NFL kneelers

[kaz]

they claim to be protesting police brutality against blacks. So lets see here, because of a few incidents of police brutality, where in every case the cop in question has been punished, these idiots are willing to destroy the league that pays them millions to play a game?

There may be something to the IQ differential after all.

Once again --- where do you get "they claim" ---- which as far as I know is a plural ---- out of "Colin Kaepernick"?

Hm?

Or is this just another case of morphing the issue into something you wish it was because you can't deal with what it is?

Say it ain't so.

I agree. The kneelers are just disrespecting the country that is making them rich for playing a game. They aren't protesting anything specific

If that's what you need to tell yourself as you cry yourself to sleep over the revelation that not everybody is a sheep, I have to say I ain't surprised.

That made no sense in regard to my post. Your eyes are just watering from your searing Democrat party butt hurt

 

[Pogo]

Kinda crazy how we spent an entire season off when not one NFL player had a protest or an event. Now that the season is starting they get involved. If you can’t actually spend your own off time protesting it’s not even serious to them. It’s a worthless protest. You can’t be so emotionally investing in something you won’t do on your own time.

Actually, many NFL players put action behind their protest during the off season -- now you may not have heard about it because they didn't do it in a way to draw attention --also, because the liberal media didn't want to report on it, because of how liberal the media is and all..

But here is one example of why your post is a bunch of BS:

"After the anthem, and off the field, Jenkins’ push for social justice and racial equality continued. Along with four other NFL players, he traveled to Washington, D.C., for a meeting with lawmakers to discuss criminal justice reform."

When Malcolm Jenkins went on a ride along with Philly police he said: "There was a lot I wanted to accomplish by doing it. First, I wanted to kind of learn for myself before I went on advocating and making a lot of noise. I wanted to learn for myself, kind of both ends of the spectrum. What is it that officers are going through? What are their challenges? Their perspective on the issue. Or even if they believed that there was an issue. And then also being able to hear the voices of members of the community that have to deal with police interactions all the time. The third thing I wanted to do is document the conversations that came out of it, between myself and law enforcement."

Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins talks about his ride-along with Philly Police Department

So no, NFL players are not just protesting during the anthem and nothing else off the field, you wouldn't know or care because you don't see a problem to begin with --- but you same people are willing to declare the entire FBI and DOJ as being corrupt and I don't recall one single Trump official being shot unarmed.

Oooh, a handful of them. You’re right it sure didn’t make the news.

What exactly is social justice? Can you explain that one?

I will let Dr. King help you to understand what it means "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."

In other words, just because you are comfortable personally, the policies and current conditions that are challenges and injustices to others is still something you should GIVE A **** about -- if not actively, at least by simply acknowledging that those people have a right to protest those policies and/or conditions and take political action if need be

Doing so makes them no less of an American than you are -- every emancipation effort by every historically oppressed group of people have always been met with fierce opposition by those who were "comfortable"

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."


Very powerful words. Thank you.

Yes, powerful words. MLK would never have condoned disrespecting the anthem, the flag, or the country. You don't know much about MLK do you?

Without knowing him personally I doubt MLK, or any honest person, would condone deliberately perverting somebody else's position because you just can't handle what their position actually is.

But we've already covered that, haven't we. Until you can address the issue honestly, you're dismissed.

 

[Pogo]

they claim to be protesting police brutality against blacks. So lets see here, because of a few incidents of police brutality, where in every case the cop in question has been punished, these idiots are willing to destroy the league that pays them millions to play a game?

There may be something to the IQ differential after all.

Once again --- where do you get "they claim" ---- which as far as I know is a plural ---- out of "Colin Kaepernick"?

Hm?

Or is this just another case of morphing the issue into something you wish it was because you can't deal with what it is?

Say it ain't so.

I agree. The kneelers are just disrespecting the country that is making them rich for playing a game. They aren't protesting anything specific

If that's what you need to tell yourself as you cry yourself to sleep over the revelation that not everybody is a sheep, I have to say I ain't surprised.

That made no sense in regard to my post. Your eyes are just watering from your searing Democrat party butt hurt

It makes no sense to me either. It's simply an observation that I understand you're not capable of addressing such an issue on its own terms and are forced to set up a strawman barricade to protect your snowflaked ass lest your bubble be burst.

----------- Unless of course you can show the class where some "kneeler" did so to "disrespect the country". But inasmuch as you pulled that out of your ass I doubt you can. So no, it makes no sense to waddle around crowing "Don't tell me what you think- -- I'll tell you what you think!" That's why fascist mentality makes no sense, but it's the soup you choose to swim in, so --- your choice.

Next...

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Actually --- and I actually looked it up ---- I don't see one indication anywhere that Malcolm Jenkins is or was kneeling ON the football field.

Not one.one.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Kinda crazy how we spent an entire season off when not one NFL player had a protest or an event. Now that the season is starting they get involved. If you can’t actually spend your own off time protesting it’s not even serious to them. It’s a worthless protest. You can’t be so emotionally investing in something you won’t do on your own time.

The authoritarian right is indeed tedious and moronic.

That they obsess over this non-issue is a manifestation of true rightwing idiocy.

Had conservatives simply ignored what the players were doing from the outset, the demonstrations would have likely ended by now.

And for far too many on the right this is solely about race and conservatives’ unwarranted hostility with regard to issues that black Americans are concerned about.

If you have issues with so-called issues blacks are concerned about, you take that up with your Mayor, your Congress person, your Senator, not the audience of a sporting event.

AKA, the customers of their business.

If Clayton had a business and someone was wearing a Make America Great Again hat, how long do you think it would take him to what he calls violating first amendment rights violate the first amendment rights of his employee?

He's probably the one that smacked that hat off of the child eating a hamburger. LOL.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Kinda crazy how we spent an entire season off when not one NFL player had a protest or an event. Now that the season is starting they get involved. If you can’t actually spend your own off time protesting it’s not even serious to them. It’s a worthless protest. You can’t be so emotionally investing in something you won’t do on your own time.

Still against the 1st amendment I see, like 45.

Government is prosecuting kneelers? You're going to have to prove that, I call bull shit to that

I think he means that when Trump from his office as president was calling for NFL owners to fire NFL players -- which the owners could do, but people may have had a problem with Trump advocating for these players to face consequences for protesting.

I personally feel most of the president's animosity still stems from when he failed miserably to compete with the NFL years ago.

Of course, it couldn't be because he's thankful to be born in a country that allowed him the success he's had.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, the reason behind the movement has been very clear -- they are protesting the lack of ACCOUNTABILITY by law enforcement and prosecutors when it comes to their reluctance to prosecute bad cops and even in cases were the officers were "FOUND" guilty -- they still receive relatively light sentences -- that is what the protests are geared towards

but for folks like you, you feel a rancher in Nevada not paying a million bucks in grazing fees is the real injustice worth having an armed standoff over.

Why don't you give me an example of what you're talking about. Every police shooting or accusation of brutality is investigated thoroughly, some are police even brought to charges even though they did everything by the book.

What these black players are protesting is that police don't go to jail for following the law. They are politically and legally ignorant. We don't lock up cops for doing something you don't like. That's how it works in the jungle, but not in a civilized society.

Here, police (and us armed citizens) have the right to use deadly force even against an unarmed attacker. These overpaid game players don't understand that. Like you, they have no knowledge that there are more whites (and unarmed whites) who get shot and killed by police every year than blacks, yet where are the white football players taking a knee for them?

And like you, they don't know anything about it because like you, they are merely media puppets who are told what to do instead of thinking for themselves. The MSM knows that when white people get shot, it won't start any protests, it won't start any riots, it won't cause people to attack private and public business or destroy police cars.

"second, if I did, and decided to still protest, I will accept the punishment, which in the case of the NFL is a fine" -- What about reading do you not like? Also, everyone's principles are not for sale, I know most conservatives are almost incapable of believing that fact, but its true -- some people stand on their principles despite financial losses

Which is why this man who was hated for his stance back then is so admired now by those who would have hated them back then

On principles? I guess that would explain all the black football players leaving the NFL.

No the principle is that even with threat of their finances being affected by fines and loss sponsorships, they are still pushing forward with their protests -- not only that, they have the influence to sway public sentiment in their direction enough to withstand any retribution by the league owners or the president --- that is the fact that bothers you folks the most

You would much rather the black entertainer would just duck his head and keep dancing for massa -- no thanks..

Well now that there are penalties involved, let's see them face those fines.

 

[Siete]

disrespecting the country came out of Trumps ass - Hannity constantly repeated it - Trumpdrones and Fox fans believe everything that comes from Trump and Fox ... theres no way in hell anyone will ever convince them they're wrong and they were lied to .. FACTS BE DAMNED.

Same RW shit, different day - BIG F'N SURPRISE !!

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

disrespecting the country came out of Trumps ass - Hannity constantly repeated it - Trumpdrones and Fox fans believe everything that comes from Trump and Fox ... theres no way in hell anyone will ever convince them they're wrong and they were lied to .. FACTS BE DAMNED.

Same RW shit, different day - BIG F'N SURPRISE !!

But let's give the LW a total pass...because, ya know.....they can do no worng

'facts be damned"

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Whenever a black man doesn't have a gun at all, and still gets shot, he had it coming -- he should have just listened - because it clearly states that you are allowed to kill people for not listening to you

Except for in the case of this guy, who actually followed police orders and was still shot...were you outraged about that?

And what happened to the officer?

Yes, you can get shot for not listening because a move you make could be considered life threatening. In most all cases, a grand jury decides not to indict because the officer was within the law when he used deadly force.

If an unarmed man (of any race) approaches me in my car and tries to break in and I have nowhere to go, I can legally fill him with holes, and I won't even get a ticket yet alone charged. That's our law.

Well luckily in the case of the guy who totally followed police commands and was still shot -- luckily there was a guy recording it with a cell phone -- so that officer was charged -- that wouldn't have been the case otherwise. Now if that officer will be convicted, that remains to be seen..

As for your belief that police should be able to shoot anyone who walks up on them or approaches them in their car -- are you claiming that you are in support of this officer shooting this woman for approaching their car?

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It has nothing to do with cars. So I'll post our law here in the State of Ohio for CCW Holders: A licensed CCW holder is permitted to use deadly force if they believe they or others are in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death. That's our law and it's very similar to those in other states.

As for police officers that do not find themselves in such jeopardy, if they use deadly force, they are held accountable just like any other citizen. And I believe the case you're talking about (above) has not been investigated completely yet, and I'm sure everything will come out (pro or con) when the investigation is complete. Then we'll see what happens at that time.

The bottom line is that there is nothing to protest. When good police officers use justified deadly force, they are not charged. When bad cops use unjustified deadly force, they pay the consequences.

 

[DJT for Life]

disrespecting the country came out of Trumps ass - Hannity constantly repeated it - Trumpdrones and Fox fans believe everything that comes from Trump and Fox ... theres no way in hell anyone will ever convince them they're wrong and they were lied to .. FACTS BE DAMNED.

Same RW shit, different day - BIG F'N SURPRISE !!

We believe what we see, Shit for Brains.

91 black men shot in Chicago, last week, and not one NFL player said anything
about it. Not one Chicago Bear went down there. Not one Bear called
out the Mayor.

Why? Because the folks doing the shooting were Black, which doesn't
fit into the false narrative that these dumbasses cling to.

If they don't give a shit about other Blacks slaughtering Blacks why in
the hell would I give a shit? They could kill every ******* one of them for
all I care.

 

[Pogo]

Did he as the President forbid protesting? Did he as the President introduce legislation for an amendment repeal? Just what did this government official do that restricted free speech I ask you?

He said players kneeling before football games should be fired. I think Presidents kneeling before Putin should be fired.

Rump has since clarified this. "When I said 'Russia if you're listening I hope you can find the emails' that meant 'I hope you can't find the emails', just so that's clear. And while we're on the subject when I said I got more electoral votes than anybody since Reagan that meant fewer electoral votes; when I said we got more done than anybody since Truman that meant we got less done; and when I said it wasn't raining that meant it was, just as when I said I 'wasn't' mocking Serge Kovaleski. Also "go vote for Roy Moore" meant 'don't go vote for Roy Moore'.

But none of these were fuckups, because I'm very smart and I have the best words. It's your fault for not understanding these are double negatives and that's why you're all fake news.

And if John McCain dies I'll like people who were captured. As I've always said".

 

[kaz]

they claim to be protesting police brutality against blacks. So lets see here, because of a few incidents of police brutality, where in every case the cop in question has been punished, these idiots are willing to destroy the league that pays them millions to play a game?

There may be something to the IQ differential after all.

Once again --- where do you get "they claim" ---- which as far as I know is a plural ---- out of "Colin Kaepernick"?

Hm?

Or is this just another case of morphing the issue into something you wish it was because you can't deal with what it is?

Say it ain't so.

I agree. The kneelers are just disrespecting the country that is making them rich for playing a game. They aren't protesting anything specific

If that's what you need to tell yourself as you cry yourself to sleep over the revelation that not everybody is a sheep, I have to say I ain't surprised.

That made no sense in regard to my post. Your eyes are just watering from your searing Democrat party butt hurt

It makes no sense to me either. It's simply an observation that I understand you're not capable of addressing such an issue on its own terms and are forced to set up a strawman barricade to protect your snowflaked ass lest your bubble be burst.

----------- Unless of course you can show the class where some "kneeler" did so to "disrespect the country". But inasmuch as you pulled that out of your ass I doubt you can. So no, it makes no sense to waddle around crowing "Don't tell me what you think- -- I'll tell you what you think!" That's why fascist mentality makes no sense, but it's the soup you choose to swim in, so --- your choice.

Next...

You're such a dumb ass. They are kneeling specifically at the moment that they are playing the national anthem for Americans to just take a moment and appreciate the great country we live in. And you don't get the connection to protesting at that moment and disrespecting the country.

Too much white lightning, hillbilly.

Then there's how I blasted your ass and you call me a "snowflake." That made no sense at all. A snowflake melts, they don't blast your lazy, socialist ass, moron.

You gonna cry again?

 

[Pogo]

disrespecting the country came out of Trumps ass - Hannity constantly repeated it - Trumpdrones and Fox fans believe everything that comes from Trump and Fox ... theres no way in hell anyone will ever convince them they're wrong and they were lied to .. FACTS BE DAMNED.

Same RW shit, different day - BIG F'N SURPRISE !!

We believe what we see, Shit for Brains.

91 black men shot in Chicago, last week, and not one NFL player said anything
about it. Not one Chicago Bear went down there. Not one Bear called
out the Mayor.

Why?

Because the NFL teams are all in training camp?

Once again those with no idea what they're spewing about, don't let the fact that they're unarmed slow them down. Into the vallley of death rode they, and blundered.

 

[Pogo]

Once again --- where do you get "they claim" ---- which as far as I know is a plural ---- out of "Colin Kaepernick"?

Hm?

Or is this just another case of morphing the issue into something you wish it was because you can't deal with what it is?

Say it ain't so.

I agree. The kneelers are just disrespecting the country that is making them rich for playing a game. They aren't protesting anything specific

If that's what you need to tell yourself as you cry yourself to sleep over the revelation that not everybody is a sheep, I have to say I ain't surprised.

That made no sense in regard to my post. Your eyes are just watering from your searing Democrat party butt hurt

It makes no sense to me either. It's simply an observation that I understand you're not capable of addressing such an issue on its own terms and are forced to set up a strawman barricade to protect your snowflaked ass lest your bubble be burst.

----------- Unless of course you can show the class where some "kneeler" did so to "disrespect the country". But inasmuch as you pulled that out of your ass I doubt you can. So no, it makes no sense to waddle around crowing "Don't tell me what you think- -- I'll tell you what you think!" That's why fascist mentality makes no sense, but it's the soup you choose to swim in, so --- your choice.

Next...

You're such a dumb ass. They are kneeling specifically at the moment that they are playing the national anthem for Americans to just take a moment and appreciate the great country we live in. And you don't get the connection to protesting at that moment and disrespecting the country.

Too much white lightning, hillbilly.

Then there's how I blasted your ass and you call me a "snowflake." That made no sense at all. A snowflake melts, they don't blast your lazy, socialist ass, moron.

You gonna cry again?

Apparently you're still melting right here. In front of everybody.

The price of trying to dictate what other people think. You should know by now where that goes.

 

[Pogo]

Did he as the President forbid protesting? Did he as the President introduce legislation for an amendment repeal? Just what did this government official do that restricted free speech I ask you?

He said players kneeling before football games should be fired. I think Presidents kneeling before Putin should be fired.

that's his opinion, which is shared by a majority of football fans. But its up to owners, its their business that is being destroyed by these few morons.

Link to this "destroying"?

Exactly --- you can't link to your own sick fantasies.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The president is undergoing a Special Prosecutor's investigation, his former campaign chairman is on trial which could result in him dying in prison, his former deputy has plead guilty to crimes and has flipped against him, a New York Republican congressman has been indicted for stock fraud, our electoral system is still under attack by Russians, the family separation crisis is no where near resolved, and what does Trump and the Trumpians want to focus on?

Bright shiny things.

Those items you mentioned are the bright shiny things that libtards focus on. What libs don't realize is that those bright shiny things are really just lures used by other libtards on fishing expeditions.

Those items represent just a few of the legal and political problems keeping your boy in the White House awake at night. They are real, not like this NFL distraction.

That's funny! All of those problems you mentioned existed long before Trump became president.

 

[Pogo]

Oooh, a handful of them. You’re right it sure didn’t make the news.

What exactly is social justice? Can you explain that one?

I will let Dr. King help you to understand what it means "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."

In other words, just because you are comfortable personally, the policies and current conditions that are challenges and injustices to others is still something you should GIVE A **** about -- if not actively, at least by simply acknowledging that those people have a right to protest those policies and/or conditions and take political action if need be

Doing so makes them no less of an American than you are -- every emancipation effort by every historically oppressed group of people have always been met with fierce opposition by those who were "comfortable"

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."


Very powerful words. Thank you.

Yes, powerful words. MLK would never have condoned disrespecting the anthem, the flag, or the country. You don't know much about MLK do you?

As much as I have been making a fool out of you on this post, why do you keep trying to test me?

Yes, I know more about MLK than you do, or else you wouldn't have said that dumb shit you just said...guess you didn't know this MLK quote:

"As I have walked among the desperate, rejected, and angry young men, I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action. But they ask — and rightly so — what about Vietnam? They ask if our own nation wasn’t using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today — my own government.”

again, great words. Kennedy and Johnson's viet nam war cost us 58,000 American lives for absolutely nothing.

And what did Eisenhower's and Nixon's Vietnam war do?

Oopsie.

Who knew there were two different Vietnam wars, depending on who the POTUS was at the time.

 

[Pogo]

Sports is supposed to be an escape from the rigors of everyday life, is sucks when it becomes political.

This is truth. So you've been firing off strongly-worded letters at the Pentagon and the NFL for trotting in these fake patriotism charades at what was supposed to be a football game, haven't you.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Kinda crazy how we spent an entire season off when not one NFL player had a protest or an event. Now that the season is starting they get involved. If you can’t actually spend your own off time protesting it’s not even serious to them. It’s a worthless protest. You can’t be so emotionally investing in something you won’t do on your own time.

Actually, many NFL players put action behind their protest during the off season -- now you may not have heard about it because they didn't do it in a way to draw attention --also, because the liberal media didn't want to report on it, because of how liberal the media is and all..

But here is one example of why your post is a bunch of BS:

"After the anthem, and off the field, Jenkins’ push for social justice and racial equality continued. Along with four other NFL players, he traveled to Washington, D.C., for a meeting with lawmakers to discuss criminal justice reform."

When Malcolm Jenkins went on a ride along with Philly police he said: "There was a lot I wanted to accomplish by doing it. First, I wanted to kind of learn for myself before I went on advocating and making a lot of noise. I wanted to learn for myself, kind of both ends of the spectrum. What is it that officers are going through? What are their challenges? Their perspective on the issue. Or even if they believed that there was an issue. And then also being able to hear the voices of members of the community that have to deal with police interactions all the time. The third thing I wanted to do is document the conversations that came out of it, between myself and law enforcement."

Eagles safety Malcolm Jenkins talks about his ride-along with Philly Police Department

So no, NFL players are not just protesting during the anthem and nothing else off the field, you wouldn't know or care because you don't see a problem to begin with --- but you same people are willing to declare the entire FBI and DOJ as being corrupt and I don't recall one single Trump official being shot unarmed.

they say they are upset that there is a disproportionate number of blacks in prison----------------well, duh, a disproportionate number of blacks commit crimes. that is not a racist statement, its a statement of fact.

False, a disproportionate number of blacks are CONVICTED not arrested.

For example, even though whites and blacks used illegal drugs at the same rate, blacks are more likely to be CONVICTED -- so to idiots like yourself who don't understand the inherit bias in the justice system that even the Supreme Court recognized --- you think its just because blacks are criminals by their DNA

no, I don't think they are criminals by DNA, that's just stupid. The black crime rate is the direct results of generations of the liberal welfare state that has destroyed the black family. When women are financially incentivized to have kids outside of marriage the result is millions of young black boys being raised with no father figure in their lives, no one to teach them how to be a man, how to be responsible, and how to earn a living. If you want to place blame, put it where it belongs, on liberal societal policies.

"The black crime rate is the direct results of generations of the liberal welfare state that has destroyed the black family. "

More Hannity and Info Wars BS. Ever read up on Jim Crow laws?

So that's why all of the northern prisons are full of blacks? It was Jim Crow laws in the south? You are hilarious!

You could always read what the conservative leaning Supreme Court said about the criminal justice system -- but since most conservatives would rather wait for their talk radio masters to give them their talking points first, I will educate you. Here is what Justice Kennedy wrote in his judicial opinion for the majority 5 justices :

"The unmistakable principle underlying these precedents is that discrimination on the basis of race, odious in all aspects, is especially pernicious in the administration of justice," he wrote, adding that permitting racial prejudice in the jury system damages both the fact and the perception of the jury's role as a vital check against the wrongful exercise of power by the state."

Does the Supreme court admitting the obvious make them anti-white racists?

Reading is not your strong suit is it? That must be why y0u are a libtard.

One justice's writings do not make reality. I note with great glee that you continue your libtard tactics by failing to identify the source of these musings since I suspect that if you had, it would be easy to find a direct counter to that statement.

But then again, you are simply a libtard and thus incapable of intelligent thought and discussion.