New Hamas Charter to Redefine 'enemy'...

[Lipush]

I am not surprised by that. We are not kind neighbores to each other. If you ask around "Palestine" how many wants all Jews in the sea, you'll get even worse results.

So what exactly is your point? Saying we hate eachother? tell me something I don't know.

 

[Lipush]

"I would bet that at least 35% of Israelis support parties or movements that want the elimination of all non-Jews in Palestine and Israel."

Which parties are those, exactly? There was in the past only ONE party that supported this, and it was declaired illegal.

 

[montelatici]

"I would bet that at least 35% of Israelis support parties or movements that want the elimination of all non-Jews in Palestine and Israel."

Which parties are those, exactly? There was in the past only ONE party that supported this, and it was declaired illegal.

Obviously the 50% of Israelis that want evict non-Jews support a movement to evict non-Jews, don't you think. LOL

 

[jillian]

Where, precisely , are Hamas' "lands"?

Pretty sure they're not just talking about Gaza and the West Bank.

hamas is a terrorist orangization. it has no lands.

 

[Hollie]

"I would bet that at least 35% of Israelis support parties or movements that want the elimination of all non-Jews in Palestine and Israel."

Which parties are those, exactly? There was in the past only ONE party that supported this, and it was declaired illegal.

Obviously the 50% of Israelis that want evict non-Jews support a movement to evict non-Jews, don't you think. LOL

"I would bet that at least 35% of Israelis support parties or movements that want the elimination of all non-Jews in Palestine and Israel."

Which parties are those, exactly? There was in the past only ONE party that supported this, and it was declaired illegal.

Obviously the 50% of Israelis that want evict non-Jews support a movement to evict non-Jews, don't you think. LOL

Because you have difficulty with facts, I'm glad to step in.

Israel has a constitution that delineates rule of law as a societal precept which includes human rights and equal rights under the law.

That's a bit different than your heroes in thevislamic terrorist enclave of Gaza where there is a written charter calling for the destruction of a sovereign State.

You let your ignorance and your insensate Jew hatreds make you out to be quite the stereotypical zealot.

 

[Humanity]

Let's hope that the outdated charter is revised properly and makes a clear definition between the state of Israel, the people of Israel and the settlers...

If this can be done then I think it is a positive move on behalf of Hamas.

“It means that we don’t fight Jews because they are Jews,” said Taher el-Nounou, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza. “Our struggle is only against those who occupied our lands.”

New Hamas charter would name ‘occupiers,’ not ‘Jews,’ as the enemy

I bet they think all of Israel, is stolen Palestinian land.

Did you actually read the article?

Do you understand the conflict at all? Do you know what Hamas is?

Teddy does, which is why he said what he said.

I don't see why you have to be patronising here...

To be fair to you, I would not expect any pro Israel supporter to see ANY positivity in ANYTHING that Hamas and Palestinians do... It is not in the interests of the State of Israel...

The potential that Hamas or ANY other organisation that is pro Palestinian making positive steps and, potentially gaining international support would not sit well with Netanyahu!

It doesn't sit well with ANY Israeli.

I think it is time you start thinking with your big brain here.

If Itzhak Rabin was alive today, he wouldn't have negotiated with Hamas at all, I can promise you that. The sane left would not have looked to negotiate with any party that calls for Israel's destruction.

Hamas is not a pro-Palestinian organization like there are many worldwide. They are the "chosen" party or the Palestinians and the leadership they "chose". And their mission is so clear that ANY attempt to color it in different painting will be a wicked deciet.

I do not and have never agreed with Hamas or it's policies...

However, in light of these proposed changes to their Charter, IF, you believe in finding a peaceful solution, then one should at least give at least some support PENDING clarification of the exact meaning of the change...

If there were a sudden change in leadership, a change of policy, a NEW party that completely replaced Hamas Israel would do all it could to destroy that party!

It's very easy to NOT see the plans of Israel... Greater Israel is the goal.... And that would mean the destruction of Gaza, of a two state solution....

And you think that Hamas are the ONLY terrorists here!

How about you just simply admit that simple fact... The goal of the State of Israel is to create a 'Greater Israel'... And THAT is one of the reasons there will never be a peaceful solution!

 

[Lipush]

"I would bet that at least 35% of Israelis support parties or movements that want the elimination of all non-Jews in Palestine and Israel."

Which parties are those, exactly? There was in the past only ONE party that supported this, and it was declaired illegal.

Obviously the 50% of Israelis that want evict non-Jews support a movement to evict non-Jews, don't you think. LOL

Or they just want the two states solution and "get divorced" from the Palestinians.

Depend how you choose to look at it.

 

[yiostheoy]

Let's hope that the outdated charter is revised properly and makes a clear definition between the state of Israel, the people of Israel and the settlers...

If this can be done then I think it is a positive move on behalf of Hamas.

“It means that we don’t fight Jews because they are Jews,” said Taher el-Nounou, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza. “Our struggle is only against those who occupied our lands.”

New Hamas charter would name ‘occupiers,’ not ‘Jews,’ as the enemy

The Hamas are the enemy.

Until they are all dead there will be no peace on Earth.

 

[montelatici]

Let's hope that the outdated charter is revised properly and makes a clear definition between the state of Israel, the people of Israel and the settlers...

If this can be done then I think it is a positive move on behalf of Hamas.

“It means that we don’t fight Jews because they are Jews,” said Taher el-Nounou, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza. “Our struggle is only against those who occupied our lands.”

New Hamas charter would name ‘occupiers,’ not ‘Jews,’ as the enemy

The Hamas are the enemy.

Until they are all dead there will be no peace on Earth.

There's your example Lipush.

 

[montelatici]

"I would bet that at least 35% of Israelis support parties or movements that want the elimination of all non-Jews in Palestine and Israel."

Which parties are those, exactly? There was in the past only ONE party that supported this, and it was declaired illegal.

Obviously the 50% of Israelis that want evict non-Jews support a movement to evict non-Jews, don't you think. LOL

Or they just want the two states solution and "get divorced" from the Palestinians.

Depend how you choose to look at it.

No, the poll asked whether the non-Jews should be evicted, not a two state solution.

 

[Lipush]

I do not and have never agreed with Hamas or it's policies...

Well, that's all fine and dandy.

However, in light of these proposed changes to their Charter, IF, you believe in finding a peaceful solution

With Hamas?

then one should at least give at least some support PENDING clarification of the exact meaning of the change...

Huh?!

What that even a sentence??

If there were a sudden change in leadership, a change of policy, a NEW party that completely replaced Hamas Israel would do all it could to destroy that party!

Uh, yeah! there was a change in leadership, as a matter of fact. For the worst! do you not follow the memos! now they exchanged the crazy and evil guy with a crazed and psycho evil guy.

And you're throwing imaginary scenarios. If a more peaceful leader showed up, what will be Israel's interest in hurting him? you make no sense.

It's very easy to NOT see the plans of Israel... Greater Israel is the goal....

Of course it is. Once the Messiah comes and we all live happily ever after. But nowhere is it said or even suggested that that is Israel's final goal! where do you come up with this stuff?!

And that would mean the destruction of Gaza, of a two state solution....

Thanks to Hamas, Gaza is already destroyed, and you mumble about two states solution without even realizing what you're rooting for. How's that supposed to even WORK?

And you think that Hamas are the ONLY terrorists here!

Uh. Yeah...

How about you just simply admit that simple fact... The goal of the State of Israel is to create a 'Greater Israel'... And THAT is one of the reasons there will never be a peaceful solution!

You want me to lie to you?

 

[Lipush]

Let's hope that the outdated charter is revised properly and makes a clear definition between the state of Israel, the people of Israel and the settlers...

If this can be done then I think it is a positive move on behalf of Hamas.

“It means that we don’t fight Jews because they are Jews,” said Taher el-Nounou, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza. “Our struggle is only against those who occupied our lands.”

New Hamas charter would name ‘occupiers,’ not ‘Jews,’ as the enemy

The Hamas are the enemy.

Until they are all dead there will be no peace on Earth.

There's your example Lipush.

Example of what?

I want all Hamas terrorists dead, too.

You know, that how things work. You want your enemies dead.

 

[Lipush]

"I would bet that at least 35% of Israelis support parties or movements that want the elimination of all non-Jews in Palestine and Israel."

Which parties are those, exactly? There was in the past only ONE party that supported this, and it was declaired illegal.

Obviously the 50% of Israelis that want evict non-Jews support a movement to evict non-Jews, don't you think. LOL

Or they just want the two states solution and "get divorced" from the Palestinians.

Depend how you choose to look at it.

No, the poll asked whether the non-Jews should be evicted, not a two state solution.

Mhmm, ok.

 

[montelatici]

Let's hope that the outdated charter is revised properly and makes a clear definition between the state of Israel, the people of Israel and the settlers...

If this can be done then I think it is a positive move on behalf of Hamas.

“It means that we don’t fight Jews because they are Jews,” said Taher el-Nounou, a Hamas spokesman in Gaza. “Our struggle is only against those who occupied our lands.”

New Hamas charter would name ‘occupiers,’ not ‘Jews,’ as the enemy

The Hamas are the enemy.

Until they are all dead there will be no peace on Earth.

There's your example Lipush.

Example of what?

I want all Hamas terrorists dead, too.

You know, that how things work. You want your enemies dead.

So, if a Palestinian wants all Israeli terrorists (those that support, lead and kill Palestinians) dead, you would understand and agree that it is a natural wish. Correct.

 

[Humanity]

I do not and have never agreed with Hamas or it's policies...

Well, that's all fine and dandy.

However, in light of these proposed changes to their Charter, IF, you believe in finding a peaceful solution

With Hamas?

then one should at least give at least some support PENDING clarification of the exact meaning of the change...

Huh?!

What that even a sentence??

If there were a sudden change in leadership, a change of policy, a NEW party that completely replaced Hamas Israel would do all it could to destroy that party!

Uh, yeah! there was a change in leadership, as a matter of fact. For the worst! do you not follow the memos! now they exchanged the crazy and evil guy with a crazed and psycho evil guy.

And you're throwing imaginary scenarios. If a more peaceful leader showed up, what will be Israel's interest in hurting him? you make no sense.

It's very easy to NOT see the plans of Israel... Greater Israel is the goal....

Of course it is. Once the Messiah comes and we all live happily ever after. But nowhere is it said or even suggested that that is Israel's final goal! where do you come up with this stuff?!

And that would mean the destruction of Gaza, of a two state solution....

Thanks to Hamas, Gaza is already destroyed, and you mumble about two states solution without even realizing what you're rooting for. How's that supposed to even WORK?

And you think that Hamas are the ONLY terrorists here!

Uh. Yeah...

How about you just simply admit that simple fact... The goal of the State of Israel is to create a 'Greater Israel'... And THAT is one of the reasons there will never be a peaceful solution!

You want me to lie to you?

Of course it is. Once the Messiah comes and we all live happily ever after. But nowhere is it said or even suggested that that is Israel's final goal! where do you come up with this stuff?!

Wow, thats gonna be a freaking long wait there... We will NEVER live "happily ever after" if we have to wait for her!

You want me to lie to you?

Lie? No, just open your mind a little bit, that would be a start!

 

[Lipush]

I do not and have never agreed with Hamas or it's policies...

Well, that's all fine and dandy.

However, in light of these proposed changes to their Charter, IF, you believe in finding a peaceful solution

With Hamas?

then one should at least give at least some support PENDING clarification of the exact meaning of the change...

Huh?!

What that even a sentence??

If there were a sudden change in leadership, a change of policy, a NEW party that completely replaced Hamas Israel would do all it could to destroy that party!

Uh, yeah! there was a change in leadership, as a matter of fact. For the worst! do you not follow the memos! now they exchanged the crazy and evil guy with a crazed and psycho evil guy.

And you're throwing imaginary scenarios. If a more peaceful leader showed up, what will be Israel's interest in hurting him? you make no sense.

It's very easy to NOT see the plans of Israel... Greater Israel is the goal....

Of course it is. Once the Messiah comes and we all live happily ever after. But nowhere is it said or even suggested that that is Israel's final goal! where do you come up with this stuff?!

And that would mean the destruction of Gaza, of a two state solution....

Thanks to Hamas, Gaza is already destroyed, and you mumble about two states solution without even realizing what you're rooting for. How's that supposed to even WORK?

And you think that Hamas are the ONLY terrorists here!

Uh. Yeah...

How about you just simply admit that simple fact... The goal of the State of Israel is to create a 'Greater Israel'... And THAT is one of the reasons there will never be a peaceful solution!

You want me to lie to you?

Of course it is. Once the Messiah comes and we all live happily ever after. But nowhere is it said or even suggested that that is Israel's final goal! where do you come up with this stuff?!

Wow, thats gonna be a freaking long wait there... We will NEVER live "happily ever after" if we have to wait for her!

You want me to lie to you?

Lie? No, just open your mind a little bit, that would be a start!

You should follow your own advice. You take some random fanatic groups who openly call for "greater Israel" and paint it like all Israelis think that. That's an insult to my intelligence, AND yours.

 

[Humanity]

I do not and have never agreed with Hamas or it's policies...

Well, that's all fine and dandy.

However, in light of these proposed changes to their Charter, IF, you believe in finding a peaceful solution

With Hamas?

then one should at least give at least some support PENDING clarification of the exact meaning of the change...

Huh?!

What that even a sentence??

If there were a sudden change in leadership, a change of policy, a NEW party that completely replaced Hamas Israel would do all it could to destroy that party!

Uh, yeah! there was a change in leadership, as a matter of fact. For the worst! do you not follow the memos! now they exchanged the crazy and evil guy with a crazed and psycho evil guy.

And you're throwing imaginary scenarios. If a more peaceful leader showed up, what will be Israel's interest in hurting him? you make no sense.

It's very easy to NOT see the plans of Israel... Greater Israel is the goal....

Of course it is. Once the Messiah comes and we all live happily ever after. But nowhere is it said or even suggested that that is Israel's final goal! where do you come up with this stuff?!

And that would mean the destruction of Gaza, of a two state solution....

Thanks to Hamas, Gaza is already destroyed, and you mumble about two states solution without even realizing what you're rooting for. How's that supposed to even WORK?

And you think that Hamas are the ONLY terrorists here!

Uh. Yeah...

How about you just simply admit that simple fact... The goal of the State of Israel is to create a 'Greater Israel'... And THAT is one of the reasons there will never be a peaceful solution!

You want me to lie to you?

Of course it is. Once the Messiah comes and we all live happily ever after. But nowhere is it said or even suggested that that is Israel's final goal! where do you come up with this stuff?!

Wow, thats gonna be a freaking long wait there... We will NEVER live "happily ever after" if we have to wait for her!

You want me to lie to you?

Lie? No, just open your mind a little bit, that would be a start!

You should follow your own advice. You take some random fanatic groups who openly call for "greater Israel" and paint it like all Israelis think that. That's an insult to my intelligence, AND yours.

Nice advice...

Now, how about you take it too...

You take some random fanatic group who openly call for the 'destruction of Israel' and paint it like every Palestinian, every Muslim thinks that! That's an insult you my intelligence AND yours!

 

[Lipush]

I do not and have never agreed with Hamas or it's policies...

Well, that's all fine and dandy.

However, in light of these proposed changes to their Charter, IF, you believe in finding a peaceful solution

With Hamas?

then one should at least give at least some support PENDING clarification of the exact meaning of the change...

Huh?!

What that even a sentence??

If there were a sudden change in leadership, a change of policy, a NEW party that completely replaced Hamas Israel would do all it could to destroy that party!

Uh, yeah! there was a change in leadership, as a matter of fact. For the worst! do you not follow the memos! now they exchanged the crazy and evil guy with a crazed and psycho evil guy.

And you're throwing imaginary scenarios. If a more peaceful leader showed up, what will be Israel's interest in hurting him? you make no sense.

It's very easy to NOT see the plans of Israel... Greater Israel is the goal....

Of course it is. Once the Messiah comes and we all live happily ever after. But nowhere is it said or even suggested that that is Israel's final goal! where do you come up with this stuff?!

And that would mean the destruction of Gaza, of a two state solution....

Thanks to Hamas, Gaza is already destroyed, and you mumble about two states solution without even realizing what you're rooting for. How's that supposed to even WORK?

And you think that Hamas are the ONLY terrorists here!

Uh. Yeah...

How about you just simply admit that simple fact... The goal of the State of Israel is to create a 'Greater Israel'... And THAT is one of the reasons there will never be a peaceful solution!

You want me to lie to you?

Of course it is. Once the Messiah comes and we all live happily ever after. But nowhere is it said or even suggested that that is Israel's final goal! where do you come up with this stuff?!

Wow, thats gonna be a freaking long wait there... We will NEVER live "happily ever after" if we have to wait for her!

You want me to lie to you?

Lie? No, just open your mind a little bit, that would be a start!

You should follow your own advice. You take some random fanatic groups who openly call for "greater Israel" and paint it like all Israelis think that. That's an insult to my intelligence, AND yours.

Nice advice...

Now, how about you take it too...

You take some random fanatic group who openly call for the 'destruction of Israel' and paint it like every Palestinian, every Muslim thinks that! That's an insult you my intelligence AND yours!

So far I have yet to come across a reality which proved me otherwise.

but I'm not an example, I'm totally biased.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

So, you don't see this as a possible positive move toward finding some settlement?

On the surface, it sounds good. But when I read further, the part that I quoted, it sounds more like a feint. Since the real problem that prevents peace by Hamas towards Israel is the fact that they do not recognize the State of Israel. Something that is not proposed in this change in their charter.

Like Abbas, who talks about peace and a two state solution to the rest of the world, but when speaking to the Palestinians, he incites violence against Israel.

My concern with the wording is that it doesn't quite go far enough ...

Schizoid Scimitar

It's not about words, it's about swords.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I bet they think all of Israel, is stolen Palestinian land.

Did you actually read the article?

Do you understand the conflict at all? Do you know what Hamas is?

Teddy does, which is why he said what he said.

I don't see why you have to be patronising here...

To be fair to you, I would not expect any pro Israel supporter to see ANY positivity in ANYTHING that Hamas and Palestinians do... It is not in the interests of the State of Israel...

The potential that Hamas or ANY other organisation that is pro Palestinian making positive steps and, potentially gaining international support would not sit well with Netanyahu!

It doesn't sit well with ANY Israeli.

I think it is time you start thinking with your big brain here.

If Itzhak Rabin was alive today, he wouldn't have negotiated with Hamas at all, I can promise you that. The sane left would not have looked to negotiate with any party that calls for Israel's destruction.

Hamas is not a pro-Palestinian organization like there are many worldwide. They are the "chosen" party or the Palestinians and the leadership they "chose". And their mission is so clear that ANY attempt to color it in different painting will be a wicked deciet.

I do not and have never agreed with Hamas or it's policies...

However, in light of these proposed changes to their Charter, IF, you believe in finding a peaceful solution, then one should at least give at least some support PENDING clarification of the exact meaning of the change...

If there were a sudden change in leadership, a change of policy, a NEW party that completely replaced Hamas Israel would do all it could to destroy that party!

It's very easy to NOT see the plans of Israel... Greater Israel is the goal.... And that would mean the destruction of Gaza, of a two state solution....

And you think that Hamas are the ONLY terrorists here!

How about you just simply admit that simple fact... The goal of the State of Israel is to create a 'Greater Israel'... And THAT is one of the reasons there will never be a peaceful solution!

The Indians Weren't Residents, They Were Campers

The Two-State Solution is what the King of England decreed for Americans in the Royal Proclamation of 1763. The coastal colonies would be for Whites, the rest of the English land would belong solely to the thrill-killing, unproductive, evolutionary-reject Indian savages.