My white privilege

[Coyote]

Because I'm a liberal helper

How to Explain White Privilege in Terms Simple Enough for a Child

The term white privilege is often misunderstood. But experts explain why it's important to teach your children what it means and how to do that based on their age.

www.parents.com

It Doesn't Mean That All White People Have Had an Easy Life​

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The common misperception about white privilege is that it implies that being white inherently makes for a life of smooth sailing and that successes aren't hard-earned. People might associate the phrase with financial wealth or other types of privilege that they don't/didn't have, explains Dr. Garrett-Akinsanya.​

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"Some white people deny that advantages are unearned," notes Erin Pahlke, Ph.D., an associate professor of psychology at Whitman College, whose research centers on how children form their views about race. "Often, these people see their own successes as entirely a result of their own hard work and others' struggles as a result of not working hard enough. And some folks mistakenly believe that they can't be privileged because they themselves have suffered personal life hardships."​

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Denial of white privilege might also stem from another belief: that the U.S. operates as a meritocracy, or a system in which you're rewarded exclusively for ability and effort, as opposed to wealth and social class. "There's some research that suggests that white parents are more likely than Black parents to teach their children that the U.S. is a meritocracy," explains Dr. Pahlke. "And, for people who strongly believe that the U.S. is a meritocracy, white privilege can be a hard concept to accept."​

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The misinterpretation of the term is fairly widespread. According to 2017 findings from the Pew Research Center, 46 percent of white Americans say they believe they benefit because of their race, compared to 92 percent of Black Americans and 65 percent of Hispanic Americans who believe that white people benefit.​

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"Because the advantages are so structurally ingrained, privileges are often unconscious and perceived as being unremarkable," explains Dr. Garrett-Akinsanya. "White privilege has a legacy of racism and is a cause of it, too."​

That's not what far leftists mean when they hit you with that term. It is a term made to foist guilt on someone for being white. The very phrase "white privilege" is demeaning and derogatory. It is tantamount to calling a black person a ni**er. And yes, I would have every bit the same right to be offended by the usage of such a term to define people of my racial background.

It is meant to minimize any and all suffering and hardship endured by someone of the Caucasian race.

I'm not falling for that garbage doublespeak you just cited.

Thanks in advance.

So you feel guilty about your white privilege? And, no, it is nothing like using a racial epithet. Again, because I am a liberal helper...

Understanding white privilege: 20 everyday examples

A lesson in how white people benefit from and contribute to structural racism

www.harpersbazaar.com

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
3. I can be pretty sure that my neighbours in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
4. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
5. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
6. When I am told about our national heritage or about “civilisation,” I am shown that people of my colour made it what it is.
7. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
8. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
9. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods that fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser’s shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
10. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin colour not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
11. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
12. I can swear, or dress in second-hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of my race.
13. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
14. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
15. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
16. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of colour who constitute the world’s majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
17. I can criticise our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behaviour without being seen as a cultural outsider.
18. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to “the person in charge,” I will be facing a person of my race.
19. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race.
20. I can easily buy posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and children’s magazines featuring people of my race.

I'll just address the title of the link you cited.

I don't contribute to or benefit from structural racism.

And I'll tell you something else: the structure is being re-tooled to be racist against white people. You can laugh and scoff at that assertion all you want, but you know it to be truth. White people are being villainized for the deeds of their ancestors while blacks are being propped up for the suffering of theirs.

That is an interesting statement...because I would agree, it does sometimes feel that way.

I'm on the fence in how I feel about those things...in part, because of some exploration and discussion with another member here on religion, and her religion (I am expressing this poorly but I'll try) feels a people is collectively responsible for the actions of their people, and have a duty to try to atone and make things right. That doesn't mean going around in sack cloth and ashes...it means you do what you can to understand and stand in some way atone and make better. Whether it's acknowledgement and apology that there was past wrong doing or something else. Whether it's for how the Americans treated the native tribes, or slavery, or Germany's reconciliation of the Holocaust. It's complicated, because I also have a situation going on now, at work, where I have to watch what I say all the time lest it be construed as somehow racist by a particularly volatile and angry individual in the workplace, and that is an uncomfortable situation. IMO, some people are LOOKING for racism...even when it's not there.

 

[Moonglow]

I am white. If privilege applied to me because of my skin color, I would be earning a high 5 figure income with a degree from a college of my choosing on the back of a full-ride scholarship. My privilege would have shielded me from some of the dumbest decisions I ever made in my life. I wouldn't be here dedicating almost 80% of mine and my grandmother's monthly income to bills and survival. We don't enjoy any privilege because of our skin color. Being white never made our lives any easier.

We are a lower-middle-class family who barely has enough money to make ends meet. If there was a privilege, we never knew about it. I am sure the billions of white people who existed in the world before me and throughout history who suffered from poverty, famines, genocide, murder, cruel dictatorships... would have loved to have known about the privilege their skin color supposedly imbued them with. Maybe it would have spared their lives and shielded them from unnecessary suffering. White privilege is hogwash. It reeks of jealousy and has no basis in reality.

My white privilege does not exist.

You failed your white privilege Dude...Start over and try again...

No. I don't want it. I'm serious.

Hey, enjoy it while it's around it disappears around age sixty.

 

[Moonglow]

I am white. If privilege applied to me because of my skin color, I would be earning a high 5 figure income with a degree from a college of my choosing on the back of a full-ride scholarship. My privilege would have shielded me from some of the dumbest decisions I ever made in my life. I wouldn't be here dedicating almost 80% of mine and my grandmother's monthly income to bills and survival. We don't enjoy any privilege because of our skin color. Being white never made our lives any easier.

We are a lower-middle-class family who barely has enough money to make ends meet. If there was a privilege, we never knew about it. I am sure the billions of white people who existed in the world before me and throughout history who suffered from

Are our personalities set in stone, or can we work on – even improve – them?
Read more
The study, which looked at 16 different ideological orientations, could have profound implications for identifying and supporting people most vulnerable to radicalisation across the political and religious spectrum.
... would have loved to have known about the privilege their skin color supposedly imbued them with. Maybe it would have spared their lives and shielded them from unnecessary suffering. White privilege is hogwash. It reeks of jealousy and has no basis in reality.

My white privilege does not exist.

For the sake of discussion...look at the possible other side.

"White privilege" doesn't mean there aren't poor white people...but maybe in can mean the difference between the frying pan and the fire.

I'm thinking, for example, of the justice syste

Your statement: "My privilege would have shielded me from some of the dumbest decisions I ever made in my life."

Maybe, if you had been poor AND black....your "dumb" decisions would have landed you in the juvenile justice system and from their the adult justice system in a downward spiral hitting up against laws like 3 strikes.

It's pretty much proven that black youth's are much more likely to be incarcerated than white youth's for the same crimes. So, that might be a more realistic way to see what white privelege is even though for many it's not much of a privilege.

Another example might be one aspect of poverty itself.

One of the factors that has made black poverty so entrenched is through a systemic system of laws and of violence (white race riots) towards black property owners and businesses and homes and communities that destroyed wealth and the ability to pass it to their children and so on. So as a community - whites (in general) have not had to endure that. Poverty has a lot of causes of course, some in our control, some not. But I think that is one example how race was a factor.

Another one could be this. Even though you and your grandmother are poor? Do you live in a fairly safe neighborhood? Redlining, a practice of maintaining racial segregation in the housing market often relegated black families to the worse neighborhoods - neighborhoods more likely to have the town landfill and other nice amenities located nearby, areas that white people left when black people moved in. When those areas begin to reflect the changing home values, more renters than homeowners, crime increases, incomes go down, people are stuck. Maybe white privilege in poverty means the difference between being poor in a dangerous community or poor in a somewhat safer one.

Just thoughts on a different way of looking at it

Democrats have been all but destroying a segment of the American population that has a darker skin color by telling them that some Bogie Men called 'white supremicists' think of them as not as worthy as people with a lighter skin color. Then they assign the meme 'white privilege' to that faux group and try to apply it to those who Democrats say have a societal privilege because of their lighter skin color. It's really all a damn lie and a divisive one.

White privilege is actually a dangerous racist meme because it singles out a population segment because of so-called 'skin color' which, in itself, is ludicrous. Look around you....Only Albinos are white and even they can look a bit red. Every see an Albino black person? They have Negroid (African) features and THAT is how the Democrats are segregating folks.....Just like the Nazis did to Jews who had certain features that were 'non-Aryan.'

Hmm, I just thought they were racist..And there is no shortage of them folks where I live.

 

[Moonglow]

Because I'm a liberal helper

How to Explain White Privilege in Terms Simple Enough for a Child

The term white privilege is often misunderstood. But experts explain why it's important to teach your children what it means and how to do that based on their age.

www.parents.com

It Doesn't Mean That All White People Have Had an Easy Life​

​

The common misperception about white privilege is that it implies that being white inherently makes for a life of smooth sailing and that successes aren't hard-earned. People might associate the phrase with financial wealth or other types of privilege that they don't/didn't have, explains Dr. Garrett-Akinsanya.​

​

"Some white people deny that advantages are unearned," notes Erin Pahlke, Ph.D., an associate professor of psychology at Whitman College, whose research centers on how children form their views about race. "Often, these people see their own successes as entirely a result of their own hard work and others' struggles as a result of not working hard enough. And some folks mistakenly believe that they can't be privileged because they themselves have suffered personal life hardships."​

​

Denial of white privilege might also stem from another belief: that the U.S. operates as a meritocracy, or a system in which you're rewarded exclusively for ability and effort, as opposed to wealth and social class. "There's some research that suggests that white parents are more likely than Black parents to teach their children that the U.S. is a meritocracy," explains Dr. Pahlke. "And, for people who strongly believe that the U.S. is a meritocracy, white privilege can be a hard concept to accept."​

​

The misinterpretation of the term is fairly widespread. According to 2017 findings from the Pew Research Center, 46 percent of white Americans say they believe they benefit because of their race, compared to 92 percent of Black Americans and 65 percent of Hispanic Americans who believe that white people benefit.​

​

"Because the advantages are so structurally ingrained, privileges are often unconscious and perceived as being unremarkable," explains Dr. Garrett-Akinsanya. "White privilege has a legacy of racism and is a cause of it, too."​

That's not what far leftists mean when they hit you with that term. It is a term made to foist guilt on someone for being white. The very phrase "white privilege" is demeaning and derogatory. It is tantamount to calling a black person a ni**er. And yes, I would have every bit the same right to be offended by the usage of such a term to define people of my racial background.

It is meant to minimize any and all suffering and hardship endured by someone of the Caucasian race.

I'm not falling for that garbage doublespeak you just cited.

Thanks in advance.

So you feel guilty about your white privilege? And, no, it is nothing like using a racial epithet. Again, because I am a liberal helper...

Understanding white privilege: 20 everyday examples

A lesson in how white people benefit from and contribute to structural racism

www.harpersbazaar.com

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
3. I can be pretty sure that my neighbours in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
4. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
5. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
6. When I am told about our national heritage or about “civilisation,” I am shown that people of my colour made it what it is.
7. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
8. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
9. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods that fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser’s shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
10. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin colour not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
11. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
12. I can swear, or dress in second-hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of my race.
13. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
14. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
15. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
16. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of colour who constitute the world’s majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
17. I can criticise our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behaviour without being seen as a cultural outsider.
18. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to “the person in charge,” I will be facing a person of my race.
19. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race.
20. I can easily buy posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and children’s magazines featuring people of my race.

I'll just address the title of the link you cited.

I don't contribute to or benefit from structural racism.

And I'll tell you something else: the structure is being re-tooled to be racist against white people. You can laugh and scoff at that assertion all you want, but you know it to be truth. White people are being villainized for the deeds of their ancestors while blacks are being propped up for the suffering of theirs.

That is an interesting statement...because I would agree, it does sometimes feel that way.

I'm on the fence in how I feel about those things...in part, because of some exploration and discussion with another member here on religion, and her religion (I am expressing this poorly but I'll try) feels a people is collectively responsible for the actions of their people, and have a duty to try to atone and make things right. That doesn't mean going around in sack cloth and ashes...it means you do what you can to understand and stand in some way atone and make better. Whether it's acknowledgement and apology that there was past wrong doing or something else. Whether it's for how the Americans treated the native tribes, or slavery, or Germany's reconciliation of the Holocaust. It's complicated, because I also have a situation going on now, at work, where I have to watch what I say all the time lest it be construed as somehow racist by a particularly volatile and angry individual in the workplace, and that is an uncomfortable situation. IMO, some people are LOOKING for racism...even when it's not there.

I have a summer job where we don't have to be nice to drunks so it works out, and the black guy who works is ok with young white females everyone else you can tell he just tolerates since he is a coach at the high school.

 

[Leo123]

Hmm, I just thought they were racist..And there is no shortage of them folks where I live.

WTF are you even talking about Moonie? You thought WHO "were racist?" Can you post something more substantial than that?

 

[Coyote]

That's not true. I am a white guy.

Let's say I shoot a black guy in self-defense. Who gets villainized? Me? Or the black guy for endangering my safety and my family?

Odds are in today's society, I will be called out for being racist because I shot the black man and asked questions later. The black man will be propped up on a pedestal for the supposed bad hand his life dealt him before he met the muzzle of my weapon. Odds are, I will be seen as heartless and deserving of punishment.

Depends on where you are and who you are doesn't it? You would need to provide specific examples of each. Just as an example - every time a black person is killed, there is an immediate rush to expose any sort of criminal record or misbehavior in order to justify shooting him (at USMB at any rate). It works both ways.

But that also isn't really the point. You're talking about what the media does or the public outcry is, not the justice system.

Just for example look at this. It's relevant because the process of life long interactions with the criminal justice system begins in the juvenile system.

Black Disparities in Youth Incarceration – The Sentencing Project

Black youth are more than five times as likely to be detained or committed in juvenile facilities as their white peers.

www.sentencingproject.org

Black youth were more than five times as likely to be detained or committed compared to white youth, according to data from the Department of Justice collected in October 2015 and recently released.1) Racial and ethnic disparities have long-plagued juvenile justice systems nationwide, and the new data show the problem is increasing. In 2001, black youth were four times as likely as whites to be incarcerated.

And here, another report found black men were more likely to get longer prison sentences than white men for the same crime:

Black men get longer prison sentences than white men for the same crime: Study

Black men are 19.1 percent more likely to serve longer sentences.

abcnews.go.com

This report notes:

The racial disparity in sentencing can't be accounted for by whether an offender has a history of violence, according to the study by the commission, an independent bipartisan agency that is part of the U.S. federal judiciary branch.​

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"Violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to contribute to the sentence imposed" except as it may factor into a score under sentencing guidelines, the study said.​

The court system will more than likely be more lenient on him than on me. Especially if he dies in the commission of his crime. I stand more of a chance of being charged with murder than being exonerated for defending myself.

Well according the report I posted above, the court system is likely to be more lenient on you then on a black person committing the same act. Your example isn't a good one for this because there are a lot of complicating factors - was it self defense, what are the laws in your state, etc. Any time one person shoots another, the shooter faces scrutiny.

Also, if black offenders commit the majority of crimes, they will naturally be convicted at a higher rate than white offenders.

I don't think it works that way. You are looking at percentages, not total numbers. What percentage of black people who commit a specific crime, get convicted vs what percentage of white people.

 

[Coyote]

So you feel guilty about your white privilege?

I can't feel guilty of something I don't employ or take advantage of. Where is my white privilege? Tell me, the one living a lower middle class life taking care of an elderly family member, WHERE IS MY WHITE PRIVILEGE?

Maybe it's only that, if you were black, the situation might be even worse - not that your situation is good.

Maybe there is also a tendency to use the accusation of "white privilege" as a bludgeon, instead of trying to understand each other.

 

[366h34d]

I am white. If privilege applied to me because of my skin color, I would be earning a high 5 figure income with a degree from a college of my choosing on the back of a full-ride scholarship. My privilege would have shielded me from some of the dumbest decisions I ever made in my life. I wouldn't be here dedicating almost 80% of mine and my grandmother's monthly income to bills and survival. We don't enjoy any privilege because of our skin color. Being white never made our lives any easier.

We are a lower-middle-class family who barely has enough money to make ends meet. If there was a privilege, we never knew about it. I am sure the billions of white people who existed in the world before me and throughout history who suffered from

Are our personalities set in stone, or can we work on – even improve – them?
Read more
The study, which looked at 16 different ideological orientations, could have profound implications for identifying and supporting people most vulnerable to radicalisation across the political and religious spectrum.
... would have loved to have known about the privilege their skin color supposedly imbued them with. Maybe it would have spared their lives and shielded them from unnecessary suffering. White privilege is hogwash. It reeks of jealousy and has no basis in reality.

My white privilege does not exist.

For the sake of discussion...look at the possible other side.

"White privilege" doesn't mean there aren't poor white people...but maybe in can mean the difference between the frying pan and the fire.

I'm thinking, for example, of the justice syste

Your statement: "My privilege would have shielded me from some of the dumbest decisions I ever made in my life."

Maybe, if you had been poor AND black....your "dumb" decisions would have landed you in the juvenile justice system and from their the adult justice system in a downward spiral hitting up against laws like 3 strikes.

It's pretty much proven that black youth's are much more likely to be incarcerated than white youth's for the same crimes. So, that might be a more realistic way to see what white privelege is even though for many it's not much of a privilege.

Another example might be one aspect of poverty itself.

One of the factors that has made black poverty so entrenched is through a systemic system of laws and of violence (white race riots) towards black property owners and businesses and homes and communities that destroyed wealth and the ability to pass it to their children and so on. So as a community - whites (in general) have not had to endure that. Poverty has a lot of causes of course, some in our control, some not. But I think that is one example how race was a factor.

Another one could be this. Even though you and your grandmother are poor? Do you live in a fairly safe neighborhood? Redlining, a practice of maintaining racial segregation in the housing market often relegated black families to the worse neighborhoods - neighborhoods more likely to have the town landfill and other nice amenities located nearby, areas that white people left when black people moved in. When those areas begin to reflect the changing home values, more renters than homeowners, crime increases, incomes go down, people are stuck. Maybe white privilege in poverty means the difference between being poor in a dangerous community or poor in a somewhat safer one.

Just thoughts on a different way of looking at it

I have the same idea before. However, you cannot call this is white privilege. This is a class privilege.

 

[Nova78]

yea and blacks go back to the 1600s,moron,yea idiot I grew up in the 60's in a one bedroom shot gun house moron.

And you want to brag about that, Cleetus?

you never answered the question rufus.

 

[kaz]

You blast your shitty attitude on the site all the time. It's pretty funny you think that somehow people wouldn't see it

Actually, most of them agree with me.

Words never heard in a working class bar "My Boss is a Genius".

Well of course the leftists on the site agree with you. I never said otherwise. I just laughed that you believe they don't see that you have a shitty attitude

 

[Coyote]

I am white. If privilege applied to me because of my skin color, I would be earning a high 5 figure income with a degree from a college of my choosing on the back of a full-ride scholarship. My privilege would have shielded me from some of the dumbest decisions I ever made in my life. I wouldn't be here dedicating almost 80% of mine and my grandmother's monthly income to bills and survival. We don't enjoy any privilege because of our skin color. Being white never made our lives any easier.

We are a lower-middle-class family who barely has enough money to make ends meet. If there was a privilege, we never knew about it. I am sure the billions of white people who existed in the world before me and throughout history who suffered from

Are our personalities set in stone, or can we work on – even improve – them?
Read more
The study, which looked at 16 different ideological orientations, could have profound implications for identifying and supporting people most vulnerable to radicalisation across the political and religious spectrum.
... would have loved to have known about the privilege their skin color supposedly imbued them with. Maybe it would have spared their lives and shielded them from unnecessary suffering. White privilege is hogwash. It reeks of jealousy and has no basis in reality.

My white privilege does not exist.

For the sake of discussion...look at the possible other side.

"White privilege" doesn't mean there aren't poor white people...but maybe in can mean the difference between the frying pan and the fire.

I'm thinking, for example, of the justice syste

Your statement: "My privilege would have shielded me from some of the dumbest decisions I ever made in my life."

Maybe, if you had been poor AND black....your "dumb" decisions would have landed you in the juvenile justice system and from their the adult justice system in a downward spiral hitting up against laws like 3 strikes.

It's pretty much proven that black youth's are much more likely to be incarcerated than white youth's for the same crimes. So, that might be a more realistic way to see what white privelege is even though for many it's not much of a privilege.

Another example might be one aspect of poverty itself.

One of the factors that has made black poverty so entrenched is through a systemic system of laws and of violence (white race riots) towards black property owners and businesses and homes and communities that destroyed wealth and the ability to pass it to their children and so on. So as a community - whites (in general) have not had to endure that. Poverty has a lot of causes of course, some in our control, some not. But I think that is one example how race was a factor.

Another one could be this. Even though you and your grandmother are poor? Do you live in a fairly safe neighborhood? Redlining, a practice of maintaining racial segregation in the housing market often relegated black families to the worse neighborhoods - neighborhoods more likely to have the town landfill and other nice amenities located nearby, areas that white people left when black people moved in. When those areas begin to reflect the changing home values, more renters than homeowners, crime increases, incomes go down, people are stuck. Maybe white privilege in poverty means the difference between being poor in a dangerous community or poor in a somewhat safer one.

Just thoughts on a different way of looking at it

I have the same idea before. However, you cannot call this is white privilege. This is a class privilege.

Or maybe a bit of both.

Here's another example. Would a white male professor have had the same sort encounter?

i-fit-the-description

 

[Seawytch]

Because I'm a liberal helper

How to Explain White Privilege in Terms Simple Enough for a Child

The term white privilege is often misunderstood. But experts explain why it's important to teach your children what it means and how to do that based on their age.

www.parents.com

It Doesn't Mean That All White People Have Had an Easy Life​

​

The common misperception about white privilege is that it implies that being white inherently makes for a life of smooth sailing and that successes aren't hard-earned. People might associate the phrase with financial wealth or other types of privilege that they don't/didn't have, explains Dr. Garrett-Akinsanya.​

​

"Some white people deny that advantages are unearned," notes Erin Pahlke, Ph.D., an associate professor of psychology at Whitman College, whose research centers on how children form their views about race. "Often, these people see their own successes as entirely a result of their own hard work and others' struggles as a result of not working hard enough. And some folks mistakenly believe that they can't be privileged because they themselves have suffered personal life hardships."​

​

Denial of white privilege might also stem from another belief: that the U.S. operates as a meritocracy, or a system in which you're rewarded exclusively for ability and effort, as opposed to wealth and social class. "There's some research that suggests that white parents are more likely than Black parents to teach their children that the U.S. is a meritocracy," explains Dr. Pahlke. "And, for people who strongly believe that the U.S. is a meritocracy, white privilege can be a hard concept to accept."​

​

The misinterpretation of the term is fairly widespread. According to 2017 findings from the Pew Research Center, 46 percent of white Americans say they believe they benefit because of their race, compared to 92 percent of Black Americans and 65 percent of Hispanic Americans who believe that white people benefit.​

​

"Because the advantages are so structurally ingrained, privileges are often unconscious and perceived as being unremarkable," explains Dr. Garrett-Akinsanya. "White privilege has a legacy of racism and is a cause of it, too."​

That's not what far leftists mean when they hit you with that term. It is a term made to foist guilt on someone for being white. The very phrase "white privilege" is demeaning and derogatory. It is tantamount to calling a black person a ni**er. And yes, I would have every bit the same right to be offended by the usage of such a term to define people of my racial background.

It is meant to minimize any and all suffering and hardship endured by someone of the Caucasian race.

I'm not falling for that garbage doublespeak you just cited.

Thanks in advance.

So you feel guilty about your white privilege? And, no, it is nothing like using a racial epithet. Again, because I am a liberal helper...

Understanding white privilege: 20 everyday examples

A lesson in how white people benefit from and contribute to structural racism

www.harpersbazaar.com

1. I can if I wish arrange to be in the company of people of my race most of the time.
2. If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area which I can afford and in which I would want to live.
3. I can be pretty sure that my neighbours in such a location will be neutral or pleasant to me.
4. I can go shopping alone most of the time, pretty well assured that I will not be followed or harassed.
5. I can turn on the television or open to the front page of the paper and see people of my race widely represented.
6. When I am told about our national heritage or about “civilisation,” I am shown that people of my colour made it what it is.
7. I can be sure that my children will be given curricular materials that testify to the existence of their race.
8. If I want to, I can be pretty sure of finding a publisher for this piece on white privilege.
9. I can go into a music shop and count on finding the music of my race represented, into a supermarket and find the staple foods that fit with my cultural traditions, into a hairdresser’s shop and find someone who can cut my hair.
10. Whether I use checks, credit cards or cash, I can count on my skin colour not to work against the appearance of financial reliability.
11. I can arrange to protect my children most of the time from people who might not like them.
12. I can swear, or dress in second-hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of my race.
13. I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
14. I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a credit to my race.
15. I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
16. I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of colour who constitute the world’s majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
17. I can criticise our government and talk about how much I fear its policies and behaviour without being seen as a cultural outsider.
18. I can be pretty sure that if I ask to talk to “the person in charge,” I will be facing a person of my race.
19. If a traffic cop pulls me over or if the IRS audits my tax return, I can be sure I haven’t been singled out because of my race.
20. I can easily buy posters, postcards, picture books, greeting cards, dolls, toys, and children’s magazines featuring people of my race.

I'll just address the title of the link you cited.

I don't contribute to or benefit from structural racism.

And I'll tell you something else: the structure is being re-tooled to be racist against white people. You can laugh and scoff at that assertion all you want, but you know it to be truth. White people are being villainized for the deeds of their ancestors while blacks are being propped up for the suffering of theirs.

Funny, I'm as white as they come. Vampires tell me to get some sun...but I've yet to feel "villanized" for the deeds of my ancestors.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's not true. I am a white guy.

Let's say I shoot a black guy in self-defense. Who gets villainized? Me? Or the black guy for endangering my safety and my family?

Odds are in today's society, I will be called out for being racist because I shot the black man and asked questions later. The black man will be propped up on a pedestal for the supposed bad hand his life dealt him before he met the muzzle of my weapon. Odds are, I will be seen as heartless and deserving of punishment.

Depends on where you are and who you are doesn't it? You would need to provide specific examples of each. Just as an example - every time a black person is killed, there is an immediate rush to expose any sort of criminal record or misbehavior in order to justify shooting him (at USMB at any rate). It works both ways.

But that also isn't really the point. You're talking about what the media does or the public outcry is, not the justice system.

Just for example look at this. It's relevant because the process of life long interactions with the criminal justice system begins in the juvenile system.

Black Disparities in Youth Incarceration – The Sentencing Project

Black youth are more than five times as likely to be detained or committed in juvenile facilities as their white peers.

www.sentencingproject.org

Black youth were more than five times as likely to be detained or committed compared to white youth, according to data from the Department of Justice collected in October 2015 and recently released.1) Racial and ethnic disparities have long-plagued juvenile justice systems nationwide, and the new data show the problem is increasing. In 2001, black youth were four times as likely as whites to be incarcerated.

And here, another report found black men were more likely to get longer prison sentences than white men for the same crime:

Black men get longer prison sentences than white men for the same crime: Study

Black men are 19.1 percent more likely to serve longer sentences.

abcnews.go.com

This report notes:

The racial disparity in sentencing can't be accounted for by whether an offender has a history of violence, according to the study by the commission, an independent bipartisan agency that is part of the U.S. federal judiciary branch.​

​

"Violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to contribute to the sentence imposed" except as it may factor into a score under sentencing guidelines, the study said.​

The court system will more than likely be more lenient on him than on me. Especially if he dies in the commission of his crime. I stand more of a chance of being charged with murder than being exonerated for defending myself.

Well according the report I posted above, the court system is likely to be more lenient on you then on a black person committing the same act. Your example isn't a good one for this because there are a lot of complicating factors - was it self defense, what are the laws in your state, etc. Any time one person shoots another, the shooter faces scrutiny.

Also, if black offenders commit the majority of crimes, they will naturally be convicted at a higher rate than white offenders.

I don't think it works that way. You are looking at percentages, not total numbers. What percentage of black people who commit a specific crime, get convicted vs what percentage of white people.

Your site is like all the other ones claiming disparities. They only tell you the results and not anything between the time of arrest to the time of court. Your link doesn't even have categories of crimes. It just says that blacks are more likely to be committed.

If a black kid hits an old lady knocking her to the ground and steals her purse, yes, he will stand a much better chance at getting juvie jail time than a white kid who got busted with some pot or shoplifted a DVD player.

Police records play the largest factor in a judges decision, and none of these kind of reports ever tell you about that. A judge will give a first time offender much more leniency with a crime than they will somebody that the courts see all the time.

 

[366h34d]

I am white. If privilege applied to me because of my skin color, I would be earning a high 5 figure income with a degree from a college of my choosing on the back of a full-ride scholarship. My privilege would have shielded me from some of the dumbest decisions I ever made in my life. I wouldn't be here dedicating almost 80% of mine and my grandmother's monthly income to bills and survival. We don't enjoy any privilege because of our skin color. Being white never made our lives any easier.

We are a lower-middle-class family who barely has enough money to make ends meet. If there was a privilege, we never knew about it. I am sure the billions of white people who existed in the world before me and throughout history who suffered from

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... would have loved to have known about the privilege their skin color supposedly imbued them with. Maybe it would have spared their lives and shielded them from unnecessary suffering. White privilege is hogwash. It reeks of jealousy and has no basis in reality.

My white privilege does not exist.

For the sake of discussion...look at the possible other side.

"White privilege" doesn't mean there aren't poor white people...but maybe in can mean the difference between the frying pan and the fire.

I'm thinking, for example, of the justice syste

Your statement: "My privilege would have shielded me from some of the dumbest decisions I ever made in my life."

Maybe, if you had been poor AND black....your "dumb" decisions would have landed you in the juvenile justice system and from their the adult justice system in a downward spiral hitting up against laws like 3 strikes.

It's pretty much proven that black youth's are much more likely to be incarcerated than white youth's for the same crimes. So, that might be a more realistic way to see what white privelege is even though for many it's not much of a privilege.

Another example might be one aspect of poverty itself.

One of the factors that has made black poverty so entrenched is through a systemic system of laws and of violence (white race riots) towards black property owners and businesses and homes and communities that destroyed wealth and the ability to pass it to their children and so on. So as a community - whites (in general) have not had to endure that. Poverty has a lot of causes of course, some in our control, some not. But I think that is one example how race was a factor.

Another one could be this. Even though you and your grandmother are poor? Do you live in a fairly safe neighborhood? Redlining, a practice of maintaining racial segregation in the housing market often relegated black families to the worse neighborhoods - neighborhoods more likely to have the town landfill and other nice amenities located nearby, areas that white people left when black people moved in. When those areas begin to reflect the changing home values, more renters than homeowners, crime increases, incomes go down, people are stuck. Maybe white privilege in poverty means the difference between being poor in a dangerous community or poor in a somewhat safer one.

Just thoughts on a different way of looking at it

I have the same idea before. However, you cannot call this is white privilege. This is a class privilege.

Or maybe a bit of both.

Here's another example. Would a white male professor have had the same sort encounter?

i-fit-the-description

Give me a fxxking break, maybe some cops are racists and mean toward the colours, but how can a white male professor fit that description???? O.K, did you watch that baseball GM misidentified video? I did not see him had any white privilege until the cops knew who he was.
Do you see the problem here??? everything is a colour issue, like that dumb basketball GM ""I lost a moment. People have lost their lives." BS

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't think SC was really saying they didn't. But I agree. One can't simply dismiss that there are privileges that come with being white. But they aren't the result of govt giving preference on race. jmo Have a nice weekend. At least its not freezing.

That's what global warming will getcha.

I keep hearing about these white privileges, but I have yet to see anybody list them.

Whites and blacks go to public schools funded by taxpayers.
Whites and blacks can graduate school with good grades.
Whites and blacks can apply for and get jobs, in fact blacks have advantages there too.
Whites and blacks have the same ability to be law abiding and stay out of trouble with police.
Whites and blacks have the same ability to not use recreational narcotics where they can get hooked and even lead to legal problems.
Whites and blacks have the ability to not procreate until they are financially settled in life, or opt to have no children at all.
Whites and blacks can get an advanced education in college or trade school.
Whites and blacks can make personal investments to secure their financial future.

So if there's white privilege out there, I have no idea what it is.

 

[dblack]

So if there's white privilege out there, I have no idea what it is.

A few years back I went to lunch with a coworker. He drove. We were pulled over, supposedly because he failed to signal before a lane change. He also happened to be a large brown male. The cop was totally running him on everything he could think of. Even claimed there had been as series of thefts in the area and ask if my friend "knew anything about it"?? It was obvious harassment, and I was furious. My friend pleaded with me not to say anything. "If you get mad, they win," was what he said. So I sat there and waited. For thirty minutes, while my co-worker (a brilliant and successful software developer) was treated like a common criminal.

So, if you don't think white privilege is real - you're either very, very sheltered and living in a bubble, a complete fucking idiot, or a liar. Which is it?

 

[Coyote]

That's not true. I am a white guy.

Let's say I shoot a black guy in self-defense. Who gets villainized? Me? Or the black guy for endangering my safety and my family?

Odds are in today's society, I will be called out for being racist because I shot the black man and asked questions later. The black man will be propped up on a pedestal for the supposed bad hand his life dealt him before he met the muzzle of my weapon. Odds are, I will be seen as heartless and deserving of punishment.

Depends on where you are and who you are doesn't it? You would need to provide specific examples of each. Just as an example - every time a black person is killed, there is an immediate rush to expose any sort of criminal record or misbehavior in order to justify shooting him (at USMB at any rate). It works both ways.

But that also isn't really the point. You're talking about what the media does or the public outcry is, not the justice system.

Just for example look at this. It's relevant because the process of life long interactions with the criminal justice system begins in the juvenile system.

Black Disparities in Youth Incarceration – The Sentencing Project

Black youth are more than five times as likely to be detained or committed in juvenile facilities as their white peers.

www.sentencingproject.org

Black youth were more than five times as likely to be detained or committed compared to white youth, according to data from the Department of Justice collected in October 2015 and recently released.1) Racial and ethnic disparities have long-plagued juvenile justice systems nationwide, and the new data show the problem is increasing. In 2001, black youth were four times as likely as whites to be incarcerated.

And here, another report found black men were more likely to get longer prison sentences than white men for the same crime:

Black men get longer prison sentences than white men for the same crime: Study

Black men are 19.1 percent more likely to serve longer sentences.

abcnews.go.com

This report notes:

The racial disparity in sentencing can't be accounted for by whether an offender has a history of violence, according to the study by the commission, an independent bipartisan agency that is part of the U.S. federal judiciary branch.​

​

"Violence in an offender’s criminal history does not appear to contribute to the sentence imposed" except as it may factor into a score under sentencing guidelines, the study said.​

The court system will more than likely be more lenient on him than on me. Especially if he dies in the commission of his crime. I stand more of a chance of being charged with murder than being exonerated for defending myself.

Well according the report I posted above, the court system is likely to be more lenient on you then on a black person committing the same act. Your example isn't a good one for this because there are a lot of complicating factors - was it self defense, what are the laws in your state, etc. Any time one person shoots another, the shooter faces scrutiny.

Also, if black offenders commit the majority of crimes, they will naturally be convicted at a higher rate than white offenders.

I don't think it works that way. You are looking at percentages, not total numbers. What percentage of black people who commit a specific crime, get convicted vs what percentage of white people.

Your site is like all the other ones claiming disparities. They only tell you the results and not anything between the time of arrest to the time of court. Your link doesn't even have categories of crimes. It just says that blacks are more likely to be committed.

If a black kid hits an old lady knocking her to the ground and steals her purse, yes, he will stand a much better chance at getting juvie jail time than a white kid who got busted with some pot or shoplifted a DVD player.

Police records play the largest factor in a judges decision, and none of these kind of reports ever tell you about that. A judge will give a first time offender much more leniency with a crime than they will somebody that the courts see all the time.

One of my link links to a good many different sources, but right in this, what I bolded, tells me you missed the point. One of my links stated sentencing for the same type of crimes. Of course the example you provided would be handled differently since it involved assault as opposed to shoplifting. But let's say both were shoplifting only?

 

[Man of Ethics]

Yes it can both. White offenders, committing the same crime are less likely to receive jail time.

Agree 100%. I have studied the topic.

Being African American adds on average 20% to prison term for the same crime.

 

[boedicca]

Yes it can both. White offenders, committing the same crime are less likely to receive jail time.

Agree 100%. I have studied the topic.

Being African American adds on average 20% to prison term for the same crime.

Link to verified sources?

 

[Man of Ethics]

Yes it can both. White offenders, committing the same crime are less likely to receive jail time.

Agree 100%. I have studied the topic.

Being African American adds on average 20% to prison term for the same crime.

Link to verified sources?

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2413&context=articles