NASA predicts Megadroughts

[ChrisL]

Uh, yeah, I'm not a scientist or anything, so these maps and charts don't really help me out much. I was hoping for something in laymen's terms?

You have eyes yes? You have a brain yes? All it takes is a pair of eyes looking at the graphs and looking at the photo and seeing where the ice has exploded beyond the 20 year average line and it is obvious. You need not be a scientist to understand these graphs. My 8 year old daughter understands them. You will too if you only look.

There is NO need to be rude. No, I don't understand your graphs and charts. Sorry if you are offended by that. I would prefer a link with text that I can read. I never was any good with graphs and charts.

I find it interesting that you believe and not question what you hear, but question the rebuttal presented here by folks who have knowledge of it. I find that silliness.

You find it silly to listen to experts as opposed to anonymous people on the internet, huh?

I find it silly you believe without any thought.

I find it silly that you jumped into this conversation without knowing anything. And what qualifications do YOU have to be saying anything? Obviously none, noted by your terminology about Gods and evil people who hate humans. Lol. Now THAT is silly.

 

[jc456]

The correct answer is:

if it gets "hot," then it's obviously AGW!

but if it gets "Cold," then that's just a paradoxical effect of AGW.

And surely it will usually get hotter or colder and therefore --

AGW!!!!

No, that is not it at all. It is that the ice caps melt, which in turn cools the ocean, which in turn creates terrible storms, from hurricanes to blizzards. Hey, I'm not a scientist. These are just things that I've read about global warming.

There has never been a period in Earths history where these things have not happened. Google ANY year you wish and add storm to the search. You will find that nothing is different now than back in the past. Well, that's not exactly true. The worst storms that man has experienced were in the past. In 1862 there was a storm that lasted for 4 weeks and flooded California's central valley. That whole area in blue that you see on the map below was under water. Sacramento figured out the only way to deal with it was to raise the city. So that's what they did.

There has not been a storm like that in the US since. But there will be another.....and it won't have the slightest thing to do with man.

"The Pacific slope has been visited by the most disastrous flood that has occurred since its settlement by white men. From Sacramento northward to the Columbia River, in California, Nevada Territory, and Oregon, all the streams have risen to a great height, flooded the valleys, [inundated towns, swept away mills, dams, flumes, houses, fences, domestic animals, ruined fields and effected damage, estimated at $10,000,000. All Sacramento City, save a small part of one street, part of Marysville, part of Santa Rosa, part of Auburn, part of Sonora, part of Nevada, and part of Napa, not to speak of less important towns, were under water.

The rainy season commenced on the 8th of November, and for four weeks, with scarcely any intermission, the rain continued to fall very gently in San Francisco, but in heavy showers in the interior. According to the statement of a Grass Valley paper, nine inches of rain fell there in thirty-six hours on the 7th and 8th inst. Whether, it is possible that so much rain could fall in thirty-six hours I will not decide; but it is certain that, the amount was great, for the next day the river-beds were full almost to the hilltops. The North Fork of the American River at Auburn rose thirty-five feet, and in many other mountain streams the rise was almost as great. On the 9th the flood reached the low land of the Sacramento Valley. "
THE GREAT FLOOD IN CALIFORNIA. - Great Destruction of Property Damage 10 000 000. - NYTimes.com

Well, the one thing that causes me to doubt global warming is not really weather patterns, but would be the fact that volcanoes and other natural processes also contribute to green house gases. BUT, why would all of those climatologists lie? What would they have to gain by lying to us? This is the question. There is pretty much a consensus amongst them that global warming is real.

guaranteed money. Lots and lots of money. Money that comes from us the people of the US. No where else in the world, just us. Ask the warmer alarmists why that is and they will tell you it is due to our over use, yet, they won't concede that the US has adjusted. They are evil people who want human kind to die. They hate humans. They look for solutions to lose human life. Tax credits is one such move.

"Evil people who hate humans." Lol. Yes, you sound like someone who has his shit together. Look, I'm not interested in the partisan bickering. K? I had some questions and I had them answered. I don't what your problem is.

Hey, you're in a message board where that is all that is done. You don't want to get into a debate, fine. But the posts are public and viewable and I found your tactic a bit sloppy for what you now claim. You got the reactions you got based on your delivery methodology. My apologize if I came off harsh. It is what happens here daily.

Do you still believe the Arctic has melted?

 

[jc456]

You have eyes yes? You have a brain yes? All it takes is a pair of eyes looking at the graphs and looking at the photo and seeing where the ice has exploded beyond the 20 year average line and it is obvious. You need not be a scientist to understand these graphs. My 8 year old daughter understands them. You will too if you only look.

There is NO need to be rude. No, I don't understand your graphs and charts. Sorry if you are offended by that. I would prefer a link with text that I can read. I never was any good with graphs and charts.

I find it interesting that you believe and not question what you hear, but question the rebuttal presented here by folks who have knowledge of it. I find that silliness.

You find it silly to listen to experts as opposed to anonymous people on the internet, huh?

I find it silly you believe without any thought.

I find it silly that you jumped into this conversation without knowing anything. And what qualifications do YOU have to be saying anything? Obviously none, noted by your terminology about Gods and evil people who hate humans. Lol. Now THAT is silly.

it's a message board!! No, I have zero qualifications other than I am a taxpayer and I am out to save my money from the likes of those who lie about our climate. Again, I educated myself doing research, I suggest you continue with yours.

 

[jc456]

You have eyes yes? You have a brain yes? All it takes is a pair of eyes looking at the graphs and looking at the photo and seeing where the ice has exploded beyond the 20 year average line and it is obvious. You need not be a scientist to understand these graphs. My 8 year old daughter understands them. You will too if you only look.

There is NO need to be rude. No, I don't understand your graphs and charts. Sorry if you are offended by that. I would prefer a link with text that I can read. I never was any good with graphs and charts.

I find it interesting that you believe and not question what you hear, but question the rebuttal presented here by folks who have knowledge of it. I find that silliness.

You find it silly to listen to experts as opposed to anonymous people on the internet, huh?

I find it silly you believe without any thought.

I find it silly that you jumped into this conversation without knowing anything. And what qualifications do YOU have to be saying anything? Obviously none, noted by your terminology about Gods and evil people who hate humans. Lol. Now THAT is silly.

BTW, go to this thread and do some more reading...
Barack Obama Goes Full Stalin - The attack on Dr. Willie Soon is in full swing

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Is Daniel kidding or is he truly a fucking moron?

 

[jc456]

Research it yourself. The data is there.

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png

Uh, yeah, I'm not a scientist or anything, so these maps and charts don't really help me out much. I was hoping for something in laymen's terms?

You have eyes yes? You have a brain yes? All it takes is a pair of eyes looking at the graphs and looking at the photo and seeing where the ice has exploded beyond the 20 year average line and it is obvious. You need not be a scientist to understand these graphs. My 8 year old daughter understands them. You will too if you only look.

There is NO need to be rude. No, I don't understand your graphs and charts. Sorry if you are offended by that. I would prefer a link with text that I can read. I never was any good with graphs and charts.

I find it interesting that you believe and not question what you hear, but question the rebuttal presented here by folks who have knowledge of it. I find that silliness.

You find it silly to listen to experts as opposed to anonymous people on the internet, huh?

I was thinking, Then why are you on a message board on an internet asking question of people you have no idea who they are and most probably won't be experts? That is a hypocritical to your intent.

 

[ChrisL]

Uh, yeah, I'm not a scientist or anything, so these maps and charts don't really help me out much. I was hoping for something in laymen's terms?

You have eyes yes? You have a brain yes? All it takes is a pair of eyes looking at the graphs and looking at the photo and seeing where the ice has exploded beyond the 20 year average line and it is obvious. You need not be a scientist to understand these graphs. My 8 year old daughter understands them. You will too if you only look.

There is NO need to be rude. No, I don't understand your graphs and charts. Sorry if you are offended by that. I would prefer a link with text that I can read. I never was any good with graphs and charts.

I find it interesting that you believe and not question what you hear, but question the rebuttal presented here by folks who have knowledge of it. I find that silliness.

You find it silly to listen to experts as opposed to anonymous people on the internet, huh?

I was thinking, Then why are you on a message board on an internet asking question of people you have no idea who they are and most probably won't be experts? That is a hypocritical to your intent.

I was trying to get other people's opinions on the subject matter. A couple of them, yes, I am more familiar with their posts and respect them as posters. Do you have some kind of problem with me? Out of all the people on this thread, it's MY posts that you take issue with? WTF are you?

 

[ChrisL]

There is NO need to be rude. No, I don't understand your graphs and charts. Sorry if you are offended by that. I would prefer a link with text that I can read. I never was any good with graphs and charts.

I find it interesting that you believe and not question what you hear, but question the rebuttal presented here by folks who have knowledge of it. I find that silliness.

You find it silly to listen to experts as opposed to anonymous people on the internet, huh?

I find it silly you believe without any thought.

I find it silly that you jumped into this conversation without knowing anything. And what qualifications do YOU have to be saying anything? Obviously none, noted by your terminology about Gods and evil people who hate humans. Lol. Now THAT is silly.

it's a message board!! No, I have zero qualifications other than I am a taxpayer and I am out to save my money from the likes of those who lie about our climate. Again, I educated myself doing research, I suggest you continue with yours.

Get lost then.

 

[jc456]

You have eyes yes? You have a brain yes? All it takes is a pair of eyes looking at the graphs and looking at the photo and seeing where the ice has exploded beyond the 20 year average line and it is obvious. You need not be a scientist to understand these graphs. My 8 year old daughter understands them. You will too if you only look.

There is NO need to be rude. No, I don't understand your graphs and charts. Sorry if you are offended by that. I would prefer a link with text that I can read. I never was any good with graphs and charts.

I find it interesting that you believe and not question what you hear, but question the rebuttal presented here by folks who have knowledge of it. I find that silliness.

You find it silly to listen to experts as opposed to anonymous people on the internet, huh?

I was thinking, Then why are you on a message board on an internet asking question of people you have no idea who they are and most probably won't be experts? That is a hypocritical to your intent.

I was trying to get other people's opinions on the subject matter. A couple of them, yes, I am more familiar with their posts and respect them as posters. Do you have some kind of problem with me? Out of all the people on this thread, it's MY posts that you take issue with? WTF are you?

I already know them by past conversations in many different threads. I have respect for those who believe as I do. They are smarter than me in some aspects of this discussion and I value their words. I have interacted with others who do nothing more than bad mouth folks and call others names, like....deniers. I am evil because I deny the experts. Hence the God statement earlier. I have been here for 14 moths and have had many many discussions. Yours I was following and you seemed to be a bit offensive based on your reactions, so I thought I'd ask some questions. Again, it's a message board and what is done here. You can do personal messages with others to stay away from a public viewing.

Also, I have no respect for someone who qualifies themselves with a statement that an expert is an expert and therefore can't be questioned. All I say is too bad!!!!
Again, sorry if I was harsh at you. I did that once already.

 

[jc456]

I find it interesting that you believe and not question what you hear, but question the rebuttal presented here by folks who have knowledge of it. I find that silliness.

You find it silly to listen to experts as opposed to anonymous people on the internet, huh?

I find it silly you believe without any thought.

I find it silly that you jumped into this conversation without knowing anything. And what qualifications do YOU have to be saying anything? Obviously none, noted by your terminology about Gods and evil people who hate humans. Lol. Now THAT is silly.

it's a message board!! No, I have zero qualifications other than I am a taxpayer and I am out to save my money from the likes of those who lie about our climate. Again, I educated myself doing research, I suggest you continue with yours.

Get lost then.

did you really write this after I apologized?

 

[jc456]

Is Daniel kidding or is he truly a fucking moron?

yes and yes

 

[ChrisL]

You find it silly to listen to experts as opposed to anonymous people on the internet, huh?

I find it silly you believe without any thought.

I find it silly that you jumped into this conversation without knowing anything. And what qualifications do YOU have to be saying anything? Obviously none, noted by your terminology about Gods and evil people who hate humans. Lol. Now THAT is silly.

it's a message board!! No, I have zero qualifications other than I am a taxpayer and I am out to save my money from the likes of those who lie about our climate. Again, I educated myself doing research, I suggest you continue with yours.

Get lost then.

did you really write this after I apologized?

Apologized? I haven't even posted on this thread in a couple of days, and you come out of nowhere and come across as a jerk and expect to be taken seriously all of the sudden. Lol. I don't know who you are or what your problem is with my posts. Obviously you have some kind of problem that you cannot specify.

Obviously your problem is with the climatologists . . . not me. I was just relaying things I had read.

 

[jc456]

I find it silly you believe without any thought.

I find it silly that you jumped into this conversation without knowing anything. And what qualifications do YOU have to be saying anything? Obviously none, noted by your terminology about Gods and evil people who hate humans. Lol. Now THAT is silly.

it's a message board!! No, I have zero qualifications other than I am a taxpayer and I am out to save my money from the likes of those who lie about our climate. Again, I educated myself doing research, I suggest you continue with yours.

Get lost then.

did you really write this after I apologized?

Apologized? I haven't even posted on this thread in a couple of days, and you come out of nowhere and come across as a jerk and expect to be taken seriously all of the sudden. Lol. I don't know who you are or what your problem is with my posts. Obviously you have some kind of problem that you cannot specify.

Obviously your problem is with the climatologists . . . not me. I was just relaying things I had read.

yes apologized. when someone says I'm sorry, it is an apology.

Lastly, it's a message board, I'm not on all the time. I read and respond as I go through a thread. So you wrote that days ago, so what? One responds when one responds.

And my problem is at the politicals who make climatologists gods. As I stated once already.

And I asked a few posts ago, do you still believe the polar regions are melting?

 

[jc456]

ChrisL, here is a perfect example of the material being posted. open the link...http://unsdsn.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/US-Deep-Decarbonization-Report.pdf

 

[Flopper]

People should read about what happened in 30's in the west. It was truly horrible and what NASA is predicting is much worse. Forget about global warming. It;s too lake to stop this disaster. We should be working now on how to deal with the problem because it will be huge.

Actually the solution is quite simple.

Just give California back to Mexico.

That would sure make Mexico happy.
California has the highest gross state product of any state, produces the more federal revenue than any state and is tenth is in per capita receipt of federal funds.

 

[danielpalos]

Why? What makes you believe that? Socialism already took us to the moon and back; capitalism is still trying to find a profit motive.

Who built the Saturn V rocket?

The socialism of command economics. Capitalism had no profit motive without it.

Private companies built it, numskull. It's true they wouldn't have built unless government paid for it. However, all that means is that American consumers didn't really want it.

Yes, socialism bailed out capitalism due to our (social) Space Race.

Socialism never bailed out shit in the entire history of socialism. It doesn't have any money of its own, so how can it bail anything out?

Socialism won our Space Race; capitalism has yet to discover a profit motive to even go to the moon.

 

[danielpalos]

Is Daniel kidding or is he truly a fucking moron?

I don't need to resort to fallacy as much as those of the opposing view; that makes those of the opposing view, dumber.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Is Daniel kidding or is he truly a fucking moron?

I don't need to resort to fallacy as much as those of the opposing view; that makes those of the opposing view, dumber.

I still can't tell

LOL

 

[ChrisL]

Is Daniel kidding or is he truly a fucking moron?

I don't need to resort to fallacy as much as those of the opposing view; that makes those of the opposing view, dumber.

I still can't tell

LOL

Don't bother trying. He just throws words together and tries to make a sentence. Most of them are pretty much nonsensical.

 

[danielpalos]

You must be on the right, communist, and not know it; at least, i am trying to become a better poet.