New Benghazi E-mails Link White House to Doctoring of Talking Points

[mudwhistle]

Actually they said they will wait for the investigation to complete before the answer will be known. Fuax and the GOP are simply lying there asses off, again.

Not true. Susan Rice went on the sunday shows and said the entire thing was caused by the video. obama said the same thing at the UN two weeks later, Hillary said the same thing----------they all knew it was not caused by the video -------- they lied. They did not want to admit to a terrorist attack two months before the election after obozo had claimed that he had destroyed the terrorist network. The let americans die for political reasons.

why can't you libs see what this is really about?

Entirely true. Every talk show they went on they qualified their statement with the fact that they needed to wait for the investigation to be complete. It's recorded and I know damn well the transcript prove it.

Problem being they made a false claim that an old video was the cause, not their lack of security, nor their failure to defeat al Qaeda. Obama claimed falsely that al Qaeda was toast. This fake video story was dreamed up to provide cover. They should have said the cause is still under investigation. Period.

 

[Jarhead]

Here we are some 1700 responses in to this OP, and I have yet to see even ONE document or official administration report that has been 'doctored' (changed without attribution).

Consequently, this thread falls under the heading of Epic Fail. Perhaps the Mods might create a special place for threads like this. It can come right between the one that claims to document proof of the existence Sasquatch and the one that documents alien (beings from other planets, not other countries) abductions and the experiments conducted on humans by extraterrestrials.

Patience.

After the investigation is complete you may or may not have a point. Until then all you have is Marx-o-Crat talking points.

This was already investigated. Republicans themselves, found no wrong doing.

Actually, they found no wrongdoing based on the documents they received.

Now they are finding documents were withheld.

Giving reason to question "why".

 

[mudwhistle]

Here we are some 1700 responses in to this OP, and I have yet to see even ONE document or official administration report that has been 'doctored' (changed without attribution).

Consequently, this thread falls under the heading of Epic Fail. Perhaps the Mods might create a special place for threads like this. It can come right between the one that claims to document proof of the existence Sasquatch and the one that documents alien (beings from other planets, not other countries) abductions and the experiments conducted on humans by extraterrestrials.

Patience.

After the investigation is complete you may or may not have a point. Until then all you have is Marx-o-Crat talking points.

This was already investigated. Republicans themselves, found no wrong doing.

So what!!!

New evidence has been found. It doesn't matter if somebody said this or that. The evidence they now have proves that the White House was the source of that false story about a lousy video......end of story.

 

[Jarhead]

Actually they said they will wait for the investigation to complete before the answer will be known. Fuax and the GOP are simply lying there asses off, again.

Not true. Susan Rice went on the sunday shows and said the entire thing was caused by the video. obama said the same thing at the UN two weeks later, Hillary said the same thing----------they all knew it was not caused by the video -------- they lied. They did not want to admit to a terrorist attack two months before the election after obozo had claimed that he had destroyed the terrorist network. The let americans die for political reasons.

why can't you libs see what this is really about?

Entirely true. Every talk show they went on they qualified their statement with the fact that they needed to wait for the investigation to be complete. It's recorded and I know damn well the transcript prove it.

So let me get this straight....

You qualify your statement by saying "we need to wait for the investigation to be complete"....with the statement itself being the ONE scenario that was considered the least likely and contradictory to the "general consensus" of your advisors?

And that is what you defend as honesty?

Sorry boo......that's just pathetic.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

administrations' doctor talking points: fact

an example is the cover up of Pat Tillman's death: fact

more embassy personnel killed under Bush's time than Obama's: fact

both parties are at fault for not compromising in orde to get the embassy better security: fact

the American people think Benghazi is a minor GOP talking point: fact

If you'll recall, Jake...Jay Carney stood behind his little podium and stated emphatically that the Obama Administration only changed "one word" in the talking points they got from the CIA. That was a complete and utter lie.

People working at embassies are often killed by terror attacks. Usually they are low level guards or local personnel entering the embassy. Under Obama's watch a US Ambassador and three other Americans were murdered in an assault that lasted for over seven hours with literally no response from this White House. Pathetic attempt to spin a complete failure by the use of misleading statistics!

For about the 20th time...the State Department Head of Libya testified under oath that budget cuts had NOTHING to do with security levels in Benghazi. Blaming what happened on GOP budget cuts is finger pointing rather than taking responsibility for what this Administration did and didn't do in Libya. It's dishonest and unfortunately it's what this White House DOES whenever it fucks up!

Thanks for the neg rep, FUCK FACE. Next time, please read what I wrote and debunk it instead of whining to me like the child you are.

Investigation of Benghazi

http://www.gop.gov/solution_content/benghazi/

 

[Redfish]

Actually they said they will wait for the investigation to complete before the answer will be known. Fuax and the GOP are simply lying there asses off, again.

Not true. Susan Rice went on the sunday shows and said the entire thing was caused by the video. obama said the same thing at the UN two weeks later, Hillary said the same thing----------they all knew it was not caused by the video -------- they lied. They did not want to admit to a terrorist attack two months before the election after obozo had claimed that he had destroyed the terrorist network. The let americans die for political reasons.

why can't you libs see what this is really about?

Entirely true. Every talk show they went on they qualified their statement with the fact that they needed to wait for the investigation to be complete. It's recorded and I know damn well the transcript prove it.

Then post it. Post Rice's statements in their entirety. She, Clinton, and Obama all said, with no reservations, that the video was the cause.

please stop lying about this.

 

[mudwhistle]

administrations' doctor talking points: Fact

an example is the cover up of pat tillman's death: Fact

more embassy personnel killed under bush's time than obama's: Fact

both parties are at fault for not compromising in orde to get the embassy better security: Fact

the american people think benghazi is a minor gop talking point: Fact

if you'll recall, jake...jay carney stood behind his little podium and stated emphatically that the obama administration only changed "one word" in the talking points they got from the cia. That was a complete and utter lie.

People working at embassies are often killed by terror attacks. Usually they are low level guards or local personnel entering the embassy. Under obama's watch a us ambassador and three other americans were murdered in an assault that lasted for over seven hours with literally no response from this white house. Pathetic attempt to spin a complete failure by the use of misleading statistics!

For about the 20th time...the state department head of libya testified under oath that budget cuts had nothing to do with security levels in benghazi. Blaming what happened on gop budget cuts is finger pointing rather than taking responsibility for what this administration did and didn't do in libya. It's dishonest and unfortunately it's what this white house does whenever it fucks up!

thanks for the neg rep, fuck face. Next time, please read what i wrote and debunk it instead of whining to me like the child you are.

investigation of benghazi

Investigation of Benghazi | gop.gov

yeah!!!!!!

 

[hazlnut]

Well, well, well. What do we have here? It appears that the narrative of Benghazi being a "spontaneous protest brought on by a video" was the work of none other than White House officials.

Newly released emails on the Benghazi terror attack suggest a senior White House aide played a central role in preparing former U.N. ambassador Susan Rice for her controversial Sunday show appearances -- where she wrongly blamed protests over an Internet video.

More than 100 pages of documents were released to the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. Among them was a Sept. 14, 2012, email from Ben Rhodes, an assistant to the president and deputy national security adviser for strategic communications.

The Rhodes email, with the subject line: "RE: PREP Call with Susan: Saturday at 4:00 pm ET," was sent to a dozen members of the administration's inner circle, including key members of the White House communications team such as Press Secretary Jay Carney.

In the email, Rhodes specifically draws attention to the anti-Islam Internet video, without distinguishing whether the Benghazi attack was different from protests elsewhere.

The email lists the following two goals, among others:

"To underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure of policy."

"To reinforce the President and Administration's strength and steadiness in dealing with difficult challenges."

The email goes on to state that the U.S. government rejected the message of the Internet video. "We find it disgusting and reprehensible. But there is absolutely no justification at all for responding to this movie with violence," the email stated

Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ?video? explanation | Fox News

 

[TemplarKormac]

Negged.

 

[RKMBrown]

administrations' doctor talking points: fact

an example is the cover up of Pat Tillman's death: fact

more embassy personnel killed under Bush's time than Obama's: fact

both parties are at fault for not compromising in orde to get the embassy better security: fact

the American people think Benghazi is a minor GOP talking point: fact

If you'll recall, Jake...Jay Carney stood behind his little podium and stated emphatically that the Obama Administration only changed "one word" in the talking points they got from the CIA. That was a complete and utter lie.

People working at embassies are often killed by terror attacks. Usually they are low level guards or local personnel entering the embassy. Under Obama's watch a US Ambassador and three other Americans were murdered in an assault that lasted for over seven hours with literally no response from this White House. Pathetic attempt to spin a complete failure by the use of misleading statistics!

For about the 20th time...the State Department Head of Libya testified under oath that budget cuts had NOTHING to do with security levels in Benghazi. Blaming what happened on GOP budget cuts is finger pointing rather than taking responsibility for what this Administration did and didn't do in Libya. It's dishonest and unfortunately it's what this White House DOES whenever it fucks up!

Thanks for the neg rep, FUCK FACE. Next time, please read what I wrote and debunk it instead of whining to me like the child you are.

Investigation of Benghazi

Investigation of Benghazi | gop.gov

Tissue?

 

[BlindBoo]

Not true. Susan Rice went on the sunday shows and said the entire thing was caused by the video. obama said the same thing at the UN two weeks later, Hillary said the same thing----------they all knew it was not caused by the video -------- they lied. They did not want to admit to a terrorist attack two months before the election after obozo had claimed that he had destroyed the terrorist network. The let americans die for political reasons.

why can't you libs see what this is really about?

Entirely true. Every talk show they went on they qualified their statement with the fact that they needed to wait for the investigation to be complete. It's recorded and I know damn well the transcript prove it.

Problem being they made a false claim that an old video was the cause, not their lack of security, nor their failure to defeat al Qaeda. Obama claimed falsely that al Qaeda was toast. This fake video story was dreamed up to provide cover. They should have said the cause is still under investigation. Period.

Prove it with the transcripts otherwise you're lying.

Here is a link to the transcript from Meet the Press.

September 16: Benjamin Netanyahu, Susan Rice, Keith Ellison, Peter King, Bob Woodward, Jeffrey Goldberg, Andrea Mitchell - Meet the Press - Transcripts | NBC News

GREGORY: Well, let’s talk-- talk about-- well, you talked about this as spontaneous. Can you say definitively that the attacks on-- on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack? Was there a terrorist element to it?

MS. RICE: Well, let us-- let me tell you the-- the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But..........

 

[The Rabbi]

Entirely true. Every talk show they went on they qualified their statement with the fact that they needed to wait for the investigation to be complete. It's recorded and I know damn well the transcript prove it.

Problem being they made a false claim that an old video was the cause, not their lack of security, nor their failure to defeat al Qaeda. Obama claimed falsely that al Qaeda was toast. This fake video story was dreamed up to provide cover. They should have said the cause is still under investigation. Period.

Prove it with the transcripts otherwise you're lying.

Here is a link to the transcript from Meet the Press.

September 16: Benjamin Netanyahu, Susan Rice, Keith Ellison, Peter King, Bob Woodward, Jeffrey Goldberg, Andrea Mitchell - Meet the Press - Transcripts | NBC News

GREGORY: Well, let’s talk-- talk about-- well, you talked about this as spontaneous. Can you say definitively that the attacks on-- on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack? Was there a terrorist element to it?

MS. RICE: Well, let us-- let me tell you the-- the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But..........

Both Rice and Obama lied about Benghazi, refusing to recognize it was an organized terrorist attack by al Qaeda and instead ludicrously blaming an internet video no one in Libya had seen.
The only question is why are you not outraged by this?

 

[BlindBoo]

Not true. Susan Rice went on the sunday shows and said the entire thing was caused by the video. obama said the same thing at the UN two weeks later, Hillary said the same thing----------they all knew it was not caused by the video -------- they lied. They did not want to admit to a terrorist attack two months before the election after obozo had claimed that he had destroyed the terrorist network. The let americans die for political reasons.

why can't you libs see what this is really about?

Entirely true. Every talk show they went on they qualified their statement with the fact that they needed to wait for the investigation to be complete. It's recorded and I know damn well the transcript prove it.

Then post it.

The first question is about the Protest and Riots occuring all over the ME at that time and the second is specifically about Benghazi.

September 16: Benjamin Netanyahu, Susan Rice, Keith Ellison, Peter King, Bob Woodward, Jeffrey Goldberg, Andrea Mitchell - Meet the Press - Transcripts | NBC News

GREGORY: The images as you well know are jarring to Americans watching all of this play out this week, and we’ll share the map of all of this turmoil with our viewers to show the scale of it across not just the Arab world, but the entire Islamic world and flashpoints as well. In Egypt, of course, the protests outside the U.S. embassy there that Egyptian officials were slow to put down. This weekend in Pakistan, protests as well there. More anti-American rage. Also protests against the drone strikes. In Yemen, you also had arrests and some deaths outside of our U.S. embassy there. How much longer can Americans expect to see these troubling images and these protests go forward?

MS. RICE: Well, David, we can’t predict with any certainty. But let’s remember what has transpired over the last several days. This is a response to a hateful and offensive video that was widely disseminated throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Obviously, our view is that there is absolutely no excuse for violence and that-- what has happened is condemnable, but this is a-- a spontaneous reaction to a video, and it’s not dissimilar but, perhaps, on a slightly larger scale than what we have seen in the past with The Satanic Verses with the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. Now, the United States has made very clear and the president has been very plain that our top priority is the protection of American personnel in our facilities and bringing to justice those who…
GREGORY: All right.
MS. RICE: …attacked our facility in Benghazi.
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GREGORY: Well, let’s talk-- talk about-- well, you talked about this as spontaneous. Can you say definitively that the attacks on-- on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack? Was there a terrorist element to it?
MS. RICE: Well, let us-- let me tell you the-- the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of-- of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s-- that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation. And the president has been very clear--we’ll work with the Libyan authorities to bring those responsible to justice.

 

[depotoo]

[ame=http://youtube.com/watch?v=vsKNI2WlKEc]Petraeus testifies about Benghazi - YouTube[/ame]
And you and I both know what she said after that. Why didn't you post it?also cnn report on Petraeus stating it was terrorists.
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Entirely true. Every talk show they went on they qualified their statement with the fact that they needed to wait for the investigation to be complete. It's recorded and I know damn well the transcript prove it.

Problem being they made a false claim that an old video was the cause, not their lack of security, nor their failure to defeat al Qaeda. Obama claimed falsely that al Qaeda was toast. This fake video story was dreamed up to provide cover. They should have said the cause is still under investigation. Period.

Prove it with the transcripts otherwise you're lying.

Here is a link to the transcript from Meet the Press.

September 16: Benjamin Netanyahu, Susan Rice, Keith Ellison, Peter King, Bob Woodward, Jeffrey Goldberg, Andrea Mitchell - Meet the Press - Transcripts | NBC News

GREGORY: Well, let’s talk-- talk about-- well, you talked about this as spontaneous. Can you say definitively that the attacks on-- on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack? Was there a terrorist element to it?

MS. RICE: Well, let us-- let me tell you the-- the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But..........

 

[The Rabbi]

The only question is why you are not outraged that the president lied.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Entirely true. Every talk show they went on they qualified their statement with the fact that they needed to wait for the investigation to be complete. It's recorded and I know damn well the transcript prove it.

Then post it.

The first question is about the Protest and Riots occuring all over the ME at that time and the second is specifically about Benghazi.

September 16: Benjamin Netanyahu, Susan Rice, Keith Ellison, Peter King, Bob Woodward, Jeffrey Goldberg, Andrea Mitchell - Meet the Press - Transcripts | NBC News

GREGORY: The images as you well know are jarring to Americans watching all of this play out this week, and we’ll share the map of all of this turmoil with our viewers to show the scale of it across not just the Arab world, but the entire Islamic world and flashpoints as well. In Egypt, of course, the protests outside the U.S. embassy there that Egyptian officials were slow to put down. This weekend in Pakistan, protests as well there. More anti-American rage. Also protests against the drone strikes. In Yemen, you also had arrests and some deaths outside of our U.S. embassy there. How much longer can Americans expect to see these troubling images and these protests go forward?

MS. RICE: Well, David, we can’t predict with any certainty. But let’s remember what has transpired over the last several days. This is a response to a hateful and offensive video that was widely disseminated throughout the Arab and Muslim world. Obviously, our view is that there is absolutely no excuse for violence and that-- what has happened is condemnable, but this is a-- a spontaneous reaction to a video, and it’s not dissimilar but, perhaps, on a slightly larger scale than what we have seen in the past with The Satanic Verses with the cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. Now, the United States has made very clear and the president has been very plain that our top priority is the protection of American personnel in our facilities and bringing to justice those who…
GREGORY: All right.
MS. RICE: …attacked our facility in Benghazi.
Advertise

GREGORY: Well, let’s talk-- talk about-- well, you talked about this as spontaneous. Can you say definitively that the attacks on-- on our consulate in Libya that killed ambassador Stevens and others there security personnel, that was spontaneous, was it a planned attack? Was there a terrorist element to it?
MS. RICE: Well, let us-- let me tell you the-- the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of-- of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s-- that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation. And the president has been very clear--we’ll work with the Libyan authorities to bring those responsible to justice.

Will you shut up?

“Based on the best information we have to date ... it began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo, where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.... We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.”

— Susan E. Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Sept. 16

 

[TemplarKormac]

BOB SCHIEFFER: And joining us now, Susan Rice, the U.N. ambassador, our U.N. ambassador. Madam Ambassador, he says this is something that has been in the planning stages for months. I understand you have been saying that you think it was spontaneous? Are we not on the same page here?

SUSAN RICE (Ambassador to the United Nations): Bob, let me tell you what we understand to be the assessment at present. First of all, very importantly, as you discussed with the President, there is an investigation that the United States government will launch led by the FBI, that has begun and--

BOB SCHIEFFER (overlapping): But they are not there.

SUSAN RICE: They are not on the ground yet, but they have already begun looking at all sorts of evidence of-- of various sorts already available to them and to us. And they will get on the ground and continue the investigation. So we'll want to see the results of that investigation to draw any definitive conclusions. But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy--

BOB SCHIEFFER: Mm-Hm.

SUSAN RICE: --sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that-- in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.

BOB SCHIEFFER: But you do not agree with him that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago?

SUSAN RICE: We do not-- we do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned.

BOB SCHIEFFER: Do you agree or disagree with him that al Qaeda had some part in this?

SUSAN RICE: Well, we'll have to find out that out. I mean I think it's clear that there were extremist elements that joined in and escalated the violence. Whether they were al Qaeda affiliates, whether they were Libyan-based extremists or al Qaeda itself I think is one of the things we'll have to determine.

"Face the Nation" transcripts, September 16, 2012: Libyan Pres. Magariaf, Amb. Rice and Sen. McCain - Page 2 - CBS News

 

[TemplarKormac]

OBAMA: “What we’ve seen over the last week, week and a half, is something that actually we've seen in the past, where there is an offensive video or cartoon directed at the prophet Muhammad. And this is obviously something that then is used as an excuse by some to carry out inexcusable violent acts directed at Westerners or Americans.


“And my number-one priority is always to keep our diplomats safe and to keep our embassies safe. And so when the initial events happened in Cairo and all across the region, we worked with Secretary Clinton to redouble our security and to send a message to the leaders of these countries, essentially saying, although we had nothing to do with the video, we find it offensive, it's not representative of America's views, how we treat each other with respect when it comes to their religious beliefs, but we will not tolerate violence.”

QUESTION: “We have reports that the White House said today that the attacks in Libya were a terrorist attack. Do you have information indicating that it was Iran, or al-Qaeda was behind organizing the protests?”

OBAMA: “Well, we're still doing an investigation, and there are going to be different circumstances in different countries. And so I don’t want to speak to something until we have all the information. What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests.”

— President Obama, Univision Town Hall, Sept. 20

 

[TemplarKormac]

“That is what we saw play out in the last two weeks, as a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. Now, I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity.”
— Obama, speech to the U.N. General Assembly, Sept. 25

 

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some of testimony Greg Hicks whom Ambassador Stevens called during the attack