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[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Unpaid training is required by a lot of occupations now.

Not to the level teachers endure.

 

[initforme]

The problem is when they become powerful voting blocs like in NYC, LA and Chicago and can dictate terms to the politicians that are supposed to be negotiating for the citizens of the city, not the unions.

They should have civil service protections, but not unions that can negotiate work rules or compensation.

Work Rules And Compensation Should Be Negotiated, Never Dictated. The Latter Is UN american.

 

[SweetSue92]

Being hesitant to complain about your profession is something I’m sure no one has ever accused you of. You make your position the subject abundantly clear daily

Honey the union is NOT my profession

 

[toobfreak]

Honey the union is NOT my profession

Sue, you might have known the left would complain--- not about the schools or the union, but your reporting on it.

I'm not a teacher nor in education, but I've seen enough and know enough to know you are spot on. You dare actually put the students first, the teachers and education board second, and the union last.

I've been involved in two big unions--- and while there was good to both of them, ultimately they both failed because they put themselves ahead of both the membership and the company.

The Number One rule of any union is for the union officers to get rich while putting the prosperity and survival of the union ahead of all else.

 

[martybegan]

They all have the right to strike. Most don't. Why do you think the media focuses on labor disputes with teachers in those cities and states? It's because no one else can strike anywhere else in the US!

That is the entire purpose of a union. Surely you know that! As I stated, most unions have no right to strike and therefore no rights to negotiate anything in reality. Compensation has always been in the power of the school districts because they can either give you a raise or tell you to suck it up! Many times, I was given pay increases below the rate of inflation, often as low as 1%.

Working conditions are really important to prevent burnout. Do you have to eat lunch with your coworkers or subordinates to make sure they don't hurt one another? Are you allowed to go the restroom during your workday? Does your boss require you to work all day and then spend the evenings meeting with your customers on quality control issues for no pay? Do you have to attend training on Saturday or during the evening with no compensation? How about mandatory training during your personal time off? (As an example, remember that 3 month vacation that teachers are always claimed to have? Why do they always mention the week after school is out and the two weeks of mandatory, unpaid training during that time off, usually right in the middle?)

I eat at my desk, and I have continuing education requirements as licensed engineer.

The time for that is on me, but I can get re-imbursed for class costs.

 

[martybegan]

Work Rules And Compensation Should Be Negotiated, Never Dictated. The Latter Is UN american.

The owner of a company should have more say in the company than the workers. Sorry, but anything else is collectivism.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I eat at my desk, and I have continuing education requirements as licensed engineer.

The time for that is on me, but I can get re-imbursed for class costs.

So do most teachers, but that is your choice. Teachers did not have that option before. They were required to supervise the kids while they ate lunch.

Teachers receive no pay for our professional development required training.

So, you see, it is nowhere near the same.

 

[westwall]

The union is not the teaching profession. Unions are a necessary evil.

No, they aren't.

 

[martybegan]

So do most teachers, but that is your choice. Teachers did not have that option before. They were required to supervise the kids while they ate lunch.

Teachers receive no pay for our professional development required training.

So, you see, it is nowhere near the same.

I can be called for an emergency on my construction site any time of the day, even after the workers have left, if they forgot something or something goes wrong during off hours.

Every professional job has things that make it difficult sometimes.

What that doesn't mean is civil service unions are a good idea. They are a terrible idea, even a Government guy like FDR believed that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I can be called for an emergency on my construction site any time of the day, even after the workers have left, if they forgot something or something goes wrong during off hours.

Every professional job has things that make it difficult sometimes.

What that doesn't mean is civil service unions are a good idea. They are a terrible idea, even a Government guy like FDR believed that.

How much did you get paid to do that? I will bet it was a pretty penny more than teachers make.

Most people don't know that teachers are paid hourly but are not paid for actual clock time. There is no overtime.

Civil service unions offer protections for workers from corrupt and inept administrators. Most often, they do not have the right to strike.

 

[martybegan]

How much did you get paid to do that? I will bet it was a pretty penny more than teachers make.

Most people don't know that teachers are paid hourly but are not paid for actual clock time. There is no overtime.

Civil service unions offer protections for workers from corrupt and inept administrators. Most often, they do not have the right to strike.

My next promotion? Nothing? Now? Straight time only and only if I didn't charge overhead during the week. I am exempt from overtime regulations as a supervisor

And they also lack the one single thing that makes the Union system work, ownership that doesn't owe anything to said union workers.

Politicians in many cities are beholden to the civil service unions, removing the adversarial part of the system that makes it work.

 

[Unkotare]

Under the circumstances, I would do the same as she is.

Quit?

 

[Jarlaxle]

A bunch of peoplr here want teachers to have zero representation and to work for $15 per hour. They feel entitled to cut and gut anything a good teacher has. Says something about yhis nstion.

If you hear those voices in your head regularly, see a doctor.

 

[Unkotare]

If you hear those voices in your head regularly, see a doctor.

There isn't a doctor in "yhis nstion" who could cure that.

 

[Jarlaxle]

There isn't a doctor in "yhis nstion" who could cure that.

Walter Freeman could have...

 

[Unkotare]

Walter Freeman could have...

Does he live in "yhis nstion"?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

My next promotion? Nothing? Now? Straight time only and only if I didn't charge overhead during the week. I am exempt from overtime regulations as a supervisor

And they also lack the one single thing that makes the Union system work, ownership that doesn't owe anything to said union workers.

Politicians in many cities are beholden to the civil service unions, removing the adversarial part of the system that makes it work.

I guess you have never been threatened with being fired based on a false accusation. My union saved my bacon twice in my teaching career because of administrators who decided not to follow the contract.

 

[martybegan]

I guess you have never been threatened with being fired based on a false accusation. My union saved my bacon twice in my teaching career because of administrators who decided not to follow the contract.

I almost lost my job due to someone thinking I was a skinhead because I listened to dropkick murphys.

So for that one good thing, we should allow them to basically destroy out cities?

The only other option is civil servants in unions can't vote in municipal elections.

 

[Unkotare]

I almost lost my job ... because I listened to dropkick murphys.
...

You should have gotten a promotion for that!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I almost lost my job due to someone thinking I was a skinhead because I listened to dropkick murphys.

So for that one good thing, we should allow them to basically destroy out cities?

The only other option is civil servants in unions can't vote in municipal elections.

You do realize that union members do not always vote for Democrats because the union says to!

In fact, I only lived in my school district in KY for one year out of the 12 I taught there. I worked in other districts.

In fact, did you know that the majority of the police officers in NYC live in New Jersey?