Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

[P@triot]

Nobody talks about socialism being communism-- totalitarianism that owns all business and industry,

Bingo! Nobody talks about it. It’s the dirty little secret that they keep quiet to dupe dysfunctional morons such as yourself.

 

[dblack]

Government is socialism;

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The white knight is talking backwards.

 

[P@triot]

Next time you hear some immature, ignorant, idealist asshole defending socialism...

 

[francoHFW]

Nobody talks about socialism being communism-- totalitarianism that owns all business and industry,

Bingo! Nobody talks about it. It’s the dirty little secret that they keep quiet to dupe dysfunctional morons such as yourself.

So you think Bernie Sanders is a communist? Doesn't matter go ahead whatever LOL

 

[francoHFW]

Nobody talks about socialism being communism-- totalitarianism that owns all business and industry,

Bingo! Nobody talks about it. It’s the dirty little secret that they keep quiet to dupe dysfunctional morons such as yourself.

So you think Bernie Sanders is a communist? Doesn't matter go ahead whatever LOL

Or the Socialists who get elected in modern countries that are all totally for democracy fair capitalism and a good safety net. They already have it all we have nothing thanks to you and the scumbag GOP.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

you need an argument, not just fallacy (of ad hominem) like any right winger.

Followed by

the right wing is clueless and Causeless about economics. And, they don't Care.

 

[the other mike]

And your dumb ass needs to stop getting his economic philosophies from Karl Marx.

No I get my economic philosophies from old movies.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

That's bull. A doctor can be a great doctor and not be able to run a business. Would you want a surgeon cutting into you to be worrying about payroll, insurance, equipment maintenance etc. I sure as hell wouldn't and I wouldn't care if the Doctor flunked accounting as long as he was the best diagnostician or surgeon around

I could argue that Churchill never would have had a political career if not for WWII but he was an excellent war time leader

But that in no way means he was wrong about socialism

See, folks. THIS is how you identify and USE a fallacy to discredit an argument. NOT ONCE did he mention the obvious Appeal to Accomplishment. Rather, he identified the weakness and pointed out the logical flaw.

The wrong way:

"Appeal to Accomplishment. Ha Ha. I win."

Learn from it, people. (I'm looking at YOU DAN!!!)

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

ad hominems are nothing but fallacy.

followed by:

you need a superior argument to try to be a bigot.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I am not the troll; I have valid arguments.

Well, you should be a government spy....because if you can keep state secrets like you keep your "valid" arguments a secret, no amount of torture will crack you. You're a ******* vault.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It must since it is not Capitalism; and Capitalists "cannot own government".

You wrongly assume that if something is not Capitalism, it's automatically Socialism.

.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

What is Government? It cannot be Capitalism and must be a form of Socialism. Look it up in a dictionary.

And if you're not a Democrat, you MUST be a Republican, right?

 

[Blues Man]

You people define everything the government does as socialism but we all know you don't use the proper definition of the word

political Jargon from a dictionary is not any actual understanding of Socialism as concept. Besides, if you really want to quibble, it is about social-ism.

So now you call definitions of words jargon

do you know what jargon means?

jar·gon1
Dictionary result for jargon
/ˈjärɡən/
noun

1. special words or expressions that are used by a particular profession or group and are difficult for others to understand.

I'm not the one making up definitions here, you are

socialism had to be dumbed down for the right wing. the left doesn't get their understanding of concepts from dictionaries, only words.

We get our understanding of Concepts, from Encyclopedias, not Dictionaries.

And where do the people who write encyclopedias get the definitions of the words they use?

Socialism as a term has been in use for centuries.

When did it show up with that term, in dictionaries.

The McCarthy era?

Here's another word to look up

etymology

 

[Blues Man]

I did a college class some time ago and if I remember correctly there were over 150 types of socialism and only one type led to Communism. That one was Scientific Socialism. but that one type was used by so many as a fear word to scare the population, and it worked as conservatives intended.

And yet socialism has but one definition in the dictionary not 150

Political jargon provides that one definition for simplicity.

The dictionary definition is not jargon

you need to look up the word jargon

 

[22lcidw]

Nobody talks about socialism being communism-- totalitarianism that owns all business and industry,

Bingo! Nobody talks about it. It’s the dirty little secret that they keep quiet to dupe dysfunctional morons such as yourself.

So you think Bernie Sanders is a communist? Doesn't matter go ahead whatever LOL

Bernie Sanders is a Menshevik! Which will lead to Bolsheviks.

 

[Aletheia4u]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”

Poor people not allowed in AOC's luxury apartment complex
Poor people not allowed in AOC's luxury apartment complex

 

[Aletheia4u]

I'm tired of people going around spreading this mythical story that the Dems are socialist. They are not socialist, but crony capitalist. Everyone is attacking the little guy to spread the little money that they have around. But while corporate America raises their prices on their products and make sure that there are someone around to buy them. They pay politicians to make sure that there is clients to buy their way over-priced products. And to make sure to make it mandatory that everyone must use their products. The government were manipulating the public years ago into becoming guinea pigs for them. Using health scare tactics to convince them to go along with the corporation agendas..

 

[Aletheia4u]

Soros invested in GMO sugar cane that can be use to make Bio=fuel. But they needs lots of land in good climate in order to supply a portion of the world. They need to get rid of the people from South Africa, Honduras and Guatemala from off of these lands, in order for the to plant their crops to make big money. And the politicians who controls the masses, need to scare everyone about climate change, so that no one will get in their way. Crony capitalism.

 

[danielpalos]

Government is socialism;

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the right wing is clueless and Causeless. There are no true AnCaps with No Government.

 

[danielpalos]

you need an argument, not just fallacy (of ad hominem) like any right winger.

Followed by

the right wing is clueless and Causeless about economics. And, they don't Care.

i Must be Right even though i am on the left. The Right Wing has nothing but fallacy not any valid arguments.