Native American History

[Lakhota]

The Treaty of Fort Laramie (1868) had granted the Black Hills to the Lakota people in perpetuity, but the United States took the area from the tribe after the Great Sioux War of 1876. Members of the American Indian Movement led an occupation of the monument in 1971, naming it "Mount Crazy Horse", and Lakota holy man John Fire Lame Deer planted a prayer staff on top of the mountain. Lame Deer said that the staff formed a symbolic shroud over the presidents' faces "which shall remain dirty until the treaties concerning the Black Hills are fulfilled."[66]

The 1980 United States Supreme Court decision United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians ruled that the Sioux had not received just compensation for their land in the Black Hills[67], which includes Mount Rushmore.

In 2004, Gerard Baker was appointed as superintendent of the park, the first and so far only Native American in that role. Baker stated that he will open up more "avenues of interpretation", and that the four presidents are "only one avenue and only one focus."[68] The Crazy Horse Memorial is being constructed elsewhere in the Black Hills to commemorate the Native American leader as a response to Mount Rushmore. Upon completion, it will be larger than Mount Rushmore and has the support of Lakota chiefs. The Crazy Horse Memorial Foundation has rejected offers of federal funds, but it is the subject of controversy, even among Native American tribes.[69]

In 2020, in discussing U.S. President Donald Trump's July 3 visit to Mount Rushmore, Nick Tilsen, president of NDN Collective, an Indigenous-led organization dedicated to building Indigenous power; and a citizen of the Oglala Lakota Nation, stated, "...we have refused to accept the settlement — an amount that has slowly accrued interest and is now well over $1 billion — because we won't settle for anything less than the full return of our lands as stipulated by the treaties our nations signed and agreed upon."[70]

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Many people have much to learn about factual/truthful Native American history.

That's all quite irrelevant at this point in time. You know this.

No, it's not irrelevant. It's never irrelevant. They've never cashed the check.

From the OP:

In 2020, in discussing U.S. President Donald Trump's July 3 visit to Mount Rushmore, Nick Tilsen, president of NDN Collective, an Indigenous-led organization dedicated to building Indigenous power; and a citizen of the Oglala Lakota Nation, stated, "...we have refused to accept the settlement — an amount that has slowly accrued interest and is now well over $1 billion — because we won't settle for anything less than the full return of our lands as stipulated by the treaties our nations signed and agreed upon."[70]

It's irrelevant. We live in the now. It's US territory.

As I stated above - they have never cashed the check for the stolen land.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The Treaty of Fort Laramie (1868) had granted the Black Hills to the Lakota people in perpetuity, but the United States took the area from the tribe after the Great Sioux War of 1876. Members of the American Indian Movement led an occupation of the monument in 1971, naming it "Mount Crazy Horse", and Lakota holy man John Fire Lame Deer planted a prayer staff on top of the mountain. Lame Deer said that the staff formed a symbolic shroud over the presidents' faces "which shall remain dirty until the treaties concerning the Black Hills are fulfilled."[66]

The 1980 United States Supreme Court decision United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians ruled that the Sioux had not received just compensation for their land in the Black Hills[67], which includes Mount Rushmore.

In 2004, Gerard Baker was appointed as superintendent of the park, the first and so far only Native American in that role. Baker stated that he will open up more "avenues of interpretation", and that the four presidents are "only one avenue and only one focus."[68] The Crazy Horse Memorial is being constructed elsewhere in the Black Hills to commemorate the Native American leader as a response to Mount Rushmore. Upon completion, it will be larger than Mount Rushmore and has the support of Lakota chiefs. The Crazy Horse Memorial Foundation has rejected offers of federal funds, but it is the subject of controversy, even among Native American tribes.[69]

In 2020, in discussing U.S. President Donald Trump's July 3 visit to Mount Rushmore, Nick Tilsen, president of NDN Collective, an Indigenous-led organization dedicated to building Indigenous power; and a citizen of the Oglala Lakota Nation, stated, "...we have refused to accept the settlement — an amount that has slowly accrued interest and is now well over $1 billion — because we won't settle for anything less than the full return of our lands as stipulated by the treaties our nations signed and agreed upon."[70]

Mount Rushmore - Wikipedia

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Many people have much to learn about factual/truthful Native American history.

That's all quite irrelevant at this point in time. You know this.

No, it's not irrelevant. It's never irrelevant. They've never cashed the check.

From the OP:

In 2020, in discussing U.S. President Donald Trump's July 3 visit to Mount Rushmore, Nick Tilsen, president of NDN Collective, an Indigenous-led organization dedicated to building Indigenous power; and a citizen of the Oglala Lakota Nation, stated, "...we have refused to accept the settlement — an amount that has slowly accrued interest and is now well over $1 billion — because we won't settle for anything less than the full return of our lands as stipulated by the treaties our nations signed and agreed upon."[70]

It's irrelevant. We live in the now. It's US territory.

As I stated above - they have never cashed the check for the stolen land.

So, should one expect an uprising?

 

[flacaltenn]

In 2004, Gerard Baker was appointed as superintendent of the park, the first and so far only Native American in that role. Baker stated that he will open up more "avenues of interpretation", and that the four presidents are "only one avenue and only one focus."[68] The Crazy Horse Memorial is being constructed elsewhere in the Black Hills to commemorate the Native American leader as a response to Mount Rushmore. Upon completion, it will be larger than Mount Rushmore and has the support of Lakota chiefs. The Crazy Horse Memorial Foundation has rejected offers of federal funds, but it is the subject of controversy, even among Native American tribes.[69]

All ok by me.,. I have no problem with COMPLETE history.. Just with "alternative" history... But that National Park was dedicated NINETY years ago now.. And was in the works 100 years ago,...

Indian nations OWN the lucrative casino biz in this country.. MUCH more lucrative and lasting than any form of reparations --- IF the tribes don't kill each other over the windfall profits... SHOULD be lifting up those remaining on reservations that have gotten their "Indian Trust Fund" in Washington wiped out and robbed by politicians...

 

[Lakhota]

The Treaty of Fort Laramie (1868) had granted the Black Hills to the Lakota people in perpetuity, but the United States took the area from the tribe after the Great Sioux War of 1876. Members of the American Indian Movement led an occupation of the monument in 1971, naming it "Mount Crazy Horse", and Lakota holy man John Fire Lame Deer planted a prayer staff on top of the mountain. Lame Deer said that the staff formed a symbolic shroud over the presidents' faces "which shall remain dirty until the treaties concerning the Black Hills are fulfilled."[66]

The 1980 United States Supreme Court decision United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians ruled that the Sioux had not received just compensation for their land in the Black Hills[67], which includes Mount Rushmore.

In 2004, Gerard Baker was appointed as superintendent of the park, the first and so far only Native American in that role. Baker stated that he will open up more "avenues of interpretation", and that the four presidents are "only one avenue and only one focus."[68] The Crazy Horse Memorial is being constructed elsewhere in the Black Hills to commemorate the Native American leader as a response to Mount Rushmore. Upon completion, it will be larger than Mount Rushmore and has the support of Lakota chiefs. The Crazy Horse Memorial Foundation has rejected offers of federal funds, but it is the subject of controversy, even among Native American tribes.[69]

In 2020, in discussing U.S. President Donald Trump's July 3 visit to Mount Rushmore, Nick Tilsen, president of NDN Collective, an Indigenous-led organization dedicated to building Indigenous power; and a citizen of the Oglala Lakota Nation, stated, "...we have refused to accept the settlement — an amount that has slowly accrued interest and is now well over $1 billion — because we won't settle for anything less than the full return of our lands as stipulated by the treaties our nations signed and agreed upon."[70]

Mount Rushmore - Wikipedia

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Many people have much to learn about factual/truthful Native American history.

That's all quite irrelevant at this point in time. You know this.

No, it's not irrelevant. It's never irrelevant. They've never cashed the check.

From the OP:

In 2020, in discussing U.S. President Donald Trump's July 3 visit to Mount Rushmore, Nick Tilsen, president of NDN Collective, an Indigenous-led organization dedicated to building Indigenous power; and a citizen of the Oglala Lakota Nation, stated, "...we have refused to accept the settlement — an amount that has slowly accrued interest and is now well over $1 billion — because we won't settle for anything less than the full return of our lands as stipulated by the treaties our nations signed and agreed upon."[70]

It's irrelevant. We live in the now. It's US territory.

As I stated above - they have never cashed the check for the stolen land.

So, should one expect an uprising?

I'm not sure yet. It depends on just how far and strong the current wave against racial injustice grows.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

The Treaty of Fort Laramie (1868) had granted the Black Hills to the Lakota people in perpetuity, but the United States took the area from the tribe after the Great Sioux War of 1876. Members of the American Indian Movement led an occupation of the monument in 1971, naming it "Mount Crazy Horse", and Lakota holy man John Fire Lame Deer planted a prayer staff on top of the mountain. Lame Deer said that the staff formed a symbolic shroud over the presidents' faces "which shall remain dirty until the treaties concerning the Black Hills are fulfilled."[66]

The 1980 United States Supreme Court decision United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians ruled that the Sioux had not received just compensation for their land in the Black Hills[67], which includes Mount Rushmore.

In 2004, Gerard Baker was appointed as superintendent of the park, the first and so far only Native American in that role. Baker stated that he will open up more "avenues of interpretation", and that the four presidents are "only one avenue and only one focus."[68] The Crazy Horse Memorial is being constructed elsewhere in the Black Hills to commemorate the Native American leader as a response to Mount Rushmore. Upon completion, it will be larger than Mount Rushmore and has the support of Lakota chiefs. The Crazy Horse Memorial Foundation has rejected offers of federal funds, but it is the subject of controversy, even among Native American tribes.[69]

In 2020, in discussing U.S. President Donald Trump's July 3 visit to Mount Rushmore, Nick Tilsen, president of NDN Collective, an Indigenous-led organization dedicated to building Indigenous power; and a citizen of the Oglala Lakota Nation, stated, "...we have refused to accept the settlement — an amount that has slowly accrued interest and is now well over $1 billion — because we won't settle for anything less than the full return of our lands as stipulated by the treaties our nations signed and agreed upon."[70]

Mount Rushmore - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Many people have much to learn about factual/truthful Native American history.

That's all quite irrelevant at this point in time. You know this.

No, it's not irrelevant. It's never irrelevant. They've never cashed the check.

From the OP:

In 2020, in discussing U.S. President Donald Trump's July 3 visit to Mount Rushmore, Nick Tilsen, president of NDN Collective, an Indigenous-led organization dedicated to building Indigenous power; and a citizen of the Oglala Lakota Nation, stated, "...we have refused to accept the settlement — an amount that has slowly accrued interest and is now well over $1 billion — because we won't settle for anything less than the full return of our lands as stipulated by the treaties our nations signed and agreed upon."[70]

It's irrelevant. We live in the now. It's US territory.

As I stated above - they have never cashed the check for the stolen land.

So, should one expect an uprising?

I'm not sure yet. It depends on just how far and strong the current wave against racial injustice grows.

A five-minute war that has nothing to do with race.

 

[Lakhota]

In 2004, Gerard Baker was appointed as superintendent of the park, the first and so far only Native American in that role. Baker stated that he will open up more "avenues of interpretation", and that the four presidents are "only one avenue and only one focus."[68] The Crazy Horse Memorial is being constructed elsewhere in the Black Hills to commemorate the Native American leader as a response to Mount Rushmore. Upon completion, it will be larger than Mount Rushmore and has the support of Lakota chiefs. The Crazy Horse Memorial Foundation has rejected offers of federal funds, but it is the subject of controversy, even among Native American tribes.[69]

All ok by me.,. I have no problem with COMPLETE history.. Just with "alternative" history... But that National Park was dedicated NINETY years ago now.. And was in the works 100 years ago,...

Indian nations OWN the lucrative casino biz in this country.. MUCH more lucrative and lasting than any form of reparations --- IF the tribes don't kill each other over the windfall profits... SHOULD be lifting up those remaining on reservations that have gotten their "Indian Trust Fund" in Washington wiped out and robbed by politicians...

What does all that superfluous bullshit have to do with the Treaty of Fort Laramie (1868)?

 

[Lakhota]

The Treaty of Fort Laramie (1868) had granted the Black Hills to the Lakota people in perpetuity, but the United States took the area from the tribe after the Great Sioux War of 1876. Members of the American Indian Movement led an occupation of the monument in 1971, naming it "Mount Crazy Horse", and Lakota holy man John Fire Lame Deer planted a prayer staff on top of the mountain. Lame Deer said that the staff formed a symbolic shroud over the presidents' faces "which shall remain dirty until the treaties concerning the Black Hills are fulfilled."[66]

The 1980 United States Supreme Court decision United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians ruled that the Sioux had not received just compensation for their land in the Black Hills[67], which includes Mount Rushmore.

In 2004, Gerard Baker was appointed as superintendent of the park, the first and so far only Native American in that role. Baker stated that he will open up more "avenues of interpretation", and that the four presidents are "only one avenue and only one focus."[68] The Crazy Horse Memorial is being constructed elsewhere in the Black Hills to commemorate the Native American leader as a response to Mount Rushmore. Upon completion, it will be larger than Mount Rushmore and has the support of Lakota chiefs. The Crazy Horse Memorial Foundation has rejected offers of federal funds, but it is the subject of controversy, even among Native American tribes.[69]

In 2020, in discussing U.S. President Donald Trump's July 3 visit to Mount Rushmore, Nick Tilsen, president of NDN Collective, an Indigenous-led organization dedicated to building Indigenous power; and a citizen of the Oglala Lakota Nation, stated, "...we have refused to accept the settlement — an amount that has slowly accrued interest and is now well over $1 billion — because we won't settle for anything less than the full return of our lands as stipulated by the treaties our nations signed and agreed upon."[70]

Mount Rushmore - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Many people have much to learn about factual/truthful Native American history.

That's all quite irrelevant at this point in time. You know this.

No, it's not irrelevant. It's never irrelevant. They've never cashed the check.

From the OP:

In 2020, in discussing U.S. President Donald Trump's July 3 visit to Mount Rushmore, Nick Tilsen, president of NDN Collective, an Indigenous-led organization dedicated to building Indigenous power; and a citizen of the Oglala Lakota Nation, stated, "...we have refused to accept the settlement — an amount that has slowly accrued interest and is now well over $1 billion — because we won't settle for anything less than the full return of our lands as stipulated by the treaties our nations signed and agreed upon."[70]

It's irrelevant. We live in the now. It's US territory.

As I stated above - they have never cashed the check for the stolen land.

So, should one expect an uprising?

I'm not sure yet. It depends on just how far and strong the current wave against racial injustice grows.

A five-minute war that has nothing to do with race.

Billy, you're on the edge of me placing you on permanent ignore. Any wars that are fought will be in Congress and the courts.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I'm not sure yet. It depends on just how far and strong the current wave against racial injustice grows.

OMG... You really think that the obnoxious behavior of a some unruly and ignorant tools is re: race?
This is about the the destruction of the government of the USA... The socialists have arrived and are using and abusing these ignorant phucks like borrowed mules... Get a grip, Lakhota ...

 

[flacaltenn]

Just one of many treaties white people have broken with the NA's. There it is in Black and white yet they lack the moral fortitude to honor their agreement.

They want it back so THEY can run a National Park? That would be like returning the beads to the "manhattan" tribe and letting them try to run the place and get rich on taxi medallion fraud...

The Lakhota don't want a financial settlement.. I'm sure there's a financial offer on the table..

 

[Lakhota]

What if America honored its Native American treaties?

Tim Giago: Broken treaties remain among America's deepest and darkest secrets

While America is spending billions attacking other sovereign nations, there is still a dark secret it is hiding in its own backyard.

www.indianz.com

6 Native leaders on what it would look like if the US kept its promises

The US has signed hundreds of treaties with Indigenous peoples. Here’s what would happen if the government actually honored them.

www.vox.com

In 1868, Two Nations Made a Treaty, the U.S. Broke It and Plains Indian Tribes are Still Seeking Justice

The American Indian Museum puts the 150-year-old Fort Laramie Treaty on view in its "Nation to Nation" exhibition

www.smithsonianmag.com

 

[Asclepias]

Just one of many treaties white people have broken with the NA's. There it is in Black and white yet they lack the moral fortitude to honor their agreement.

They want it back so THEY can run a National Park? That would be like returning the beads to the "manhattan" tribe and letting them try to run the place and get rich on taxi medallion fraud...

The Lakhota don't want a financial settlement.. I'm sure there's a financial offer on the table..

Doesnt matter why they want it back. The point is that they signed a treaty in good faith with whites and you see the results of that. If there is a financial offer on the table then it should be up to them to accept or reject it.

 

[flacaltenn]

Just one of many treaties white people have broken with the NA's. There it is in Black and white yet they lack the moral fortitude to honor their agreement.

They want it back so THEY can run a National Park? That would be like returning the beads to the "manhattan" tribe and letting them try to run the place and get rich on taxi medallion fraud...

The Lakhota don't want a financial settlement.. I'm sure there's a financial offer on the table..

Doesnt matter why they want it back. The point is that they signed a treaty in good faith with whites and you see the results of that. If there is a financial offer on the table then it should be up to them to accept or reject it.

Russia probably wants Alaska back and France wants the Lousiana purchase back the Reconquista Movement is gonna TAKE back Cali and the SWest... Any day now...

I'm all for being FAIRER TODAY to the tribes... Govt STILL robbing the Indian Trust Fund like they robbed the Soc Sec Trust Fund..

I've said for a couple decades now, we should CLOSE the BLM and give ALL those lands back to the tribes... In a manner that reflects their ANCIENT stomping grounds.. Because I TRUST THEM to take better care of the land than the BLM or Forestry service ever will... THAT would be a significant portion of the US west of the Mississip...

Think BIG -- Make GREAT deals... I see NO down side in making that peace offering..

 

[Dale Smith]

The Treaty of Fort Laramie (1868) had granted the Black Hills to the Lakota people in perpetuity, but the United States took the area from the tribe after the Great Sioux War of 1876. Members of the American Indian Movement led an occupation of the monument in 1971, naming it "Mount Crazy Horse", and Lakota holy man John Fire Lame Deer planted a prayer staff on top of the mountain. Lame Deer said that the staff formed a symbolic shroud over the presidents' faces "which shall remain dirty until the treaties concerning the Black Hills are fulfilled."[66]

The 1980 United States Supreme Court decision United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians ruled that the Sioux had not received just compensation for their land in the Black Hills[67], which includes Mount Rushmore.

In 2004, Gerard Baker was appointed as superintendent of the park, the first and so far only Native American in that role. Baker stated that he will open up more "avenues of interpretation", and that the four presidents are "only one avenue and only one focus."[68] The Crazy Horse Memorial is being constructed elsewhere in the Black Hills to commemorate the Native American leader as a response to Mount Rushmore. Upon completion, it will be larger than Mount Rushmore and has the support of Lakota chiefs. The Crazy Horse Memorial Foundation has rejected offers of federal funds, but it is the subject of controversy, even among Native American tribes.[69]

In 2020, in discussing U.S. President Donald Trump's July 3 visit to Mount Rushmore, Nick Tilsen, president of NDN Collective, an Indigenous-led organization dedicated to building Indigenous power; and a citizen of the Oglala Lakota Nation, stated, "...we have refused to accept the settlement — an amount that has slowly accrued interest and is now well over $1 billion — because we won't settle for anything less than the full return of our lands as stipulated by the treaties our nations signed and agreed upon."[70]

Mount Rushmore - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Many people have much to learn about factual/truthful Native American history.

That's all quite irrelevant at this point in time. You know this.

No, it's not irrelevant. It's never irrelevant. They've never cashed the check.

From the OP:

In 2020, in discussing U.S. President Donald Trump's July 3 visit to Mount Rushmore, Nick Tilsen, president of NDN Collective, an Indigenous-led organization dedicated to building Indigenous power; and a citizen of the Oglala Lakota Nation, stated, "...we have refused to accept the settlement — an amount that has slowly accrued interest and is now well over $1 billion — because we won't settle for anything less than the full return of our lands as stipulated by the treaties our nations signed and agreed upon."[70]

It's irrelevant. We live in the now. It's US territory.

As I stated above - they have never cashed the check for the stolen land.

So, should one expect an uprising?

I'm not sure yet. It depends on just how far and strong the current wave against racial injustice grows.

A five-minute war that has nothing to do with race.

Billy, you're on the edge of me placing you on permanent ignore. Any wars that are fought will be in Congress and the courts.

ROTFLMAO!!! What a ditz....just because you "Ignore" Billy Kinetta doesn't mean that his responses to your lame assertions won't be seen by others. Billy has a huge following here and I bet he would even say that your lame musings are just like a prop to him. He can still bust on your stupid ass to the delight of the rest of us that see you as a silly little ninny.

 

[Lakhota]

Custer, and many others, died to defend stealing gold from Native Americans.

 

[flacaltenn]

Custer, and many others, died to defend stealing gold from Native Americans.

How come the Indians didn't mine it and sell it?? They might STILL BE THERE.. Instead of going back to war with the US...

 

[Ridgerunner]

Custer, and many others, died to defend stealing gold from Native Americans.

What happened to you? Did you fall and hit your head? The powers at be have been sending folks off to fight since the beginning of time... Custer was a tool just like all of us...

 

[flacaltenn]

When did the Indians discover gold in Dakotas??? Should have been selling it to settlers when they were STILL EAST of Mississippi. Would have been a RICH and POWERFUL nation by the time the push into the Dakotas happened..

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Lots of interesting information here. No idea what the best way to handle all these issues are. Apparently even the tribal reps are divided. Never before heard of the federal offer of financial compensation/reparations or the offer to finance a sculpture for Native American people. Certainly the treaty was broken.

Too bad something close to the original proposal for this tourist attraction and monumental sculpture was rejected:

“The sculptor and tribal representatives settled on Mount Rushmore.... Robinson wanted it to feature American West heroes, such as Lewis & Clark, their expedition guide Sacagawea, Oglala Lakota chief Red Cloud, Buffalo Bill Cody, and Oglala Lakota chief Crazy Horse. Borglum believed that the sculpture should have broader appeal and chose the four presidents.”

The Presidents look fine, but I think those great scenes from “North by Northwest” would have looked just as cool with Cary Grant and Eva Marie Saint climbing over the faces of Crazy Horse & Sacagawea!

 

[Dale Smith]

Custer, and many others, died to defend stealing gold from Native Americans.

What use did injuns have for gold????

 

[yidnar]

Just one of many treaties white people have broken with the NA's. There it is in Black and white yet they lack the moral fortitude to honor their agreement.

They want it back so THEY can run a National Park? That would be like returning the beads to the "manhattan" tribe and letting them try to run the place and get rich on taxi medallion fraud...

The Lakhota don't want a financial settlement.. I'm sure there's a financial offer on the table..

Doesnt matter why they want it back. The point is that they signed a treaty in good faith with whites and you see the results of that. If there is a financial offer on the table then it should be up to them to accept or reject it.

im just glad the US didnt take land from Africa ! America has enough shithole zones ! could you imagine Chicago or Detroit times a thousand !