NFL kneelers

[Ray From Cleveland]

Did he as the President forbid protesting? Did he as the President introduce legislation for an amendment repeal? Just what did this government official do that restricted free speech I ask you?

He said players kneeling before football games should be fired. I think Presidents kneeling before Putin should be fired.

Something he never did. However the President did not make (or attempt) to create law to fire those players, did he? Does everybody in this country have a right to free speech except a Republican President?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Kinda crazy how we spent an entire season off when not one NFL player had a protest or an event. Now that the season is starting they get involved. If you can’t actually spend your own off time protesting it’s not even serious to them. It’s a worthless protest. You can’t be so emotionally investing in something you won’t do on your own time.

Actually, many NFL players put action behind their protest during the off season -- now you may not have heard about it because they didn't do it in a way to draw attention --also, because the liberal media didn't want to report on it, because of how liberal the media is and all..

But here is one example of why your post is a bunch of BS:

"After the anthem, and off the field, Jenkins’ push for social justice and racial equality continued. Along with four other NFL players, he traveled to Washington, D.C., for a meeting with lawmakers to discuss criminal justice reform."

When Malcolm Jenkins went on a ride along with Philly police he said: "There was a lot I wanted to accomplish by doing it. First, I wanted to kind of learn for myself before I went on advocating and making a lot of noise. I wanted to learn for myself, kind of both ends of the spectrum. What is it that officers are going through? What are their challenges? Their perspective on the issue. Or even if they believed that there was an issue. And then also being able to hear the voices of members of the community that have to deal with police interactions all the time. The third thing I wanted to do is document the conversations that came out of it, between myself and law enforcement."

Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins talks about his ride-along with Philly Police Department

So no, NFL players are not just protesting during the anthem and nothing else off the field, you wouldn't know or care because you don't see a problem to begin with --- but you same people are willing to declare the entire FBI and DOJ as being corrupt and I don't recall one single Trump official being shot unarmed.

Wow! That's great! Did any of these guys kneel? How many others were kneeling that did not do a damn thing?

 

[Lysistrata]

They are just doing a Tebow.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

they say they are upset that there is a disproportionate number of blacks in prison----------------well, duh, a disproportionate number of blacks commit crimes. that is not a racist statement, its a statement of fact.

False, a disproportionate number of blacks are CONVICTED not arrested.

For example, even though whites and blacks used illegal drugs at the same rate, blacks are more likely to be CONVICTED -- so to idiots like yourself who don't understand the inherit bias in the justice system that even the Supreme Court recognized --- you think its just because blacks are criminals by their DNA

Link to your completely baseless and false claim?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Aside from the fact that racism is so embedded in America that whenever someone protests racism, idiots like yourself think they are protesting America, I will leave that aside..

They are not protesting racism, they are protesting our laws that enable police officers to use deadly force to protect themselves. These are people that feel there should be no authoritative figure over them. They should be allowed to do whatever they want just like any uncivilized country. But we don't do that here.

First off, I would not work for a company who feels me standing for a daily pledge is pertinent to me doing my job....second, if I did, and decided still protest, I will accept the punishment, which in the case of the NFL is a fine.

You would work for that company if they were the only ones willing to pay you millions of dollars for your work.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

racism is not cured by promoting more racism. Calling for the murder of whites and police (both black and white) is not going to solve anything. Listen to people like Ben Carson and Jim Brown, and Dak Prescott. They understand, you don't.

What is this need to think you can tell people who they should listen to?

Again, you should get tired of getting owned on this post, but I got time..

Now, which Jim Brown do you want me to listen to? the scary Jim Brown in this pic sitting next to all of the other scary black athletes who causing trouble back then? Or the current Jim Brown that conservatives suddenly love because he appeases them?

Which Ben Carson do you want me to listen to? The one who said that police brutality really is a problem, we just shouldn't focus it on race?

Or the Ben Carson that Trump said "he's got a pathological temper, he's pathological and he's got basically pathological disease ... I don't want a person that's got pathological disease."

Oh, I should listen to Dak Prescott? Why? and which Dak Prescott should I listen to? The Dak Prescott who said he personally wouldn't kneel during the anthem because the "GAME" is where he finds his peace


Or the Dak Prescott who said that he believes racial injustice and police brutality is indeed a problem, it just needs more than kneeling, it needs action?? I never see conservatives mentioning that part of what Dak said

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Kinda crazy how we spent an entire season off when not one NFL player had a protest or an event. Now that the season is starting they get involved. If you can’t actually spend your own off time protesting it’s not even serious to them. It’s a worthless protest. You can’t be so emotionally investing in something you won’t do on your own time.

Actually, many NFL players put action behind their protest during the off season -- now you may not have heard about it because they didn't do it in a way to draw attention --also, because the liberal media didn't want to report on it, because of how liberal the media is and all..

But here is one example of why your post is a bunch of BS:

"After the anthem, and off the field, Jenkins’ push for social justice and racial equality continued. Along with four other NFL players, he traveled to Washington, D.C., for a meeting with lawmakers to discuss criminal justice reform."

When Malcolm Jenkins went on a ride along with Philly police he said: "There was a lot I wanted to accomplish by doing it. First, I wanted to kind of learn for myself before I went on advocating and making a lot of noise. I wanted to learn for myself, kind of both ends of the spectrum. What is it that officers are going through? What are their challenges? Their perspective on the issue. Or even if they believed that there was an issue. And then also being able to hear the voices of members of the community that have to deal with police interactions all the time. The third thing I wanted to do is document the conversations that came out of it, between myself and law enforcement."

Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins talks about his ride-along with Philly Police Department

So no, NFL players are not just protesting during the anthem and nothing else off the field, you wouldn't know or care because you don't see a problem to begin with --- but you same people are willing to declare the entire FBI and DOJ as being corrupt and I don't recall one single Trump official being shot unarmed.

they say they are upset that there is a disproportionate number of blacks in prison----------------well, duh, a disproportionate number of blacks commit crimes. that is not a racist statement, its a statement of fact.

False, a disproportionate number of blacks are CONVICTED not arrested.

For example, even though whites and blacks used illegal drugs at the same rate, blacks are more likely to be CONVICTED -- so to idiots like yourself who don't understand the inherit bias in the justice system that even the Supreme Court recognized --- you think its just because blacks are criminals by their DNA

no, I don't think they are criminals by DNA, that's just stupid. The black crime rate is the direct results of generations of the liberal welfare state that has destroyed the black family. When women are financially incentivized to have kids outside of marriage the result is millions of young black boys being raised with no father figure in their lives, no one to teach them how to be a man, how to be responsible, and how to earn a living. If you want to place blame, put it where it belongs, on liberal societal policies.

"The black crime rate is the direct results of generations of the liberal welfare state that has destroyed the black family. "

More Hannity and Info Wars BS. Ever read up on Jim Crow laws?

So that's why all of the northern prisons are full of blacks? It was Jim Crow laws in the south? You are hilarious!

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

They are not protesting racism, they are protesting our laws that enable police officers to use deadly force to protect themselves. These are people that feel there should be no authoritative figure over them. They should be allowed to do whatever they want just like any uncivilized country. But we don't do that here.

No, the reason behind the movement has been very clear -- they are protesting the lack of ACCOUNTABILITY by law enforcement and prosecutors when it comes to their reluctance to prosecute bad cops and even in cases were the officers were "FOUND" guilty -- they still receive relatively light sentences -- that is what the protests are geared towards

but for folks like you, you feel a rancher in Nevada not paying a million bucks in grazing fees is the real injustice worth having an armed standoff over.

You would work for that company if they were the only ones willing to pay you millions of dollars for your work.

"second, if I did, and decided to still protest, I will accept the punishment, which in the case of the NFL is a fine" -- What about reading do you not like? Also, everyone's principles are not for sale, I know most conservatives are almost incapable of believing that fact, but its true -- some people stand on their principles despite financial losses

Which is why this man who was hated for his stance back then is so admired now by those who would have hated them back then

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

racism is not cured by promoting more racism. Calling for the murder of whites and police (both black and white) is not going to solve anything. Listen to people like Ben Carson and Jim Brown, and Dak Prescott. They understand, you don't.

What is this need to think you can tell people who they should listen to?

Again, you should get tired of getting owned on this post, but I got time..

Now, which Jim Brown do you want me to listen to? the scary Jim Brown in this pic sitting next to all of the other scary black athletes who causing trouble back then? Or the current Jim Brown that conservatives suddenly love because he appeases them?

Which Ben Carson do you want me to listen to? The one who said that police brutality really is a problem, we just shouldn't focus it on race?

Or the Ben Carson that Trump said "he's got a pathological temper, he's pathological and he's got basically pathological disease ... I don't want a person that's got pathological disease."

Oh, I should listen to Dak Prescott? Why? and which Dak Prescott should I listen to? The Dak Prescott who said he personally wouldn't kneel during the anthem because the "GAME" is where he finds his peace


Or the Dak Prescott who said that he believes racial injustice and police brutality is indeed a problem, it just needs more than kneeling, it needs action?? I never see conservatives mentioning that part of what Dak said

I find Dak Prescott's position to be rather interesting since he is a skin-color black like Obama. Like Obama, Prescott's mother was white.

 

[Desperado]

But it is ok for Facebook, Youtube and Twitter to prohibit opposing views?
The NFL is a private corporation which has its own rules.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Kinda crazy how we spent an entire season off when not one NFL player had a protest or an event. Now that the season is starting they get involved. If you can’t actually spend your own off time protesting it’s not even serious to them. It’s a worthless protest. You can’t be so emotionally investing in something you won’t do on your own time.

Actually, many NFL players put action behind their protest during the off season -- now you may not have heard about it because they didn't do it in a way to draw attention --also, because the liberal media didn't want to report on it, because of how liberal the media is and all..

But here is one example of why your post is a bunch of BS:

"After the anthem, and off the field, Jenkins’ push for social justice and racial equality continued. Along with four other NFL players, he traveled to Washington, D.C., for a meeting with lawmakers to discuss criminal justice reform."

When Malcolm Jenkins went on a ride along with Philly police he said: "There was a lot I wanted to accomplish by doing it. First, I wanted to kind of learn for myself before I went on advocating and making a lot of noise. I wanted to learn for myself, kind of both ends of the spectrum. What is it that officers are going through? What are their challenges? Their perspective on the issue. Or even if they believed that there was an issue. And then also being able to hear the voices of members of the community that have to deal with police interactions all the time. The third thing I wanted to do is document the conversations that came out of it, between myself and law enforcement."

Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins talks about his ride-along with Philly Police Department

So no, NFL players are not just protesting during the anthem and nothing else off the field, you wouldn't know or care because you don't see a problem to begin with --- but you same people are willing to declare the entire FBI and DOJ as being corrupt and I don't recall one single Trump official being shot unarmed.

Ok, one example, but Jenkins destroyed all the good he did by kneeling at the first preseason game. Yes, the DOJ and FBI are corrupt, much of the corruption happened under Obama, you tell me, did he condone it or try to stop it?

Yes, no Trump has been shot unarmed------------yet.

This is why there is no reason in talking to a Trump supporter

I just showed you an example of a NFL player doing something beyond anthem protests, and you still find a way to say "yea, but..."

Then in the very same comment, despite a Trump official never being shot while unarmed, never being beaten into a confession while in custody -- you still claim that its the DOJ that is corrupt and how black NFL players should be quiet

I think they should protest if they feel motivated to do so. But not during a football game and to disgrace the national anthem, the flag, the military, and everyone who died protecting their right to protest.

These people died protecting the entire Constitution...EVERYTHING in it. And in the Constitution is the Right to Free Speech and Expression.

Now...are these players exercising their right to free speech and freedom of expression?

Yes or No?

The right to free speech only applies to government not restricting you from it--not the NFL.

 

[Nosmo King]

The president is undergoing a Special Prosecutor's investigation, his former campaign chairman is on trial which could result in him dying in prison, his former deputy has plead guilty to crimes and has flipped against him, a New York Republican congressman has been indicted for stock fraud, our electoral system is still under attack by Russians, the family separation crisis is no where near resolved, and what does Trump and the Trumpians want to focus on?

Bright shiny things.

Those items you mentioned are the bright shiny things that libtards focus on. What libs don't realize is that those bright shiny things are really just lures used by other libtards on fishing expeditions.

Those items represent just a few of the legal and political problems keeping your boy in the White House awake at night. They are real, not like this NFL distraction.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Kinda crazy how we spent an entire season off when not one NFL player had a protest or an event. Now that the season is starting they get involved. If you can’t actually spend your own off time protesting it’s not even serious to them. It’s a worthless protest. You can’t be so emotionally investing in something you won’t do on your own time.

Actually, many NFL players put action behind their protest during the off season -- now you may not have heard about it because they didn't do it in a way to draw attention --also, because the liberal media didn't want to report on it, because of how liberal the media is and all..

But here is one example of why your post is a bunch of BS:

"After the anthem, and off the field, Jenkins’ push for social justice and racial equality continued. Along with four other NFL players, he traveled to Washington, D.C., for a meeting with lawmakers to discuss criminal justice reform."

When Malcolm Jenkins went on a ride along with Philly police he said: "There was a lot I wanted to accomplish by doing it. First, I wanted to kind of learn for myself before I went on advocating and making a lot of noise. I wanted to learn for myself, kind of both ends of the spectrum. What is it that officers are going through? What are their challenges? Their perspective on the issue. Or even if they believed that there was an issue. And then also being able to hear the voices of members of the community that have to deal with police interactions all the time. The third thing I wanted to do is document the conversations that came out of it, between myself and law enforcement."

Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins talks about his ride-along with Philly Police Department

So no, NFL players are not just protesting during the anthem and nothing else off the field, you wouldn't know or care because you don't see a problem to begin with --- but you same people are willing to declare the entire FBI and DOJ as being corrupt and I don't recall one single Trump official being shot unarmed.

they say they are upset that there is a disproportionate number of blacks in prison----------------well, duh, a disproportionate number of blacks commit crimes. that is not a racist statement, its a statement of fact.

False, a disproportionate number of blacks are CONVICTED not arrested.

For example, even though whites and blacks used illegal drugs at the same rate, blacks are more likely to be CONVICTED -- so to idiots like yourself who don't understand the inherit bias in the justice system that even the Supreme Court recognized --- you think its just because blacks are criminals by their DNA

no, I don't think they are criminals by DNA, that's just stupid. The black crime rate is the direct results of generations of the liberal welfare state that has destroyed the black family. When women are financially incentivized to have kids outside of marriage the result is millions of young black boys being raised with no father figure in their lives, no one to teach them how to be a man, how to be responsible, and how to earn a living. If you want to place blame, put it where it belongs, on liberal societal policies.

"The black crime rate is the direct results of generations of the liberal welfare state that has destroyed the black family. "

More Hannity and Info Wars BS. Ever read up on Jim Crow laws?

So that's why all of the northern prisons are full of blacks? It was Jim Crow laws in the south? You are hilarious!

You could always read what the conservative leaning Supreme Court said about the criminal justice system -- but since most conservatives would rather wait for their talk radio masters to give them their talking points first, I will educate you. Here is what Justice Kennedy wrote in his judicial opinion for the majority 5 justices :

"The unmistakable principle underlying these precedents is that discrimination on the basis of race, odious in all aspects, is especially pernicious in the administration of justice," he wrote, adding that permitting racial prejudice in the jury system damages both the fact and the perception of the jury's role as a vital check against the wrongful exercise of power by the state."

Does the Supreme court admitting the obvious make them anti-white racists?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So in other words you are just going to ignore the whole point I just made about the rates of convictions being disproportionate based on an inherently biased criminal justice system?

Well.....when you have a group of people that commit a disproportionate amount of crime, you're going to have a disproportionate amount of convictions.

By the way, police brutality existed before LBJ's Great Society policies -- blacks were still being disproportionately convicted back then too -- even kids from two parent households can find themselves a victim of police brutality and a biased criminal justice system

All police incidents involving blacks have one thing in common: they didn't listen to the commands of a police officer. Do as a cop tells you to do, and most times there will be no problem.

 

[Pogo]

Kinda crazy how we spent an entire season off when not one NFL player had a protest or an event. Now that the season is starting they get involved. If you can’t actually spend your own off time protesting it’s not even serious to them. It’s a worthless protest. You can’t be so emotionally investing in something you won’t do on your own time.

I've Thought That Kneeling As Protest Is Kinda Funny

They Often Bow Their Heads Too...

And yet they have no idea why they are doing either. That's funnier yet.

It cannot be any clearer. It says "I ain't your puppet".

Obedient robots have a hard time getting that.

Puppet of who?

When they protest, what they are saying is "I'm an ignorant jock. I have no conception about or laws or situations in that regard. I'm completely ignorant of what I'm protesting."

That's what I think every time I hear about these kneelings.

That may be what you think, or more likely claim to think, but it's clear the act means "I came here to play the game, not to be a marionette for your Pentagon Pimp and this blustering divisive demagogue". That's why you see a variety of reactions from sitting to kneeling to raised fists to locking arms to staying in, or going back to, the locker room. Those are all different acts but what they all have in common is they're not standing like a shill.

As I said this ain't rocket surgery; it's stating the obvious. It's the same thing I've done all my life at baseball games, yet nobody ever stuck a mic in my face and demanded to know why I wasn't being a good robot, although I would have been happy to explain.

Now you can choose to get all butthurt that there exist people who won't just roll over on command and prefer to come to our own decisions about our own behaviour rather than just slavishly following what some purported authority figure dictates but hey, that's on you.

So the question here is not "why aren't these people being good submissive robots?" but rather "why would you expect them to be?".

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

So in other words you are just going to ignore the whole point I just made about the rates of convictions being disproportionate based on an inherently biased criminal justice system?

Well.....when you have a group of people that commit a disproportionate amount of crime, you're going to have a disproportionate amount of convictions.

By the way, police brutality existed before LBJ's Great Society policies -- blacks were still being disproportionately convicted back then too -- even kids from two parent households can find themselves a victim of police brutality and a biased criminal justice system

All police incidents involving blacks have one thing in common: they didn't listen to the commands of a police officer. Do as a cop tells you to do, and most times there will be no problem.

So as long as Trump does as Mueller tells him to do, there shouldn't be any problem right?

If those folks at the Bundy Ranch would have just done with the cops told them to do, there wouldn't have been a need to have an armed stand off with the cops right?

But obviously, whenever right wing whites pick up a gun against law enforcement officers, they are just standing up for freedom.

Whenever a black man doesn't have a gun at all, and still gets shot, he had it coming -- he should have just listened - because it clearly states that you are allowed to kill people for not listening to you

Except for in the case of this guy, who actually followed police orders and was still shot...were you outraged about that?

By the way, the guy laying on his back and still getting shot was a mental health employee trying to stop the police from shooting the autistic guy who wasn't following police orders -- still shot the darker guy...oh well

Cop shoots caretaker of autistic man playing in the street with toy truck

 

[Pogo]

Kinda crazy how we spent an entire season off when not one NFL player had a protest or an event. Now that the season is starting they get involved. If you can’t actually spend your own off time protesting it’s not even serious to them. It’s a worthless protest. You can’t be so emotionally investing in something you won’t do on your own time.

Duh, it's sort of meaningless to protest without an audience. BTW, it has been reported that they do quite a lot on their own time to give back.

I wonder if during his "personal Vietnam" keeping New York sex clubs safe for hypocrisy he had the same objection to some comely young lass taking a kneeling position.... while his contemporaries were getting shot up in the jungle.

 

[Lakhota]

The New Orleans Saints defensive end said Trump was “acting out” like an “overly insecure prepubescent child.”

NFL Player Cameron Jordan Rips 'Goober' Donald Trump's Criticism Of Kneeling Protests

Amen!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, the reason behind the movement has been very clear -- they are protesting the lack of ACCOUNTABILITY by law enforcement and prosecutors when it comes to their reluctance to prosecute bad cops and even in cases were the officers were "FOUND" guilty -- they still receive relatively light sentences -- that is what the protests are geared towards

but for folks like you, you feel a rancher in Nevada not paying a million bucks in grazing fees is the real injustice worth having an armed standoff over.

Why don't you give me an example of what you're talking about. Every police shooting or accusation of brutality is investigated thoroughly, some are police even brought to charges even though they did everything by the book.

What these black players are protesting is that police don't go to jail for following the law. They are politically and legally ignorant. We don't lock up cops for doing something you don't like. That's how it works in the jungle, but not in a civilized society.

Here, police (and us armed citizens) have the right to use deadly force even against an unarmed attacker. These overpaid game players don't understand that. Like you, they have no knowledge that there are more whites (and unarmed whites) who get shot and killed by police every year than blacks, yet where are the white football players taking a knee for them?

And like you, they don't know anything about it because like you, they are merely media puppets who are told what to do instead of thinking for themselves. The MSM knows that when white people get shot, it won't start any protests, it won't start any riots, it won't cause people to attack private and public business or destroy police cars.

"second, if I did, and decided to still protest, I will accept the punishment, which in the case of the NFL is a fine" -- What about reading do you not like? Also, everyone's principles are not for sale, I know most conservatives are almost incapable of believing that fact, but its true -- some people stand on their principles despite financial losses

Which is why this man who was hated for his stance back then is so admired now by those who would have hated them back then

On principles? I guess that would explain all the black football players leaving the NFL.

 

[Timmy]

I think it's unfortunate as sporting events are rare opportunities where Americans can draw together for a couple hours of fun. I'm not about to espouse infringing on another's 1st A rights though! It's a private company and leadership can do whatever they want. I take great umbrage at the antics, but hey freedom covers even the repugnant. One's rights can't only extend to what one group of people espouse; thank God for all those who have bled and died in securing our freedoms in the first place...!

You’d think so . Accept at pretty much every game we are bombarded with pro war propaganda.