Newsflash: more guns equals less violence

[NCC1701]

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/07/FT_14.07.10_Guns3.png

percentage who say they have a gun in their home: white 41% black 19%

...and

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

Homicide rate by offender, per 100,000
Blacks: 6.9
Whites: 1.23

More guns equals less violence!



homicide rate per 100,000 in
Britain (gun control): 1.0
Norway (gun culture): 2.0
Poland (gun control) : 1.2

Mapped: Which countries have the highest murder rates?



Not much different than white America, gun control makes no difference among homocide in whites.

Race, not guns, determines homicide rate. The liberal left will never say this

Poland is interesting....strict gun control, same homicide rate as white america


Although you won't see this brought up by any gun control advocate, Poland has long had some of the strictest firearms regimes in the world - surpassed only by a handful of countries such as Rwanda, Niger, Japan, and North Korea. The roots of this policy are difficult to pinpoint, but it may have had to do with the years of foreign partitions, followed by the Soviet-imposed communist rule; in those trying times, private militias must have been seen as a grave threat to the social order and to the personal safety of the ruling class. Whatever the original reasoning, the effects are plain to see: in today's Poland, there is almost no tradition of gun ownership or hobby shooting sports; the country averages just around one firearm per 100 residents, compared to almost seven in the UK, fifteen in Australia, sixteen in the Czech Republic, or thirty in Austria, Iceland, Finland, and Germany. It's likely that most Poles do not even know anyone who legally owns a gun.


lcamtuf's blog: Poland vs the United States: firearms

 

[NCC1701]

dinner is on libs, nobody hungry? does the fact that whites own more guns per capita but commit fewer violent crimes per capita hurt your tummy?

more guns, less crime

so simple even liberals can get it

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

And leftists do get it, many of them gun owners themselves and opposed to gun control. Only the extreme, whacked out of their gourds Leftists support gun control.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

“Newsflash: more guns equals less violence”

Newsflash: this fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

“Newsflash: more guns equals less violence”

Newsflash: this fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy.

Even eggheads would find that unintelligible. Stop trying to appear cerebral. You aren't fooling anyone.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/07/FT_14.07.10_Guns3.png

percentage who say they have a gun in their home: white 41% black 19%

...and

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

Homicide rate by offender, per 100,000
Blacks: 6.9
Whites: 1.23

More guns equals less violence!



homicide rate per 100,000 in
Britain (gun control): 1.0
Norway (gun culture): 2.0
Poland (gun control) : 1.2

Mapped: Which countries have the highest murder rates?



Not much different than white America, gun control makes no difference among homocide in whites.

Race, not guns, determines homicide rate. The liberal left will never say this

Poland is interesting....strict gun control, same homicide rate as white america


Although you won't see this brought up by any gun control advocate, Poland has long had some of the strictest firearms regimes in the world - surpassed only by a handful of countries such as Rwanda, Niger, Japan, and North Korea. The roots of this policy are difficult to pinpoint, but it may have had to do with the years of foreign partitions, followed by the Soviet-imposed communist rule; in those trying times, private militias must have been seen as a grave threat to the social order and to the personal safety of the ruling class. Whatever the original reasoning, the effects are plain to see: in today's Poland, there is almost no tradition of gun ownership or hobby shooting sports; the country averages just around one firearm per 100 residents, compared to almost seven in the UK, fifteen in Australia, sixteen in the Czech Republic, or thirty in Austria, Iceland, Finland, and Germany. It's likely that most Poles do not even know anyone who legally owns a gun.


lcamtuf's blog: Poland vs the United States: firearms

The conservative right will never admit to how stupid they are.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

And leftists do get it, many of them gun owners themselves and opposed to gun control. Only the extreme, whacked out of their gourds Leftists support gun control.

And another ignorant rightwing moron chimes in, further evidence of the stupidity common to most conservatives.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

dinner is on libs, nobody hungry? does the fact that whites own more guns per capita but commit fewer violent crimes per capita hurt your tummy?

more guns, less crime

so simple even liberals can get it

More conservatives, less intelligence.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

And leftists do get it, many of them gun owners themselves and opposed to gun control. Only the extreme, whacked out of their gourds Leftists support gun control.

And another ignorant rightwing moron chimes in, further evidence of the stupidity common to most conservatives.

Amazingly, you actually believe these are counter arguments. You really aren't that bright, are you?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

There is no ‘evidence’ more guns result in ‘less crime.’

Just as there’s no ‘evidence’ that more guns cause ‘more crime.’

The issue of crime and violence in America is far more complexed and involved than such sophomoric, simple-minded ‘explanations.’

And that black families have fewer guns in the home as compared to white families has no bearing whatsoever on African-Americans being subject to increased incidents of violence and crime, hence the fallacy.

Indeed, it’s idiocy to make such an inference, as there are many other factors that contribute to crime in black communities having nothing to do with guns – such as poverty, unemployment, and lack of education and training opportunities.

 

[westwall]

“Newsflash: more guns equals less violence”

Newsflash: this fails as a confusion of correlation and causation fallacy.

No, it doesn't. While any good scientist will tell you that correlation does not equal causation, it is a good beginning metric. What I find interesting is every rigorous study that has been done, always finds the same correlation. The question now would be why.

 

[2aguy]

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/07/FT_14.07.10_Guns3.png

percentage who say they have a gun in their home: white 41% black 19%

...and

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

Homicide rate by offender, per 100,000
Blacks: 6.9
Whites: 1.23

More guns equals less violence!



homicide rate per 100,000 in
Britain (gun control): 1.0
Norway (gun culture): 2.0
Poland (gun control) : 1.2

Mapped: Which countries have the highest murder rates?



Not much different than white America, gun control makes no difference among homocide in whites.

Race, not guns, determines homicide rate. The liberal left will never say this

Poland is interesting....strict gun control, same homicide rate as white america


Although you won't see this brought up by any gun control advocate, Poland has long had some of the strictest firearms regimes in the world - surpassed only by a handful of countries such as Rwanda, Niger, Japan, and North Korea. The roots of this policy are difficult to pinpoint, but it may have had to do with the years of foreign partitions, followed by the Soviet-imposed communist rule; in those trying times, private militias must have been seen as a grave threat to the social order and to the personal safety of the ruling class. Whatever the original reasoning, the effects are plain to see: in today's Poland, there is almost no tradition of gun ownership or hobby shooting sports; the country averages just around one firearm per 100 residents, compared to almost seven in the UK, fifteen in Australia, sixteen in the Czech Republic, or thirty in Austria, Iceland, Finland, and Germany. It's likely that most Poles do not even know anyone who legally owns a gun.


lcamtuf's blog: Poland vs the United States: firearms

It is the culture, not access to guns that determines the gun murder rate.......anti gunners refuse to understand this......because they are are not very bright.....or because they just hate guns...

Britain confiscated guns...and what happened...their gun crime rate stayed the same.....Guns are highly regulated in France, fully automatic weapons are completely illegal, but their criminals and terrorists get them easily.......

Japan....the Japanese people are law abiding....they have very little of any kind of crime....yet the Yakuza can get guns whenever they want them....most of the time the Yakuza bosses just want to make money, not kill each other over facebook insults......but when they did want to murder...they got guns and grenades easily...they almost had another gang war after the gang war in 2006........the thing that stopped it.....they increase the sentence for any gun crime to 30 years......that stopped it....

 

[NCC1701]

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/07/FT_14.07.10_Guns3.png

percentage who say they have a gun in their home: white 41% black 19%

...and

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

Homicide rate by offender, per 100,000
Blacks: 6.9
Whites: 1.23

More guns equals less violence!



homicide rate per 100,000 in
Britain (gun control): 1.0
Norway (gun culture): 2.0
Poland (gun control) : 1.2

Mapped: Which countries have the highest murder rates?



Not much different than white America, gun control makes no difference among homocide in whites.

Race, not guns, determines homicide rate. The liberal left will never say this

Poland is interesting....strict gun control, same homicide rate as white america


Although you won't see this brought up by any gun control advocate, Poland has long had some of the strictest firearms regimes in the world - surpassed only by a handful of countries such as Rwanda, Niger, Japan, and North Korea. The roots of this policy are difficult to pinpoint, but it may have had to do with the years of foreign partitions, followed by the Soviet-imposed communist rule; in those trying times, private militias must have been seen as a grave threat to the social order and to the personal safety of the ruling class. Whatever the original reasoning, the effects are plain to see: in today's Poland, there is almost no tradition of gun ownership or hobby shooting sports; the country averages just around one firearm per 100 residents, compared to almost seven in the UK, fifteen in Australia, sixteen in the Czech Republic, or thirty in Austria, Iceland, Finland, and Germany. It's likely that most Poles do not even know anyone who legally owns a gun.


lcamtuf's blog: Poland vs the United States: firearms

The conservative right will never admit to how stupid they are.

AlI wanted to really show is how much worse the 'less guns equals less violence' example is, so if correlation-causation is wrong in my example, it MUST be wrong on the left since you don't even have correlation.

But go ahead dumbass, show that race is not a causual factor.

 

[NCC1701]

There is no ‘evidence’ more guns result in ‘less crime.’

Just as there’s no ‘evidence’ that more guns cause ‘more crime.’

The issue of crime and violence in America is far more complexed and involved than such sophomoric, simple-minded ‘explanations.’

And that black families have fewer guns in the home as compared to white families has no bearing whatsoever on African-Americans being subject to increased incidents of violence and crime, hence the fallacy.

Indeed, it’s idiocy to make such an inference, as there are many other factors that contribute to crime in black communities having nothing to do with guns – such as poverty, unemployment, and lack of education and training opportunities.

ok good, you admit that gun control whackos have nothing.

Race is not an arbitrary factor, it is pretty uniform. West Virginia has poor uneducated whites, Mississippi has poor uneducated blacks, guess which is safer?

 

[NCC1701]

dinner is on libs, nobody hungry? does the fact that whites own more guns per capita but commit fewer violent crimes per capita hurt your tummy?

more guns, less crime

so simple even liberals can get it

More conservatives, less intelligence.

My correlation is correct, the liberals isn't, I'd say I have more on the ball

 

[Skull Pilot]

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/07/FT_14.07.10_Guns3.png

percentage who say they have a gun in their home: white 41% black 19%

...and

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

Homicide rate by offender, per 100,000
Blacks: 6.9
Whites: 1.23

More guns equals less violence!



homicide rate per 100,000 in
Britain (gun control): 1.0
Norway (gun culture): 2.0
Poland (gun control) : 1.2

Mapped: Which countries have the highest murder rates?



Not much different than white America, gun control makes no difference among homocide in whites.

Race, not guns, determines homicide rate. The liberal left will never say this

Poland is interesting....strict gun control, same homicide rate as white america


Although you won't see this brought up by any gun control advocate, Poland has long had some of the strictest firearms regimes in the world - surpassed only by a handful of countries such as Rwanda, Niger, Japan, and North Korea. The roots of this policy are difficult to pinpoint, but it may have had to do with the years of foreign partitions, followed by the Soviet-imposed communist rule; in those trying times, private militias must have been seen as a grave threat to the social order and to the personal safety of the ruling class. Whatever the original reasoning, the effects are plain to see: in today's Poland, there is almost no tradition of gun ownership or hobby shooting sports; the country averages just around one firearm per 100 residents, compared to almost seven in the UK, fifteen in Australia, sixteen in the Czech Republic, or thirty in Austria, Iceland, Finland, and Germany. It's likely that most Poles do not even know anyone who legally owns a gun.


lcamtuf's blog: Poland vs the United States: firearms

Nerd hat tip for the screen name

 

[NCC1701]

http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/07/FT_14.07.10_Guns3.png

percentage who say they have a gun in their home: white 41% black 19%

...and

Expanded Homicide Data Table 6

Homicide rate by offender, per 100,000
Blacks: 6.9
Whites: 1.23

More guns equals less violence!



homicide rate per 100,000 in
Britain (gun control): 1.0
Norway (gun culture): 2.0
Poland (gun control) : 1.2

Mapped: Which countries have the highest murder rates?



Not much different than white America, gun control makes no difference among homocide in whites.

Race, not guns, determines homicide rate. The liberal left will never say this

Poland is interesting....strict gun control, same homicide rate as white america


Although you won't see this brought up by any gun control advocate, Poland has long had some of the strictest firearms regimes in the world - surpassed only by a handful of countries such as Rwanda, Niger, Japan, and North Korea. The roots of this policy are difficult to pinpoint, but it may have had to do with the years of foreign partitions, followed by the Soviet-imposed communist rule; in those trying times, private militias must have been seen as a grave threat to the social order and to the personal safety of the ruling class. Whatever the original reasoning, the effects are plain to see: in today's Poland, there is almost no tradition of gun ownership or hobby shooting sports; the country averages just around one firearm per 100 residents, compared to almost seven in the UK, fifteen in Australia, sixteen in the Czech Republic, or thirty in Austria, Iceland, Finland, and Germany. It's likely that most Poles do not even know anyone who legally owns a gun.


lcamtuf's blog: Poland vs the United States: firearms

It is the culture, not access to guns that determines the gun murder rate.......anti gunners refuse to understand this......because they are are not very bright.....or because they just hate guns...

Britain confiscated guns...and what happened...their gun crime rate stayed the same.....Guns are highly regulated in France, fully automatic weapons are completely illegal, but their criminals and terrorists get them easily.......

Japan....the Japanese people are law abiding....they have very little of any kind of crime....yet the Yakuza can get guns whenever they want them....most of the time the Yakuza bosses just want to make money, not kill each other over facebook insults......but when they did want to murder...they got guns and grenades easily...they almost had another gang war after the gang war in 2006........the thing that stopped it.....they increase the sentence for any gun crime to 30 years......that stopped it....

yup, liberals will not quit their lying about this, they are both dumb and dishonest

 

[NCC1701]

White America has about the same homicide rate as most of Europe, black America about the same as sub sahara Africa

Homicide rate per 100,000 inhabitants in 2012. 0–1 1–2 2–5 5–10 10–20 >20

(colors wont come through, but you get the picture, darker is bad)

occams razor, works pretty well, but lets have it, let's have the liberal 'but well racism, jobs.... blah, blah, blah' as if they have a full casual understanding.