New POLL: 72% of Americans choose saving lives over the health of the U.S. Economy.

[Polishprince]

We need to start seeing the economic models as well so people have a better picture of the impacts of various scenarios as well.

The data is there I'm sure and it should be presented to the American people so they know what that is going to look like as well.

I definitely agree. If the people are walking into a situation with open eyes and decide to sink the economy for a 100 generations for a slightly better outcome with this coronavirus bullshit, that's fine.

But people have to have the information so they can realistically count the cost in living standards and weigh it against any benefit.

I don't like the idea of people pretending that there is no cost associated with a long term economic lockdown

 

[WEATHER53]

Do these people think letting the economy crash will have no negative impact or cost lives just curious if they consider that. It's rather sad that we have become such an either or society and that we now believe we can't try and accomplish both keeping people safe and saving the economy.

Yes, no focus on slowing the curve. Because as we've been advised by an Orange Turd, MILLIONS would be committing suicide!

So why hasn’t the curve been flattened in NY, where #PresidentCuomo is in charge?

Doesn't have a damn thing to do with politics. It has to do with incompetency at the top.

So where is the Democrat plan to deal with it? Two months ago they were telling us President Trump was the greatest threat to national security, not a virus spreading through Asia.

The Democrats were right... The Virus could been handled, US was the last big first world country to have to deal with it but Trump incompetence and lack of preparation has seen US having the highest rates of growth daily... Unfortunately this is going to get worse... NYC is far better set up health system especially public health than many other states...
Generally speaking the worse health systems in US are in red states...

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/health-care

Like everything you offer it’s emotional theory over how things could/should have been handled differently. No proof and nothing in the present moment to move us forwRd
Cowboy Ted is such an obvious fake name, some foreigner thinking he will fool people over the American Cowboy mistique and trying to look genuine while being, you guessed it- Fake

 

[bripat9643]

So far we have 300k people infected in a short time with social distancing. I can’t believe some of you are still downplaying this.

How many do we have every year with the flu?

Yeah this is spreading much faster than the flu. Are you denying that?

Because it is new......we don't have a ready vaccine...but it is no deadlier than the flu...

Do you understand the destruction to people that will happen if we go into a Great Depression? Do you? How do people buy food with no jobs and no money? For years if not a decade or more?

Do you understand the consequences of that? How many will die because of that? Do you understand or care?

It’s no deadline than the flue because you say so, but as of today it’s 20x more deadly. Believe me I want to get back to a normal economy, but there won’t be a normal economy if people are getting sick and dropping like flies. We are forced to mitigate the virus. We can’t just go back to normal because that’s what you want.

People aren't dropping like flies....people who are over 80 with complications are dying.......and they are vulnerable to the seasonal flu the same way.........

theres a lot of people in this country that are not old and still fall into higher risk categories. And I’m not willing to give up on the lives of my parents. I trust the experts that what we’re doing will save lives. You don’t or you don’t care. Let’s just leave it at that.

Do whatever you like for your parents, but you don't have the right to deny a paycheck to tens of millions of Americans because your parents might get corona virus.

Whom am I denying a paycheck to? I simply agree with the government and the experts on their recommended guidelines. Do I have to share the same opinion as yours, otherwise I’m denying checks to people?

What an idiot. What do you imagine you are demanding when you insist the entire economy shutdown? You're telling us that tens of millions of people aren't entitled to earn a living.

You're a moron who isn't worth debating.

 

[bripat9643]

So far we have 300k people infected in a short time with social distancing. I can’t believe some of you are still downplaying this.

How many do we have every year with the flu?

Yeah this is spreading much faster than the flu. Are you denying that?

Because it is new......we don't have a ready vaccine...but it is no deadlier than the flu...

Do you understand the destruction to people that will happen if we go into a Great Depression? Do you? How do people buy food with no jobs and no money? For years if not a decade or more?

Do you understand the consequences of that? How many will die because of that? Do you understand or care?

It’s no deadline than the flue because you say so, but as of today it’s 20x more deadly. Believe me I want to get back to a normal economy, but there won’t be a normal economy if people are getting sick and dropping like flies. We are forced to mitigate the virus. We can’t just go back to normal because that’s what you want.

People aren't dropping like flies....people who are over 80 with complications are dying.......and they are vulnerable to the seasonal flu the same way.........

theres a lot of people in this country that are not old and still fall into higher risk categories. And I’m not willing to give up on the lives of my parents. I trust the experts that what we’re doing will save lives. You don’t or you don’t care. Let’s just leave it at that.

Do whatever you like for your parents, but you don't have the right to deny a paycheck to tens of millions of Americans because your parents might get corona virus.

like I said - stupid shits want this damn virus over, but they refuse to do anything about it.


quit whining

I want the shut down over. I don't give a damn about the virus. I don't care if your grandmother dies. Tell her to quit whining and get on with it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So far we have 300k people infected in a short time with social distancing. I can’t believe some of you are still downplaying this.

How many do we have every year with the flu?

Coronavirus Fact-Check #1: “Covid19 is having an unprecedented impact on ICUs” The media claim this pandemic’s effect on hospitals around the world has never been seen before, but is that true?

This the first of a new on-going series of micro-articles tackling the prevailing, media-generated talking points of on Sars-Cov2 and Covid19.

Coronavirus Fact-Check #1: “Covid19 is having an unprecedented impact on ICUs”

This the first of a new on-going series of micro-articles tackling the prevailing, media-generated talking points of on Sars-Cov2 and Covid19. Those of you who have spent any time debating or discu…

off-guardian.org

". . .Those of you who have spent any time debating or discussing the current coronavirus “pandemic” on social media will almost certainly have encountered an argument that goes something like this:

“Coronavirus is nothing like the flu, the seasonal flu doesn’t overwhelm health services like this.”

But is this true? We’ve done some research.

In 2018 hospitals all across the United States were full to capacity with flu patients. Alabama declared a state of emergency. Elective surgeries were cancelled, patients were turned away.

California hospitals were “war zones” where people were treated in hastily erected tents.

The same year ICUs in Milan were “totally overrun” with flu cases.

In December of 2019 the NHS had to implement “emergency temporary beds” in 52% of its hospitals to account for their regular “winter crisis”. Most of those hospitals still had temporary beds operating from the previous winter.

Last November experts were publishing reports warning that the NHS was under too much pressure to deal with the seasonal flu.

The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic turned out to be no worse than a bad flu season in the end, but nevertheless had a huge impact on hospitals across the United States.. . . . (MORE)"

Oh look at the guy being brainwashed by the media and not thinking for himself....

The Guardian is MSM. It is littered with MI6 agents.

OffGuardian was founded by former journalists when The Guardian banned commenters that called out lies on the Guardian.


"About Off-Guardian

Comment is free but facts are sacred CP Scott, former editor of the Guardian

OffGuardian was launched in February 2015 and takes its name from the fact its five founders had all been censored on and/or banned from the Guardian’s ‘Comment is Free’ sections.
Our remit, as we see it, is to provide a home for the comment – & the facts – you no longer find in the MSM.
Our editors & admins are based around the globe, in North America, Britain, and Southern and Eastern Europe."
https://off-guardian.org/about

You will note; from SPR (Swiss Propaganda Research) Off Guardian is further from the Nexus of power, than establishment media is than all the sources I EVER see you post from. . . .

I studied Chomsky and Bernays buddy. Sorry if you don't like reality. Trust me on this, 2aguy often does not like what I post either. . . I am the most nonpartisan person on this site. Ask anyone. I'm so non-aligned, most just think I am a conspiracy theorist because they do not grasp, nor understand my deep knowledge of interest group politics, the interlocking directorate, revolving door politics, iron triangles and stake holding interests.

This is the site recommended by Assange for unbiased analysis of all western media, check it out sometime, they are doing a stellar job covering the pandemic . . .

https://swprs.org/media-navigator/

Translation: it's where you turn for affirmation of your idiotic Trump talking points.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I want the shut down over. I don't give a damn about the virus.

Well, that's why we listen to scientists and not uneducated slobs on the internet.

 

[Fueri]

We need to start seeing the economic models as well so people have a better picture of the impacts of various scenarios as well.

The data is there I'm sure and it should be presented to the American people so they know what that is going to look like as well.

I definitely agree. If the people are walking into a situation with open eyes and decide to sink the economy for a 100 generations for a slightly better outcome with this coronavirus bullshit, that's fine.

But people have to have the information so they can realistically count the cost in living standards and weigh it against any benefit.

I don't like the idea of people pretending that there is no cost associated with a long term economic lockdown

Exactly. Right now they've been bombarded with data from the medical side which has some convinced we must do anything, no matter the cost. That's a moral decision. Fine. I get it, but we have not gotten similar information on the economic cost, which is directly related to these decisions, which would allow people to make an informed decision as to whether or not they agree with a given path.

Either way, we deserve to know how a given path impacts us economically.

 

[bripat9643]

So far we have 300k people infected in a short time with social distancing. I can’t believe some of you are still downplaying this.

How many do we have every year with the flu?

Yeah this is spreading much faster than the flu. Are you denying that?

Because it is new......we don't have a ready vaccine...but it is no deadlier than the flu...

Do you understand the destruction to people that will happen if we go into a Great Depression? Do you? How do people buy food with no jobs and no money? For years if not a decade or more?

Do you understand the consequences of that? How many will die because of that? Do you understand or care?

It’s no deadline than the flue because you say so, but as of today it’s 20x more deadly. Believe me I want to get back to a normal economy, but there won’t be a normal economy if people are getting sick and dropping like flies. We are forced to mitigate the virus. We can’t just go back to normal because that’s what you want.

People aren't dropping like flies....people who are over 80 with complications are dying.......and they are vulnerable to the seasonal flu the same way.........

theres a lot of people in this country that are not old and still fall into higher risk categories. And I’m not willing to give up on the lives of my parents. I trust the experts that what we’re doing will save lives. You don’t or you don’t care. Let’s just leave it at that.

Not saying you have to put them at risk.......we can protect them while we go back to living normally. Those "experts," are wrong more often than they are right...considering the ones who told us about how many people this would kill are stating their models weren't right about the 1-2.5 million and are now backing down on the 100-200 thousand number...........

The other experts....on the economy, are stating that we will lose 1000-4000 people per percentage loss in the economy.........as many people as the virus might kill....and that will be more as the economy stays in a Depression...

Do you care about those old people who die due to the Great Depression?

It isn't just lives from the virus....it will be lives in greater numbers when the economy crashes.

The same experts who are telling us to continue the shutdown for a year told us that face masks didn't do any good for the general population. They later admitted that they were lying when they said that. Now they are admitting that face masks are beneficial to the general population.

Why should anyone believe these douchebags?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Either way, we deserve to know how a given path impacts us economically.

But it will be educated liberals telling you that. Are you sure they can be trusted?!?!

 

[bripat9643]

I want the shut down over. I don't give a damn about the virus.

Well, that's why we listen to scientists and not uneducated slobs on the internet.

The same "scientists" who said that face mask would provide any benefits to the general population?

 

[bripat9643]

Either way, we deserve to know how a given path impacts us economically.

But it will be educated liberals telling you that. Are you sure they can be trusted?!?!

No.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The same experts who are telling us to continue the shutdown for a year

(They don't exist)

for a year told us that face masks didn't do any good for the general population.

(Never said by any expert, much less the unicorns bripat just invented out of thin air)

 

[WEATHER53]

Part of liberal dysfunction, particularly in inner cities, is abandon the consequences for the future to engage in the pleasures of now

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Part of liberal dysfunction, particularly in inner cities, is abandon the consequences for the future to engage in the pleasures of now

*Proceeds to violate expert Covid-19 recommendations for personal pleasure....

 

[MisterBeale]

So far we have 300k people infected in a short time with social distancing. I can’t believe some of you are still downplaying this.

How many do we have every year with the flu?

Coronavirus Fact-Check #1: “Covid19 is having an unprecedented impact on ICUs” The media claim this pandemic’s effect on hospitals around the world has never been seen before, but is that true?

This the first of a new on-going series of micro-articles tackling the prevailing, media-generated talking points of on Sars-Cov2 and Covid19.

Coronavirus Fact-Check #1: “Covid19 is having an unprecedented impact on ICUs”

This the first of a new on-going series of micro-articles tackling the prevailing, media-generated talking points of on Sars-Cov2 and Covid19. Those of you who have spent any time debating or discu…

off-guardian.org

". . .Those of you who have spent any time debating or discussing the current coronavirus “pandemic” on social media will almost certainly have encountered an argument that goes something like this:

“Coronavirus is nothing like the flu, the seasonal flu doesn’t overwhelm health services like this.”

But is this true? We’ve done some research.

In 2018 hospitals all across the United States were full to capacity with flu patients. Alabama declared a state of emergency. Elective surgeries were cancelled, patients were turned away.

California hospitals were “war zones” where people were treated in hastily erected tents.

The same year ICUs in Milan were “totally overrun” with flu cases.

In December of 2019 the NHS had to implement “emergency temporary beds” in 52% of its hospitals to account for their regular “winter crisis”. Most of those hospitals still had temporary beds operating from the previous winter.

Last November experts were publishing reports warning that the NHS was under too much pressure to deal with the seasonal flu.

The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic turned out to be no worse than a bad flu season in the end, but nevertheless had a huge impact on hospitals across the United States.. . . . (MORE)"

Oh look at the guy being brainwashed by the media and not thinking for himself....

The Guardian is MSM. It is littered with MI6 agents.

OffGuardian was founded by former journalists when The Guardian banned commenters that called out lies on the Guardian.


"About Off-Guardian

Comment is free but facts are sacred CP Scott, former editor of the Guardian

OffGuardian was launched in February 2015 and takes its name from the fact its five founders had all been censored on and/or banned from the Guardian’s ‘Comment is Free’ sections.
Our remit, as we see it, is to provide a home for the comment – & the facts – you no longer find in the MSM.
Our editors & admins are based around the globe, in North America, Britain, and Southern and Eastern Europe."
https://off-guardian.org/about

You will note; from SPR (Swiss Propaganda Research) Off Guardian is further from the Nexus of power, than establishment media is than all the sources I EVER see you post from. . . .

I studied Chomsky and Bernays buddy. Sorry if you don't like reality. Trust me on this, 2aguy often does not like what I post either. . . I am the most nonpartisan person on this site. Ask anyone. I'm so non-aligned, most just think I am a conspiracy theorist because they do not grasp, nor understand my deep knowledge of interest group politics, the interlocking directorate, revolving door politics, iron triangles and stake holding interests.

This is the site recommended by Assange for unbiased analysis of all western media, check it out sometime, they are doing a stellar job covering the pandemic . . .

https://swprs.org/media-navigator/

Translation: it's where you turn for affirmation of your idiotic Trump talking points.

I suggest you check you translator, it's broken.

 

[bripat9643]

So far we have 300k people infected in a short time with social distancing. I can’t believe some of you are still downplaying this.

How many do we have every year with the flu?

Yeah this is spreading much faster than the flu. Are you denying that?

Because it is new......we don't have a ready vaccine...but it is no deadlier than the flu...

Do you understand the destruction to people that will happen if we go into a Great Depression? Do you? How do people buy food with no jobs and no money? For years if not a decade or more?

Do you understand the consequences of that? How many will die because of that? Do you understand or care?

It’s no deadline than the flue because you say so, but as of today it’s 20x more deadly. Believe me I want to get back to a normal economy, but there won’t be a normal economy if people are getting sick and dropping like flies. We are forced to mitigate the virus. We can’t just go back to normal because that’s what you want.

People aren't dropping like flies....people who are over 80 with complications are dying.......and they are vulnerable to the seasonal flu the same way.........

Only folks over 80 is a lie.

Lives lost for the "progress" of capital is nothing new in america. It is how we got here after all, current pandemic shortages and all. We allow tens of thousands to die annually of the flu, fvck it, hellthcare in america is for profit. Societal priorities, our "way of life's" consequences. We allow tens of thousands to die annually of lack of hellthcare coverage. We will allow millions more to join the uninsured due to COVID-19 job losses

Infection Trajectory: See Which Countries are Flattening Their COVID-19 Curve

The number of COVID-19 cases around the world continues to grow, but each country has a different infection trajectory. This chart tells the story.

www.visualcapitalist.com

As you watch our trajectory soar like an eagle, remind your MAGA self that the US and S Korea both diagnosed their first COVID-19 cases on the same day, Jan21.

Fweedumb.

95% of them are over 75

 

[Polishprince]

We need to start seeing the economic models as well so people have a better picture of the impacts of various scenarios as well.

The data is there I'm sure and it should be presented to the American people so they know what that is going to look like as well.

I definitely agree. If the people are walking into a situation with open eyes and decide to sink the economy for a 100 generations for a slightly better outcome with this coronavirus bullshit, that's fine.

But people have to have the information so they can realistically count the cost in living standards and weigh it against any benefit.

I don't like the idea of people pretending that there is no cost associated with a long term economic lockdown

Exactly. Right now they've been bombarded with data from the medical side which has some convinced we must do anything, no matter the cost. That's a moral decision. Fine. I get it, but we have not gotten similar information on the economic cost, which is directly related to these decisions, which would allow people to make an informed decision as to whether or not they agree with a given path.

Either way, we deserve to know how a given path impacts us economically.

I think the death/infection numbers are being cooked. The Ohio Dept of Health said on 12 March that 100,000 Ohioites were infected and the number was doubling every 6 days. Puts the number of infected now at more than a million in Ohio.

Yet, less than a hundred had died in the whole state, that's a death rate of less than 0.01%. A whole lot less than the 2 and 3 percent they have been jabbering about.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So far we have 300k people infected in a short time with social distancing. I can’t believe some of you are still downplaying this.

How many do we have every year with the flu?

Coronavirus Fact-Check #1: “Covid19 is having an unprecedented impact on ICUs” The media claim this pandemic’s effect on hospitals around the world has never been seen before, but is that true?

This the first of a new on-going series of micro-articles tackling the prevailing, media-generated talking points of on Sars-Cov2 and Covid19.

Coronavirus Fact-Check #1: “Covid19 is having an unprecedented impact on ICUs”

This the first of a new on-going series of micro-articles tackling the prevailing, media-generated talking points of on Sars-Cov2 and Covid19. Those of you who have spent any time debating or discu…

off-guardian.org

". . .Those of you who have spent any time debating or discussing the current coronavirus “pandemic” on social media will almost certainly have encountered an argument that goes something like this:

“Coronavirus is nothing like the flu, the seasonal flu doesn’t overwhelm health services like this.”

But is this true? We’ve done some research.

In 2018 hospitals all across the United States were full to capacity with flu patients. Alabama declared a state of emergency. Elective surgeries were cancelled, patients were turned away.

California hospitals were “war zones” where people were treated in hastily erected tents.

The same year ICUs in Milan were “totally overrun” with flu cases.

In December of 2019 the NHS had to implement “emergency temporary beds” in 52% of its hospitals to account for their regular “winter crisis”. Most of those hospitals still had temporary beds operating from the previous winter.

Last November experts were publishing reports warning that the NHS was under too much pressure to deal with the seasonal flu.

The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic turned out to be no worse than a bad flu season in the end, but nevertheless had a huge impact on hospitals across the United States.. . . . (MORE)"

Oh look at the guy being brainwashed by the media and not thinking for himself....

The Guardian is MSM. It is littered with MI6 agents.

OffGuardian was founded by former journalists when The Guardian banned commenters that called out lies on the Guardian.


"About Off-Guardian

Comment is free but facts are sacred CP Scott, former editor of the Guardian

OffGuardian was launched in February 2015 and takes its name from the fact its five founders had all been censored on and/or banned from the Guardian’s ‘Comment is Free’ sections.
Our remit, as we see it, is to provide a home for the comment – & the facts – you no longer find in the MSM.
Our editors & admins are based around the globe, in North America, Britain, and Southern and Eastern Europe."
https://off-guardian.org/about

You will note; from SPR (Swiss Propaganda Research) Off Guardian is further from the Nexus of power, than establishment media is than all the sources I EVER see you post from. . . .

I studied Chomsky and Bernays buddy. Sorry if you don't like reality. Trust me on this, 2aguy often does not like what I post either. . . I am the most nonpartisan person on this site. Ask anyone. I'm so non-aligned, most just think I am a conspiracy theorist because they do not grasp, nor understand my deep knowledge of interest group politics, the interlocking directorate, revolving door politics, iron triangles and stake holding interests.

This is the site recommended by Assange for unbiased analysis of all western media, check it out sometime, they are doing a stellar job covering the pandemic . . .

https://swprs.org/media-navigator/

Translation: it's where you turn for affirmation of your idiotic Trump talking points.

I suggest you check you translator, it's broken.

I suggest idiots like you be relegated to anonymous message boards where nobody takes you seriously and you have less effect on reality.

Oh wait, that's already the case, I'm good...

 

[Fueri]

Either way, we deserve to know how a given path impacts us economically.

But it will be educated liberals telling you that. Are you sure they can be trusted?!?!

You think economists are all liberals I take it. Ok, you roll with that.

And, FTR, I wouldn't care if it was a mangy dog with an alcohol abuse problem that worked the model up if it was accurate. If the libs want to take credit for it, I don't care. This is bigger than us vs. them and I've been consistently saying that for a relatively long time here on this board. We can get back to the backbiting when this is over.

Anyway, giving people an insight into how this impacts us economically shouldn't even be controversial, IMO.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

So far we have 300k people infected in a short time with social distancing. I can’t believe some of you are still downplaying this.

How many do we have every year with the flu?

Yeah this is spreading much faster than the flu. Are you denying that?

Because it is new......we don't have a ready vaccine...but it is no deadlier than the flu...

Do you understand the destruction to people that will happen if we go into a Great Depression? Do you? How do people buy food with no jobs and no money? For years if not a decade or more?

Do you understand the consequences of that? How many will die because of that? Do you understand or care?

It’s no deadline than the flue because you say so, but as of today it’s 20x more deadly. Believe me I want to get back to a normal economy, but there won’t be a normal economy if people are getting sick and dropping like flies. We are forced to mitigate the virus. We can’t just go back to normal because that’s what you want.

People aren't dropping like flies....people who are over 80 with complications are dying.......and they are vulnerable to the seasonal flu the same way.........

Only folks over 80 is a lie.

Lives lost for the "progress" of capital is nothing new in america. It is how we got here after all, current pandemic shortages and all. We allow tens of thousands to die annually of the flu, fvck it, hellthcare in america is for profit. Societal priorities, our "way of life's" consequences. We allow tens of thousands to die annually of lack of hellthcare coverage. We will allow millions more to join the uninsured due to COVID-19 job losses

Infection Trajectory: See Which Countries are Flattening Their COVID-19 Curve

The number of COVID-19 cases around the world continues to grow, but each country has a different infection trajectory. This chart tells the story.

www.visualcapitalist.com

As you watch our trajectory soar like an eagle, remind your MAGA self that the US and S Korea both diagnosed their first COVID-19 cases on the same day, Jan21.

Fweedumb.

95% of them are over 75

Love to see your "data".

Oh well, then fvck them, who cares. We're all about fweedumb and equawity for all-n-shit.