NC has responded to the Feds

THEY ARE SEX DESIGNATED YOU STUPID FUCK. PRIVACY FROM THE OPPOSITE SEX.
TN, Why would you want privacy from the OPPOSITE sex ? You prefer other dudes lookin' at your junk instead? :p

"Ah. Yeah. So I guess we should probably go ahead and have a little talk. Hmm?" -- Bill Lumbergh, Office Space
LMAO you little shit
 
refuting your bullshit ,,,

Well then, you might want to try something that isn't so 100% consistent with my "bullshit."

You know, I'm a little disappointed. You're one of the more level headed people around here. I would think you would respect me enough to distinguish between my bullshit that I feed the morons, and times when you and I have an honest difference of opinion.

Don't get me wrong, if you like pie, you know I can serve it up. I just thought of you as more of a chicken and rice type.

my disagreement with you is an honest one.
your" bullshit"is no refutation of an actual science and to call it a pseudo science puts it in the same league as phrenolgy pyramid power crystal power etc,


No, but I think you need to reevaluate your assumptions and biases. Calling psychology pseudoscience does not mean that I reject its value as an academic field of study. There are many legitimate fields of study which are not science. The over use of the word "science" cheapens scientific knowledge, and has led to all kinds of wild ass ideas. Creationism "science," for example.
hey don't cloud the issue with facts!
My god man ! these people are in full tantrum mode, the last thing they need is rationality and logic!
 
No, it doesn't. But that's okay.
Yes it does.

No. Sorry, you've been lied to with invented pseudo science.
WebMD disagrees with you.

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

Actually, it doesn't. It says exactly what I've said. That it's nothing more than a feeling. There is no scientific information that there is anything more to it than individual's subjective feelings. And there is nothing that indicates that the concept of a gender identity distinct from biological sex has any merits beyond some people claiming to have said feelings.
Primary Care Protocol for Transgender Patient Care: Evidence-Based Transgender Medicine

And what do you feel that this link establishes? Because they only thing of importance to this conversation I can gather from it is this: "little specific information about treatment actually exists beyond case reports and small scale studies on specific clinical issues."

I think it's worth me also mentioning that my spidey sense gets the impression that what the link is trying to talk about has as much to do with biological transgenderism/hermaphrodism, as it might anything else. I could be wrong.
 
Yes it does.

No. Sorry, you've been lied to with invented pseudo science.
WebMD disagrees with you.

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

Actually, it doesn't. It says exactly what I've said. That it's nothing more than a feeling. There is no scientific information that there is anything more to it than individual's subjective feelings. And there is nothing that indicates that the concept of a gender identity distinct from biological sex has any merits beyond some people claiming to have said feelings.
Primary Care Protocol for Transgender Patient Care: Evidence-Based Transgender Medicine

And what do you feel that this link establishes? Because they only thing of importance to this conversation I can gather from it is this: "little specific information about treatment actually exists beyond case reports and small scale studies on specific clinical issues."

I think it's worth me also mentioning that my spidey sense gets the impression that what the link is trying to talk about has as much to do with biological transgenderism/hermaphrodism, as it might anything else. I could be wrong.
an attempt to
understand.
 
It's a perversion, as is homosexuality.

No. But you are an idiot.
perversion
play
noun per·ver·sion \pər-ˈvər-zhən, -shən\
Popularity: Bottom 40% of words
Simple Definition of perversion
  • : sexual behavior that people think is not normal or natural

  • : something that improperly changes something good

  • : the process of improperly changing something that is good

PERVERSION. The definition fits perfectly.


But thanks for admitting that what you are actually after is for ME to say that gay and "transgender" is normal. , rather than just them having the right to live their lives; because I am 100% for allowing them to live their lives within the same rules everyone else is expected to follow IE not invading other peoples' rights and claiming you have a right to do so.
 
proper sex designated restroom--is by definition Authoritarian

When dictated by the government it certainly is. By the same token "use whatever bathroom you want" when dictated by the government is ALSO authoritarian.
 
So if laws are ineffectual, why are you the one who wants a law? I want no law, I want it up to the owner of the bathroom, which is what the NC law says.
Not sure either of us know what you're talking about. I'm not the one who wants NC to pass an additional law.

Neither of us know what you're talking about, that's for sure. I want it up to businesses who uses their own bathrooms, what about that is unclear to you?
 
Sorry but I don't see any absolute morality.
Then in effect you have no moral standards at all...
On the contrary, I consider myself a very moral person. What I don't believe is that people who don't share my morality are immoral. I don't believe slavery is moral but I understand that George Washington's morality did allow for slavery. Was he immoral?
Straight up moral question... if I put a gun to your head and force you to allow me to use your private property under threat of either imprisonment or me pulling the trigger am I acting morally or immorally?
A question that can only be answered in the fictitious world of an absolute morality. I may find it immoral but you may not. In Israel I may be living on land taken from your father. I bought it from the government so I think of it as my private property and I have a moral right to it. You might feel the land was stolen and honestly believe you have a moral right to that land. Which of us is moral?
If you know of one let me know.
Know one what?
An absolute moral code.
No one implied that private property owners have ANY right to infringe upon the rights of others however denying or restricting the use of one's own private property to others does NOT infringe upon the rights of others.
It may. If you live on a massive seam of copper, the mining of which could provide jobs for thousands of your neighbors who recently lost their jobs, do you have the right withhold that income from them? What if they wanted to build a road across your property?
 
Do you also think depression is just a subjective feeling?

Before bothering to venture down that road, I suggest that you shift your assumptions about me.
I have no assumptions about you other than you seem too rational to be a Republican.

Do you think depression is just a subjective feeling? I always wonder why "conservatives" think feelings are so unimportant. We wouldn't be human without them.
 
It's a perversion, as is homosexuality.

No. But you are an idiot.
perversion
play
noun per·ver·sion \pər-ˈvər-zhən, -shən\
Popularity: Bottom 40% of words
Simple Definition of perversion
  • : sexual behavior that people think is not normal or natural

  • : something that improperly changes something good

  • : the process of improperly changing something that is good

PERVERSION. The definition fits perfectly.


But thanks for admitting that what you are actually after is for ME to say that gay and "transgender" is normal. , rather than just them having the right to live their lives; because I am 100% for allowing them to live their lives within the same rules everyone else is expected to follow IE not invading other peoples' rights and claiming you have a right to do so.
No other people's rights are being compromised.
There is no emperical evidence that proves transgenderism is a perversion.
The definition you chose is subjective and not applicable.
 
an attempt to
understand.

Understanding is overrated. That's what we have politics for.

In any event, I think this is a good time to re-assert my hypothesis about what which is called transgenderism.

The concept of transgenderism is built upon the notion that men and women have different human identities. It requires a belief that there are fundamental differences between men and women that to beyond superficial accident of their birth. There is, of course, no doubt that there are superficial differences between women, having to do with the dimorphic construction of their bodies. And there can be no doubt that there are an assortment of differences between the two classes, and commonalities within each respective class, that would seem to go beyond the mere accident of birth. But none of that amounts to anything that rightly indicates or implies any non-superficial difference between men and women.

Ultimately, the search for non-superficial differences between men and women continues to be a complete failure. Every attempt to identify such differences always turns out to be pure sexism, and often times is quite homophobic. And the notions which people express as their reasons for "feeling like the wrong gender" are similarly so. These all range from notions masculine strength vs feminine gentleness, sexist beliefs in gender specific interests, sexist conceptions of different academic capacities, etc.

What it all comes down to is that society as a whole is diseased with sexism. Society insists that a man who wants to be a Kindergarten teacher must be a fag because being nice and gentle toward young children isn't manly, it's feminine. Or worse, he's a pedophile and that's why he wants to work with children. Women who want to be police are butch and manly. Men who are sensitive are lesser humans than men who are rough and tough. Women who are rough and tough are lesser humans than women who are delicate and ornate. All this bullshit sexism that has diseased society is what generates the feeling within people that they are faulty because of who they are not matching what they think society is saying they should be.

These feelings are, thus, not due to some kind of mistake of nature to create the person with the "wrong" anatomy. They are due to mistakes by society, and mistakes by the individual, to that define the quality of human existence against concepts of preconceived notions that assign identifying qualities based on gender.

For this reason, I maintain that the growth needed in society is not double down on sexism by reaffirming the false beliefs that men and women have qualities that they allegedly are supposed to maintain. Instead, we need to break away from these ideas. We need to learn to accept people's character without regard to whether that character is housed in a male or female body. If we as a society learn to do that, transgenderism will disappear and become a page in humanity's history of sexism. By indulging the hypothesis of an internal mental gender identification separate from biological identification of the same, we are embracing and propagating sexism.
 
and they are suing the Justice Dept.
Waiting for a link
It is breaking on reuters
Too funny. Too too funny! :lmao:

Hey bod I know a lot of trans you know my story on isabella but you have a daughter. as do I.

you comfy with some dude pretending to be a trans going in with your kid?

I have a daughter and the answer is yes. My daughter has actually been in the restroom with transgendered women pre and post operative and I was never concerned for her safety.

Two of her best friends were molested by their mother's intimate partners though. My daughter is in much greater danger going on sleepovers in heterosexual households than she is peeing next to a trans person.

sadly, that's probably true. i'd wager most cases of sexual abuse are by the mother's boyfriend or husband who is unrelated to the child.

homophobes have a vivid fantasy life.

It is true. Our daughters are in far greater danger from known males than from trans women in bathrooms. I live in a town of fewer than 1500 people and yet two of her best friends were molested, one by a stepfather and one by mom's boyfriend.

that's normally the way it goes.

or a priest

or a coach

it's interesting how they lost the marriage equality argument and now just want to find the next group of people to bully and humiliate.
 
an attempt to
understand.

Understanding is overrated. That's what we have politics for.

In any event, I think this is a good time to re-assert my hypothesis about what which is called transgenderism.

The concept of transgenderism is built upon the notion that men and women have different human identities. It requires a belief that there are fundamental differences between men and women that to beyond superficial accident of their birth. There is, of course, no doubt that there are superficial differences between women, having to do with the dimorphic construction of their bodies. And there can be no doubt that there are an assortment of differences between the two classes, and commonalities within each respective class, that would seem to go beyond the mere accident of birth. But none of that amounts to anything that rightly indicates or implies any non-superficial difference between men and women.

Ultimately, the search for non-superficial differences between men and women continues to be a complete failure. Every attempt to identify such differences always turns out to be pure sexism, and often times is quite homophobic. And the notions which people express as their reasons for "feeling like the wrong gender" are similarly so. These all range from notions masculine strength vs feminine gentleness, sexist beliefs in gender specific interests, sexist conceptions of different academic capacities, etc.

What it all comes down to is that society as a whole is diseased with sexism. Society insists that a man who wants to be a Kindergarten teacher must be a fag because being nice and gentle toward young children isn't manly, it's feminine. Or worse, he's a pedophile and that's why he wants to work with children. Women who want to be police are butch and manly. Men who are sensitive are lesser humans than men who are rough and tough. Women who are rough and tough are lesser humans than women who are delicate and ornate. All this bullshit sexism that has diseased society is what generates the feeling within people that they are faulty because of who they are not matching what they think society is saying they should be.

These feelings are, thus, not due to some kind of mistake of nature to create the person with the "wrong" anatomy. They are due to mistakes by society, and mistakes by the individual, to that define the quality of human existence against concepts of preconceived notions that assign identifying qualities based on gender.

For this reason, I maintain that the growth needed in society is not double down on sexism by reaffirming the false beliefs that men and women have qualities that they allegedly are supposed to maintain. Instead, we need to break away from these ideas. We need to learn to accept people's character without regard to whether that character is housed in a male or female body. If we as a society learn to do that, transgenderism will disappear and become a page in humanity's history of sexism. By indulging the hypothesis of an internal mental gender identification separate from biological identification of the same, we are embracing and propagating sexism.

understanding is only overrated to those who are ignorant.

and spoken like someone who has no clue what gender dysphoria is.
 
Too funny. Too too funny! :lmao:

Hey bod I know a lot of trans you know my story on isabella but you have a daughter. as do I.

you comfy with some dude pretending to be a trans going in with your kid?

I have a daughter and the answer is yes. My daughter has actually been in the restroom with transgendered women pre and post operative and I was never concerned for her safety.

Two of her best friends were molested by their mother's intimate partners though. My daughter is in much greater danger going on sleepovers in heterosexual households than she is peeing next to a trans person.

sadly, that's probably true. i'd wager most cases of sexual abuse are by the mother's boyfriend or husband who is unrelated to the child.

homophobes have a vivid fantasy life.

It is true. Our daughters are in far greater danger from known males than from trans women in bathrooms. I live in a town of fewer than 1500 people and yet two of her best friends were molested, one by a stepfather and one by mom's boyfriend.

that's normally the way it goes.

or a priest

or a coach

it's interesting how they lost the marriage equality argument and now just want to find the next group of people to bully and humiliate.
bully? Who is wanting to ignore sex and use the bathroom of their choosing instead of the designated one?
 
It's a perversion, as is homosexuality.

No. But you are an idiot.
perversion
play
noun per·ver·sion \pər-ˈvər-zhən, -shən\
Popularity: Bottom 40% of words
Simple Definition of perversion
  • : sexual behavior that people think is not normal or natural

  • : something that improperly changes something good

  • : the process of improperly changing something that is good

PERVERSION. The definition fits perfectly.


But thanks for admitting that what you are actually after is for ME to say that gay and "transgender" is normal. , rather than just them having the right to live their lives; because I am 100% for allowing them to live their lives within the same rules everyone else is expected to follow IE not invading other peoples' rights and claiming you have a right to do so.
No other people's rights are being compromised.
There is no emperical evidence that proves transgenderism is a perversion.
The definition you chose is subjective and not applicable.



Dictionary's are subjective and inapplicable when defining words now? LOL you are a bizarre moron.
 
the Homophobes vow... "We will fight them in the bakeries, we will fight them in the flower shops, we will fight them photography studios, we will fight them in the restrooms, until that day when the world gives in to our sexual insecurities..."

There's nothing wrong with someone who would like a little privacy from the opposite sex when they go into a rest room.
I swear, liberals are indeed insane.
there is no expectation of privacy in a PUBLIC RESTROOM
public
[puhb-lik] /ˈpʌb lɪk/
See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
adjective
1.
of, relating to, or affecting a population or a community as a whole:
public funds; a public nuisance.
2.
done, made, acting, etc., for the community as a whole:
public prosecution.
3.
open to all persons:
a public meeting.

He takes dictionary's on dates.

The dictionary does not define rights you fucking idiot.
 
Fair and unbalanced brought up government money, hack, not me. We know how you feel about PA laws. You think business owners should be able to put up these signs if they want to...

whites%20only.jpg

Of course businesses should be able to put up that sign and implement that policy in on their own property if they choose. However, Jim Crow laws were passed because they didn't want to do it

I think if you want to get rid of PA laws, businesses should have to inform the consumer up front who they won't serve.

Fair trade, yeah?

Yes, it is. In fact that's my position. It's like privacy policies. One of the few government programs that ever worked. Government didn't force a particular privacy policy, they only required businesses to have one and post it for consumers. Government only held them to their own policy.

I think that's the perfect solution for discrimination. Businesses should have a policy, and be held to the standard of their own policy. That way customers, employees, vendors, everyone can make an informed decision if they want to deal with that business or not

Fantastic! Now git er done. Oh that's right..,you don't actually DO anything about PA laws beyond decrying the unfairness of them on Internet message boards.

Such a rebel!
 
an attempt to
understand.

Understanding is overrated. That's what we have politics for.

In any event, I think this is a good time to re-assert my hypothesis about what which is called transgenderism.

The concept of transgenderism is built upon the notion that men and women have different human identities. It requires a belief that there are fundamental differences between men and women that to beyond superficial accident of their birth. There is, of course, no doubt that there are superficial differences between women, having to do with the dimorphic construction of their bodies. And there can be no doubt that there are an assortment of differences between the two classes, and commonalities within each respective class, that would seem to go beyond the mere accident of birth. But none of that amounts to anything that rightly indicates or implies any non-superficial difference between men and women.

Ultimately, the search for non-superficial differences between men and women continues to be a complete failure. Every attempt to identify such differences always turns out to be pure sexism, and often times is quite homophobic. And the notions which people express as their reasons for "feeling like the wrong gender" are similarly so. These all range from notions masculine strength vs feminine gentleness, sexist beliefs in gender specific interests, sexist conceptions of different academic capacities, etc.

What it all comes down to is that society as a whole is diseased with sexism. Society insists that a man who wants to be a Kindergarten teacher must be a fag because being nice and gentle toward young children isn't manly, it's feminine. Or worse, he's a pedophile and that's why he wants to work with children. Women who want to be police are butch and manly. Men who are sensitive are lesser humans than men who are rough and tough. Women who are rough and tough are lesser humans than women who are delicate and ornate. All this bullshit sexism that has diseased society is what generates the feeling within people that they are faulty because of who they are not matching what they think society is saying they should be.

These feelings are, thus, not due to some kind of mistake of nature to create the person with the "wrong" anatomy. They are due to mistakes by society, and mistakes by the individual, to that define the quality of human existence against concepts of preconceived notions that assign identifying qualities based on gender.

For this reason, I maintain that the growth needed in society is not double down on sexism by reaffirming the false beliefs that men and women have qualities that they allegedly are supposed to maintain. Instead, we need to break away from these ideas. We need to learn to accept people's character without regard to whether that character is housed in a male or female body. If we as a society learn to do that, transgenderism will disappear and become a page in humanity's history of sexism. By indulging the hypothesis of an internal mental gender identification separate from biological identification of the same, we are embracing and propagating sexism.

understanding is only overrated to those who are ignorant.

and spoken like someone who has no clue what gender dysphoria is.

Because you're an expert, Jillian? Or are you going to just regurgitate a misunderstanding you read from someone else?

You always disappoint me Jillian. Unlike the the rabid right wingers around here, you actually do have the capacity to see beyond your nose. You just choose not to about 99% of the time.

Here's a fun fact for you....If you go to the doctor and tell them that you have this deep and pervasive feeling that your leg is not your correct leg and that it's a mistake by nature, they would correctly recognize you as having a dismorphic disorder. Treating you with an amputation would be a controversial course of action, and would ONLY be considered as a last resort as a means to alleviate your suffering. Somehow, when someone says the same thing about their penis or breasts, amputation is supposed to be the first thing you want us to think about.

Oh, I'm sorry. You were saying something about how I don't know anything?
 
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