progressive hunter
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I said I could be wrong,,,so help a brother out and show me yours,,,Great, so now I see you even lied about getting that off of the Internet.You said your info came from the Internet ... post a link...didnt say I read it,,,I found it on peoplefinder. Now post the link to where you read he lived 10 miles away....I asked for yours ,,,you did call me the liar and I openly admitted I could be wrong so help a brother out and get me the facts you have,,,Great, then post a link to it....same place all the info is coming from,,,the internet,,,Oh? Where did you hear he lived 10 miles away?I'm not a conservative and didnt lie,,,I was going off what I heard,,,"and if he was jogging that would mean he was on a 20 mile jog since he lived 10 miles away,,,"the guy in sopranos was also dressed for jogging,,,and in the video he was seen running after he left the construction site that he walked up to,,,Sure there is. He was dressed for jogging. He was seen jogging in the video. And his family says he was an avid jogger.theres no proof he was,,,Stop lying. You have no proof he wasn't out for a jog.well first, that means the man wasn't out for jog, so that's blown up. second you all said there wasn't a crime, well now we know their was. Third, they called the police , fourth, they were attempting to hold him until the cops got there. the blackman spoiled that intended action by struggling for the gun which ended up killing him Again, there is no need to contact police if the intent was to shoot the man.trespassing is a crime. So now you admit he committed a crime.Breaking and entering to steal is a felony. They were trying to slow him down till the police cameI’m saying they know he was stealing they have multiple pictures and videos of it.. are you ok with that?The dude has been breaking in that neighborhood for yearsView attachment 335222nope, you are not describing the video, you are giving a play by play with interpretation. I didn't ask for that. I asked what you see. you still can't answer cause it isn't a good thing for the black man. See, I can see two guys in a truck with a black man hauling ass after them. he looks like the pursuer, and those men are there to defend themselves against him. that's my interpretation. you still don't see the black man running from a distance do you?address the video. you get nothing to assume from the video. what is it you see? I know, and it pisses you off the black man looks guilty of wrestling with the white guy and assaulting him. I get it. it's why it's evidence. you can't imply from a video, the video gives you all you need to know, what happened.well what do you see from the video? why can't you just address the video? I see two guys, one outside the driver door with a weapon, a guy in the truck bed standing up, the truck is stopped and in the middle of one lane, a black man running toward the truck from quite a distance. I also know another vehicle is following the blackman running. I see the black man run toward the driver side of the truck, seems to react to the man with the weapon and runs around to the passenger side of the truck, his path seems to circle to the front of the truck and attacks the man who moved around the driver door. Puts his hands on the weapon, the weapon fires, he continues wrestling with the man and his weapon while punching him in the head, and the weapon goes off again, continues wrestling and punching and while the struggle continues, the weapon goes off one more time hitting the guy who was jogging, he releases the gun and staggers away and falls to the ground. Now you tell me what you see.so from the video you can tell two people are deranged? wow, you're talented. the courts would love you.why would you say that? that isn't what happened. so you should watch the video. it has all the evidence of the incident one needs.First of all the black dude is not normal....he has a mental history, a felony conviction and when he was killed he was in violation of his parole.
Not relevant in any way.
A normal innocent person's reaction to being stalked by men with guns is to get away from them, and then defend themselves if they can't get away.
The dead man acted like any normal innocent person would, like you would in the same situation.
What nonsense you espouse....do you think anyone believes you.
By your standards, if you didn't instantly submit to any gun-wielding person, it would okay to kill you, because you're obviously guilty.
Your standards are clearly stupid and evil.
Ok. Taking only the video. A deranged white guy with a fellow deranged individual in the back both of whom are armed and acting reckless are in the street. They are noticed by a fine upstanding citizen who fearing a mass Murder is taking place attempts to save the lives of his fellow citizens and risking his own life charges the armed lunatic unarmed to save lives.
using only the video and nothing else. Prove I am wrong.
Using only the video with nothing else as you said we had to there is no way to accurately know what happened. There is nothing to say absent any evidence or information from any other source that it did not happen exactly that way. So now what evidence are we going to accept? Just that which helps your narrative? Or all of it which makes your narrative sound as stupid as my description?
Why were the people there? Why were armed men in the middle of the road and blocking the road and circling to cut off the black man jogging? Using only the video, and nothing else. They could have been a lynch mob couldn’t they? Going to kill a black man for sleeping with a white woman?
In the video you can see what happened in a few short seconds of time. You do not get the information that brings context to the events. You don’t get the information that the McMichaels were breaking the law. You do not get the context that Ahmad had entered and left empty handed a house under construction. You do not get the context that the McMichaels saw Ahmad run by and saw nothing else, no criminal activity, and then rushed to get guns and chase him down. You don’t get any context from just the video.
So how you see the video, with no context from anything else, is that two armed white guys in the middle of the street armed and apparently chasing a black guy are attacked. Without any context, that may seem reasonable. I wonder why? I wonder why those guys are there. I wonder what the hell they thought they were doing. I see it and know by Georgia Laws they are breaking the law waving those guns around in public like that. I watch it and know that by Georgia Law, they are in a lot of trouble. Watching nothing but the video, I see a lot of things going on, and Without the context the attack by the black guy is another thing I would wonder about.
The problem is that I have the context. I’ve been reading it a lot. Not just here, but many many other places. And knowing that I have read about the dangers of weapons in public, extensively read about it, long before this, I know that there is a lot of criminal activity in that video.
Here is your problem. You refuse to admit that Georgia law says what it actually says. You don’t want to believe that the White Guys did anything wrong. No matter who tells you they did, no matter how many sources are posted, you just will not consider the fact that these two idiots broke the damned law doing what you wish more people would. If more people did, I’d have my taxes increased in Georgia to afford the new prisons to hold them.
Now, maybe the Brandishing Laws are too narrow, and too restrictive. But for now, that is the law on the books. If we ignore those laws, claiming they are unfair, do we do so for everyone, or just your heroes the McMichaels?
Ok. Now just the video. The very first thing I see is a textbook example of Aggravated Assault by the definition of Georgia law. That is literally the very first thing after a jogger who is being followed and videoed for some reason.
As I said. Many many times. Aggravated Assault is any activity with a weapon that does or can cause injury or death. Running around in the middle of the street with a shotgun after a black guy who is jogging is Aggravated Assault.
I see a struggle. But knowing that the struggle comes after the Felony of Aggravated Assault I know that by Georgia law Self Defense is not an option.
Shall I continue through the shooting?
Now. My opinion is backed up by the charges filed against the folks in the video. But in the video I see an attack carried out by two white guys in a pick up truck against a black guy using Georgia Law as my standard.
Ok help me out. How do I describe the video without interpreting what I am seeing using my education and experience?
Now let’s say the video is of a car going around the corner sideways. I know that shows the car in what is called oversteer or power sliding or drifting. Seeing I know it is illegal on public streets. Apparently all I am allowed to think is car sliding around.
It is our intelligence and experience that allows us to interpret what is going on around us. It is how we can tell at a glance that someone isn’t supposed to have two elbows on the same arm and obviously has broken his arm.
You asked what I saw in the video. What you mean is between 21 seconds and 25 seconds. You do not want us looking before that. You do not want us considering anything after.
It is in a way the same thing we went through with the handicapped parking space shooting in Florida. The video we all watched was supposed to be ignored after the point where the hero was knocked down. We were supposed to ignore the guy backing up before he was shot.
It is interesting how you keep objecting to my description of the events.
Wait. Are you now saying that the video alone is not all the evidence you need?
So now we are down to what they knew. Ok. So now the video is not enough and we need more information. Fine. Is stealing a crime in Georgia? And should the Georgia law apply?
Well one or two little issues. First the house was open so it was not breaking and entering. It was Trespass under Georgia law. Second. There is no evidence that he was actually stealing. No one has come forward even now months later to report anything missing. It is gratifying however to hear you admit there are laws and they should apply.
Now to the intent of the McMichaels. You say detain. There is only one legal way they could detain anyone. That is by Citizens Arrest. Are you saying they were intending to place Ahmad under Citizens Arrest until the police arrived?
Many posts ago I explained about Trespassing under Georgia law. I have never denied it. Now you think you have me. So give me a little more rope please.
Were the McMichaels going to place Ahmad under Citizens Arrest according to the laws of Georgia?
and if he was jogging that would mean he was on a 20 mile jog since he lived 10 miles away,,,
only marathon runners jog that much,,,does he run marathons???
hehheh Why do the liberals think jogging makes someone innocent....I guess the same way they thought walking to the store and buy skittles made Trayvon innocent. bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa where do these idiots come from? Were they born stupid or taught to be that way in our public schools???
Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.
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I just scanned a few articles looking for his address and couldnt find one,,,
where did you get yours???
you called me the liar so prove me wrong,,,
I love being shown I'm wrong thaT WAY i DONT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE
