My number one reason for disappointment in Obama

[The T]

To be disappointed would mean that I had expectations for him.
I did not.
He has done pretty much what I expected. Bush II.
Obama and Bush are/were both AWOL on the U.S. economy letting the system run itself and appointing several dark characters to perform economic policies or the lack thereof.
When Obama appointed Larry Summers - that is all anyone needed to make an assessment of what Obama thinks of the financial system....nothing. He didn't choose Summers...the machine did. And Larry Summers is a very, very, very good friend of Wall Street.

Okay. Ignore the word 'disappointment', and I'll leave out the word 'president'. What is the one thing Obama has done that you perceive as his biggest blunder.

Making Obamacare the number one priority of his administration.

Too bad it's going down in flames.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Dumbass, you claimed Reagan made UBL.

Actually your friends the Soviets created UBL because they invaded Afghanistan and created a jihad for UBL and his kind, which eventually turned the craphole into a bigger craphole that helped the stone age Taliban to rule.

George Bush only reacted to the Taliban's support of UBL after 9/11. I guess you oppose attacking them for 9/11. Well, Clinton even lobbed missiles at UBL and the Taliban in the 90s, but that is ok in your little head.

George Bush even did what liberals tout, he handed over the operation to NATO-ISAF as a "coalition" but most of those supporting us are only there for show, not actually doing the job.

Obamination used Iraq as an excuse for the "coalition" failure in Afghanistan and he even doubled down on it, only now talking about pulling out in 2014. You idiots can't even make up your mind.....

You're the typical idiot repeating a lie over and over and over.

UBL was rich and didn't need or want CIA money, idiot. He used his wealth to arm his friends in Afghanistan and gained influence in that shithole, whereas the CIA funded those islamic fighters that became the Northern Alliance.

Um, UBL had the leader of the Northern Alliance killed on 10 Sep 01...does that date ring a bell? Eh idiot.

UBL sided with the Taliban, not all Afghans are with the Taliban....moron.

And the GOP didn't make a deal with the Iranians to hold the hostages until after the election between Carter and Reagan. Bush was head of the CIA and that is how he got the nod for VP. And a year later why they all got caught selling guns to Iran in the Iran Contra Scandal. Reagan invented Osama Bin Ladin. Funded him. Bin Ladin helped Reagan beat the Russians.

And if you are correct, you are justifying Obama's reason for still being in Afganistan. Al Queda is bad and we can't let them take over Afganistan like they did before. We have to win the hearts and minds of the citizens so they reject Al Queda. And if we weren't in Afganistan, how would we have been able to fly into Pakistan and kill Bin Ladin? Obama killed Bin Ladin, remember? God help us if Bush would have accomplished that.

 

[Peach]

Dumbass, you claimed Reagan made UBL.

Actually your friends the Soviets created UBL because they invaded Afghanistan and created a jihad for UBL and his kind, which eventually turned the craphole into a bigger craphole that helped the stone age Taliban to rule.

George Bush only reacted to the Taliban's support of UBL after 9/11. I guess you oppose attacking them for 9/11. Well, Clinton even lobbed missiles at UBL and the Taliban in the 90s, but that is ok in your little head.

George Bush even did what liberals tout, he handed over the operation to NATO-ISAF as a "coalition" but most of those supporting us are only there for show, not actually doing the job.

Obamination used Iraq as an excuse for the "coalition" failure in Afghanistan and he even doubled down on it, only now talking about pulling out in 2014. You idiots can't even make up your mind.....

You're the typical idiot repeating a lie over and over and over.

UBL was rich and didn't need or want CIA money, idiot. He used his wealth to arm his friends in Afghanistan and gained influence in that shithole, whereas the CIA funded those islamic fighters that became the Northern Alliance.

Um, UBL had the leader of the Northern Alliance killed on 10 Sep 01...does that date ring a bell? Eh idiot.

UBL sided with the Taliban, not all Afghans are with the Taliban....moron.

And if you are correct, you are justifying Obama's reason for still being in Afganistan. Al Queda is bad and we can't let them take over Afganistan like they did before. We have to win the hearts and minds of the citizens so they reject Al Queda. And if we weren't in Afganistan, how would we have been able to fly into Pakistan and kill Bin Ladin? Obama killed Bin Ladin, remember? God help us if Bush would have accomplished that.

The Reagan administration DID support the mujahideen, that became the Taliban.

 

[mudwhistle]

Dumbass, you claimed Reagan made UBL.

Actually your friends the Soviets created UBL because they invaded Afghanistan and created a jihad for UBL and his kind, which eventually turned the craphole into a bigger craphole that helped the stone age Taliban to rule.

George Bush only reacted to the Taliban's support of UBL after 9/11. I guess you oppose attacking them for 9/11. Well, Clinton even lobbed missiles at UBL and the Taliban in the 90s, but that is ok in your little head.

George Bush even did what liberals tout, he handed over the operation to NATO-ISAF as a "coalition" but most of those supporting us are only there for show, not actually doing the job.

Obamination used Iraq as an excuse for the "coalition" failure in Afghanistan and he even doubled down on it, only now talking about pulling out in 2014. You idiots can't even make up your mind.....

And if you are correct, you are justifying Obama's reason for still being in Afganistan. Al Queda is bad and we can't let them take over Afganistan like they did before. We have to win the hearts and minds of the citizens so they reject Al Queda. And if we weren't in Afganistan, how would we have been able to fly into Pakistan and kill Bin Ladin? Obama killed Bin Ladin, remember? God help us if Bush would have accomplished that.

The Reagan administration DID support the mujahideen, that became the Taliban.

One thing you may have noticed.....whenever you help them eventually they will turn on you.

Obama has yet to learn this hard lesson.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Wrong...the CIA supported the Northern Alliance, UBL was with the Taliban.

Afghanistan was in a civil war between the Taliban and Northern Alliance after the Soviets left town.

This endless crap of trying to pin UBL on Reagan is the biggest pile of shit. A CIA leader that was funding the Afghans against the Soviets said UBL turned down our help because he didn't like the "infidels."

Dumbass, you claimed Reagan made UBL.

Actually your friends the Soviets created UBL because they invaded Afghanistan and created a jihad for UBL and his kind, which eventually turned the craphole into a bigger craphole that helped the stone age Taliban to rule.

George Bush only reacted to the Taliban's support of UBL after 9/11. I guess you oppose attacking them for 9/11. Well, Clinton even lobbed missiles at UBL and the Taliban in the 90s, but that is ok in your little head.

George Bush even did what liberals tout, he handed over the operation to NATO-ISAF as a "coalition" but most of those supporting us are only there for show, not actually doing the job.

Obamination used Iraq as an excuse for the "coalition" failure in Afghanistan and he even doubled down on it, only now talking about pulling out in 2014. You idiots can't even make up your mind.....

And if you are correct, you are justifying Obama's reason for still being in Afganistan. Al Queda is bad and we can't let them take over Afganistan like they did before. We have to win the hearts and minds of the citizens so they reject Al Queda. And if we weren't in Afganistan, how would we have been able to fly into Pakistan and kill Bin Ladin? Obama killed Bin Ladin, remember? God help us if Bush would have accomplished that.

The Reagan administration DID support the mujahideen, that became the Taliban.

 

[Emma]

And note the ones that won't admit failure are usually the ones on the dole...and are threatened that it has to end...they might have to go find a JOB

lol look who's talking

 

[Navy1960]

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm, train, and finance the Afghan mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention.[1] Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[2] funding began with $20–30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[3] Funding continued after 1989 as the Mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during the Civil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992). [4]

On July 3, 1979, U.S. President Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[3] Following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December Operation Storm-333 and installation of a more pro-Soviet president, Babrak Karmal, Carter announced, "The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is the greatest threat to peace since the Second World War".[24]
Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let's not blame everything on President Reagan shall we, President Reagan did continue the operation that began with President Carter. History is not always so cut and dry as many would like to have it, nor has our relationship with UBL been one that has belonged only to President Bush or President Obama, I seem to recall a time during the Clinton Administration when they are hot on his trail as well.

 

[francoHFW]

So Carter did a covert action- intelligently...Reagan threw SAMs at anyone who wanted them- including foreign forces- AlQaeda to be, Taliban to be, was PALS with Saddam, threw the marines in EVERYWHERE, quadrupled the debt, let S+Ls run wild, sold arms to Khomeini to ruin El Salvador and Nicaragua- a disastous demented fool...

We're lucky he didn't sabotage Gorby, the savior of Russia, and bring hardliners in with his stupid bluster...

 

[Sallow]

I have several:

-Extended the Bush Taxes cuts.
-Balked on closing Gitmo through executive order.
-Extended the Patriot Act.
-Went with the Republican plan on Health Care.
-Went with the "generals" on Afghanistan.
-Went with the Republicans on the defense budget.
-Been far to nice to the opposition.

Overall I like the guy..but those are my complaints.

 

[Sallow]

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm, train, and finance the Afghan mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention.[1] Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[2] funding began with $20–30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[3] Funding continued after 1989 as the Mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during the Civil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992). [4]

On July 3, 1979, U.S. President Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[3] Following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December Operation Storm-333 and installation of a more pro-Soviet president, Babrak Karmal, Carter announced, "The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is the greatest threat to peace since the Second World War".[24]
Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let's not blame everything on President Reagan shall we, President Reagan did continue the operation that began with President Carter. History is not always so cut and dry as many would like to have it, nor has our relationship with UBL been one that has belonged only to President Bush or President Obama, I seem to recall a time during the Clinton Administration when they are hot on his trail as well.

This is true..but Carter's idea was harrassment..Reagan went with "winning".

Well how'd the "winning" go?

 

[Listening]

So Carter did a covert action- intelligently...Reagan threw SAMs at anyone who wanted them- including foreign forces- AlQaeda to be, Taliban to be, was PALS with Saddam, threw the marines in EVERYWHERE, quadrupled the debt, let S+Ls run wild, sold arms to Khomeini to ruin El Salvador and Nicaragua- a disastous demented fool...

We're lucky he didn't sabotage Gorby, the savior of Russia, and bring hardliners in with his stupid bluster...

Well....

A. He did such a bad job, he came within less than a percentage of winning all 50 states.

B. Historical hindsight is useless in this argument. Nobody knows what is going to happen. At least that is what is being argumed now by Obama.

C. We recovered from the S&L crisis quite well....seems our Barney Frank led housing bubble isn't healing so fast, now does it.

D. People liked Reagan enough that they hired his milquetoast V.P. to take over.

E. He brought the Soviet Union To it's knees.

The only thing Carter brought to it's knees was the United States.

Keep trying stupid ass.

 

[Navy1960]

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm, train, and finance the Afghan mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention.[1] Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[2] funding began with $20–30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[3] Funding continued after 1989 as the Mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during the Civil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992). [4]

On July 3, 1979, U.S. President Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[3] Following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December Operation Storm-333 and installation of a more pro-Soviet president, Babrak Karmal, Carter announced, "The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is the greatest threat to peace since the Second World War".[24]
Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let's not blame everything on President Reagan shall we, President Reagan did continue the operation that began with President Carter. History is not always so cut and dry as many would like to have it, nor has our relationship with UBL been one that has belonged only to President Bush or President Obama, I seem to recall a time during the Clinton Administration when they are hot on his trail as well.

This is true..but Carter's idea was harrassment..Reagan went with "winning".

Well how'd the "winning" go?

I didn't post that to pick a side so much as to say that our help for Afghan rebels began under the Carter Administration as well as to show that over the years several Administrations both Republican and Democrat have spent time in that country to no avail in my humble opinion. On a personal level once we had killed UBL the SecDef should have marched out to a lecturn at the Pentagon and claimed victory and ended that War. Given the long history of nations involved there, I can assure you that not long after we have left there it will be as if we never were there and it will be business as usual and all we have to show for it a rather large bill to pay to China for it, not including the costs to the all the brave young warriors who have fought there over the years.

 

[mudwhistle]

I have several:

-Extended the Bush Taxes cuts.
-Balked on closing Gitmo through executive order.
-Extended the Patriot Act.
-Went with the Republican plan on Health Care.
-Went with the "generals" on Afghanistan.
-Went with the Republicans on the defense budget.
-Been far to nice to the opposition.

Overall I like the guy..but those are my complaints.

So you want your taxes to go up
You want to give terrorists rights so they can be tried in court without any evidence and allow them to tarnish our image even more and make the tax-payer pay for it
You want to remove the protections that have kept us safe since 9/11
You think the Republicans designed Obamacare
You think that winning in Afghanistan was wrong
You think that cutting military funding in the middle of two wars is smart. Maybe stopping the search for bin laden along with it.
So maybe you'll be happy if Obama just shoots the God Damned GOP instead of cussing them out 24/7

There's something definitely wrong with you......

 

[Peach]

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm, train, and finance the Afghan mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention.[1] Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[2] funding began with $20–30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[3] Funding continued after 1989 as the Mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during the Civil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992). [4]

On July 3, 1979, U.S. President Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[3] Following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December Operation Storm-333 and installation of a more pro-Soviet president, Babrak Karmal, Carter announced, "The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is the greatest threat to peace since the Second World War".[24]
Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let's not blame everything on President Reagan shall we, President Reagan did continue the operation that began with President Carter. History is not always so cut and dry as many would like to have it, nor has our relationship with UBL been one that has belonged only to President Bush or President Obama, I seem to recall a time during the Clinton Administration when they are hot on his trail as well.

Carter left 1/81, so it WAS mostly Reagan. We paid the price 9/11/01. But as you wrote, several presidents preferred the mujahideen to the Soviets.

 

[Sallow]

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm, train, and finance the Afghan mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention.[1] Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[2] funding began with $20–30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[3] Funding continued after 1989 as the Mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah's PDPA during the Civil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992). [4]

On July 3, 1979, U.S. President Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[3] Following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December Operation Storm-333 and installation of a more pro-Soviet president, Babrak Karmal, Carter announced, "The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is the greatest threat to peace since the Second World War".[24]
Operation Cyclone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let's not blame everything on President Reagan shall we, President Reagan did continue the operation that began with President Carter. History is not always so cut and dry as many would like to have it, nor has our relationship with UBL been one that has belonged only to President Bush or President Obama, I seem to recall a time during the Clinton Administration when they are hot on his trail as well.

This is true..but Carter's idea was harrassment..Reagan went with "winning".

Well how'd the "winning" go?

I didn't post that to pick a side so much as to say that our help for Afghan rebels began under the Carter Administration as well as to show that over the years several Administrations both Republican and Democrat have spent time in that country to no avail in my humble opinion. On a personal level once we had killed UBL the SecDef should have marched out to a lecturn at the Pentagon and claimed victory and ended that War. Given the long history of nations involved there, I can assure you that not long after we have left there it will be as if we never were there and it will be business as usual and all we have to show for it a rather large bill to pay to China for it, not including the costs to the all the brave young warriors who have fought there over the years.

That wasn't my point.

My point was the policy changed from harrassment to winning. Not that I think either was a good thing. But in terms of policy..it had blowback..and in a major way.

So..what would be your opinion?

Winning was a good idea?

 

[Sallow]

I have several:

-Extended the Bush Taxes cuts.
-Balked on closing Gitmo through executive order.
-Extended the Patriot Act.
-Went with the Republican plan on Health Care.
-Went with the "generals" on Afghanistan.
-Went with the Republicans on the defense budget.
-Been far to nice to the opposition.

Overall I like the guy..but those are my complaints.

So you want your taxes to go up
You want to give terrorists rights so they can be tried in court without any evidence and allow them to tarnish our image even more and make the tax-payer pay for it
You want to remove the protections that have kept us safe since 9/11
You think the Republicans designed Obamacare
You think that winning in Afghanistan was wrong
You think that cutting military funding in the middle of two wars is smart. Maybe stopping the search for bin laden along with it.
So maybe you'll be happy if Obama just shoots the God Damned GOP instead of cussing them out 24/7

There's something definitely wrong with you......

-I don't make more then 250K a year.
-I believe in the American Justice system.
-I don't think they kept us safe.
-Yep.
-The mission in Afghanistan was to close the camps. Once that was done it was over.
-This country spends much to much money on an offensive and professional military. Time to go back to the Constitution, which never advocated empire or for invasion and conquering of other lands that did not attack us.
-You get this wrong. It's you guys that want to kill Americans that don't agree with you.

 

[MikeK]

Not closing GITMO I suppose is my biggest dissapointment.
However extending the prtiot act and strengthing it, extending the Bush tax cuts, NOt accelerating our withdrawl from Afgansitan and Iraq.
Several more.

I know he has explanations for why he's done the things he's done, but I can't remember the Gitmo one. Explanations vs excuses is the next order of business.

I've never heard him explain why he let the Bush Crime Family walk away smiling. Or why he won't address the issue of marijuana prohibition. Or why he retained the federal judiciary that facilitated the Bush Administration's crimes. Or why he retained Geithner, Summers and Rubin, all of whom participated in the looting of the U.S. Treasury.

As you've said, he is good at making excuses about things for which there are no satisfactory explanations.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I have several:

-Extended the Bush Taxes cuts.
-Balked on closing Gitmo through executive order.
-Extended the Patriot Act.
-Went with the Republican plan on Health Care.
-Went with the "generals" on Afghanistan.
-Went with the Republicans on the defense budget.
-Been far to nice to the opposition.

Overall I like the guy..but those are my complaints.

Republican plan was a no vote but keep trying to pin that failure on the Republicans.

Been far to nice to the opposition.

The president is supposed to lead with the approval of the majority not the minority He does not get to force his agenda on people if the people don't want it.
THE END.

 

[bripat9643]

I've never heard him explain why he let the Bush Crime Family walk away smiling. Or why he won't address the issue of marijuana prohibition. Or why he retained the federal judiciary that facilitated the Bush Administration's crimes. Or why he retained Geithner, Summers and Rubin, all of whom participated in the looting of the U.S. Treasury.

As you've said, he is good at making excuses about things for which there are no satisfactory explanations.

No president is going to prosecute his predesessor for anything because that would set a precedent that he wouldn't want to be subject to.

Furthermore, anyone who thinks Bush committed any crimes in office is simply a dolt.

 

[SniperFire]

dude couldn't run a Bake Sale.