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[beagle9]

Tell us more how socialism will work this time, Mr I’m Informed.

Google Social Security, or Medicare, or Fire department.

All failing fact

WHUT? SS, Medicare, and the fire department are pure socialism. You might add the police, the military, and public schools as well.

Yes, and they make up what percentage of the entire population or the entire system ? Mix in the capitalist side of it, along with all the employees, managers, workers that make up that whole side of it, and you have a majority verses a minority in numbers.

The side you speak of usually serves the other side of the isle by way of the free capitalist side then paying in taxes what is needed to have that volunteer service worker's side rendered onto it.

Now when the service side grows far greater than the other free capitalist production side, then Houston we have a serious problem. We must remain balanced, and the Democrat side is destroying that balance with all it's bullcrap. Can't happen, and it shouldn't happen, and it won't happen.

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

No one said anything about killing any program that works, even though social security has been the biggest rip off this nation has ever known in regards to those who worked their aces off for it, and then they are crapped out of it when it comes time to retire. Robbing that program blind over the years, and worse setting it up to actually screw the elderly out of it is the most deplorable thing ever. Now the free market is yet another way of securing wealth more abundantly, and in securing ones freedom also, but if the Nazi minded control freaks have their way, then that method will be destroyed for most American's just as well.

The problem is that American's are being played like total idiots by the powerful in this country, and I'm not sure if anyone will ever wake up anymore.

 

[Weatherman2020]

All failing fact

WHUT? SS, Medicare, and the fire department are pure socialism. You might add the police, the military, and public schools as well.

Yes, and they make up what percentage of the entire population or the entire system ? Mix in the capitalist side of it, along with all the employees, managers, workers that make up that whole side of it, and you have a majority verses a minority in numbers.

The side you speak of usually serves the other side of the isle by way of the free capitalist side then paying in taxes what is needed to have that volunteer service worker's side rendered onto it.

Now when the service side grows far greater than the other free capitalist production side, then Houston we have a serious problem. We must remain balanced, and the Democrat side is destroying that balance with all it's bullcrap. Can't happen, and it shouldn't happen, and it won't happen.

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

Takes a real moron to claim every government in human history was socialist.
Congrats.

Takes an even bigger moron to think that was anything like what I said.

You’re the moron claiming building roads and having a police department is socialism.

You’re a moron claiming that’s socialism.

 

[beagle9]

WHUT? SS, Medicare, and the fire department are pure socialism. You might add the police, the military, and public schools as well.

Yes, and they make up what percentage of the entire population or the entire system ? Mix in the capitalist side of it, along with all the employees, managers, workers that make up that whole side of it, and you have a majority verses a minority in numbers.

The side you speak of usually serves the other side of the isle by way of the free capitalist side then paying in taxes what is needed to have that volunteer service worker's side rendered onto it.

Now when the service side grows far greater than the other free capitalist production side, then Houston we have a serious problem. We must remain balanced, and the Democrat side is destroying that balance with all it's bullcrap. Can't happen, and it shouldn't happen, and it won't happen.

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

Takes a real moron to claim every government in human history was socialist.
Congrats.

Takes an even bigger moron to think that was anything like what I said.

You’re the moron claiming building roads and having a police department is socialism.

You’re a moron claiming that’s socialism.

Many government programs have a form of socialism embedded into them and/or they create the illusions of socialism by way of the safety nets that are created within the mindsets of those for whom enjoy them. Correct ?? The problem with it all, is that it is taken advantage of or highjacked by the powerful who see the beneficiaries as being vulnerable and weakened down by the dependency created in it all. They know that once people become dependent, and the powerful position themselves as the puppet masters over them, then they can get them to vote for them all due to the fears of losing their safety net if they don't.

What a flippin con game it all has become.

 

[jc456]

Google Social Security, or Medicare, or Fire department.

All failing fact

WHUT? SS, Medicare, and the fire department are pure socialism. You might add the police, the military, and public schools as well.

Yes, and they make up what percentage of the entire population or the entire system ? Mix in the capitalist side of it, along with all the employees, managers, workers that make up that whole side of it, and you have a majority verses a minority in numbers.

The side you speak of usually serves the other side of the isle by way of the free capitalist side then paying in taxes what is needed to have that volunteer service worker's side rendered onto it.

Now when the service side grows far greater than the other free capitalist production side, then Houston we have a serious problem. We must remain balanced, and the Democrat side is destroying that balance with all it's bullcrap. Can't happen, and it shouldn't happen, and it won't happen.

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

No one said anything about killing any program that works, even though social security has been the biggest rip off this nation has ever known in regards to those who worked their aces off for it, and then they are crapped out of it when it comes time to retire. Robbing that program blind over the years, and worse setting it up to actually screw the elderly out of it is the most deplorable thing ever. Now the free market is yet another way of securing wealth more abundantly, and in securing ones freedom also, but if the Nazi minded control freaks have their way, then that method will be destroyed for most American's just as well.

The problem is that American's are being played like total idiots by the powerful in this country, and I'm not sure if anyone will ever wake up anymore.

How many working people died before taking a dime?

 

[BULLDOG]

WHUT? SS, Medicare, and the fire department are pure socialism. You might add the police, the military, and public schools as well.

Yes, and they make up what percentage of the entire population or the entire system ? Mix in the capitalist side of it, along with all the employees, managers, workers that make up that whole side of it, and you have a majority verses a minority in numbers.

The side you speak of usually serves the other side of the isle by way of the free capitalist side then paying in taxes what is needed to have that volunteer service worker's side rendered onto it.

Now when the service side grows far greater than the other free capitalist production side, then Houston we have a serious problem. We must remain balanced, and the Democrat side is destroying that balance with all it's bullcrap. Can't happen, and it shouldn't happen, and it won't happen.

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

Takes a real moron to claim every government in human history was socialist.
Congrats.

Takes an even bigger moron to think that was anything like what I said.

You’re the moron claiming building roads and having a police department is socialism.

You’re a moron claiming that’s socialism.

It is socialism dumb ass. It makes your claim that socialism is always bad sound like the whining of a child, but you;ll just have to get over that.

 

[FA_Q2]

All failing fact

WHUT? SS, Medicare, and the fire department are pure socialism. You might add the police, the military, and public schools as well.

Yes, and they make up what percentage of the entire population or the entire system ? Mix in the capitalist side of it, along with all the employees, managers, workers that make up that whole side of it, and you have a majority verses a minority in numbers.

The side you speak of usually serves the other side of the isle by way of the free capitalist side then paying in taxes what is needed to have that volunteer service worker's side rendered onto it.

Now when the service side grows far greater than the other free capitalist production side, then Houston we have a serious problem. We must remain balanced, and the Democrat side is destroying that balance with all it's bullcrap. Can't happen, and it shouldn't happen, and it won't happen.

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

Takes a real moron to claim every government in human history was socialist.
Congrats.

Takes an even bigger moron to think that was anything like what I said.

Now we are back to ignoring you were unable to identify government action that is not socialism.

 

[BULLDOG]

Yes, and they make up what percentage of the entire population or the entire system ? Mix in the capitalist side of it, along with all the employees, managers, workers that make up that whole side of it, and you have a majority verses a minority in numbers.

The side you speak of usually serves the other side of the isle by way of the free capitalist side then paying in taxes what is needed to have that volunteer service worker's side rendered onto it.

Now when the service side grows far greater than the other free capitalist production side, then Houston we have a serious problem. We must remain balanced, and the Democrat side is destroying that balance with all it's bullcrap. Can't happen, and it shouldn't happen, and it won't happen.

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

Takes a real moron to claim every government in human history was socialist.
Congrats.

Takes an even bigger moron to think that was anything like what I said.

You’re the moron claiming building roads and having a police department is socialism.

You’re a moron claiming that’s socialism.

Many government programs have a form of socialism embedded into them and/or they create the illusions of socialism by way of the safety nets that are created within the mindsets of those for whom enjoy them. Correct ?? The problem with it all, is that it is taken advantage of or highjacked by the powerful who see the beneficiaries as being vulnerable and weakened down by the dependency created in it all. They know that once people become dependent, and the powerful position themselves as the puppet masters over them, then they can get them to vote for them all due to the fears of losing their safety net if they don't.

What a flippin con game it all has become.

So you are against Social Security and fire departments?

 

[BULLDOG]

All failing fact

WHUT? SS, Medicare, and the fire department are pure socialism. You might add the police, the military, and public schools as well.

Yes, and they make up what percentage of the entire population or the entire system ? Mix in the capitalist side of it, along with all the employees, managers, workers that make up that whole side of it, and you have a majority verses a minority in numbers.

The side you speak of usually serves the other side of the isle by way of the free capitalist side then paying in taxes what is needed to have that volunteer service worker's side rendered onto it.

Now when the service side grows far greater than the other free capitalist production side, then Houston we have a serious problem. We must remain balanced, and the Democrat side is destroying that balance with all it's bullcrap. Can't happen, and it shouldn't happen, and it won't happen.

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

No one said anything about killing any program that works, even though social security has been the biggest rip off this nation has ever known in regards to those who worked their aces off for it, and then they are crapped out of it when it comes time to retire. Robbing that program blind over the years, and worse setting it up to actually screw the elderly out of it is the most deplorable thing ever. Now the free market is yet another way of securing wealth more abundantly, and in securing ones freedom also, but if the Nazi minded control freaks have their way, then that method will be destroyed for most American's just as well.

The problem is that American's are being played like total idiots by the powerful in this country, and I'm not sure if anyone will ever wake up anymore.

How many working people died before taking a dime?

You're right. It should have been implemented much sooner.

 

[jc456]

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

Takes a real moron to claim every government in human history was socialist.
Congrats.

Takes an even bigger moron to think that was anything like what I said.

You’re the moron claiming building roads and having a police department is socialism.

You’re a moron claiming that’s socialism.

Many government programs have a form of socialism embedded into them and/or they create the illusions of socialism by way of the safety nets that are created within the mindsets of those for whom enjoy them. Correct ?? The problem with it all, is that it is taken advantage of or highjacked by the powerful who see the beneficiaries as being vulnerable and weakened down by the dependency created in it all. They know that once people become dependent, and the powerful position themselves as the puppet masters over them, then they can get them to vote for them all due to the fears of losing their safety net if they don't.

What a flippin con game it all has become.

So you are against Social Security and fire departments?

Not the same thing . You’re confused

 

[jc456]

WHUT? SS, Medicare, and the fire department are pure socialism. You might add the police, the military, and public schools as well.

Yes, and they make up what percentage of the entire population or the entire system ? Mix in the capitalist side of it, along with all the employees, managers, workers that make up that whole side of it, and you have a majority verses a minority in numbers.

The side you speak of usually serves the other side of the isle by way of the free capitalist side then paying in taxes what is needed to have that volunteer service worker's side rendered onto it.

Now when the service side grows far greater than the other free capitalist production side, then Houston we have a serious problem. We must remain balanced, and the Democrat side is destroying that balance with all it's bullcrap. Can't happen, and it shouldn't happen, and it won't happen.

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

No one said anything about killing any program that works, even though social security has been the biggest rip off this nation has ever known in regards to those who worked their aces off for it, and then they are crapped out of it when it comes time to retire. Robbing that program blind over the years, and worse setting it up to actually screw the elderly out of it is the most deplorable thing ever. Now the free market is yet another way of securing wealth more abundantly, and in securing ones freedom also, but if the Nazi minded control freaks have their way, then that method will be destroyed for most American's just as well.

The problem is that American's are being played like total idiots by the powerful in this country, and I'm not sure if anyone will ever wake up anymore.

How many working people died before taking a dime?

You're right. It should have been implemented much sooner.

Stu, right over your head!

 

[beagle9]

All failing fact

WHUT? SS, Medicare, and the fire department are pure socialism. You might add the police, the military, and public schools as well.

Yes, and they make up what percentage of the entire population or the entire system ? Mix in the capitalist side of it, along with all the employees, managers, workers that make up that whole side of it, and you have a majority verses a minority in numbers.

The side you speak of usually serves the other side of the isle by way of the free capitalist side then paying in taxes what is needed to have that volunteer service worker's side rendered onto it.

Now when the service side grows far greater than the other free capitalist production side, then Houston we have a serious problem. We must remain balanced, and the Democrat side is destroying that balance with all it's bullcrap. Can't happen, and it shouldn't happen, and it won't happen.

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

No one said anything about killing any program that works, even though social security has been the biggest rip off this nation has ever known in regards to those who worked their aces off for it, and then they are crapped out of it when it comes time to retire. Robbing that program blind over the years, and worse setting it up to actually screw the elderly out of it is the most deplorable thing ever. Now the free market is yet another way of securing wealth more abundantly, and in securing ones freedom also, but if the Nazi minded control freaks have their way, then that method will be destroyed for most American's just as well.

The problem is that American's are being played like total idiots by the powerful in this country, and I'm not sure if anyone will ever wake up anymore.

How many working people died before taking a dime?

Not the point I was trying to make, but more to the point would be the way it is handled (government right?), divied up, and the overall plan itself.

Example, we as taxpayers pay into the thing for years upon years, and yet the time in which to qualify for benefits is highly suspect due to the constant threatening changes over time, and then the benefits aren't suitable to the recipients who more than paid their fair share into the program in trust of said program over the many years.

The horror stories as told by the elderly in concerning their cost of living raises, the qualifications process and etc (in regards to their benefits etc), is simply sad really.

 

[beagle9]

WHUT? SS, Medicare, and the fire department are pure socialism. You might add the police, the military, and public schools as well.

Yes, and they make up what percentage of the entire population or the entire system ? Mix in the capitalist side of it, along with all the employees, managers, workers that make up that whole side of it, and you have a majority verses a minority in numbers.

The side you speak of usually serves the other side of the isle by way of the free capitalist side then paying in taxes what is needed to have that volunteer service worker's side rendered onto it.

Now when the service side grows far greater than the other free capitalist production side, then Houston we have a serious problem. We must remain balanced, and the Democrat side is destroying that balance with all it's bullcrap. Can't happen, and it shouldn't happen, and it won't happen.

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

No one said anything about killing any program that works, even though social security has been the biggest rip off this nation has ever known in regards to those who worked their aces off for it, and then they are crapped out of it when it comes time to retire. Robbing that program blind over the years, and worse setting it up to actually screw the elderly out of it is the most deplorable thing ever. Now the free market is yet another way of securing wealth more abundantly, and in securing ones freedom also, but if the Nazi minded control freaks have their way, then that method will be destroyed for most American's just as well.

The problem is that American's are being played like total idiots by the powerful in this country, and I'm not sure if anyone will ever wake up anymore.

How many working people died before taking a dime?

You're right. It should have been implemented much sooner.

Well, what would help is if it wasn't a pure socialist program where as there is no decerning of careers in which people are graduating from (everyone is looked at in the same?). Different career fields should have different graduation dates wouldn't you think ???

Example: 55 should be the beginning or start of the graduation date period for the program to begin working for the citizen's let's say.

At 55 years old (in some careers), people would qualify earlier than others, and then in other types of careers they would have other graduation dates, and this would be all due to the variences and/or strenuous circumstances surrounding the various types of careers one is retiring from.

Otherwise should a logger be held to the same standard as say a secretary in the retirement dates aspect of such a program ?

Maybe the logger's percentage paid in could be slightly higher by percentage wise, otherwise as based upon a scale being set by career fields, than that of say a secretary's scale in order to justify the logger retiring earlier than the secretary who can easily go on into his or her 60th year working in that career field ??? Just ideas on how to make the thing more fair and workable for all involved.

Why is the program set up the way that it is, and this being without regard to the job titles of those working, and their years worked, their percentages paid in, and their dates set for retirement based upon the variations involved ??

 

[BULLDOG]

Yes, and they make up what percentage of the entire population or the entire system ? Mix in the capitalist side of it, along with all the employees, managers, workers that make up that whole side of it, and you have a majority verses a minority in numbers.

The side you speak of usually serves the other side of the isle by way of the free capitalist side then paying in taxes what is needed to have that volunteer service worker's side rendered onto it.

Now when the service side grows far greater than the other free capitalist production side, then Houston we have a serious problem. We must remain balanced, and the Democrat side is destroying that balance with all it's bullcrap. Can't happen, and it shouldn't happen, and it won't happen.

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

No one said anything about killing any program that works, even though social security has been the biggest rip off this nation has ever known in regards to those who worked their aces off for it, and then they are crapped out of it when it comes time to retire. Robbing that program blind over the years, and worse setting it up to actually screw the elderly out of it is the most deplorable thing ever. Now the free market is yet another way of securing wealth more abundantly, and in securing ones freedom also, but if the Nazi minded control freaks have their way, then that method will be destroyed for most American's just as well.

The problem is that American's are being played like total idiots by the powerful in this country, and I'm not sure if anyone will ever wake up anymore.

How many working people died before taking a dime?

You're right. It should have been implemented much sooner.

Well, what would help is if it wasn't a pure socialist program where as there is no decerning of careers in which people are graduating from (everyone is looked at in the same?). Different career fields should have different graduation dates wouldn't you think ???

Example: 55 should be the beginning or start of the graduation date period for the program to begin working for the citizen's let's say.

At 55 years old (in some careers), people would qualify earlier than others, and then in other types of careers they would have other graduation dates, and this would be all due to the variences and/or strenuous circumstances surrounding the various types of careers one is retiring from.

Otherwise should a logger be held to the same standard as say a secretary in the retirement dates aspect of such a program ?

Maybe the logger's percentage paid in could be slightly higher by percentage wise, otherwise as based upon a scale being set by career fields, than that of say a secretary's scale in order to justify the logger retiring earlier than the secretary who can easily go on into his or her 60th year working in that career field ??? Just ideas on how to make the thing more fair and workable for all involved.

Why is the program set up the way that it is, and this being without regard to the job titles of those working, and their years worked, their percentages paid in, and their dates set for retirement based upon the variations involved ??

I'm sure there are several details in the administration of the program that could be reconsidered, but that's just minor detail. The fact remains that it is the most popular program the US has ever had, it works extremely well, and it is pure socialism. Proof positive that the right's claim that socialism is always bad is pure bullshit.

 

[beagle9]

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

No one said anything about killing any program that works, even though social security has been the biggest rip off this nation has ever known in regards to those who worked their aces off for it, and then they are crapped out of it when it comes time to retire. Robbing that program blind over the years, and worse setting it up to actually screw the elderly out of it is the most deplorable thing ever. Now the free market is yet another way of securing wealth more abundantly, and in securing ones freedom also, but if the Nazi minded control freaks have their way, then that method will be destroyed for most American's just as well.

The problem is that American's are being played like total idiots by the powerful in this country, and I'm not sure if anyone will ever wake up anymore.

How many working people died before taking a dime?

You're right. It should have been implemented much sooner.

Well, what would help is if it wasn't a pure socialist program where as there is no decerning of careers in which people are graduating from (everyone is looked at in the same?). Different career fields should have different graduation dates wouldn't you think ???

Example: 55 should be the beginning or start of the graduation date period for the program to begin working for the citizen's let's say.

At 55 years old (in some careers), people would qualify earlier than others, and then in other types of careers they would have other graduation dates, and this would be all due to the variences and/or strenuous circumstances surrounding the various types of careers one is retiring from.

Otherwise should a logger be held to the same standard as say a secretary in the retirement dates aspect of such a program ?

Maybe the logger's percentage paid in could be slightly higher by percentage wise, otherwise as based upon a scale being set by career fields, than that of say a secretary's scale in order to justify the logger retiring earlier than the secretary who can easily go on into his or her 60th year working in that career field ??? Just ideas on how to make the thing more fair and workable for all involved.

Why is the program set up the way that it is, and this being without regard to the job titles of those working, and their years worked, their percentages paid in, and their dates set for retirement based upon the variations involved ??

I'm sure there are several details in the administration of the program that could be reconsidered, but that's just minor detail. The fact remains that it is the most popular program the US has ever had, it works extremely well, and it is pure socialism. Proof positive that the right's claim that socialism is always bad is pure bullshit.

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

 

[jc456]

WHUT? SS, Medicare, and the fire department are pure socialism. You might add the police, the military, and public schools as well.

Yes, and they make up what percentage of the entire population or the entire system ? Mix in the capitalist side of it, along with all the employees, managers, workers that make up that whole side of it, and you have a majority verses a minority in numbers.

The side you speak of usually serves the other side of the isle by way of the free capitalist side then paying in taxes what is needed to have that volunteer service worker's side rendered onto it.

Now when the service side grows far greater than the other free capitalist production side, then Houston we have a serious problem. We must remain balanced, and the Democrat side is destroying that balance with all it's bullcrap. Can't happen, and it shouldn't happen, and it won't happen.

Our socialist programs are neither Republican or Democratic. they are American programs that serve us all well, and I might add, the most successful and well liked programs the country has ever known. You will never kill Social Security because it works, and the country won't let you.

No one said anything about killing any program that works, even though social security has been the biggest rip off this nation has ever known in regards to those who worked their aces off for it, and then they are crapped out of it when it comes time to retire. Robbing that program blind over the years, and worse setting it up to actually screw the elderly out of it is the most deplorable thing ever. Now the free market is yet another way of securing wealth more abundantly, and in securing ones freedom also, but if the Nazi minded control freaks have their way, then that method will be destroyed for most American's just as well.

The problem is that American's are being played like total idiots by the powerful in this country, and I'm not sure if anyone will ever wake up anymore.

How many working people died before taking a dime?

Not the point I was trying to make, but more to the point would be the way it is handled (government right?), divied up, and the overall plan itself.

Example, we as taxpayers pay into the thing for years upon years, and yet the time in which to qualify for benefits is highly suspect due to the constant threatening changes over time, and then the benefits aren't suitable to the recipients who more than paid their fair share into the program in trust of said program over the many years.

The horror stories as told by the elderly in concerning their cost of living raises, the qualifications process and etc (in regards to their benefits etc), is simply sad really.

Well actually, it’s when the skanks in DC use it to pay for illegals

 

[BULLDOG]

No one said anything about killing any program that works, even though social security has been the biggest rip off this nation has ever known in regards to those who worked their aces off for it, and then they are crapped out of it when it comes time to retire. Robbing that program blind over the years, and worse setting it up to actually screw the elderly out of it is the most deplorable thing ever. Now the free market is yet another way of securing wealth more abundantly, and in securing ones freedom also, but if the Nazi minded control freaks have their way, then that method will be destroyed for most American's just as well.

The problem is that American's are being played like total idiots by the powerful in this country, and I'm not sure if anyone will ever wake up anymore.

How many working people died before taking a dime?

You're right. It should have been implemented much sooner.

Well, what would help is if it wasn't a pure socialist program where as there is no decerning of careers in which people are graduating from (everyone is looked at in the same?). Different career fields should have different graduation dates wouldn't you think ???

Example: 55 should be the beginning or start of the graduation date period for the program to begin working for the citizen's let's say.

At 55 years old (in some careers), people would qualify earlier than others, and then in other types of careers they would have other graduation dates, and this would be all due to the variences and/or strenuous circumstances surrounding the various types of careers one is retiring from.

Otherwise should a logger be held to the same standard as say a secretary in the retirement dates aspect of such a program ?

Maybe the logger's percentage paid in could be slightly higher by percentage wise, otherwise as based upon a scale being set by career fields, than that of say a secretary's scale in order to justify the logger retiring earlier than the secretary who can easily go on into his or her 60th year working in that career field ??? Just ideas on how to make the thing more fair and workable for all involved.

Why is the program set up the way that it is, and this being without regard to the job titles of those working, and their years worked, their percentages paid in, and their dates set for retirement based upon the variations involved ??

I'm sure there are several details in the administration of the program that could be reconsidered, but that's just minor detail. The fact remains that it is the most popular program the US has ever had, it works extremely well, and it is pure socialism. Proof positive that the right's claim that socialism is always bad is pure bullshit.

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

 

[jc456]

How many working people died before taking a dime?

You're right. It should have been implemented much sooner.

Well, what would help is if it wasn't a pure socialist program where as there is no decerning of careers in which people are graduating from (everyone is looked at in the same?). Different career fields should have different graduation dates wouldn't you think ???

Example: 55 should be the beginning or start of the graduation date period for the program to begin working for the citizen's let's say.

At 55 years old (in some careers), people would qualify earlier than others, and then in other types of careers they would have other graduation dates, and this would be all due to the variences and/or strenuous circumstances surrounding the various types of careers one is retiring from.

Otherwise should a logger be held to the same standard as say a secretary in the retirement dates aspect of such a program ?

Maybe the logger's percentage paid in could be slightly higher by percentage wise, otherwise as based upon a scale being set by career fields, than that of say a secretary's scale in order to justify the logger retiring earlier than the secretary who can easily go on into his or her 60th year working in that career field ??? Just ideas on how to make the thing more fair and workable for all involved.

Why is the program set up the way that it is, and this being without regard to the job titles of those working, and their years worked, their percentages paid in, and their dates set for retirement based upon the variations involved ??

I'm sure there are several details in the administration of the program that could be reconsidered, but that's just minor detail. The fact remains that it is the most popular program the US has ever had, it works extremely well, and it is pure socialism. Proof positive that the right's claim that socialism is always bad is pure bullshit.

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

They want it privately run! Invest into 401ks you’re against that obviously! You love socialism

 

[BULLDOG]

You're right. It should have been implemented much sooner.

Well, what would help is if it wasn't a pure socialist program where as there is no decerning of careers in which people are graduating from (everyone is looked at in the same?). Different career fields should have different graduation dates wouldn't you think ???

Example: 55 should be the beginning or start of the graduation date period for the program to begin working for the citizen's let's say.

At 55 years old (in some careers), people would qualify earlier than others, and then in other types of careers they would have other graduation dates, and this would be all due to the variences and/or strenuous circumstances surrounding the various types of careers one is retiring from.

Otherwise should a logger be held to the same standard as say a secretary in the retirement dates aspect of such a program ?

Maybe the logger's percentage paid in could be slightly higher by percentage wise, otherwise as based upon a scale being set by career fields, than that of say a secretary's scale in order to justify the logger retiring earlier than the secretary who can easily go on into his or her 60th year working in that career field ??? Just ideas on how to make the thing more fair and workable for all involved.

Why is the program set up the way that it is, and this being without regard to the job titles of those working, and their years worked, their percentages paid in, and their dates set for retirement based upon the variations involved ??

I'm sure there are several details in the administration of the program that could be reconsidered, but that's just minor detail. The fact remains that it is the most popular program the US has ever had, it works extremely well, and it is pure socialism. Proof positive that the right's claim that socialism is always bad is pure bullshit.

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

They want it privately run! Invest into 401ks you’re against that obviously! You love socialism

Nope. You know better than that. The right has tried to privatize it lots of times only to experience abject failure every time.

 

[beagle9]

You're right. It should have been implemented much sooner.

Well, what would help is if it wasn't a pure socialist program where as there is no decerning of careers in which people are graduating from (everyone is looked at in the same?). Different career fields should have different graduation dates wouldn't you think ???

Example: 55 should be the beginning or start of the graduation date period for the program to begin working for the citizen's let's say.

At 55 years old (in some careers), people would qualify earlier than others, and then in other types of careers they would have other graduation dates, and this would be all due to the variences and/or strenuous circumstances surrounding the various types of careers one is retiring from.

Otherwise should a logger be held to the same standard as say a secretary in the retirement dates aspect of such a program ?

Maybe the logger's percentage paid in could be slightly higher by percentage wise, otherwise as based upon a scale being set by career fields, than that of say a secretary's scale in order to justify the logger retiring earlier than the secretary who can easily go on into his or her 60th year working in that career field ??? Just ideas on how to make the thing more fair and workable for all involved.

Why is the program set up the way that it is, and this being without regard to the job titles of those working, and their years worked, their percentages paid in, and their dates set for retirement based upon the variations involved ??

I'm sure there are several details in the administration of the program that could be reconsidered, but that's just minor detail. The fact remains that it is the most popular program the US has ever had, it works extremely well, and it is pure socialism. Proof positive that the right's claim that socialism is always bad is pure bullshit.

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

They want it privately run! Invest into 401ks you’re against that obviously! You love socialism

Having both is ok too, just as long as the money isn't diverted to bad stuff when government is involved on the one side of it.

 

[jc456]

Well, what would help is if it wasn't a pure socialist program where as there is no decerning of careers in which people are graduating from (everyone is looked at in the same?). Different career fields should have different graduation dates wouldn't you think ???

Example: 55 should be the beginning or start of the graduation date period for the program to begin working for the citizen's let's say.

At 55 years old (in some careers), people would qualify earlier than others, and then in other types of careers they would have other graduation dates, and this would be all due to the variences and/or strenuous circumstances surrounding the various types of careers one is retiring from.

Otherwise should a logger be held to the same standard as say a secretary in the retirement dates aspect of such a program ?

Maybe the logger's percentage paid in could be slightly higher by percentage wise, otherwise as based upon a scale being set by career fields, than that of say a secretary's scale in order to justify the logger retiring earlier than the secretary who can easily go on into his or her 60th year working in that career field ??? Just ideas on how to make the thing more fair and workable for all involved.

Why is the program set up the way that it is, and this being without regard to the job titles of those working, and their years worked, their percentages paid in, and their dates set for retirement based upon the variations involved ??

I'm sure there are several details in the administration of the program that could be reconsidered, but that's just minor detail. The fact remains that it is the most popular program the US has ever had, it works extremely well, and it is pure socialism. Proof positive that the right's claim that socialism is always bad is pure bullshit.

If replaced by a better program, it could easily be proven as bad when the other program works better. The problem is that no one trust to try anything else because of the dependency that has been caused by the only government administered program that is like it of it's kind. Sort of like not allowing health care to cross state lines etc.

So you admit that America LOVES the purely socialist Social Security Program, and doesn't want any major change in it. The citizens have spoken. You lose.

They want it privately run! Invest into 401ks you’re against that obviously! You love socialism

Nope. You know better than that. The right has tried to privatize it lots of times only to experience abject failure every time.

I’m correct and you prove your socialist