New POLL: 72% of Americans choose saving lives over the health of the U.S. Economy.

[MisterBeale]

.. . .. but you know what I think are the best sources? Citizen journalists. Folks on the ground, doing their own research.

 

[MisterBeale]

So far we have 300k people infected in a short time with social distancing. I can’t believe some of you are still downplaying this.

How many do we have every year with the flu?

Yeah this is spreading much faster than the flu. Are you denying that?

How would we know? I haven't seen any figures published on how contagious each disease is.

How about Anthony Fauci?

"Top infectious disease expert" Anthony Fauci said a little more than a month ago that this Covid-19 crap amounts to nothing more than a bad flu year.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387?fbclid=IwAR00JE4Ap4dHsH7lHdgTc-8hUeMqFkrsrlIYq9VGkLwSt9AAk89UjKoolbc

". . .On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

The efficiency of transmission for any respiratory virus has important implications for containment and mitigation strategies. The current study indicates an estimated basic reproduction number (R0) of 2.2, which means that, on average, each infected person spreads the infection to an additional two persons. As the authors note, until this number falls below 1.0, it is likely that the outbreak will continue to spread. Recent reports of high titers of virus in the oropharynx early in the course of disease arouse concern about increased infectivity during the period of minimal symptoms.6,7. . . "

 

[georgephillip]

New POLL: 72% of Americans choose saving lives over the health of the U.S. Economy.

Americans support drastic efforts to stop coronavirus, expect crisis to last for months in Public Agenda/USA TODAY/Ipsos poll
Joel Shannon, USA TODAY
USA TODAYApril 3, 2020, 4:30 AM EDT

The poll, conducted March 27-30 on behalf of Public Agenda and USA TODAY, surveyed U.S. adults as a part of the Hidden Common Ground initiative, which aims to examine issues that divide America along with potential solutions. The online poll has a credibility interval, akin to a margin of error, of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
Americans choose saving lives over the health of the US economy
Clinton is among the majority (72%)of respondents who believe the government's priority should be saving lives by stopping the spread of the virus, as opposed to sparing the economy.

Only about 1 in 5 said the government's main priority should be saving the economy.

Americans support drastic efforts to stop coronavirus, expect crisis to last for months in Public Agenda/USA TODAY/Ipsos poll

Most Americans believe stopping the virus should be the U.S. government's top priority, even as social distancing measures ravage the economy.

www.yahoo.com

Trump's handling of the crisis is becoming less popular:

Poll: Majority of Americans now disapprove of Trump's coronavirus response

"By QUINT FORGEY
04/03/2020 09:25 AM EDT

• "Support for President Donald Trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic has diminished over the past two weeks, according to a new survey, with a majority of Americans now disapproving of his response to the public health crisis.

"An ABC News/Ipsos poll released Friday reports that 52 percent of respondents disapprove of his management of the deadly outbreak, while only 47 percent approve."

Trump once bragged he could make money by running for POTUS.

Is he trying to make even more money from Covid-19?

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

So far we have 300k people infected in a short time with social distancing. I can’t believe some of you are still downplaying this.

How many do we have every year with the flu?

Yeah this is spreading much faster than the flu. Are you denying that?

Because it is new......we don't have a ready vaccine...but it is no deadlier than the flu...

Do you understand the destruction to people that will happen if we go into a Great Depression? Do you? How do people buy food with no jobs and no money? For years if not a decade or more?

Do you understand the consequences of that? How many will die because of that? Do you understand or care?

It’s no deadline than the flue because you say so, but as of today it’s 20x more deadly. Believe me I want to get back to a normal economy, but there won’t be a normal economy if people are getting sick and dropping like flies. We are forced to mitigate the virus. We can’t just go back to normal because that’s what you want.

People aren't dropping like flies....people who are over 80 with complications are dying.......and they are vulnerable to the seasonal flu the same way.........

Only folks over 80 is a lie.

Lives lost for the "progress" of capital is nothing new in america. It is how we got here after all, current pandemic shortages and all. We allow tens of thousands to die annually of the flu, fvck it, hellthcare in america is for profit. Societal priorities, our "way of life's" consequences. We allow tens of thousands to die annually of lack of hellthcare coverage. We will allow millions more to join the uninsured due to COVID-19 job losses

Infection Trajectory: See Which Countries are Flattening Their COVID-19 Curve

The number of COVID-19 cases around the world continues to grow, but each country has a different infection trajectory. This chart tells the story.

www.visualcapitalist.com

As you watch our trajectory soar like an eagle, remind your MAGA self that the US and S Korea both diagnosed their first COVID-19 cases on the same day, Jan21.

Fweedumb.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

So far we have 300k people infected in a short time with social distancing. I can’t believe some of you are still downplaying this.

How many do we have every year with the flu?

Yeah this is spreading much faster than the flu. Are you denying that?

How would we know? I haven't seen any figures published on how contagious each disease is.

How about Anthony Fauci?

"Top infectious disease expert" Anthony Fauci said a little more than a month ago that this Covid-19 crap amounts to nothing more than a bad flu year.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387?fbclid=IwAR00JE4Ap4dHsH7lHdgTc-8hUeMqFkrsrlIYq9VGkLwSt9AAk89UjKoolbc

". . .On the basis of a case definition requiring a diagnosis of pneumonia, the currently reported case fatality rate is approximately 2%.4 In another article in the Journal, Guan et al.5 report mortality of 1.4% among 1099 patients with laboratory-confirmed Covid-19; these patients had a wide spectrum of disease severity. If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.2

The efficiency of transmission for any respiratory virus has important implications for containment and mitigation strategies. The current study indicates an estimated basic reproduction number (R0) of 2.2, which means that, on average, each infected person spreads the infection to an additional two persons. As the authors note, until this number falls below 1.0, it is likely that the outbreak will continue to spread. Recent reports of high titers of virus in the oropharynx early in the course of disease arouse concern about increased infectivity during the period of minimal symptoms.6,7. . . "

Infection Trajectory: See Which Countries are Flattening Their COVID-19 Curve

The number of COVID-19 cases around the world continues to grow, but each country has a different infection trajectory. This chart tells the story.

www.visualcapitalist.com

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

New POLL: 72% of Americans choose saving lives over the health of the U.S. Economy.

Americans support drastic efforts to stop coronavirus, expect crisis to last for months in Public Agenda/USA TODAY/Ipsos poll
Joel Shannon, USA TODAY
USA TODAYApril 3, 2020, 4:30 AM EDT

The poll, conducted March 27-30 on behalf of Public Agenda and USA TODAY, surveyed U.S. adults as a part of the Hidden Common Ground initiative, which aims to examine issues that divide America along with potential solutions. The online poll has a credibility interval, akin to a margin of error, of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
Americans choose saving lives over the health of the US economy
Clinton is among the majority (72%)of respondents who believe the government's priority should be saving lives by stopping the spread of the virus, as opposed to sparing the economy.

Only about 1 in 5 said the government's main priority should be saving the economy.

Americans support drastic efforts to stop coronavirus, expect crisis to last for months in Public Agenda/USA TODAY/Ipsos poll

Most Americans believe stopping the virus should be the U.S. government's top priority, even as social distancing measures ravage the economy.

www.yahoo.com

Binary thinking idiots

 

[EvilCat Breath]

New POLL: 72% of Americans choose saving lives over the health of the U.S. Economy.

Americans support drastic efforts to stop coronavirus, expect crisis to last for months in Public Agenda/USA TODAY/Ipsos poll
Joel Shannon, USA TODAY
USA TODAYApril 3, 2020, 4:30 AM EDT

The poll, conducted March 27-30 on behalf of Public Agenda and USA TODAY, surveyed U.S. adults as a part of the Hidden Common Ground initiative, which aims to examine issues that divide America along with potential solutions. The online poll has a credibility interval, akin to a margin of error, of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
Americans choose saving lives over the health of the US economy
Clinton is among the majority (72%)of respondents who believe the government's priority should be saving lives by stopping the spread of the virus, as opposed to sparing the economy.

Only about 1 in 5 said the government's main priority should be saving the economy.

Americans support drastic efforts to stop coronavirus, expect crisis to last for months in Public Agenda/USA TODAY/Ipsos poll

Most Americans believe stopping the virus should be the U.S. government's top priority, even as social distancing measures ravage the economy.

www.yahoo.com

What a lot of people may not realize is that it isn't an "either-or" proposition. A collapsed economy and the poverty that ensues will create huge numbers of deaths. And further, a ruined economy will make it near impossible to get a cure for coronavirus or other future pestilences, as the people will be living at a subsistence level.

The left does not believe this will ever happen. What they believe will happen is that they will magically get what ever they want and not have to work.

 

[Meister]

I can hardly wait to see how we react with the next flu season this fall. Oh Boy! Hold on, it'll be like an E ride at Disneyland

 

[CowboyTed]

New POLL: 72% of Americans choose saving lives over the health of the U.S. Economy.

Americans support drastic efforts to stop coronavirus, expect crisis to last for months in Public Agenda/USA TODAY/Ipsos poll
Joel Shannon, USA TODAY
USA TODAYApril 3, 2020, 4:30 AM EDT

The poll, conducted March 27-30 on behalf of Public Agenda and USA TODAY, surveyed U.S. adults as a part of the Hidden Common Ground initiative, which aims to examine issues that divide America along with potential solutions. The online poll has a credibility interval, akin to a margin of error, of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
Americans choose saving lives over the health of the US economy
Clinton is among the majority (72%)of respondents who believe the government's priority should be saving lives by stopping the spread of the virus, as opposed to sparing the economy.

Only about 1 in 5 said the government's main priority should be saving the economy.

Americans support drastic efforts to stop coronavirus, expect crisis to last for months in Public Agenda/USA TODAY/Ipsos poll

Most Americans believe stopping the virus should be the U.S. government's top priority, even as social distancing measures ravage the economy.

www.yahoo.com

The headline should have been there are 20% (1 in 5) people that stupid...

 

[WEATHER53]

So far we have 300k people infected in a short time with social distancing. I can’t believe some of you are still downplaying this.

How many do we have every year with the flu?

Yeah this is spreading much faster than the flu. Are you denying that?

How would we know? I haven't seen any figures published on how contagious each disease is.

We don't even know the actual death rate because we don't have anti-body testing yet........so nothing they are saying is true or accurate and still, they want the Great Depression.

Evaluative numbers and stats are being shockingly withheld. JCT and me started clamoring a month ago and still mostly zip . Withhold the fact and stats and you can control the fear and manipulate

 

[WEATHER53]

So far we have 300k people infected in a short time with social distancing. I can’t believe some of you are still downplaying this.

How many do we have every year with the flu?

Yeah this is spreading much faster than the flu. Are you denying that?

Because it is new......we don't have a ready vaccine...but it is no deadlier than the flu...

Do you understand the destruction to people that will happen if we go into a Great Depression? Do you? How do people buy food with no jobs and no money? For years if not a decade or more?

Do you understand the consequences of that? How many will die because of that? Do you understand or care?

It’s no deadline than the flue because you say so, but as of today it’s 20x more deadly. Believe me I want to get back to a normal economy, but there won’t be a normal economy if people are getting sick and dropping like flies. We are forced to mitigate the virus. We can’t just go back to normal because that’s what you want.

People aren't dropping like flies....people who are over 80 with complications are dying.......and they are vulnerable to the seasonal flu the same way.........

theres a lot of people in this country that are not old and still fall into higher risk categories. And I’m not willing to give up on the lives of my parents. I trust the experts that what we’re doing will save lives. You don’t or you don’t care. Let’s just leave it at that.

Do whatever you like for your parents, but you don't have the right to deny a paycheck to tens of millions of Americans because your parents might get corona virus.

What if ruling what is. Very bad way to operate

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

New POLL: 72% of Americans choose saving lives over the health of the U.S. Economy.

Americans support drastic efforts to stop coronavirus, expect crisis to last for months in Public Agenda/USA TODAY/Ipsos poll
Joel Shannon, USA TODAY
USA TODAYApril 3, 2020, 4:30 AM EDT

The poll, conducted March 27-30 on behalf of Public Agenda and USA TODAY, surveyed U.S. adults as a part of the Hidden Common Ground initiative, which aims to examine issues that divide America along with potential solutions. The online poll has a credibility interval, akin to a margin of error, of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
Americans choose saving lives over the health of the US economy
Clinton is among the majority (72%)of respondents who believe the government's priority should be saving lives by stopping the spread of the virus, as opposed to sparing the economy.

Only about 1 in 5 said the government's main priority should be saving the economy.

Americans support drastic efforts to stop coronavirus, expect crisis to last for months in Public Agenda/USA TODAY/Ipsos poll

Most Americans believe stopping the virus should be the U.S. government's top priority, even as social distancing measures ravage the economy.

www.yahoo.com

What a lot of people may not realize is that it isn't an "either-or" proposition. A collapsed economy and the poverty that ensues will create huge numbers of deaths. And further, a ruined economy will make it near impossible to get a cure for coronavirus or other future pestilences, as the people will be living at a subsistence level.

The left does not believe this will ever happen. What they believe will happen is that they will magically get what ever they want and not have to work.

Works for corporate america and Wall Street. Bailed out with socialism yet again right before our eyes.

 

[CowboyTed]

Do these people think letting the economy crash will have no negative impact or cost lives just curious if they consider that. It's rather sad that we have become such an either or society and that we now believe we can't try and accomplish both keeping people safe and saving the economy.

Yes, no focus on slowing the curve. Because as we've been advised by an Orange Turd, MILLIONS would be committing suicide!

So why hasn’t the curve been flattened in NY, where #PresidentCuomo is in charge?

Doesn't have a damn thing to do with politics. It has to do with incompetency at the top.

So where is the Democrat plan to deal with it? Two months ago they were telling us President Trump was the greatest threat to national security, not a virus spreading through Asia.

The Democrats were right... The Virus could been handled, US was the last big first world country to have to deal with it but Trump incompetence and lack of preparation has seen US having the highest rates of growth daily... Unfortunately this is going to get worse... NYC is far better set up health system especially public health than many other states...
Generally speaking the worse health systems in US are in red states...

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/health-care

 

[WEATHER53]

So far we have 300k people infected in a short time with social distancing. I can’t believe some of you are still downplaying this.

How many do we have every year with the flu?

Yeah this is spreading much faster than the flu. Are you denying that?

Because it is new......we don't have a ready vaccine...but it is no deadlier than the flu...

Do you understand the destruction to people that will happen if we go into a Great Depression? Do you? How do people buy food with no jobs and no money? For years if not a decade or more?

Do you understand the consequences of that? How many will die because of that? Do you understand or care?

It’s no deadline than the flue because you say so, but as of today it’s 20x more deadly. Believe me I want to get back to a normal economy, but there won’t be a normal economy if people are getting sick and dropping like flies. We are forced to mitigate the virus. We can’t just go back to normal because that’s what you want.

People aren't dropping like flies....people who are over 80 with complications are dying.......and they are vulnerable to the seasonal flu the same way.........

theres a lot of people in this country that are not old and still fall into higher risk categories. And I’m not willing to give up on the lives of my parents. I trust the experts that what we’re doing will save lives. You don’t or you don’t care. Let’s just leave it at that.

The fact that some people might die is not a sufficient reason to crash the economy. 80,000 people died from the flu last winter. Did we shut down the economy then?

People like you are utterly insane and totally unreasonable. Furthermore, it's almost certain that you have a shutdown proof source of income.

40k die in car crashes. We don't stop driving...

And undoubtedly if the max speed was 40 and occupants limited to drivers only and no driving after dark.... ....and.....and....; then there would be less injuries and fatalities
Which would be for all of our very own good and protection (the virtue signal #1right now) since we are no longer allowed to chose and decide ourselves. Dangerous baby steps leading to something worse.

 

[Polishprince]

New POLL: 72% of Americans choose saving lives over the health of the U.S. Economy.

Americans support drastic efforts to stop coronavirus, expect crisis to last for months in Public Agenda/USA TODAY/Ipsos poll
Joel Shannon, USA TODAY
USA TODAYApril 3, 2020, 4:30 AM EDT

The poll, conducted March 27-30 on behalf of Public Agenda and USA TODAY, surveyed U.S. adults as a part of the Hidden Common Ground initiative, which aims to examine issues that divide America along with potential solutions. The online poll has a credibility interval, akin to a margin of error, of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.
Americans choose saving lives over the health of the US economy
Clinton is among the majority (72%)of respondents who believe the government's priority should be saving lives by stopping the spread of the virus, as opposed to sparing the economy.

Only about 1 in 5 said the government's main priority should be saving the economy.

Americans support drastic efforts to stop coronavirus, expect crisis to last for months in Public Agenda/USA TODAY/Ipsos poll

Most Americans believe stopping the virus should be the U.S. government's top priority, even as social distancing measures ravage the economy.

www.yahoo.com

What a lot of people may not realize is that it isn't an "either-or" proposition. A collapsed economy and the poverty that ensues will create huge numbers of deaths. And further, a ruined economy will make it near impossible to get a cure for coronavirus or other future pestilences, as the people will be living at a subsistence level.

The left does not believe this will ever happen. What they believe will happen is that they will magically get what ever they want and not have to work.

Works for corporate america and Wall Street. Bailed out with socialism yet again right before our eyes.

No one is going to get 'bailed out' this time, if the nation is locked down for a long period of time. The money won't exist, the poor and middle class will be crushed like cockroaches. Where do people get the idea that this can continue for a year, or 18 months, or the lockdown be repeated regularly on a seasonal basis, and not reduce the nation to indigency.

 

[whitehall]

"Would you rather protect your family or the DOW"? What the hell do you think they are going to say?

 

[Polishprince]

Do these people think letting the economy crash will have no negative impact or cost lives just curious if they consider that. It's rather sad that we have become such an either or society and that we now believe we can't try and accomplish both keeping people safe and saving the economy.

Yes, no focus on slowing the curve. Because as we've been advised by an Orange Turd, MILLIONS would be committing suicide!

So why hasn’t the curve been flattened in NY, where #PresidentCuomo is in charge?

Doesn't have a damn thing to do with politics. It has to do with incompetency at the top.

So where is the Democrat plan to deal with it? Two months ago they were telling us President Trump was the greatest threat to national security, not a virus spreading through Asia.

The Democrats were right... The Virus could been handled, US was the last big first world country to have to deal with it but Trump incompetence and lack of preparation has seen US having the highest rates of growth daily... Unfortunately this is going to get worse... NYC is far better set up health system especially public health than many other states...
Generally speaking the worse health systems in US are in red states...

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/health-care

NYC is actually the worst prepared for public health than anyone.

The carnage rates in the Big Apple are astounding with this, much (BTW) as they were with the aids pandemic 35 years ago.

 

[DrLove]

Do these people think letting the economy crash will have no negative impact or cost lives just curious if they consider that. It's rather sad that we have become such an either or society and that we now believe we can't try and accomplish both keeping people safe and saving the economy.

Yes, no focus on slowing the curve. Because as we've been advised by an Orange Turd, MILLIONS would be committing suicide!

So why hasn’t the curve been flattened in NY, where #PresidentCuomo is in charge?

Doesn't have a damn thing to do with politics. It has to do with incompetency at the top.

Yeah, the Democratic leadership are complete MORONS.

Sorry - Governors are not at the top of the food chain Goober. The buck stops with fuckstain. HE is the one who labeled it a national emergency and yet continues to give the problem lip service at best. He's repeating GWB's mistake from Katrina. Blaming Governors and Mayors for his own ineptitude.

Trying to educate lefties is like trying to teach 4th graders Calculus...there are far too many gaps in their knowledge that must be filled to even get to the real problem. It is exhausting. Your knowledge of the Katrina disaster is obviously limited to what you have been told by CNN, MSNBC, etc al.

Oh really? So test me ... Brownie

Stupid shit, does your dentist come and brush your teeth for you 3 times a day? He is to blame if you get a cavity, right?

Also, didn't democrat hero Ray Nagin actually flee the city leaving people to fend for themselves? Oh and democrat Kathleen Blanco, what a treat....



You really are dumb as a fucking post.

You're a tool - Not the sharpest one in the Trump Shed, but most definitely a tool!

 

[Fueri]

We need to start seeing the economic models as well so people have a better picture of the impacts of various scenarios as well.

The data is there I'm sure and it should be presented to the American people so they know what that is going to look like as well.

 

[WEATHER53]

If they try to pull the same bullshit next season or something like it over something else then I think hope and pray that 20% of Americans can also still think hope and pray and don’t want America destroyed and we will engage in civil unrest. I certainly will and will gladly get arrested for it. You have bullshitted us into submission for one time only; it won’t happen again.