 should be the beginning or start of the graduation date period for the program to begin working for the citizen's let's say.

At 55 years old (in some careers), people would qualify earlier than others, and then in other types of careers they would have other graduation dates, and this would be all due to the variences and/or strenuous circumstances surrounding the various types of careers one is retiring from.

Otherwise should a logger be held to the same standard as say a secretary in the retirement dates aspect of such a program ?

Maybe the logger's percentage paid in could be slightly higher by percentage wise, otherwise as based upon a scale being set by career fields, than that of say a secretary's scale in order to justify the logger retiring earlier than the secretary who can easily go on into his or her 60th year working in that career field ??? Just ideas on how to make the thing more fair and workable for all involved.

Why is the program set up the way that it is, and this being without regard to the job titles of those working, and their years worked, their percentages paid in, and their dates set for retirement based upon the variations involved ??

I'm sure there are several details in the administration of the program that could be reconsidered, but that's just minor detail. The fact remains that it is the most popular program the US has ever had, it works extremely well, and it is pure socialism. Proof positive that the right's claim that socialism is always bad is pure bullshit.

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

America wants transparency, something they haven't been getting.

Transparency and Social Security. You're finally catching on.

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm sure there are several details in the administration of the program that could be reconsidered, but that's just minor detail. The fact remains that it is the most popular program the US has ever had, it works extremely well, and it is pure socialism. Proof positive that the right's claim that socialism is always bad is pure bullshit.

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

They want it privately run! Invest into 401ks you’re against that obviously! You love socialism

Having both is ok too, just as long as the money isn't diverted to bad stuff when government is involved on the one side of it.

401k the only true path. Pensions are illegal

You're getting a little crazy now.

 

[Asclepias]

If you think the social security system is not socialism then you have no clue what socialism means.

If you think social security is socialism you should leave this thread...Dumbfuck

I forgot how tiny your brain is. How could you not know SS is socialism? What a dumbass.

How dumb are you? Obviously you never held a real job. See, social security is me getting back the money I paid into the system my ENTIRE working life. Getting back my own money isn't socialism. Try again.

Youre not getting your money back dummy. That went to support the people older than you that drew benefits before you became old enough. Youre getting someone elses money thats currently working. How fucking stupid are you? Didnt they teach you this in high school? Heres a hint for you. If its not socialism why cant you opt out? Why arent you earning interest if its your money?

Answer: Because the system is owned by the government. Its administered by the government

And another one that thinks socialism is a system of government.

Thats because it is a system of government. Can you post the definition of socialism? You might learn something.

 

[Asclepias]

Yes. The products they produce, are controlled by the public. Those products can't always be put in a box and shipped to your door, but they are products none the less.

No, they are not.

It appears we have an issue regarding 'products.' Those are not products, they are public services and there is a huge difference. Declaring everything the government does as socialism shows a deep misunderstanding of socialism.

The service is the product dumb ass. Those specific things are textbook socialism.

Then what is not socialism that government does?

You first. How does social security differ from socialism?

I already told you how. The simple fact that you cannot differentiate between government and socialism should tell you that you fundamentally misunderstand the ECONOMIC system called socialism.

Definition of SOCIALISM

"any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods"


Socialism - Wikipedia

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management, as well as the political theories and movements associated with them."

What Is Socialism?

"What Is Socialism?
Socialism is a populist economic and political system based on public ownership (also known as collective or common ownership) of the means of production."

 

[beagle9]

No, they are not.

It appears we have an issue regarding 'products.' Those are not products, they are public services and there is a huge difference. Declaring everything the government does as socialism shows a deep misunderstanding of socialism.

The service is the product dumb ass. Those specific things are textbook socialism.

Then what is not socialism that government does?

You first. How does social security differ from socialism?

I already told you how. The simple fact that you cannot differentiate between government and socialism should tell you that you fundamentally misunderstand the ECONOMIC system called socialism.

Definition of SOCIALISM

"any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods"


Socialism - Wikipedia

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management, as well as the political theories and movements associated with them."

What Is Socialism?

"What Is Socialism?
Socialism is a populist economic and political system based on public ownership (also known as collective or common ownership) of the means of production."

The very thing we don't need while we have radicals who would use that system to control and destroy us with it.

 

[jc456]

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

They want it privately run! Invest into 401ks you’re against that obviously! You love socialism

Nope. You know better than that. The right has tried to privatize it lots of times only to experience abject failure every time.

I’m correct and you prove your socialist

You got a link to any success you might have had to privatize SS? I would love to see that.

401ks

 

[jc456]

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

They want it privately run! Invest into 401ks you’re against that obviously! You love socialism

Having both is ok too, just as long as the money isn't diverted to bad stuff when government is involved on the one side of it.

401k the only true path. Pensions are illegal

You're getting a little crazy now.

Why’s SS failing?

 

[beagle9]

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

They want it privately run! Invest into 401ks you’re against that obviously! You love socialism

Nope. You know better than that. The right has tried to privatize it lots of times only to experience abject failure every time.

I’m correct and you prove your socialist

You got a link to any success you might have had to privatize SS? I would love to see that.

401ks

Doing great under Trump.

 

[jc456]

They want it privately run! Invest into 401ks you’re against that obviously! You love socialism

Nope. You know better than that. The right has tried to privatize it lots of times only to experience abject failure every time.

I’m correct and you prove your socialist

You got a link to any success you might have had to privatize SS? I would love to see that.

401ks

Doing great under Trump.

They must have spears in their eyes and more in their ears

 

[22lcidw]

How many working people died before taking a dime?

You're right. It should have been implemented much sooner.

Well, what would help is if it wasn't a pure socialist program where as there is no decerning of careers in which people are graduating from (everyone is looked at in the same?). Different career fields should have different graduation dates wouldn't you think ???

Example: 55 should be the beginning or start of the graduation date period for the program to begin working for the citizen's let's say.

At 55 years old (in some careers), people would qualify earlier than others, and then in other types of careers they would have other graduation dates, and this would be all due to the variences and/or strenuous circumstances surrounding the various types of careers one is retiring from.

Otherwise should a logger be held to the same standard as say a secretary in the retirement dates aspect of such a program ?

Maybe the logger's percentage paid in could be slightly higher by percentage wise, otherwise as based upon a scale being set by career fields, than that of say a secretary's scale in order to justify the logger retiring earlier than the secretary who can easily go on into his or her 60th year working in that career field ??? Just ideas on how to make the thing more fair and workable for all involved.

Why is the program set up the way that it is, and this being without regard to the job titles of those working, and their years worked, their percentages paid in, and their dates set for retirement based upon the variations involved ??

I'm sure there are several details in the administration of the program that could be reconsidered, but that's just minor detail. The fact remains that it is the most popular program the US has ever had, it works extremely well, and it is pure socialism. Proof positive that the right's claim that socialism is always bad is pure bullshit.

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

There was a lot of arguments in the 1980's during the last mass raising of SS taxes. Be that as it may, Many in Generation X and the Millenials believe they will not collect much in SS when their turn comes. We were promised it was fixed for good. Again. What happens is we get these programs and the CBO spouts great growth rates in out GDP as the years go by. The SS fix was supposed to last until the mid 2070's with 4% annual growth. It is starting to fail now and will be negative by the end of the 2020's. We have been adding somewhere in the 2%-2.5% range. The increase in Trump's economy has added a year or so to it. And this with about 95% of the money going in to the government and out to the people. The government only keeps 5% for employees and maintenance and etc. However the money taken in goes into the general fund which the government uses for all of its spending. They have been printing IOU's which people think is money for future payees. The boomers who are twice the size in numbers then the oldest generation and Generation X are retiring and not paying into but being paid now and this is a massive drain on government coffers. Now lts time to get into Medicare. Because government corruption and contractors and lawyers and so much more are involved also as are buddies. And the costs are spiraling higher and higher and higher and whoosh. Medicare is close to bankruptcy even with padding by other sources. Obamacare was just a backdoor way of getting more money for medical including medicare. But the socialist loving Millenials did not buy the insurance like the other suckers did or had to.

 

[beagle9]

You're right. It should have been implemented much sooner.

Well, what would help is if it wasn't a pure socialist program where as there is no decerning of careers in which people are graduating from (everyone is looked at in the same?). Different career fields should have different graduation dates wouldn't you think ???

Example: 55 should be the beginning or start of the graduation date period for the program to begin working for the citizen's let's say.

At 55 years old (in some careers), people would qualify earlier than others, and then in other types of careers they would have other graduation dates, and this would be all due to the variences and/or strenuous circumstances surrounding the various types of careers one is retiring from.

Otherwise should a logger be held to the same standard as say a secretary in the retirement dates aspect of such a program ?

Maybe the logger's percentage paid in could be slightly higher by percentage wise, otherwise as based upon a scale being set by career fields, than that of say a secretary's scale in order to justify the logger retiring earlier than the secretary who can easily go on into his or her 60th year working in that career field ??? Just ideas on how to make the thing more fair and workable for all involved.

Why is the program set up the way that it is, and this being without regard to the job titles of those working, and their years worked, their percentages paid in, and their dates set for retirement based upon the variations involved ??

I'm sure there are several details in the administration of the program that could be reconsidered, but that's just minor detail. The fact remains that it is the most popular program the US has ever had, it works extremely well, and it is pure socialism. Proof positive that the right's claim that socialism is always bad is pure bullshit.

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

There was a lot of arguments in the 1980's during the last mass raising of SS taxes. Be that as it may, Many in Generation X and the Millenials believe they will not collect much in SS when their turn comes. We were promised it was fixed for good. Again. What happens is we get these programs and the CBO spouts great growth rates in out GDP as the years go by. The SS fix was supposed to last until the mid 2070's with 4% annual growth. It is starting to fail now and will be negative by the end of the 2020's. We have been adding somewhere in the 2%-2.5% range. The increase in Trump's economy has added a year or so to it. And this with about 95% of the money going in to the government and out to the people. The government only keeps 5% for employees and maintenance and etc. However the money taken in goes into the general fund which the government uses for all of its spending. They have been printing IOU's which people think is money for future payees. The boomers who are twice the size in numbers then the oldest generation and Generation X are retiring and not paying into but being paid now and this is a massive drain on government coffers. Now lts time to get into Medicare. Because government corruption and contractors and lawyers and so much more are involved also as are buddies. And the costs are spiraling higher and higher and higher and whoosh. Medicare is close to bankruptcy even with padding by other sources. Obamacare was just a backdoor way of getting more money for medical including medicare. But the socialist loving Millenials did not buy the insurance like the other suckers did or had to.

Putting things in perspective.... Think about all the government wasteful spending, and wasteful made up project's where good ole buddies scratch each other's back for favors, and then we are gonna let down our elderly who have built this dam nation over the years ?????

 

[FA_Q2]

No, they are not.

It appears we have an issue regarding 'products.' Those are not products, they are public services and there is a huge difference. Declaring everything the government does as socialism shows a deep misunderstanding of socialism.

The service is the product dumb ass. Those specific things are textbook socialism.

Then what is not socialism that government does?

You first. How does social security differ from socialism?

I already told you how. The simple fact that you cannot differentiate between government and socialism should tell you that you fundamentally misunderstand the ECONOMIC system called socialism.

Definition of SOCIALISM

"any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods"


Socialism - Wikipedia

"Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management, as well as the political theories and movements associated with them."

What Is Socialism?

"What Is Socialism?
Socialism is a populist economic and political system based on public ownership (also known as collective or common ownership) of the means of production."

IOW, not synonymous with government.

You do not even understand the words you use.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

“It's not about protesting the flag" truthers hardest hit.

Drop the bastard in Tehran.



Colin Kaepernick’s flag protests have reportedly taken over the Nike board room.

The athletic-apparel giant began shipping out its Air Max 1 USA sneakers to go on sale this week in celebration of the July Fourth holiday, only to ask retailers to return them without explanation, the Wall Street Journal reported Monday.

The shoes had a pattern mimicking the “Betsy Ross” flag of the newly independent colonies. After having been teased on social media, they are no longer available on Nike’s apps and websites.

Citing “people familiar with the matter,” the Journal reported that the cancellation happened because Kaepernick told Nike that he and others consider the flag an offensive symbol of a slave society.

Nike scraps ‘Betsy Ross Flag’ sneaker after Colin Kaepernick objects

I wouldn't wear slave labor nike if they paid me to wear them