Rigby5
Diamond Member
What’s your point?Factual you are wrong we built the greatest country in the world with free market capitalism.. its only in the time of big Union big government that we see the ordinary not working in urban areas.You are taking the smallest possible scenarios and saying they are problematic in America and they’re not .. on a large scale free people built America, more good then bad.Wrong.
Slavery is always profit motivated and caused by greedy individuals.
Did the United States create the slavery that existed before the Civil War?
The reality is that it was plantation owners who simply started bringing in slaves, and there was no legal way for government to stop it at that time.
Slaves fell under property rights.
Free men can never do what they want, as long as someone with more money can hire someone willing to murder or beat them.
But you are correct that the corrupt wealthy also often take control over government in order to oppress others.
However the solution to that is not to get rid of government but to work to reduce corruption in government instead.
If you get rid of government, than anyone that can afford to hire enough thugs can make you do whatever they want.
Just a fact..
First female millionaire was a black woman and she died in 1918.. she couldn’t even vote, bad schools, every thing. She over came.
No government help.
I can think of thousands of great American stories. You don’t hear them any more. Because of regulations
Nonsense.
The only way to make significant money is to have capital to invest.
No one has ever make any significant income on their own, due to their own labor.
Even musicians and actors actually are making it only due to the wealthy studios that decide to back them.
The world has way to many crooks for anyone to be free unless you have organized a government to protect that freedom for you.
If not a gang that will attack and rob you, then an someone will invade and enslave you.
The reality is that not only can anyone with capital out invest and out earn you without knowing or doing a thing, but they can easily hire people to totally destroy your life, legally.
Look at companies that are worth billions, like Microsoft and Intel; it is obvious to anyone who knows computers and programming, like I do, that they make the absolute worst products in the world. Total junk, but control the market by unfair manipulation due to the vast sums of money they have to work with.
Nonsense.
The original capital investment in the US was from the British Crown.
The crown was mostly interested in making money from getting people addicted to nicotine.
Our main source of revenues came from things like the trees and buffalo we stole by murdering the natives, and from cotton we got from imported slave labor.
Haven't you ever read about all the horrors of abusive corporations, like child labor, sexual harassment, unsafe working conditions like the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire, etc.
Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire - Wikipedia
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The Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in New York City on March 25, 1911, was the deadliest industrial disaster in the history of the city, and one of the deadliest in U.S. history.[1] The fire caused the deaths of 146 garment workers – 123 women and girls and 23 men[2] – who died from the fire, smoke inhalation, or falling or jumping to their deaths. Most of the victims were recent Italian and Jewish immigrant women and girls aged 14 to 23;[3][4] of the victims whose ages are known, the oldest victim was 43-year-old Providenza Panno, and the youngest were 14-year-olds Kate Leone and Rosaria "Sara" Maltese.[5]
The factory was located on the 8th, 9th, and 10th floors of the Asch Building, at 23–29 Washington Place in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of Manhattan. The 1901 building still stands today and is known as the Brown Building. It is part of and owned by New York University.[6]
Because the doors to the stairwells and exits were locked[7][1] (a then-common practice to prevent workers from taking unauthorized breaks and to reduce theft),[8] many of the workers who could not escape from the burning building jumped from the high windows. The fire led to legislation requiring improved factory safety standards and helped spur the growth of the International Ladies' Garment Workers' Union (ILGWU), which fought for better working conditions for sweatshop workers.
The building has been designated a National Historic Landmark and a New York City landmark.
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You do know what a sweatshop is, right?
Essentially the way people get wealthy in the US is usually by stealing the labor of thousands of others.
The point is that those with money routinely abuse the poor who have no choice by to accept any work they can get, because wealthy know the poor are so desperate just to survive.
Historically the wealthy have been guilty of slavery, child abuse, rape, long hours, dangerous work conditions, etc. and no one could do anything to stop them.
Unrestrained capitalism has never even been true in the US and we still have all this very dark history.
If you want to really see capitalism at work, you have to go back to feudal times, or ancient Rome.
The Roman circuses, gladiators, arena deaths, crucifixions, etc. are all exactly what you get when you fail to prevent the inherent abuses of capitalism. Capitalism is power, but it is totally without any degree of ethics.