NEA Sent Me a Survey....Yes Indeed I Completed It!

[martybegan]

You do realize that union members do not always vote for Democrats because the union says to!

In fact, I only lived in my school district in KY for one year out of the 12 I taught there. I worked in other districts.

In fact, did you know that the majority of the police officers in NYC live in New Jersey?

Again, talking about large cities, which is an issue for me because I live in one.

Actually they probably live on Long Island.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Again, talking about large cities, which is an issue for me because I live in one.

Actually they probably live on Long Island.

Nope. NJ. Many neighborhoods were impacted on 9/11.

 

[martybegan]

Nope. NJ. Many neighborhoods were impacted on 9/11.

I see no link for your data.

In any event the big city teachers unions are seen as a voting bloc, and thus dictate terms to people that rely on them to get re-elected.

It eliminates the adversarial system business-union negotiations rely upon. Also missing is the threat of the owner just saying "**** it" and closing up shop.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I see no link for your data.

In any event the big city teachers unions are seen as a voting bloc, and thus dictate terms to people that rely on them to get re-elected.

It eliminates the adversarial system business-union negotiations rely upon. Also missing is the threat of the owner just saying "**** it" and closing up shop.

I wasn't aware that I was starting a thread. Why are you so butthurt all the time? Not getting any?

 

[Winco]

Honey the union is NOT my profession

We know, it's pretending to teach children how to pay "Hot Cross Buns" on the recorder, when you're not badmouthing the real teachers.

 

[80zephyr]

Not to the level teachers endure.

Could be. But they have about 3 months to catch up.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Could be. But they have about 3 months to catch up.

I taught for 21 years. Never did I have 3 months off. School ends about the last week in May and starts the 2nd week in August. Is that 3 months on your calendar? Also add in 1-2 weeks of mandatory professional development mostly scattered throughout that time, and you can see how it doesn't add up. Also, it usually takes 3-4 days to reconstruct your classroom after all of the cleaning and reorganizing done during the summer, plus you may have to change classrooms if not entire schools or buildings.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Does he live in "yhis nstion"?

Stop postwhoring.

 

[Unkotare]

Stop postwhoring.

???????????

 

[80zephyr]

I taught for 21 years. Never did I have 3 months off. School ends about the last week in May and starts the 2nd week in August. Is that 3 months on your calendar? Also add in 1-2 weeks of mandatory professional development mostly scattered throughout that time, and you can see how it doesn't add up. Also, it usually takes 3-4 days to reconstruct your classroom after all of the cleaning and reorganizing done during the summer, plus you may have to change classrooms if not entire schools or buildings.

In Wisconsin, school ends around the first of June and doesn't start back up until Sept 1st.

 

[martybegan]

I wasn't aware that I was starting a thread. Why are you so butthurt all the time? Not getting any?

Wow, maybe you need some more fiber in your diet, you old ******* fart.

 

[Moonglow]

NEA really is the devil.

Probably closer to being an imp.

 

[Moonglow]

Democrats so love unions that they forget the public uses unions and the Democrats failure is the unions strip Democrats of their power over the public.

Tell that to the police unions that voted fer Trump.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

In Wisconsin, school ends around the first of June and doesn't start back up until Sept 1st.

Now, how many days of professional development and mandatory training do they do during that period?

The other teachers on this forum can back me up on this as they have made the same comments in the past.

Florida started earlier in the year while I was there to build in "hurricane days" where schools could be closed in preps for storms or in the aftermath. If there were no storms, the days would be used for teacher training/planning days where teacher's worked and students did not attend.

 

[Robert W]

Tell that to the police unions that voted fer Trump.

Here is whyuTrump won.
Here is why Trump beat the hell out of Cackle.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[80zephyr]

Now, how many days of professional development and mandatory training do they do during that period?

The other teachers on this forum can back me up on this as they have made the same comments in the past.

Florida started earlier in the year while I was there to build in "hurricane days" where schools could be closed in preps for storms or in the aftermath. If there were no storms, the days would be used for teacher training/planning days where teacher's worked and students did not attend.

Maybe lets work this from another angle. How many days do teachers get off in a year? A work year is 2080 hours, how many hours do teachers work in a year?

My son is a teacher at a technical school, so his experience is not the same as a "regular" teacher. He gets plenty of time off.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Maybe lets work this from another angle. How many days do teachers get off in a year? A work year is 2080 hours, how many hours do teachers work in a year?

My son is a teacher at a technical school, so his experience is not the same as a "regular" teacher. He gets plenty of time off.

I worked a minimum of 12 and up to 14 hours a day on school days for about 200 days a year. That's about 2400 hours. I was paid hor about 1500 of those.

 

[DGS49]

Rather than talking about hours-per-week or hours-per-year, how about talking about career length?

As a regular passenger on luxury cruises, it is astounding how many of my fellow cruisers are retired teachers - some who were union members and some not.

There is a good reason for this phenomenon. Normal, working Americans work into their late 60's or longer before they can retire, but teachers generally can retire after 30 years of service, more or less. That means they retire in their early 50's, with a full pension, full benefits, and usually in expectation of collecting Social Security when they reach that age.

So considering that typical healthy people are pretty much done with fun stuff - tourism, golf, bowling, dancing - when they hit 80 years old, they have about 12 years of healthy retirement before getting to the waiting room for the Grim Reaper. But teachers have about twice that long, all on the taxpayers' dime, to enjoy their retirement. This is what explains why so many teachers are found in "senior"recreational activities. They are disproportionately represented among retired people.

So I take the claims of 60 hour weeks with a pinch of salt. I don't believe that it is literally true, at least on a continuing basis, and it ignores the phenomenon described in my previous paragraph.

And it is significant, if never mentioned.

 

[Unkotare]

Rather than talking about hours-per-week or hours-per-year, how about talking about career length?

As a regular passenger on luxury cruises, it is astounding how many of my fellow cruisers are retired teachers - some who were union members and some not.

There is a good reason for this phenomenon. Normal, working Americans work into their late 60's or longer before they can retire, but teachers generally can retire after 30 years of service, more or less. That means they retire in their early 50's, with a full pension, full benefits, and usually in expectation of collecting Social Security when they reach that age.

So considering that typical healthy people are pretty much done with fun stuff - tourism, golf, bowling, dancing - when they hit 80 years old, they have about 12 years of healthy retirement before getting to the waiting room for the Grim Reaper. But teachers have about twice that long, all on the taxpayers' dime, to enjoy their retirement. This is what explains why so many teachers are found in "senior"recreational activities. They are disproportionately represented among retired people.

So I take the claims of 60 hour weeks with a pinch of salt. I don't believe that it is literally true, at least on a continuing basis, and it ignores the phenomenon described in my previous paragraph.

And it is significant, if never mentioned.

You are so full of shit it's unbelievable. You never cease pontificating on things you know NOTHING about.