NAFTA, Globalism, Trumpery

[Luddly Neddite]

First, I am SO sick of the lie that Bill Clinton is the daddy of NAFTA. He is not. It started with Ronnie RayGun, and HW signed it into law.

Bush signs North American trade pact Clinton says he won't renegotiate
December 18, 1992|By Gilbert A. Lewthwaite | Gilbert A.
Lewthwaite,Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON -- President Bush signed the North American Free Trade Agreement yesterday, and his successor-in-waiting Bill Clinton immediately announced that he would not seek the treaty's renegotiation.

Yes, Clinton could have fought it but the Repubs weren't having it.

North American Free Trade Agreement Signing | Video | C-SPAN.org

Now, Drumpf is counting on the ignorance of the right to continue this lie and embellish on it.

History lesson: More Republicans than Democrats supported NAFTA


Meanwhile, Trumpery's trumpery is that he's against globalization. Does he not know that its not just crooked deals that he's good at but also globalization?

Report: Dozens of Trump products made overseas


Trump Outsourcing original

My bet is that the trumpkins will avoid this thread like the truth it is. If othing else, maybe we can get them to stop repeating the lie that NAFTA was Clinton's. Yeah, not likely.

Anyone?

 

[Auld Phart]

Clinton Signs NAFTA - HISTORY.com Audio

 

[DarkFury]

Just the way its going to be.......

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

First, I am SO sick of the lie that Bill Clinton is the daddy of NAFTA. He is not. It started with Ronnie RayGun, and HW signed it into law.

Bush signs North American trade pact Clinton says he won't renegotiate
December 18, 1992|By Gilbert A. Lewthwaite | Gilbert A.
Lewthwaite,Washington Bureau
WASHINGTON -- President Bush signed the North American Free Trade Agreement yesterday, and his successor-in-waiting Bill Clinton immediately announced that he would not seek the treaty's renegotiation.

Yes, Clinton could have fought it but the Repubs weren't having it.

North American Free Trade Agreement Signing | Video | C-SPAN.org

Now, Drumpf is counting on the ignorance of the right to continue this lie and embellish on it.

History lesson: More Republicans than Democrats supported NAFTA


Meanwhile, Trumpery's trumpery is that he's against globalization. Does he not know that its not just crooked deals that he's good at but also globalization?

Report: Dozens of Trump products made overseas


Trump Outsourcing original

My bet is that the trumpkins will avoid this thread like the truth it is. If othing else, maybe we can get them to stop repeating the lie that NAFTA was Clinton's. Yeah, not likely.

Anyone?

Yes, Clinton could have fought it but the Repubs weren't having it.

The Dems had the majority in both Houses....and Clinton was President.
Clinton was President when he signed it into law.

 

[MarathonMike]

Bush as I recall pushed hard for NAFTA, an agreement that also included Canada. His signing was largely ceremonial, basically his parting shot before leaving. A year later Clinton signed it for real along with majority support from the GOP in both the House and Senate. That's when it became law.

Bush made the huge mistake of believing that increased exports was our key to success. Ross Perot had it right saying that "The giant sucking sound you hear will be US jobs being sucked into Mexico because of NAFTA". That's why I voted for Perot. I knew back then NAFTA was a shitty trade agreement for the US. Trump understands trade and he is going to fix not just NAFTA but the rest of the shitty trade agreements we've made. Who signed what and when is of secondary importance but you are correct that Bush was the original signer. However it did not become official law until Clinton signed it a year later.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Bush as I recall pushed hard for NAFTA, an agreement that also included Canada. His signing was largely ceremonial, basically his parting shot before leaving. A year later Clinton signed it for real along with majority support from the GOP in both the House and Senate. That's when it became law.

Bush made the huge mistake of believing that increased exports was our key to success. Ross Perot had it right saying that "The giant sucking sound you hear will be US jobs being sucked into Mexico because of NAFTA". That's why I voted for Perot. I knew back then NAFTA was a shitty trade agreement for the US. Trump understands trade and he is going to fix not just NAFTA but the rest of the shitty trade agreements we've made. Who signed what and when is of secondary importance but you are correct that Bush was the original signer. However it did not become official law until Clinton signed it a year later.

Ross Perot had it right saying that "The giant sucking sound you hear will be US jobs being sucked into Mexico because of NAFTA".

The only sucking sound was between Perot's ears.
Manufacturing employment climbed 500,000 from signing NAFTA thru 12/99. Top chart.
Series Id: CES3000000001 BLS
Total employment climbed from 108.4 million to 130.8 million over the same period. Bottom chart.
Series Id: CES0000000001 BLS

 

[sealybobo]

Clinton Signs NAFTA - HISTORY.com Audio

You pretend NAFTA wasn't altered after Bush/Chaney/Rove/Hastert took over. You would be wrong.

Outsourcing to China Cost U.S. 3.2 Million Jobs Since 2001

Yes Clinton signed NAFTA. But NAFTA today isn't what NAFTA was in the 90's or in 2000. Once the GOP got their hands on it the middle class was doomed.

Why? Because unions built the middle class. And the GOP/Corporations wanted to break/destroy unions. They always have and still do.

So Trump wants to bring jobs back but they won't pay like they used to.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Clinton Signs NAFTA - HISTORY.com Audio

You pretend NAFTA wasn't altered after Bush/Chaney/Rove/Hastert took over. You would be wrong.

Outsourcing to China Cost U.S. 3.2 Million Jobs Since 2001

Yes Clinton signed NAFTA. But NAFTA today isn't what NAFTA was in the 90's or in 2000. Once the GOP got their hands on it the middle class was doomed.

Why? Because unions built the middle class. And the GOP/Corporations wanted to break/destroy unions. They always have and still do.

So Trump wants to bring jobs back but they won't pay like they used to.

Yes Clinton signed NAFTA. But NAFTA today isn't what NAFTA was in the 90's or in 2000. Once the GOP got their hands on it the middle class was doomed.

Really? What did the GOP do to NAFTA?
How many votes did their revisions receive? Link?

 

[sealybobo]

Clinton Signs NAFTA - HISTORY.com Audio

You pretend NAFTA wasn't altered after Bush/Chaney/Rove/Hastert took over. You would be wrong.

Outsourcing to China Cost U.S. 3.2 Million Jobs Since 2001

Yes Clinton signed NAFTA. But NAFTA today isn't what NAFTA was in the 90's or in 2000. Once the GOP got their hands on it the middle class was doomed.

Why? Because unions built the middle class. And the GOP/Corporations wanted to break/destroy unions. They always have and still do.

So Trump wants to bring jobs back but they won't pay like they used to.

Yes Clinton signed NAFTA. But NAFTA today isn't what NAFTA was in the 90's or in 2000. Once the GOP got their hands on it the middle class was doomed.

Really? What did the GOP do to NAFTA?
How many votes did their revisions receive? Link?

None.

During the administration of President George W. Bush, there was a controversy over the President's use of signing statements, which critics charged was unusually extensive and modified the meaning of statutes. In July 2006, a task force of the American Bar Association stated that the use of signing statements to modify the meaning of duly enacted laws serves to "undermine the rule of law and our constitutional system of separation of powers"

 

[TNHarley]

OMG another frikkkin moron
Do you dupes all drink the same water or something?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

OMG another frikkkin moron
Do you dupes all drink the same water or something?

Protecting and crippling our industries, tariff taxing the American people, starting trade wars and perhaps real wars is not not smart policy. Most economists turned against tariff protection when it started the Hawley Smoot Great Depression and WW 2 . Now surely you understand?



Golden Rule: the more with whom you trade the richer you get no matter if they are across the street or across the world; the fewer with whom you trade the poorer you get. If you could not trade at all you'd have to make everything yourself and so starve to death or live at subsistence. Hence, the more with whom you trade the richer you get no matter if they are across the street or across the world.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Clinton Signs NAFTA - HISTORY.com Audio

You pretend NAFTA wasn't altered after Bush/Chaney/Rove/Hastert took over. You would be wrong.

Outsourcing to China Cost U.S. 3.2 Million Jobs Since 2001

Yes Clinton signed NAFTA. But NAFTA today isn't what NAFTA was in the 90's or in 2000. Once the GOP got their hands on it the middle class was doomed.

Why? Because unions built the middle class. And the GOP/Corporations wanted to break/destroy unions. They always have and still do.

So Trump wants to bring jobs back but they won't pay like they used to.

Yes Clinton signed NAFTA. But NAFTA today isn't what NAFTA was in the 90's or in 2000. Once the GOP got their hands on it the middle class was doomed.

Really? What did the GOP do to NAFTA?
How many votes did their revisions receive? Link?

None.

During the administration of President George W. Bush, there was a controversy over the President's use of signing statements, which critics charged was unusually extensive and modified the meaning of statutes. In July 2006, a task force of the American Bar Association stated that the use of signing statements to modify the meaning of duly enacted laws serves to "undermine the rule of law and our constitutional system of separation of powers"

So what did the GOP really do to NAFTA?
That you can actually prove.

 

[sealybobo]

Clinton Signs NAFTA - HISTORY.com Audio

You pretend NAFTA wasn't altered after Bush/Chaney/Rove/Hastert took over. You would be wrong.

Outsourcing to China Cost U.S. 3.2 Million Jobs Since 2001

Yes Clinton signed NAFTA. But NAFTA today isn't what NAFTA was in the 90's or in 2000. Once the GOP got their hands on it the middle class was doomed.

Why? Because unions built the middle class. And the GOP/Corporations wanted to break/destroy unions. They always have and still do.

So Trump wants to bring jobs back but they won't pay like they used to.

Yes Clinton signed NAFTA. But NAFTA today isn't what NAFTA was in the 90's or in 2000. Once the GOP got their hands on it the middle class was doomed.

Really? What did the GOP do to NAFTA?
How many votes did their revisions receive? Link?

None.

During the administration of President George W. Bush, there was a controversy over the President's use of signing statements, which critics charged was unusually extensive and modified the meaning of statutes. In July 2006, a task force of the American Bar Association stated that the use of signing statements to modify the meaning of duly enacted laws serves to "undermine the rule of law and our constitutional system of separation of powers"

So what did the GOP really do to NAFTA?
That you can actually prove.

You didn't listen or care in 2002 why do you care now?

They deregulated it stupid. What do you think they did?

And it was us liberals complaining about free trade, not you cons. You were hell bent on doing away with all the high paying manufacturing union jobs. Now you claim to want to help these people? Get real

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Clinton Signs NAFTA - HISTORY.com Audio

You pretend NAFTA wasn't altered after Bush/Chaney/Rove/Hastert took over. You would be wrong.

Outsourcing to China Cost U.S. 3.2 Million Jobs Since 2001

Yes Clinton signed NAFTA. But NAFTA today isn't what NAFTA was in the 90's or in 2000. Once the GOP got their hands on it the middle class was doomed.

Why? Because unions built the middle class. And the GOP/Corporations wanted to break/destroy unions. They always have and still do.

So Trump wants to bring jobs back but they won't pay like they used to.

Yes Clinton signed NAFTA. But NAFTA today isn't what NAFTA was in the 90's or in 2000. Once the GOP got their hands on it the middle class was doomed.

Really? What did the GOP do to NAFTA?
How many votes did their revisions receive? Link?

None.

During the administration of President George W. Bush, there was a controversy over the President's use of signing statements, which critics charged was unusually extensive and modified the meaning of statutes. In July 2006, a task force of the American Bar Association stated that the use of signing statements to modify the meaning of duly enacted laws serves to "undermine the rule of law and our constitutional system of separation of powers"

So what did the GOP really do to NAFTA?
That you can actually prove.

You didn't listen or care in 2002 why do you care now?

They deregulated it stupid. What do you think they did?

And it was us liberals complaining about free trade, not you cons. You were hell bent on doing away with all the high paying manufacturing union jobs. Now you claim to want to help these people? Get real

They "deregulated NAFTA"?
What does that even mean?

 

[sealybobo]

You pretend NAFTA wasn't altered after Bush/Chaney/Rove/Hastert took over. You would be wrong.

Outsourcing to China Cost U.S. 3.2 Million Jobs Since 2001

Yes Clinton signed NAFTA. But NAFTA today isn't what NAFTA was in the 90's or in 2000. Once the GOP got their hands on it the middle class was doomed.

Why? Because unions built the middle class. And the GOP/Corporations wanted to break/destroy unions. They always have and still do.

So Trump wants to bring jobs back but they won't pay like they used to.

Yes Clinton signed NAFTA. But NAFTA today isn't what NAFTA was in the 90's or in 2000. Once the GOP got their hands on it the middle class was doomed.

Really? What did the GOP do to NAFTA?
How many votes did their revisions receive? Link?

None.

During the administration of President George W. Bush, there was a controversy over the President's use of signing statements, which critics charged was unusually extensive and modified the meaning of statutes. In July 2006, a task force of the American Bar Association stated that the use of signing statements to modify the meaning of duly enacted laws serves to "undermine the rule of law and our constitutional system of separation of powers"

So what did the GOP really do to NAFTA?
That you can actually prove.

You didn't listen or care in 2002 why do you care now?

They deregulated it stupid. What do you think they did?

And it was us liberals complaining about free trade, not you cons. You were hell bent on doing away with all the high paying manufacturing union jobs. Now you claim to want to help these people? Get real

They "deregulated NAFTA"?
What does that even mean?

Google NAFTA. It says bill Clinton put in worker and environmental protections when he signed it. Bush and Chaney removed those protections.

Come on Todd you are pretending to be ignorant right? You don't know the GOP montra is too many regulations? I'm sorry but I don't have time for the intellectually dishonest.

It's why you are voting trump. You're stupid. If he tariffs or makes trade fair that's going to hurt corporations and consumers. You guys ain't helping no workers. Fucking liars

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes Clinton signed NAFTA. But NAFTA today isn't what NAFTA was in the 90's or in 2000. Once the GOP got their hands on it the middle class was doomed.

Really? What did the GOP do to NAFTA?
How many votes did their revisions receive? Link?

None.

During the administration of President George W. Bush, there was a controversy over the President's use of signing statements, which critics charged was unusually extensive and modified the meaning of statutes. In July 2006, a task force of the American Bar Association stated that the use of signing statements to modify the meaning of duly enacted laws serves to "undermine the rule of law and our constitutional system of separation of powers"

So what did the GOP really do to NAFTA?
That you can actually prove.

You didn't listen or care in 2002 why do you care now?

They deregulated it stupid. What do you think they did?

And it was us liberals complaining about free trade, not you cons. You were hell bent on doing away with all the high paying manufacturing union jobs. Now you claim to want to help these people? Get real

They "deregulated NAFTA"?
What does that even mean?

Google NAFTA. It says bill Clinton put in worker and environmental protections when he signed it. Bush and Chaney removed those protections.

Come on Todd you are pretending to be ignorant right? You don't know the GOP montra is too many regulations? I'm sorry but I don't have time for the intellectually dishonest.

It's why you are voting trump. You're stupid. If he tariffs or makes trade fair that's going to hurt corporations and consumers. You guys ain't helping no workers. Fucking liars

Google NAFTA. It says bill Clinton put in worker and environmental protections when he signed it. Bush and Chaney removed those protections.

More regulations makes it more expensive to do things here. You get that, right?

If they removed the things you're claiming they removed, it would have saved, not cost, jobs.

You get that..........hello?

Get back to me if you ever find any proof of your claims.

 

[sealybobo]

None.

During the administration of President George W. Bush, there was a controversy over the President's use of signing statements, which critics charged was unusually extensive and modified the meaning of statutes. In July 2006, a task force of the American Bar Association stated that the use of signing statements to modify the meaning of duly enacted laws serves to "undermine the rule of law and our constitutional system of separation of powers"

So what did the GOP really do to NAFTA?
That you can actually prove.

You didn't listen or care in 2002 why do you care now?

They deregulated it stupid. What do you think they did?

And it was us liberals complaining about free trade, not you cons. You were hell bent on doing away with all the high paying manufacturing union jobs. Now you claim to want to help these people? Get real

They "deregulated NAFTA"?
What does that even mean?

Google NAFTA. It says bill Clinton put in worker and environmental protections when he signed it. Bush and Chaney removed those protections.

Come on Todd you are pretending to be ignorant right? You don't know the GOP montra is too many regulations? I'm sorry but I don't have time for the intellectually dishonest.

It's why you are voting trump. You're stupid. If he tariffs or makes trade fair that's going to hurt corporations and consumers. You guys ain't helping no workers. Fucking liars

Google NAFTA. It says bill Clinton put in worker and environmental protections when he signed it. Bush and Chaney removed those protections.

More regulations makes it more expensive to do things here. You get that, right?

If they removed the things you're claiming they removed, it would have saved, not cost, jobs.

You get that..........hello?

Get back to me if you ever find any proof of your claims.

Here's the bottom line. No Republican is going to go along with American workers first. That goes against everything you guys stand for. Republicans put corporations first. So they aren't going to make trade fair because according to Republicans that would cost corporations and ultimately consumers. According to Republicans we are overpaid

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. No Republican is going to go along with American workers first.

Trump is!!! by firstly deporting 30 million illegals so American workers can have 30 million new jobs and huge upward pressure on wages. Do you understand now?

 

[sealybobo]

. No Republican is going to go along with American workers first.

Trump is!!! by firstly deporting 30 million illegals so American workers can have 30 million new jobs and huge upward pressure on wages. Do you understand now?

Have you seen how many illegals have been deported? Democrats can fix immigration.

Immigration is just one of trumps angles. But I hope the government gets the message because I don't approve either. We have an illegal employer problem. They need to be found and prosecuted. Trump would have to prosecute trump construction and trump laundry services and trump landscaping

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Have you seen how many illegals have been deported? Democrats can fix immigration.

Republicans want a wall and deportation. Hillarys dream is open borders. I guess as a liberal you don't follow the news??

Will Hillary explain her dream of 'open borders'? - Chicago Tribune
www.chicagotribune.com/.../ct-hillary-clinton-open-bor...
Chicago Tribune
Oct 11, 2016 - "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that's as green and