My Reasons for voting Trump

[LoneLaugher]

I ask myself, why doesn't this bother Democrats?

And all the while I ask myself, why doesn't it bother everyone? Has all the good will seeped out of the human heart?

Elaborate on what "it" is, for the sake of clarity.

The consistent betrayal that goes on between both parties and their constituents. The very fact that we are considering people like Trump or Hillary,

The very idea that the lack of cooperation between those two parties and their constituents has driven us that far.

The division between Americans for the sake of politics

The derisiveness and hatred.

The lack of civility and unity.

The idea that these ideologies are so pervasive that it has torn friendships and families apart and torn a nation asunder.

The idea that there will never be a common interest between the two parties. And thus never a common interest among the people.

And none of this bothers either party. They tread on with their fighting with nary a thought of the damage it does to America.

You talk a good game. Were you looking to heal the divisiveness in America when you started these threads?

A socialist hell on earth
In the name of Islam
Political Correctness Kills
A Comicbook Perspective of the Muslim Immigration Issue

No. And I'm regretting participating in such divisive things. I'm not immune to it either. It would be arrogant of me to say that I was, I'm essentially getting fed up with all of it.

If that is the case....you ought to be on your knees thanking Doc.....who has treated you with far too much respect since you got here.

I will say this, though.....you have almost learned some things since coming here. You've almost learned that you aren't the "big dog" whose words are the giver of life to others and that women are not delicate flowers who see you as their knight in shining armour. If you were an honest young man....you'd thank me and a few others for that.

 

[LoneLaugher]

I'm trying to point out that the "divisiveness" that you're clutching your pearls about isn't a symptom of a failed and corrupt political system, it's just a symptom of people thinking differently.

That's an awesome way to put it.

It's more than that. It's the truth. If you think about it....you'll see where to look when aiming your vitriol.

 

[L.K.Eder]

OP gets tired of hearing Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio repeat their talking points "When I'm president, I'll..."

votes for trump.

 

[LoneLaugher]

OP gets tired of hearing Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio repeat their talking points "When I'm president, I'll..."

votes for trump.

Nice catch. The problem with TK is that he's so damn verbose.....it's hard to take him to task on everything he writes. There is always too much.

 

[L.K.Eder]

OP gets tired of hearing Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio repeat their talking points "When I'm president, I'll..."

votes for trump.

Nice catch. The problem with TK is that he's so damn verbose.....it's hard to take him to task on everything he writes. There is always too much.

he is nearing the end of his intellectual and political journey, and is busy writing his memoirs.

 

[imawhosure]

I don't consider myself conservative or liberal, but I'm voting for Trump because he's the alpha-male antithesis of the soft, crybaby, PC-crazed, anti-free-speech crybullying that has flourished under the most race-baiting, crybaby, beta-male president in history. I'm also sick and tired of the Democrats' treasonous fellatio of Islam every time it kills their fellow westerners; it's seriously ghoulish and reeks of western self-hatred. I also want other countries to fear us, because I'm sick and tired of America being an apologetic doormat for the rest of the world's backstabbing parasites who curse our very existence while using us for every advantage they can.

Let me spell it out for you. You are a conservative. You are not a liberal. Only a conservative, and a dodgy one at that, would even consider Trump.

A Scotsman fallacy.

Answering post 1------>

Voting for whomever GOP candidate is (Trump, anyone) because we have no choice. Issues polls show we want to change course, and Hillary is running on 3rd term of Obama.

A socialist that tries to make it more palatable by putting Democratic in front of it is not worth the time of day.

I voted for Clinton, but back then, Presidents couldn't go off the reservation to far as they actually had to deal with congress. Together, both party's made the US the envy of the world through Reagan and Clinton; Bush 1 was a failure.

Without congress as a brake, these are perilous times, and that falls squarely on the shoulders of the GOP. While I do not agree with most of the policies, I think Harry Reid has done an excellent job for his party as far as politically, pushing forth their agenda, while blocking virtually anything that had negative consequences for it. He was so successful that I despise the man politically, so I suppose that makes him good at his job.

If the republican congress had shown they would use the power the constitution gave them as Harry Reid did, and it was Joe Biden running instead of Hillary, I would be contemplating voting for Joe, depending upon who the GOP candidate was. Sadly, the GOP congress does not work like Harry did, and Joe isn't running, yet!

In closing, let me say----------> maybe what the Democrats and GOP do not understand is, that the power of Trump does not come from the GOP, it comes from people who are so pissed with the GOP they want to bail, or already have. In essence, Trump is a 3rd party candidate, running in the GOP primary. If you take away his "presumed stance" on abortion, he is basically a JFK Democrat. Back in those days, Democrats were totally against illegal entry into this country, as were the Republicans.

Besides the fact he is an outsider being one issue, like it or not, the illegal immigration issue brings him a very large part of his support. If he were to flip-flop on that tomorrow, his support would go up in smoke. Has anyone here ever been to one of his rallies? Well, let me tell you......he is drawing blue collar workers like crazy from both sides of the aisle for just his stance on the border. If you ever go to one, when outside, just ask people. You will find a lot of blue collar Democrats there, and I mean a lot!

So Trump it is if he is the GOP nominee. If congress can't control him, it is not our fault, it is theirs. Just as they appear to have been unable to exert any control over Obama, which brings us full circle back to.............why we don't trust GOP establishment candidates to do anything they say-)

 

[candycorn]

Trump is the only non-politician in this race and the only one who will even make an attempt to do what he says he will do. None of the others can be trusted to keep their word.

I have not heard Trump tell a fib yet, refreshing.

I think the Bible being his favorite book is a stretch. Some of his comments I believe stretch the truth now that I think about it, but I do believe his core policies are those he will concentrate on. He is more honest than Cruz or Rubio in my estimation.

A long time ago there used to be a Gideon's Bible in every cheap motel room and I am sure that Trump has been down in the trenches in a cheap motel room at least once with nothing to read but the Bible.

He's not self-funding.
There were not thousands of muslims dancing in the streets of Jersey
He was for the Iraq war now he is against it.

Just three of dozens.

 

[candycorn]

What are your reasons for voting for Trump?

Doc, you asked me this in another thread, and I thought about replying to this in the thread we were in. But I thought I could just as easily express it in a thread of my own. I had to mull on this for a while. So, I thought it was time to explain my reasoning to the entire board. The other thing I didn't want to do was offer the token "oh he says it like it is!" response. No... it's not that simple.

Aside from his attitude and his mouth, he's a moderate who isn't afraid to change his mind and take flak for it. I do it all the time on this board. It may sound surprising to you, but in some ways I can relate to him.

He's immoral, though. I don't agree with him much and I am quite well aware of his past positions. Everything he does conflicts with my established morals. But, I'm just one of those folks who believe the Republican party has made many promises and just as easily broke them. And I'm at the point where I don't care anymore. None of the candidates (Trump, too) really inspire me. And as a saying of mine, "there is nothing more dangerous than a voter who doesn't care."

Now, let me tell you a tale of how I left the Republican Party and metamorphosed from a Neo-Conservative to pretty much the moderate/libertarian you see me as today. This ties in to the reason why I'm voting for Trump.

When I came of voting age, I was stoked. I was inspired by everything Glenn Beck said on Fox News. I listened to Rush Limbaugh and almost worshiped Sean Hannity. I was finally able to vote and perform my civic duty. I couldn't stop talking about it. So, I gleefully voted for McCain and Romney my very first two presidential elections. As I paid more attention to the political landscape, I was disenchanted. Each year following the 2008 election, I watched my former party consistently fail to enforce the will of the people who voted for them, including mine. Each time they betrayed us, I got angrier. The year 2010 came and Republicans swept the House of Representatives, and I voted straight ticket Republican. I joined the Tea Party then, too; "this is it" I thought, "the establishment finally got the message!"

To me, I thought there was no way Democrats would have their way when we swept them into the House that year. I found out just how naive I had been. Both for thinking the Republicans would finally heed the will of the voters, and for thinking we had finally stopped the Democrats dead in their tracks. For two years after, I watched more of the same, Republicans caving under pressure from the Democrats, wasting precious time voting on bills they knew would never pass. In 2012 I had just experienced one the most hellish years of my life having to resign from my job and admitting myself to a mental facility after experiencing a severe nervous breakdown. When I came home from the hospital, I had plenty of time to think as I was bed-ridden for three months, so I literally had plenty of time to think to myself, mind you.

I figured that many of my views on life were the cause of my mental issues, so I committed myself to changing them, little by little, starting with my political beliefs. So that year I voted for Romney, but when he failed to win, I left, Tea Party and all. I remember the sense of relief I got when I reconciled myself with leaving. It was distressing feeling obligated to defend positions I knew were untenable, so I sat back and watched.

I was appalled and ashamed. Never had I seen such pure hatred and animosity before. The Republicans I supported didn't represent my values in the least.

I had met a friend a year earlier who identified as a lesbian, yes a lesbian. She taught me a lot of things about being objective and backing up my assertions with facts and proper reasoning and also, of tolerance. As such, what I learned had an indelible impact on me. I used that mindset to instill change in my beliefs. I finally disabused myself from two party politics, started forcing myself to look at both sides of an issue, and not thinking of every Democrat I saw as a traitor to my country. I ditched Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity. I began learning to educate myself before spouting off on the internet about things I didn't know one iota about. When I managed to master it, it had the side effect of not only educating me in the political arena, but every arena. When I joined this board in 2013, I was on the way to completing my intellectual and political journey. And I have plenty of people here to thank, too.

But what little was left of my Republican side compelled me one last time to vote for them...

In 2014 I gave my former party one last chance to redeem themselves, and ever since then, they've managed to betray me again. I thought, "never again will I waste my vote on someone who talks me up then lets me down, hard. I will educate myself on any and all candidates and cast my vote for whichever one I deem fit, whether they be liberal, conservative or independent."

I think of that when I listen to Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio repeat their talking points "When I'm president, I'll..." I get tired of hearing it. Many candidates I voted for have made those promises. Repeal Obamacare, secure the border, fight for traditional marriage, ban abortion, those things repeated ad nauseam. I'm done. Let the chips fall where they may. I had my fill of the establishment long ago, and I'm not about to make the same mistake voting for them again.

Trump's unorthodox methods are refreshing in a way. But as my friend taught me, I will remain objective throughout the duration of my support for Donald Trump, while I have the clothespin in hand, ready to clasp my nose shut as I cast my vote. It is sad that it has come to this. I'm voting for him because I feel I have no other choice.

It will be interesting to see where you are in 2018 (as interesting as any subject involving you can be anyway)....after Trump loses.

 

[Avatar4321]

What are your reasons for voting for Trump?

Doc, you asked me this in another thread, and I thought about replying to this in the thread we were in. But I thought I could just as easily express it in a thread of my own. I had to mull on this for a while. So, I thought it was time to explain my reasoning to the entire board. The other thing I didn't want to do was offer the token "oh he says it like it is!" response. No... it's not that simple.

Aside from his attitude and his mouth, he's a moderate who isn't afraid to change his mind and take flak for it. I do it all the time on this board. It may sound surprising to you, but in some ways I can relate to him.

He's immoral, though. I don't agree with him much and I am quite well aware of his past positions. Everything he does conflicts with my established morals. But, I'm just one of those folks who believe the Republican party has made many promises and just as easily broke them. And I'm at the point where I don't care anymore. None of the candidates (Trump, too) really inspire me. And as a saying of mine, "there is nothing more dangerous than a voter who doesn't care."

Now, let me tell you a tale of how I left the Republican Party and metamorphosed from a Neo-Conservative to pretty much the moderate/libertarian you see me as today. This ties in to the reason why I'm voting for Trump.

When I came of voting age, I was stoked. I was inspired by everything Glenn Beck said on Fox News. I listened to Rush Limbaugh and almost worshiped Sean Hannity. I was finally able to vote and perform my civic duty. I couldn't stop talking about it. So, I gleefully voted for McCain and Romney my very first two presidential elections. As I paid more attention to the political landscape, I was disenchanted. Each year following the 2008 election, I watched my former party consistently fail to enforce the will of the people who voted for them, including mine. Each time they betrayed us, I got angrier. The year 2010 came and Republicans swept the House of Representatives, and I voted straight ticket Republican. I joined the Tea Party then, too; "this is it" I thought, "the establishment finally got the message!"

To me, I thought there was no way Democrats would have their way when we swept them into the House that year. I found out just how naive I had been. Both for thinking the Republicans would finally heed the will of the voters, and for thinking we had finally stopped the Democrats dead in their tracks. For two years after, I watched more of the same, Republicans caving under pressure from the Democrats, wasting precious time voting on bills they knew would never pass. In 2012 I had just experienced one the most hellish years of my life having to resign from my job and admitting myself to a mental facility after experiencing a severe nervous breakdown. When I came home from the hospital, I had plenty of time to think as I was bed-ridden for three months, so I literally had plenty of time to think to myself, mind you.

I figured that many of my views on life were the cause of my mental issues, so I committed myself to changing them, little by little, starting with my political beliefs. So that year I voted for Romney, but when he failed to win, I left, Tea Party and all. I remember the sense of relief I got when I reconciled myself with leaving. It was distressing feeling obligated to defend positions I knew were untenable, so I sat back and watched.

I was appalled and ashamed. Never had I seen such pure hatred and animosity before. The Republicans I supported didn't represent my values in the least.

I had met a friend a year earlier who identified as a lesbian, yes a lesbian. She taught me a lot of things about being objective and backing up my assertions with facts and proper reasoning and also, of tolerance. As such, what I learned had an indelible impact on me. I used that mindset to instill change in my beliefs. I finally disabused myself from two party politics, started forcing myself to look at both sides of an issue, and not thinking of every Democrat I saw as a traitor to my country. I ditched Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity. I began learning to educate myself before spouting off on the internet about things I didn't know one iota about. When I managed to master it, it had the side effect of not only educating me in the political arena, but every arena. When I joined this board in 2013, I was on the way to completing my intellectual and political journey. And I have plenty of people here to thank, too.

But what little was left of my Republican side compelled me one last time to vote for them...

In 2014 I gave my former party one last chance to redeem themselves, and ever since then, they've managed to betray me again. I thought, "never again will I waste my vote on someone who talks me up then lets me down, hard. I will educate myself on any and all candidates and cast my vote for whichever one I deem fit, whether they be liberal, conservative or independent."

I think of that when I listen to Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio repeat their talking points "When I'm president, I'll..." I get tired of hearing it. Many candidates I voted for have made those promises. Repeal Obamacare, secure the border, fight for traditional marriage, ban abortion, those things repeated ad nauseam. I'm done. Let the chips fall where they may. I had my fill of the establishment long ago, and I'm not about to make the same mistake voting for them again.

Trump's unorthodox methods are refreshing in a way. But as my friend taught me, I will remain objective throughout the duration of my support for Donald Trump, while I have the clothespin in hand, ready to clasp my nose shut as I cast my vote. It is sad that it has come to this. I'm voting for him because I feel I have no other choice.

You're tired of politicians telling you they are going to stop the issues you care about so you are going to support the candidate with a history of dishonesty and who is promising to do the opposite?

Meanwhile Cruz has kept his promises, spoken out against corruption in both parties and supports what you want but you don't want him?

We are so close to finally winning for good and we are shooting ourselves in the head at the finish line.

I truly don't get it

 

[candycorn]

What are your reasons for voting for Trump?

Doc, you asked me this in another thread, and I thought about replying to this in the thread we were in. But I thought I could just as easily express it in a thread of my own. I had to mull on this for a while. So, I thought it was time to explain my reasoning to the entire board. The other thing I didn't want to do was offer the token "oh he says it like it is!" response. No... it's not that simple.

Aside from his attitude and his mouth, he's a moderate who isn't afraid to change his mind and take flak for it. I do it all the time on this board. It may sound surprising to you, but in some ways I can relate to him.

He's immoral, though. I don't agree with him much and I am quite well aware of his past positions. Everything he does conflicts with my established morals. But, I'm just one of those folks who believe the Republican party has made many promises and just as easily broke them. And I'm at the point where I don't care anymore. None of the candidates (Trump, too) really inspire me. And as a saying of mine, "there is nothing more dangerous than a voter who doesn't care."

Now, let me tell you a tale of how I left the Republican Party and metamorphosed from a Neo-Conservative to pretty much the moderate/libertarian you see me as today. This ties in to the reason why I'm voting for Trump.

When I came of voting age, I was stoked. I was inspired by everything Glenn Beck said on Fox News. I listened to Rush Limbaugh and almost worshiped Sean Hannity. I was finally able to vote and perform my civic duty. I couldn't stop talking about it. So, I gleefully voted for McCain and Romney my very first two presidential elections. As I paid more attention to the political landscape, I was disenchanted. Each year following the 2008 election, I watched my former party consistently fail to enforce the will of the people who voted for them, including mine. Each time they betrayed us, I got angrier. The year 2010 came and Republicans swept the House of Representatives, and I voted straight ticket Republican. I joined the Tea Party then, too; "this is it" I thought, "the establishment finally got the message!"

To me, I thought there was no way Democrats would have their way when we swept them into the House that year. I found out just how naive I had been. Both for thinking the Republicans would finally heed the will of the voters, and for thinking we had finally stopped the Democrats dead in their tracks. For two years after, I watched more of the same, Republicans caving under pressure from the Democrats, wasting precious time voting on bills they knew would never pass. In 2012 I had just experienced one the most hellish years of my life having to resign from my job and admitting myself to a mental facility after experiencing a severe nervous breakdown. When I came home from the hospital, I had plenty of time to think as I was bed-ridden for three months, so I literally had plenty of time to think to myself, mind you.

I figured that many of my views on life were the cause of my mental issues, so I committed myself to changing them, little by little, starting with my political beliefs. So that year I voted for Romney, but when he failed to win, I left, Tea Party and all. I remember the sense of relief I got when I reconciled myself with leaving. It was distressing feeling obligated to defend positions I knew were untenable, so I sat back and watched.

I was appalled and ashamed. Never had I seen such pure hatred and animosity before. The Republicans I supported didn't represent my values in the least.

I had met a friend a year earlier who identified as a lesbian, yes a lesbian. She taught me a lot of things about being objective and backing up my assertions with facts and proper reasoning and also, of tolerance. As such, what I learned had an indelible impact on me. I used that mindset to instill change in my beliefs. I finally disabused myself from two party politics, started forcing myself to look at both sides of an issue, and not thinking of every Democrat I saw as a traitor to my country. I ditched Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity. I began learning to educate myself before spouting off on the internet about things I didn't know one iota about. When I managed to master it, it had the side effect of not only educating me in the political arena, but every arena. When I joined this board in 2013, I was on the way to completing my intellectual and political journey. And I have plenty of people here to thank, too.

But what little was left of my Republican side compelled me one last time to vote for them...

In 2014 I gave my former party one last chance to redeem themselves, and ever since then, they've managed to betray me again. I thought, "never again will I waste my vote on someone who talks me up then lets me down, hard. I will educate myself on any and all candidates and cast my vote for whichever one I deem fit, whether they be liberal, conservative or independent."

I think of that when I listen to Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio repeat their talking points "When I'm president, I'll..." I get tired of hearing it. Many candidates I voted for have made those promises. Repeal Obamacare, secure the border, fight for traditional marriage, ban abortion, those things repeated ad nauseam. I'm done. Let the chips fall where they may. I had my fill of the establishment long ago, and I'm not about to make the same mistake voting for them again.

Trump's unorthodox methods are refreshing in a way. But as my friend taught me, I will remain objective throughout the duration of my support for Donald Trump, while I have the clothespin in hand, ready to clasp my nose shut as I cast my vote. It is sad that it has come to this. I'm voting for him because I feel I have no other choice.

You're tired of politicians telling you they are going to stop the issues you care about so you are going to support the candidate with a history of dishonesty and who is promising to do the opposite?

Meanwhile Cruz has kept his promises, spoken out against corruption in both parties and supports what you want but you don't want him?

We are so close to finally winning for good and we are shooting ourselves in the head at the finish line.

I truly don't get it

You're nowhere near winning with Trump or Cruz. Rubio? He'd give Hillary quite a battle due to the contrasts. Kasich would do like wise but I think he'd probably have a harder road to 270.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Hey, if nothing else, a Trump Presidency will be really fucking interesting

I think the repugnance of a Trump presidency might get me to kick the political junkie habit.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Trump is hope and change on steroids and hallucinogens.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Meanwhile Cruz has kept his promises, spoken out against corruption in both parties and supports what you want but you don't want him?

As much as I appreciate you stumping for Cruz, and your concern, I've seen politicians like Cruz before. He reeks of the establishment, no matter how many times people say he's not. I know that once he's in the Oval Office the promises he made on the campaign trail will not be fulfilled.

Like I said before, I don't care anymore.

 

[longknife]

Trump pisses off the commies and that is the only reason he has my vote.

Just read a piece - sorry for not saving a link - where the ruling members of China are deeply concerned about a Trump presidency.

That should earn him even more support.

 

[longknife]

When you convince yourself that everyone who disagrees with you is "securing their personal future" and not "work FOR the country", then you're the one being divisive.

I don't mind if a congressman disagrees with me, I mind that they are listening to lobbyists and special interests instead of their constituents.

What makes you think those lobbyists and special interests aren't "constituents" themselves, or representative of constiuents?

You're making a lot of sweeping generalizations, without thinking it through.

lol, perhaps they are SUPER Constituents with DEEP POCKETS, huh?

Let me give you a few examples of what I'm talking about.

A major defense contractor lobbies a Congressman to get funding for a new jet fighter. That defense contractor uses that funding to build a factory in that Congressman's district, employing 5,000 people.

A large union that represents half a million workers lobbies Congress to support laws that help their members.

Large corporations lobby Congress to fight those same laws, which then helps their bottom line - and correspondingly, their stockholders.

There is no such thing as a single universal interest that helps everyone in the country. It just doesn't exist.

When I was in my teens, I wanted to be the "Lobbyist of the People." Special interests and lobbyists (who are still special interests) still grease the palm and you cannot tell me otherwise. All of those votes from Congress should be without outside influence. I would rather see that decisions were made on the basis of merit without input from either side.

There is one flaw in your comments. Members of Congress are elected by THE PEOPLE and are answerable only to them. Senators should represent the wishes of their state while Representatives are the voices of the people in their districts. Without that, we are nothing but pawns of special interests.

 

[longknife]

I don't mind if a congressman disagrees with me, I mind that they are listening to lobbyists and special interests instead of their constituents.

What makes you think those lobbyists and special interests aren't "constituents" themselves, or representative of constiuents?

You're making a lot of sweeping generalizations, without thinking it through.

lol, perhaps they are SUPER Constituents with DEEP POCKETS, huh?

Let me give you a few examples of what I'm talking about.

A major defense contractor lobbies a Congressman to get funding for a new jet fighter. That defense contractor uses that funding to build a factory in that Congressman's district, employing 5,000 people.

A large union that represents half a million workers lobbies Congress to support laws that help their members.

Large corporations lobby Congress to fight those same laws, which then helps their bottom line - and correspondingly, their stockholders.

There is no such thing as a single universal interest that helps everyone in the country. It just doesn't exist.

When I was in my teens, I wanted to be the "Lobbyist of the People." Special interests and lobbyists (who are still special interests) still grease the palm and you cannot tell me otherwise. All of those votes from Congress should be without outside influence. I would rather see that decisions were made on the basis of merit without input from either side.

A "Lobbyist" is anyone who goes to a politician seeking support (or the lack thereof) on an issue. I have personally "lobbied" many politicians. When you say "all of those votes from Congress should be without outside influence", do you mean that I shouldn't be able to speak to my representatives?

Can I write to them, or is that "outside influence" too?

I just "lobbied" my Senator by sending a comment on his website about the possibility of Governor Sandoval being nominated for the Supreme Court - BEFORE he said he would not accept such an honor.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Trump is hope and change on steroids and hallucinogens.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Trump pisses off the commies and that is the only reason he has my vote.

Just read a piece - sorry for not saving a link - where the ruling members of China are deeply concerned about a Trump presidency.

That should earn him even more support.

because we always want hostilities and instability...it helps make money for the armament makers which is so Important ...one always wants a narcissist blow hard billionaire with Nuclear power ...always LOL

 

[JimBowie1958]

Doc, you asked me this in another thread, and I thought about replying to this in the thread we were in. But I thought I could just as easily express it in a thread of my own. I had to mull on this for a while. So, I thought it was time to explain my reasoning to the entire board. The other thing I didn't want to do was offer the token "oh he says it like it is!" response. No... it's not that simple.

Aside from his attitude and his mouth, he's a moderate who isn't afraid to change his mind and take flak for it. I do it all the time on this board. It may sound surprising to you, but in some ways I can relate to him.

He's immoral, though. I don't agree with him much and I am quite well aware of his past positions. Everything he does conflicts with my established morals. But, I'm just one of those folks who believe the Republican party has made many promises and just as easily broke them. And I'm at the point where I don't care anymore. None of the candidates (Trump, too) really inspire me. And as a saying of mine, "there is nothing more dangerous than a voter who doesn't care."

Now, let me tell you a tale of how I left the Republican Party and metamorphosed from a Neo-Conservative to pretty much the moderate/libertarian you see me as today. This ties in to the reason why I'm voting for Trump.

When I came of voting age, I was stoked. I was inspired by everything Glenn Beck said on Fox News. I listened to Rush Limbaugh and almost worshiped Sean Hannity. I was finally able to vote and perform my civic duty. I couldn't stop talking about it. So, I gleefully voted for McCain and Romney my very first two presidential elections. As I paid more attention to the political landscape, I was disenchanted. Each year following the 2008 election, I watched my former party consistently fail to enforce the will of the people who voted for them, including mine. Each time they betrayed us, I got angrier. The year 2010 came and Republicans swept the House of Representatives, and I voted straight ticket Republican. I joined the Tea Party then, too; "this is it" I thought, "the establishment finally got the message!"

To me, I thought there was no way Democrats would have their way when we swept them into the House that year. I found out just how naive I had been. Both for thinking the Republicans would finally heed the will of the voters, and for thinking we had finally stopped the Democrats dead in their tracks. For two years after, I watched more of the same, Republicans caving under pressure from the Democrats, wasting precious time voting on bills they knew would never pass. In 2012 I had just experienced one the most hellish years of my life having to resign from my job and admitting myself to a mental facility after experiencing a severe nervous breakdown. When I came home from the hospital, I had plenty of time to think as I was bed-ridden for three months, so I literally had plenty of time to think to myself, mind you.

I figured that many of my views on life were the cause of my mental issues, so I committed myself to changing them, little by little, starting with my political beliefs. So that year I voted for Romney, but when he failed to win, I left, Tea Party and all. I remember the sense of relief I got when I reconciled myself with leaving. It was distressing feeling obligated to defend positions I knew were untenable, so I sat back and watched.

I was appalled and ashamed. Never had I seen such pure hatred and animosity before. The Republicans I supported didn't represent my values in the least.

I had met a friend a year earlier who identified as a lesbian, yes a lesbian. She taught me a lot of things about being objective and backing up my assertions with facts and proper reasoning and also, of tolerance. As such, what I learned had an indelible impact on me. I used that mindset to instill change in my beliefs. I finally disabused myself from two party politics, started forcing myself to look at both sides of an issue, and not thinking of every Democrat I saw as a traitor to my country. I ditched Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity. I began learning to educate myself before spouting off on the internet about things I didn't know one iota about. When I managed to master it, it had the side effect of not only educating me in the political arena, but every arena. When I joined this board in 2013, I was on the way to completing my intellectual and political journey. And I have plenty of people here to thank, too.

But what little was left of my Republican side compelled me one last time to vote for them...

In 2014 I gave my former party one last chance to redeem themselves, and ever since then, they've managed to betray me again. I thought, "never again will I waste my vote on someone who talks me up then lets me down, hard. I will educate myself on any and all candidates and cast my vote for whichever one I deem fit, whether they be liberal, conservative or independent."

I think of that when I listen to Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio repeat their talking points "When I'm president, I'll..." I get tired of hearing it. Many candidates I voted for have made those promises. Repeal Obamacare, secure the border, fight for traditional marriage, ban abortion, those things repeated ad nauseam. I'm done. Let the chips fall where they may. I had my fill of the establishment long ago, and I'm not about to make the same mistake voting for them again.

Trump's unorthodox methods are refreshing in a way. But as my friend taught me, I will remain objective throughout the duration of my support for Donald Trump, while I have the clothespin in hand, ready to clasp my nose shut as I cast my vote. It is sad that it has come to this. I'm voting for him because I feel I have no other choice.

That is acompelling story, somehat similar to mine.

I got 'involved' in politics when my union shop steward grandfather started teaching me about it all around the age of 8. I remember crying in the back seat of the car in 1968 as we drove home from my grandparents house, over the sad fate for America, electing that crook Nixon, lol. My grandfather taught me a lot about being an American patriot and standing up for other workers because we all rise or sink together.

But by the time I got to high school, my parents had divorced and I was an atheist and a cynic. I got into some discussion with some Christians about why they believed in God and that started my journey to Christianity in 1974 and I became a Christian in that year. I went to a Christian School for college but quit after two years, when I saw the grotesque hypocrisy that the clergy student engaged in, trading confession stories and bragging about what girls they nailed, etc. I was sick of hearing it but the preacher in charge of the class did nothing about it and it got worse.

Without a moral framework, I decided to rebuild it from scratch, so I enlisted into the Army 11B infantry so I could have time to sort things out. I finally became a Roman Catholic in 1983 only to discover that I was usually the most conservative Catholic in the parish repeatedly.

The gist of this is that we should not trust the story lines people give us to join their organizations, whatever it is. Usually that is just bait to get you in, then they hide the true nature of who and what they are till they think they can trust you, if that ever happens. Most religious organizations are run by people who really dont believe in their teachings of that organization. I cant tell you how many atheist clergy I have met, or clergy that do not believe in the resurrection of Christ.

But all we can do is live our lives by the moral light we do have, whatever it may be, and to be a good neighbor, friend and family member to those God brings our way.

That is all God expects of us, and if we do that, we can be happy and content till He calls us home.

What more do we want?

Trump to become President? Sure, but that wont make me happy; only me being the person God wants me to be will make me happy.

I am glad you made it to your realizations yo have made. Just keep your eyes on Christ and be confident tht when you have a distressful situation He will always provide an out. I t might not be what you want, but there will be an out. Even if that is you being called home sooner than you planned.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Trump is hope and change on steroids and hallucinogens.

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