My Thoughts On Red Flag Laws

[Independent thinker]

They're stupid. Just more of the very same nonsense we are already doing now. Know someone who is a danger to themselves or others and owns guns? Petition the courts to take that person's guns away - while leaving someone who is a danger to others or themselves free to roam around. What is the logic of that? If you can prove they are a danger to others or to themselves enough to take their guns away then you can prove they shouldn't be running around loose in the first place.

Meanwhile, it takes time to go through the court process and even more time to actually confiscate their guns. And, my understanding is that this is for a set amount of time only and then the guns are automatically returned unless you can reprove the person is still a danger to others or to themselves, creating yet another crack things can slip through if the red flag law isn't re-upped.

And, in most cases, someone who is a danger to others or to themselves, generally speaking, never gets cured and will either be a permanent danger to others or to themselves or will always be in danger of having a relapse at any time. Not only will they be able to find guns if they really want to but they don't need guns to commit violent acts. When are we going to wise up and not let these people run around loose in the first place?

 

[Polishprince]

Red Flag laws are also redundant.

We already have laws on the books to involuntarily commit someone to an insane asylum if they are truly nutting out. And the individual being committed has the right to a hearing to show his sanity within a short period of time.

People are indeed disarmed during the admission process to the loony bin.

I think the whole special "red flag laws" are just a way of libs stirring the pot and making it harder for ordinary, Legally Sane citizens from exercising their rights.

 

[SavannahMann]

In the 1970’s there was a wide array of Psychiatric Hospitals. These were Federally Funded to the States and managed and operated by the States. They were not great. They were in most cases not even very good. But we were trying.

In the 1980’s these were shut down. Reagan wanted to stop wasting Money. Since these were operated and overseen by the States they could be funded by the States. They would never be funded anywhere near where they needed to be.

In the meantime States began eliminating the Not Guilty by reason of Insanity pleas. Crazy people were sent to Prison where treatment was nonexistent.

People came out of Prison crazier than they went in.

Psychiatric treatment became more privatized. There were still some State institutions. But mostly treatment became out patient and therapy based.

Today. There are literally hundreds of thousands who are on our streets. We could not rebuild the facilities we once had. It would take decades. And it would fail long before that.

Bed Shortages - Treatment Advocacy Center

www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org

The cops know this of course. So they know that if they pick up a nut that he will be turned out in a few days. So they don’t bother unless they must.

The other side of that particular coin is when a family sees dangerous behavior from a family member they are less likely to call the police because the cops won’t help. Worst case they kill the family member.

It is expensive. And it just isn’t worth the trouble.

So we have nuts running around. We can’t get them off the street. We don’t have anywhere to send them. We can’t arrest them for the crimes they might commit. That is unconstitutional. We can’t do anything but live with ticking time bombs in our midst waiting for the day when they finally snap and give into the insanity.

We couldn’t afford to fund the Psychiatric Hospitals. Now we are paying for that choice. Save a buck today. Spend a lot more tomorrow.

 

[Ralph Norton]

They're stupid. Just more of the very same nonsense we are already doing now. Know someone who is a danger to themselves or others and owns guns? Petition the courts to take that person's guns away - while leaving someone who is a danger to others or themselves free to roam around. What is the logic of that? If you can prove they are a danger to others or to themselves enough to take their guns away then you can prove they shouldn't be running around loose in the first place.

Meanwhile, it takes time to go through the court process and even more time to actually confiscate their guns. And, my understanding is that this is for a set amount of time only and then the guns are automatically returned unless you can reprove the person is still a danger to others or to themselves, creating yet another crack things can slip through if the red flag law isn't re-upped.

And, in most cases, someone who is a danger to others or to themselves, generally speaking, never gets cured and will either be a permanent danger to others or to themselves or will always be in danger of having a relapse at any time. Not only will they be able to find guns if they really want to but they don't need guns to commit violent acts. When are we going to wise up and not let these people run around loose in the first place?

"If you can prove they are a danger to others or to themselves enough to take their guns away then you can prove they shouldn't be running around loose in the first place."

If they haven't committed a crime, what do you intend to do with them?
Involuntary commitment? That is usually very short term if you can get a judge to sign off on it at all.

 

[Flash]

Red Flag laws are a back door method of depriving Americans of their Constitutional rights without due process.

It use to be that crazy people were sent to mental institutions. The Liberals did away with those institutions and now are using red flag laws as a band aid to deal with mental illenss.

 

[22lcidw]

In the 1970’s there was a wide array of Psychiatric Hospitals. These were Federally Funded to the States and managed and operated by the States. They were not great. They were in most cases not even very good. But we were trying.

In the 1980’s these were shut down. Reagan wanted to stop wasting Money. Since these were operated and overseen by the States they could be funded by the States. They would never be funded anywhere near where they needed to be.

In the meantime States began eliminating the Not Guilty by reason of Insanity pleas. Crazy people were sent to Prison where treatment was nonexistent.

People came out of Prison crazier than they went in.

Psychiatric treatment became more privatized. There were still some State institutions. But mostly treatment became out patient and therapy based.

Today. There are literally hundreds of thousands who are on our streets. We could not rebuild the facilities we once had. It would take decades. And it would fail long before that.

Bed Shortages - Treatment Advocacy Center

www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org

The cops know this of course. So they know that if they pick up a nut that he will be turned out in a few days. So they don’t bother unless they must.

The other side of that particular coin is when a family sees dangerous behavior from a family member they are less likely to call the police because the cops won’t help. Worst case they kill the family member.

It is expensive. And it just isn’t worth the trouble.

So we have nuts running around. We can’t get them off the street. We don’t have anywhere to send them. We can’t arrest them for the crimes they might commit. That is unconstitutional. We can’t do anything but live with ticking time bombs in our midst waiting for the day when they finally snap and give into the insanity.

We couldn’t afford to fund the Psychiatric Hospitals. Now we are paying for that choice. Save a buck today. Spend a lot more tomorrow.

It was JFK who started the ball rolling on closing down Psyche Hospitals. Also, Progs had plenty of opportunities to reopen them.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

They're stupid. Just more of the very same nonsense we are already doing now. Know someone who is a danger to themselves or others and owns guns? Petition the courts to take that person's guns away - while leaving someone who is a danger to others or themselves free to roam around. What is the logic of that? If you can prove they are a danger to others or to themselves enough to take their guns away then you can prove they shouldn't be running around loose in the first place.

Meanwhile, it takes time to go through the court process and even more time to actually confiscate their guns. And, my understanding is that this is for a set amount of time only and then the guns are automatically returned unless you can reprove the person is still a danger to others or to themselves, creating yet another crack things can slip through if the red flag law isn't re-upped.

And, in most cases, someone who is a danger to others or to themselves, generally speaking, never gets cured and will either be a permanent danger to others or to themselves or will always be in danger of having a relapse at any time. Not only will they be able to find guns if they really want to but they don't need guns to commit violent acts. When are we going to wise up and not let these people run around loose in the first place?

Would cutting your face up and going to skewl be a Red Flag?

 

[martybegan]

Red Flag laws are a back door method of depriving Americans of their Constitutional rights without due process.

It use to be that crazy people were sent to mental institutions. The Liberals did away with those institutions and now are using red flag laws as a band aid to deal with mental illenss.

The thing is they would be useful tools if it weren't for the fact Blue State Dems will bastardize them to disarm pretty much anyone they want to.

Any laws need to have 1) a quick turn around time on deciding if they are valid or not 2) compensation for those wrongly accused 3) severe criminal penalties for anyone knowingly using the laws for anything but their intended purposes.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Red Flag laws are a back door method of depriving Americans of their Constitutional rights without due process.

It use to be that crazy people were sent to mental institutions. The Liberals did away with those institutions and now are using red flag laws as a band aid to deal with mental illenss.

A male using eyeliner is a big Red Flag for sure. I would lock them up in a deprogramming school

 

[LordBrownTrout]

We don't have a gun problem. We have a depraved culture problem. Look no further, just one aspect of a moral rot depraved society thats destroying us................

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[Hang on Sloopy]

"If you can prove they are a danger to others or to themselves enough to take their guns away then you can prove they shouldn't be running around loose in the first place."

If they haven't committed a crime, what do you intend to do with them?
Involuntary commitment? That is usually very short term if you can get a judge to sign off on it at all.

These defective cogs need to be reprogrammed from public indoctrination skewls. The garbage they were fed

GD libturds

 

[Independent thinker]

We can’t arrest them for the crimes they might commit. That is unconstitutional.

My point has always been that in most of these cases they HAVE committed crimes that we can keep them locked up for because they are a danger to society and it's stupid to let these people right back out. As I said in this thread, if you have enough evidence to provide that this person is a danger to others or to themselves to take their guns away, then you already have enough evidence to take them off the streets. Most of what you said was dead on accurate.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

We don't have a gun problem. We have a depraved culture problem.

We have a libturd problem

These self loathing haters fuck up everything

 

[Polishprince]

In the 1970’s there was a wide array of Psychiatric Hospitals. These were Federally Funded to the States and managed and operated by the States. They were not great. They were in most cases not even very good. But we were trying.

In the 1980’s these were shut down. Reagan wanted to stop wasting Money. Since these were operated and overseen by the States they could be funded by the States. They would never be funded anywhere near where they needed to be.

The reason why there are fewer mental hospitals nowadays than there were in the past was the invention of new psychotropic drugs like Haldol. Made it easier just to simmer down the nut cases and send them home instead of putting them in rubber rooms in a straight jacket 24/7.

But there are still psych hospitals out there you should know. Just not nearly as many long term patients.

 

[Flash]

The thing is they would be useful tools if it weren't for the fact Blue State Dems will bastardize them to disarm pretty much anyone they want to.

Any laws need to have 1) a quick turn around time on deciding if they are valid or not 2) compensation for those wrongly accused 3) severe criminal penalties for anyone knowingly using the laws for anything but their intended purposes.

You hit on the basic problem.

We can't trust Liberals to be rational on anything because they have an agenda to deprive Americans of their Constitutional rights. The Bill of Rights stands in the way of turning the US into a Socialist shithole.

 

[Independent thinker]

"If you can prove they are a danger to others or to themselves enough to take their guns away then you can prove they shouldn't be running around loose in the first place."

If they haven't committed a crime, what do you intend to do with them?
Involuntary commitment? That is usually very short term if you can get a judge to sign off on it at all.

I stand by what I said. If you have enough evidence that this person is a danger to others or to themselves to take their guns away then you have enough evidence to take this person off the streets. Otherwise, you DON'T have enough evidence to take their guns away.

 

[22lcidw]

We don't have a gun problem. We have a depraved culture problem. Look no further, just one aspect of depravity thats destroying us................

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The Progs would have to backtrack on the excesses of their social justice agendas. That arrow on many of their campaign symbols tells us they have a hard time doing it.

 

[Independent thinker]

You hit on the basic problem.

We can't trust Liberals to be rational on anything because they have an agenda to deprive Americans of their Constitutional rights. The Bill of Rights stands in the way of turning the US into a Socialist shithole.

Exactly. They have already taken rights away during the pandemic, fired people from their jobs for not being vaccinated, and recently tried to head up a truth information department where their leader would have been a far left hack making sure only their truths were allowed. Not much of a step at all to just label anyone they want as being a threat to society. Jan 6th was filled with mostly peaceful protesters but the left want to take their rights away just for being there.

 

[martybegan]

You hit on the basic problem.

We can't trust Liberals to be rational on anything because they have an agenda to deprive Americans of their Constitutional rights. The Bill of Rights stands in the way of turning the US into a Socialist shithole.

Exactly. You just need to look at NYC's handgun permit system to see what they want to turn gun regulations into. $500 or so and 3-6 months wait to just keep a revolver in your house or apartment.

 

[Independent thinker]

Exactly. You just need to look at NYC's handgun permit system to see what they want to turn gun regulations into. $500 or so and 3-6 months wait to just keep a revolver in your house or apartment.

Seems to me that is social injustice, discriminating against those who are poorer, which would effect blacks to a higher percentage than whites. Why do the left want to discriminate against blacks?