My Issues with Donald Trump

As I have stated in recent days, I am a devout constitutional conservative. I passionately defend my conservative principles and make no bones about it, whether they are popular in the moment or not. I don't care to be among the popular clique, it's just not fundamentally important to me as a person. I had rather stand for convicted principles any day. I realize this election doesn't offer the best of candidates and some might argue, it offers the worst of candidates in a very long time. In my lifetime, I've never experienced a presidential race where I've agonized more about who to vote for or not to vote for. I've heard all the arguments... I know all about the ramifications... I understand this is a crucial time in our nation's history and much hangs in the balance regarding our future as a nation. That simply makes this election even more agonizing to contemplate. There is really no good option.

Numerous Trump supporters have raked me over the coals for my lack of support for Trump. I'm okay with that, I don't come here to be liked or slapped on the back and embraced. I come here to speak my mind and engage in debate with people who want to hash out our differing and contrasting viewpoints in the arena of ideas. I'm not trying to change minds, just hoping to open some eyes and make people think. I don't generally follow news cycles, pundits or talk radio hosts. I will occasionally catch someone like Mark Levin on podcast, and I enjoy watching various debates on YouTube on subjects of interest. I tell you all this as a precursor so you know where I stand. As a conservative, I don't really feel I have a dog in this hunt with regard to the presidency. I think Hillary and Trump are both bad news for Conservatism. But here are my major problems with Trump, for those on the right who think my views are just "sour grapes" because my guy (Cruz) didn't win. It's not about hurt feelings or personalities... it's purely core constitutional conservative values.

1. Trade Policy.
I am all for having good trade deals. I believe our nation is stronger when we have trade alliances with other countries and those arrangements should be beneficial to both parties. Trump has repeatedly called for slapping tariffs on other countries to accomplish various things... pay for the wall, in the case of Mexico... compensate for devaluing currency, in the case of China... even to punish outsourcing by American companies.

Tariffs can be tricky and complicated. It's easy to armchair quarterback and say you'll just apply a tariff to solve this or that problem, but doing so might cause some undesirable and unintended consequences you didn't anticipate. You can trigger trade wars and suddenly, our economy is effected dramatically. This is precisely what happened with Herbert Hoover's trade policies which brought on the Great Depression. His application of tariffs sparked a tariff war against our agriculture products and farmers suffered. Entire seasons of crops sat in warehouses and rotted because of the counter-reaction from export nations, and the farmers of America took it in the shorts. Hoover never intended that to happen but it was the consequence of his actions.

We currently have over 12,000 tariffs in place. Trump has not specified what sort of tariffs he has in mind, it's all over the board... he has mentioned as much as a 45% tariff in some cases, and that is quite extreme. I can't imagine such a jolting tariff could be implemented without a consequence. And let's be clear, aside from the consequences, even if the tariff is accepted, it simply means the prices of import items goes up for the American consumer. So that's 'best case scenario' of this sort of trade policy. Trump supporters cheer loudly when he talks tough about slapping tariffs on people to get them to step in line, but the results almost always come at a price. These things have to be deliberated very carefully by people who know what they're doing.

2. Make America Safe Again.
Playing off his theme of making America great again, Trump also promises to make us safe again. Of course, this sounds wonderful to his followers and they cheer even louder, chanting back... "Make us Safe! Make us Safe!" He hasn't really laid out any specifics on how he intends to accomplish this, but wasn't the Patriot Act and TSA also supposed to make us safe again? I worry about platitudes like this without specificity because when the federal government promises your safety, you best cling to your freedom because that's what is in jeopardy. Don't get me wrong, I am all for safety, I just want more details of the specifics on this before I sign on. I mean, Smith & Wesson, Colt, Remington and Mossberg are doing a pretty damn fine job of keeping me safe.

3. LGBTQ Agenda.
Does anyone know, without Googling, what the 'Q' stands for? Trump mentioned it a few times in his acceptance speech and I honestly had to look it up to see what we're now supporting as Republicans. It stands for "questioning" ...I guess now if you are not sure what you are on any given day, that's perfectly okay... whatever? So now we have moved the party to the radical left on social issues. Forget about religious freedoms or attacking moral traditionalism, this is a new age and we've all got to get with the times. Jump on board the LGBTQwxyz train and go wild baby... get your freak on! So what's next? Are we going to start indoctrinating kids in kindergarten with this nonsense? Will it be forced on private schools, home schools and churches? Maybe we'll adopt some kind of Constitutional Amendment to ensure rights for every perverted sexual deviancy? Yeah, that will be nice... can't wait!

In his hour and a half marathon acceptance speech, Trump mentioned LGBTQ numerous times but became the first Republican presidential nominee since Roe v. Wade not to mention "right to life". Apparently, though in the platform, this is no longer a priority for the Republican party.

4. Ethanol subsidies.
Perhaps Trump was simply pandering for votes in Iowa, but he repeatedly made clear that he was in favor of federal ethanol subsidies and actually proposed an expansion to the program. As a fiscal conservative, this is the first thing that raised my eyebrows at Trump. It is the single biggest wasteful government handout we do. Designed to placate the Global Warming initiative, it pours billions of taxpayer dollars into a program that literally causes the destruction of automobile engines and does not conserve one ounce of energy. In fact, we would be better served from an energy standpoint if we simply burned the billions of dollars instead. It takes more energy from fossil fuels to produce the ethanol than the ethanol saves. Companies headed by crony corporatists are getting rich off the subsidies and Trump wants to make sure their gravy train continues... actually said he wants to do more of it. Folks, as conservatives, if we can't stand firm on cutting ethanol subsidies, there is literally no federal handout program we will ever be able to cut.

5. Federal land acquisitions.
Trump has said that he favors these. He thinks the feds do a great job with the land and he's all for it. This is where the federal government intercedes to take away land rightfully owned by the states. It could be land the states could use for resources such as water, coal, oil and natural gas. It could be lands used by the locals for fishing and hunting.. but that doesn't matter to Trump. Apparently, Federalism doesn't matter either. If the Feds want it, the Feds can take it. In the east, it's not that big of a deal but out west, some of the states are more than 50-60% state land. It's frightening to think he believes the Federal government should have this kind of power over the states.

6. Taxing the Rich.
Trump has said "We're going to tax the rich!" His original tax plan calls for cuts to the top marginal wage earners in America but he has since recanted and says that will be subject to negotiation and would probably change. Translation: I'm giving that up before negotiations even begin to the Democrats. So... since the top marginals are who pay the majority of the tax in America, his wonderful tax plan that everyone applauded including conservatives, is basically gutted so that we can adopt the liberal meme... tax the rich!

Someone should inform Mr. Trump that we don't tax wealth in America and the so-called "rich" don't actually pay much earned income tax because they no longer earn income. They do receive dividends and those are taxed at a lower rate, but that's not part of the top marginal earned income tax. Those people are mostly small business owners filing as individuals, as all small businesses do in America. The whole entire "tax the rich" meme is left wing Marxist propaganda and Trump should be ashamed of himself for getting sucked in to repeating it like a fool.

7. Our poor roads and bridges.
Another gem from his speech at the convention was his mentioning of the sad shape of our roads and bridges. This was a line parroted by Clinton and Obama in the 2008 campaign and considered a championed cause of the left. You see, somehow our nation has survived 250 years without proper roads and bridges being built by the federal government. It's true! I'm not sure how we've managed but somehow we have. I guess people have had to use machetes to cut paths to work and maybe swim across some creeks? But now, we suddenly have this wonderful man who is going to take care of that problem for us! Praise the Lord! But.... didn't we already give Obama a trillion dollars to build roads and bridges? And didn't he end up admitting there were no "shovel ready jobs" out there?

Now... I know many of you across America are tired of having to hack your way to work with the machete and swim across the creeks and rivers... but here in Alabama, we all get together in our cities and the capitol and agree to appropriate funds in order to build roads and bridges where we need them. Everyone pitches in and pays a little property tax or sales tax, and all is well. And while we do have our share of pot holes here and there, we have yet to lose anybody in one. When they get really bad, the states and cities have fleets of trucks that go out and patch the holes and life goes on. Just an idea, Mr. Trump.

8. Health care reform.
Trump shouts out that he is going to "repeal and replace Obamacare!" And the crowds go wild! Cheers go up to the rafters! What he doesn't say is what he actually wants to "replace" the ACA with. He has said in the past (like a few months ago) that he wants universal health care for every American and that he likes the individual mandate. So, in other words... he wants to replace Obamacare with the health care plan that even the Democrats couldn't get passed in Congress with their own liberal cabal... Single Payer. Now, of course, he is going to try and open this up to the private market and allow interstate portability, but with the federal government writing the checks to private corporations, what do you think will likely happen there? Is there maybe a chance there will be some collusion? Some crony corporatism and influence peddling? Naahhh... our politicians and federal bureaucrats and private sector opportunists aren't corruptible. What could possibly go wrong?

9. Defeating ISIS
Again... the crowds roar when he talks tough about wiping out radical Islamic terrorism. And I like that he is taking this on in such a bold and forceful way but he says some things that worry me. He has intimated that he thinks the way to defeat them is to "cut off their oil supply" and that is a fine strategy if we are up to the task. I'm not so sure that we are. This is going to mean US military boots on the ground to surround and control the oil wells in the Middle East. Lots of players are not going to like that. People will have to die. It's not going to be a picnic like he seems to think it will be. People like Putin in Russia are probably not going to be cool with us controlling all that oil they've been buying from the bad guys. What are we going to do when the flag-draped coffins start sailing into New York? He's a republican president, so you know the news will have the "daily body count" reported for the nation to ponder. Will Americans have the stomach for this policy or will he have to cave to political pressure?

It brings up another aspect regarding Trump... his personality. We've already seen many prime examples of how he reacts when people don't go along with his ideas. Well, this is an idea that a lot of people aren't going to go along with. He's good at criticizing Bush about Iraq but he doesn't seem to understand that he is essentially proposing the same sort of thing. US military intervention in a foreign country. Cowboy diplomacy... it's easy to talk the talk, but can he walk the walk?

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Okay... so there are my list of grievances with Trump policies in a nutshell. All are reason-based and rooted in my principled conservative convictions. I like some of his ideas... The wall, cracking down on illegal immigration, tougher vetting of immigrants from radicalized areas, opening up energy production capabilities... all very good and reasonable ideas that I can support. So it's not ALL bad... it's a mixed bag. On a scale of 1 to 10, Trump is a 5 where Hillary is probably a negative integer.

I would like to hear Trump talk more about reducing the size and scope of government. He said not one word in his speech about where he wants to cut the federal budget. He mentioned it, said it was out of control, but all I hear him talking about are things that will increase the budget by billions of dollars and there's not much he has said in terms of cuts other than "eliminate waste, fraud and abuse" which is boilerplate doublespeak. I mean, I don't recall waste, fraud or abuse being included on the lines of the federal budget, nor do I think congress appropriates such items when they approve budgets. There has been no talk of what he plans to do about Social Security and the clock is ticking on when it's going under. It's something we really need to know about and do something about very soon. But of course.. the LGBTQ issues... those are far more important these days, I guess? :dunno:
This is a really long rant.

Can you trim it down to a few sentences please?
 
The problem is, I don't believe Trump is any better of a choice. He may be worse. We may be jumping off the ship to escape Dracula into the waters with Jaws. We don't know how he is going to govern once elected, he may very well be more liberal than Hillary would ever have the balls to be. I know that sounds hard to believe but I think he has a lot of people fooled.
Ok this is a lot easier to read.

I agree with you that Trump is a RINO and Hillary is not that far off from him either way, his way or her way.

I also agree with you that Trump is a loose cannon.

In addition Trump has no experience at government whatsoever. Not even city council. Not even school board.

Add all those up and what you get is a clear picture that Trump is NOT a smart choice. He is not even a sane choice.

I think come November that most people on both sides of the aisle and in the middle will mostly all see it that way.
 
Ok this is a lot easier to read.

I agree with you that Trump is a RINO and Hillary is not that far off from him either way, his way or her way.

I also agree with you that Trump is a loose cannon.

In addition Trump has no experience at government whatsoever. Not even city council. Not even school board.

Add all those up and what you get is a clear picture that Trump is NOT a smart choice. He is not even a sane choice.

I think come November that most people on both sides of the aisle and in the middle will mostly all see it that way.

And if they do, they can't complain about the status quo or the same ole, same ole.

Hillary is as establishment left as the left gets. Trump (as you pointed out) is anti-politically correct and has no experience in the lower levels of government. Trump is not conservative. Trump is not liberal. Trump is not an Independent.

But what Trump does promise is action to control immigration, support for our police and military, an effort to end unfair trade, efforts to end terrorism within our borders, and nominations of conservative judges to the Supreme Court.

That's good enough for me. I don't need free college.
 
The problem is, I don't believe Trump is any better of a choice. He may be worse. We may be jumping off the ship to escape Dracula into the waters with Jaws. We don't know how he is going to govern once elected, he may very well be more liberal than Hillary would ever have the balls to be. I know that sounds hard to believe but I think he has a lot of people fooled.
Ok this is a lot easier to read.

I agree with you that Trump is a RINO and Hillary is not that far off from him either way, his way or her way.

I also agree with you that Trump is a loose cannon.

In addition Trump has no experience at government whatsoever. Not even city council. Not even school board.

Add all those up and what you get is a clear picture that Trump is NOT a smart choice. He is not even a sane choice.

I think come November that most people on both sides of the aisle and in the middle will mostly all see it that way.

LOL... What if we gave an election and nobody came?

I just think, before I give my vote to someone, I should have a better reason to do so than "well, at least he's not...."

You see, I think some people are getting caught up in the pomp and pageantry here. We don't elect a personality to go to Washington and make our decisions for us. We are supposed to elect candidates who represent our viewpoints. We make our own decisions and they represent us. We've gotten this turned around somehow with Trump.

I want to hear something besides... don't worry, I'm going to fix it, it's going to be great... I know what to do.. I would like to hear more specifics. And I don't want to keep hearing big government, central authority, top-down intervention, liberal memes or things contradictory to my conservative views.

So far, all I keep hearing is his little bulldog brigade out there trashing Ted Cruz for another day. I've got news for you morons, the Republican party either includes people like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee or the Republican party doesn't exist anymore as a viable political party. It's really that simple.

Conservatives are about fed up with this crap and we're not going away or shutting up. We will continue to stand up for the values our nation was founded upon and we will grow stronger.
 
As I have stated in recent days, I am a devout constitutional conservative. I passionately defend my conservative principles and make no bones about it, whether they are popular in the moment or not. I don't care to be among the popular clique, it's just not fundamentally important to me as a person. I had rather stand for convicted principles any day. I realize this election doesn't offer the best of candidates and some might argue, it offers the worst of candidates in a very long time. In my lifetime, I've never experienced a presidential race where I've agonized more about who to vote for or not to vote for. I've heard all the arguments... I know all about the ramifications... I understand this is a crucial time in our nation's history and much hangs in the balance regarding our future as a nation. That simply makes this election even more agonizing to contemplate. There is really no good option.

Numerous Trump supporters have raked me over the coals for my lack of support for Trump. I'm okay with that, I don't come here to be liked or slapped on the back and embraced. I come here to speak my mind and engage in debate with people who want to hash out our differing and contrasting viewpoints in the arena of ideas. I'm not trying to change minds, just hoping to open some eyes and make people think. I don't generally follow news cycles, pundits or talk radio hosts. I will occasionally catch someone like Mark Levin on podcast, and I enjoy watching various debates on YouTube on subjects of interest. I tell you all this as a precursor so you know where I stand. As a conservative, I don't really feel I have a dog in this hunt with regard to the presidency. I think Hillary and Trump are both bad news for Conservatism. But here are my major problems with Trump, for those on the right who think my views are just "sour grapes" because my guy (Cruz) didn't win. It's not about hurt feelings or personalities... it's purely core constitutional conservative values.

1. Trade Policy.
I am all for having good trade deals. I believe our nation is stronger when we have trade alliances with other countries and those arrangements should be beneficial to both parties. Trump has repeatedly called for slapping tariffs on other countries to accomplish various things... pay for the wall, in the case of Mexico... compensate for devaluing currency, in the case of China... even to punish outsourcing by American companies.

Tariffs can be tricky and complicated. It's easy to armchair quarterback and say you'll just apply a tariff to solve this or that problem, but doing so might cause some undesirable and unintended consequences you didn't anticipate. You can trigger trade wars and suddenly, our economy is effected dramatically. This is precisely what happened with Herbert Hoover's trade policies which brought on the Great Depression. His application of tariffs sparked a tariff war against our agriculture products and farmers suffered. Entire seasons of crops sat in warehouses and rotted because of the counter-reaction from export nations, and the farmers of America took it in the shorts. Hoover never intended that to happen but it was the consequence of his actions.

We currently have over 12,000 tariffs in place. Trump has not specified what sort of tariffs he has in mind, it's all over the board... he has mentioned as much as a 45% tariff in some cases, and that is quite extreme. I can't imagine such a jolting tariff could be implemented without a consequence. And let's be clear, aside from the consequences, even if the tariff is accepted, it simply means the prices of import items goes up for the American consumer. So that's 'best case scenario' of this sort of trade policy. Trump supporters cheer loudly when he talks tough about slapping tariffs on people to get them to step in line, but the results almost always come at a price. These things have to be deliberated very carefully by people who know what they're doing.

2. Make America Safe Again.
Playing off his theme of making America great again, Trump also promises to make us safe again. Of course, this sounds wonderful to his followers and they cheer even louder, chanting back... "Make us Safe! Make us Safe!" He hasn't really laid out any specifics on how he intends to accomplish this, but wasn't the Patriot Act and TSA also supposed to make us safe again? I worry about platitudes like this without specificity because when the federal government promises your safety, you best cling to your freedom because that's what is in jeopardy. Don't get me wrong, I am all for safety, I just want more details of the specifics on this before I sign on. I mean, Smith & Wesson, Colt, Remington and Mossberg are doing a pretty damn fine job of keeping me safe.

3. LGBTQ Agenda.
Does anyone know, without Googling, what the 'Q' stands for? Trump mentioned it a few times in his acceptance speech and I honestly had to look it up to see what we're now supporting as Republicans. It stands for "questioning" ...I guess now if you are not sure what you are on any given day, that's perfectly okay... whatever? So now we have moved the party to the radical left on social issues. Forget about religious freedoms or attacking moral traditionalism, this is a new age and we've all got to get with the times. Jump on board the LGBTQwxyz train and go wild baby... get your freak on! So what's next? Are we going to start indoctrinating kids in kindergarten with this nonsense? Will it be forced on private schools, home schools and churches? Maybe we'll adopt some kind of Constitutional Amendment to ensure rights for every perverted sexual deviancy? Yeah, that will be nice... can't wait!

In his hour and a half marathon acceptance speech, Trump mentioned LGBTQ numerous times but became the first Republican presidential nominee since Roe v. Wade not to mention "right to life". Apparently, though in the platform, this is no longer a priority for the Republican party.

4. Ethanol subsidies.
Perhaps Trump was simply pandering for votes in Iowa, but he repeatedly made clear that he was in favor of federal ethanol subsidies and actually proposed an expansion to the program. As a fiscal conservative, this is the first thing that raised my eyebrows at Trump. It is the single biggest wasteful government handout we do. Designed to placate the Global Warming initiative, it pours billions of taxpayer dollars into a program that literally causes the destruction of automobile engines and does not conserve one ounce of energy. In fact, we would be better served from an energy standpoint if we simply burned the billions of dollars instead. It takes more energy from fossil fuels to produce the ethanol than the ethanol saves. Companies headed by crony corporatists are getting rich off the subsidies and Trump wants to make sure their gravy train continues... actually said he wants to do more of it. Folks, as conservatives, if we can't stand firm on cutting ethanol subsidies, there is literally no federal handout program we will ever be able to cut.

5. Federal land acquisitions.
Trump has said that he favors these. He thinks the feds do a great job with the land and he's all for it. This is where the federal government intercedes to take away land rightfully owned by the states. It could be land the states could use for resources such as water, coal, oil and natural gas. It could be lands used by the locals for fishing and hunting.. but that doesn't matter to Trump. Apparently, Federalism doesn't matter either. If the Feds want it, the Feds can take it. In the east, it's not that big of a deal but out west, some of the states are more than 50-60% state land. It's frightening to think he believes the Federal government should have this kind of power over the states.

6. Taxing the Rich.
Trump has said "We're going to tax the rich!" His original tax plan calls for cuts to the top marginal wage earners in America but he has since recanted and says that will be subject to negotiation and would probably change. Translation: I'm giving that up before negotiations even begin to the Democrats. So... since the top marginals are who pay the majority of the tax in America, his wonderful tax plan that everyone applauded including conservatives, is basically gutted so that we can adopt the liberal meme... tax the rich!

Someone should inform Mr. Trump that we don't tax wealth in America and the so-called "rich" don't actually pay much earned income tax because they no longer earn income. They do receive dividends and those are taxed at a lower rate, but that's not part of the top marginal earned income tax. Those people are mostly small business owners filing as individuals, as all small businesses do in America. The whole entire "tax the rich" meme is left wing Marxist propaganda and Trump should be ashamed of himself for getting sucked in to repeating it like a fool.

7. Our poor roads and bridges.
Another gem from his speech at the convention was his mentioning of the sad shape of our roads and bridges. This was a line parroted by Clinton and Obama in the 2008 campaign and considered a championed cause of the left. You see, somehow our nation has survived 250 years without proper roads and bridges being built by the federal government. It's true! I'm not sure how we've managed but somehow we have. I guess people have had to use machetes to cut paths to work and maybe swim across some creeks? But now, we suddenly have this wonderful man who is going to take care of that problem for us! Praise the Lord! But.... didn't we already give Obama a trillion dollars to build roads and bridges? And didn't he end up admitting there were no "shovel ready jobs" out there?

Now... I know many of you across America are tired of having to hack your way to work with the machete and swim across the creeks and rivers... but here in Alabama, we all get together in our cities and the capitol and agree to appropriate funds in order to build roads and bridges where we need them. Everyone pitches in and pays a little property tax or sales tax, and all is well. And while we do have our share of pot holes here and there, we have yet to lose anybody in one. When they get really bad, the states and cities have fleets of trucks that go out and patch the holes and life goes on. Just an idea, Mr. Trump.

8. Health care reform.
Trump shouts out that he is going to "repeal and replace Obamacare!" And the crowds go wild! Cheers go up to the rafters! What he doesn't say is what he actually wants to "replace" the ACA with. He has said in the past (like a few months ago) that he wants universal health care for every American and that he likes the individual mandate. So, in other words... he wants to replace Obamacare with the health care plan that even the Democrats couldn't get passed in Congress with their own liberal cabal... Single Payer. Now, of course, he is going to try and open this up to the private market and allow interstate portability, but with the federal government writing the checks to private corporations, what do you think will likely happen there? Is there maybe a chance there will be some collusion? Some crony corporatism and influence peddling? Naahhh... our politicians and federal bureaucrats and private sector opportunists aren't corruptible. What could possibly go wrong?

9. Defeating ISIS
Again... the crowds roar when he talks tough about wiping out radical Islamic terrorism. And I like that he is taking this on in such a bold and forceful way but he says some things that worry me. He has intimated that he thinks the way to defeat them is to "cut off their oil supply" and that is a fine strategy if we are up to the task. I'm not so sure that we are. This is going to mean US military boots on the ground to surround and control the oil wells in the Middle East. Lots of players are not going to like that. People will have to die. It's not going to be a picnic like he seems to think it will be. People like Putin in Russia are probably not going to be cool with us controlling all that oil they've been buying from the bad guys. What are we going to do when the flag-draped coffins start sailing into New York? He's a republican president, so you know the news will have the "daily body count" reported for the nation to ponder. Will Americans have the stomach for this policy or will he have to cave to political pressure?

It brings up another aspect regarding Trump... his personality. We've already seen many prime examples of how he reacts when people don't go along with his ideas. Well, this is an idea that a lot of people aren't going to go along with. He's good at criticizing Bush about Iraq but he doesn't seem to understand that he is essentially proposing the same sort of thing. US military intervention in a foreign country. Cowboy diplomacy... it's easy to talk the talk, but can he walk the walk?

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Okay... so there are my list of grievances with Trump policies in a nutshell. All are reason-based and rooted in my principled conservative convictions. I like some of his ideas... The wall, cracking down on illegal immigration, tougher vetting of immigrants from radicalized areas, opening up energy production capabilities... all very good and reasonable ideas that I can support. So it's not ALL bad... it's a mixed bag. On a scale of 1 to 10, Trump is a 5 where Hillary is probably a negative integer.

I would like to hear Trump talk more about reducing the size and scope of government. He said not one word in his speech about where he wants to cut the federal budget. He mentioned it, said it was out of control, but all I hear him talking about are things that will increase the budget by billions of dollars and there's not much he has said in terms of cuts other than "eliminate waste, fraud and abuse" which is boilerplate doublespeak. I mean, I don't recall waste, fraud or abuse being included on the lines of the federal budget, nor do I think congress appropriates such items when they approve budgets. There has been no talk of what he plans to do about Social Security and the clock is ticking on when it's going under. It's something we really need to know about and do something about very soon. But of course.. the LGBTQ issues... those are far more important these days, I guess? :dunno:

I didn't read your entire essay here, but you said that you are being racked over the coals for not supporting Trump. I am racking you over the coals for supporting Hellary.....big difference. At least follow other disgruntled conservatives and vote Johnson.

Right, waste your vote on someone with no chance to win and split the opposition to the hildabitch, ensuring her win. Does that really make sense to you if the point is to deny the hildabitch the win.

No, it doesn't make sense, but at the margin, I'd rather a vote for Johnson than one for Hellary. I agree with you in principle, a vote for a third party only serves to make the person casting the vote feel good. I do not want the pantsuit bulldyke in the whitehouse, and will even vote for a big orange clown to prevent it.

Like I've said a hundred times before, I'm a one issue voter this time around, I'll vote for a warm bag of dog shit to keep the hildabitch form nominating one person to the supreme court.
 
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I agree with you that Trump is a RINO and Hillary is not that far off from him either way, his way or her way.

I also agree with you that Trump is a loose cannon.

In addition Trump has no experience at government whatsoever. Not even city council. Not even school board.

Add all those up and what you get is a clear picture that Trump is NOT a smart choice. He is not even a sane choice.

I think come November that most people on both sides of the aisle and in the middle will mostly all see it that way.
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As I have stated in recent days, I am a devout constitutional conservative. I passionately defend my conservative principles and make no bones about it, whether they are popular in the moment or not. I don't care to be among the popular clique, it's just not fundamentally important to me as a person. I had rather stand for convicted principles any day. I realize this election doesn't offer the best of candidates and some might argue, it offers the worst of candidates in a very long time. In my lifetime, I've never experienced a presidential race where I've agonized more about who to vote for or not to vote for. I've heard all the arguments... I know all about the ramifications... I understand this is a crucial time in our nation's history and much hangs in the balance regarding our future as a nation. That simply makes this election even more agonizing to contemplate. There is really no good option.

Numerous Trump supporters have raked me over the coals for my lack of support for Trump. I'm okay with that, I don't come here to be liked or slapped on the back and embraced. I come here to speak my mind and engage in debate with people who want to hash out our differing and contrasting viewpoints in the arena of ideas. I'm not trying to change minds, just hoping to open some eyes and make people think. I don't generally follow news cycles, pundits or talk radio hosts. I will occasionally catch someone like Mark Levin on podcast, and I enjoy watching various debates on YouTube on subjects of interest. I tell you all this as a precursor so you know where I stand. As a conservative, I don't really feel I have a dog in this hunt with regard to the presidency. I think Hillary and Trump are both bad news for Conservatism. But here are my major problems with Trump, for those on the right who think my views are just "sour grapes" because my guy (Cruz) didn't win. It's not about hurt feelings or personalities... it's purely core constitutional conservative values.

1. Trade Policy.
I am all for having good trade deals. I believe our nation is stronger when we have trade alliances with other countries and those arrangements should be beneficial to both parties. Trump has repeatedly called for slapping tariffs on other countries to accomplish various things... pay for the wall, in the case of Mexico... compensate for devaluing currency, in the case of China... even to punish outsourcing by American companies.

Tariffs can be tricky and complicated. It's easy to armchair quarterback and say you'll just apply a tariff to solve this or that problem, but doing so might cause some undesirable and unintended consequences you didn't anticipate. You can trigger trade wars and suddenly, our economy is effected dramatically. This is precisely what happened with Herbert Hoover's trade policies which brought on the Great Depression. His application of tariffs sparked a tariff war against our agriculture products and farmers suffered. Entire seasons of crops sat in warehouses and rotted because of the counter-reaction from export nations, and the farmers of America took it in the shorts. Hoover never intended that to happen but it was the consequence of his actions.

We currently have over 12,000 tariffs in place. Trump has not specified what sort of tariffs he has in mind, it's all over the board... he has mentioned as much as a 45% tariff in some cases, and that is quite extreme. I can't imagine such a jolting tariff could be implemented without a consequence. And let's be clear, aside from the consequences, even if the tariff is accepted, it simply means the prices of import items goes up for the American consumer. So that's 'best case scenario' of this sort of trade policy. Trump supporters cheer loudly when he talks tough about slapping tariffs on people to get them to step in line, but the results almost always come at a price. These things have to be deliberated very carefully by people who know what they're doing.

2. Make America Safe Again.
Playing off his theme of making America great again, Trump also promises to make us safe again. Of course, this sounds wonderful to his followers and they cheer even louder, chanting back... "Make us Safe! Make us Safe!" He hasn't really laid out any specifics on how he intends to accomplish this, but wasn't the Patriot Act and TSA also supposed to make us safe again? I worry about platitudes like this without specificity because when the federal government promises your safety, you best cling to your freedom because that's what is in jeopardy. Don't get me wrong, I am all for safety, I just want more details of the specifics on this before I sign on. I mean, Smith & Wesson, Colt, Remington and Mossberg are doing a pretty damn fine job of keeping me safe.

3. LGBTQ Agenda.
Does anyone know, without Googling, what the 'Q' stands for? Trump mentioned it a few times in his acceptance speech and I honestly had to look it up to see what we're now supporting as Republicans. It stands for "questioning" ...I guess now if you are not sure what you are on any given day, that's perfectly okay... whatever? So now we have moved the party to the radical left on social issues. Forget about religious freedoms or attacking moral traditionalism, this is a new age and we've all got to get with the times. Jump on board the LGBTQwxyz train and go wild baby... get your freak on! So what's next? Are we going to start indoctrinating kids in kindergarten with this nonsense? Will it be forced on private schools, home schools and churches? Maybe we'll adopt some kind of Constitutional Amendment to ensure rights for every perverted sexual deviancy? Yeah, that will be nice... can't wait!

In his hour and a half marathon acceptance speech, Trump mentioned LGBTQ numerous times but became the first Republican presidential nominee since Roe v. Wade not to mention "right to life". Apparently, though in the platform, this is no longer a priority for the Republican party.

4. Ethanol subsidies.
Perhaps Trump was simply pandering for votes in Iowa, but he repeatedly made clear that he was in favor of federal ethanol subsidies and actually proposed an expansion to the program. As a fiscal conservative, this is the first thing that raised my eyebrows at Trump. It is the single biggest wasteful government handout we do. Designed to placate the Global Warming initiative, it pours billions of taxpayer dollars into a program that literally causes the destruction of automobile engines and does not conserve one ounce of energy. In fact, we would be better served from an energy standpoint if we simply burned the billions of dollars instead. It takes more energy from fossil fuels to produce the ethanol than the ethanol saves. Companies headed by crony corporatists are getting rich off the subsidies and Trump wants to make sure their gravy train continues... actually said he wants to do more of it. Folks, as conservatives, if we can't stand firm on cutting ethanol subsidies, there is literally no federal handout program we will ever be able to cut.

5. Federal land acquisitions.
Trump has said that he favors these. He thinks the feds do a great job with the land and he's all for it. This is where the federal government intercedes to take away land rightfully owned by the states. It could be land the states could use for resources such as water, coal, oil and natural gas. It could be lands used by the locals for fishing and hunting.. but that doesn't matter to Trump. Apparently, Federalism doesn't matter either. If the Feds want it, the Feds can take it. In the east, it's not that big of a deal but out west, some of the states are more than 50-60% state land. It's frightening to think he believes the Federal government should have this kind of power over the states.

6. Taxing the Rich.
Trump has said "We're going to tax the rich!" His original tax plan calls for cuts to the top marginal wage earners in America but he has since recanted and says that will be subject to negotiation and would probably change. Translation: I'm giving that up before negotiations even begin to the Democrats. So... since the top marginals are who pay the majority of the tax in America, his wonderful tax plan that everyone applauded including conservatives, is basically gutted so that we can adopt the liberal meme... tax the rich!

Someone should inform Mr. Trump that we don't tax wealth in America and the so-called "rich" don't actually pay much earned income tax because they no longer earn income. They do receive dividends and those are taxed at a lower rate, but that's not part of the top marginal earned income tax. Those people are mostly small business owners filing as individuals, as all small businesses do in America. The whole entire "tax the rich" meme is left wing Marxist propaganda and Trump should be ashamed of himself for getting sucked in to repeating it like a fool.

7. Our poor roads and bridges.
Another gem from his speech at the convention was his mentioning of the sad shape of our roads and bridges. This was a line parroted by Clinton and Obama in the 2008 campaign and considered a championed cause of the left. You see, somehow our nation has survived 250 years without proper roads and bridges being built by the federal government. It's true! I'm not sure how we've managed but somehow we have. I guess people have had to use machetes to cut paths to work and maybe swim across some creeks? But now, we suddenly have this wonderful man who is going to take care of that problem for us! Praise the Lord! But.... didn't we already give Obama a trillion dollars to build roads and bridges? And didn't he end up admitting there were no "shovel ready jobs" out there?

Now... I know many of you across America are tired of having to hack your way to work with the machete and swim across the creeks and rivers... but here in Alabama, we all get together in our cities and the capitol and agree to appropriate funds in order to build roads and bridges where we need them. Everyone pitches in and pays a little property tax or sales tax, and all is well. And while we do have our share of pot holes here and there, we have yet to lose anybody in one. When they get really bad, the states and cities have fleets of trucks that go out and patch the holes and life goes on. Just an idea, Mr. Trump.

8. Health care reform.
Trump shouts out that he is going to "repeal and replace Obamacare!" And the crowds go wild! Cheers go up to the rafters! What he doesn't say is what he actually wants to "replace" the ACA with. He has said in the past (like a few months ago) that he wants universal health care for every American and that he likes the individual mandate. So, in other words... he wants to replace Obamacare with the health care plan that even the Democrats couldn't get passed in Congress with their own liberal cabal... Single Payer. Now, of course, he is going to try and open this up to the private market and allow interstate portability, but with the federal government writing the checks to private corporations, what do you think will likely happen there? Is there maybe a chance there will be some collusion? Some crony corporatism and influence peddling? Naahhh... our politicians and federal bureaucrats and private sector opportunists aren't corruptible. What could possibly go wrong?

9. Defeating ISIS
Again... the crowds roar when he talks tough about wiping out radical Islamic terrorism. And I like that he is taking this on in such a bold and forceful way but he says some things that worry me. He has intimated that he thinks the way to defeat them is to "cut off their oil supply" and that is a fine strategy if we are up to the task. I'm not so sure that we are. This is going to mean US military boots on the ground to surround and control the oil wells in the Middle East. Lots of players are not going to like that. People will have to die. It's not going to be a picnic like he seems to think it will be. People like Putin in Russia are probably not going to be cool with us controlling all that oil they've been buying from the bad guys. What are we going to do when the flag-draped coffins start sailing into New York? He's a republican president, so you know the news will have the "daily body count" reported for the nation to ponder. Will Americans have the stomach for this policy or will he have to cave to political pressure?

It brings up another aspect regarding Trump... his personality. We've already seen many prime examples of how he reacts when people don't go along with his ideas. Well, this is an idea that a lot of people aren't going to go along with. He's good at criticizing Bush about Iraq but he doesn't seem to understand that he is essentially proposing the same sort of thing. US military intervention in a foreign country. Cowboy diplomacy... it's easy to talk the talk, but can he walk the walk?

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Okay... so there are my list of grievances with Trump policies in a nutshell. All are reason-based and rooted in my principled conservative convictions. I like some of his ideas... The wall, cracking down on illegal immigration, tougher vetting of immigrants from radicalized areas, opening up energy production capabilities... all very good and reasonable ideas that I can support. So it's not ALL bad... it's a mixed bag. On a scale of 1 to 10, Trump is a 5 where Hillary is probably a negative integer.

I would like to hear Trump talk more about reducing the size and scope of government. He said not one word in his speech about where he wants to cut the federal budget. He mentioned it, said it was out of control, but all I hear him talking about are things that will increase the budget by billions of dollars and there's not much he has said in terms of cuts other than "eliminate waste, fraud and abuse" which is boilerplate doublespeak. I mean, I don't recall waste, fraud or abuse being included on the lines of the federal budget, nor do I think congress appropriates such items when they approve budgets. There has been no talk of what he plans to do about Social Security and the clock is ticking on when it's going under. It's something we really need to know about and do something about very soon. But of course.. the LGBTQ issues... those are far more important these days, I guess? :dunno:


Good post, but I am a Cruz voter supporting Trump.

For the first issue, I think he will try and negotiate much better deals, by using tactics such as walking away. But I think he is gonna finally use our position to negotiate.

For example Mexico......who has the power, we do, so why do we have a 60 billion dollars trade deficit? No longer....tell em to Take our goods or we'll stop taking yours...Mexico can not afford this, so we'll get a good deal.
 
For example Mexico......who has the power, we do, so why do we have a 60 billion dollars trade deficit? No longer....tell em to Take our goods or we'll stop taking yours...Mexico can not afford this, so we'll get a good deal.

We have trade deficits because we use things more than we sell things to others. For instance, we buy a lot of oil from Mexico, should we stop taking that? And what if we don't have any goods they want?

What about raw materials from Mexico which provide for our production lines, should we stop taking that? We may need to have a trade deficit because we may need something they have? We can't make all trade even and why would we want to? We're a consumer nation, should we only trade with countries who consume as much as we do? That will seriously limit our trade partners.

I understand the rhetoric, but the reality is a different matter. We can say that Mexico needs to pay for the wall but Mexico is broke, they have less than we have. We can say they need to buy our stuff but they don't have any money. They can't match our trade dollars, they are a fraction of our size. Of course we're going to run a trade deficit with them.
 
Conservatives are about fed up with this crap and we're not going away or shutting up. We will continue to stand up for the values our nation was founded upon and we will grow stronger.
You remind me of "conservatives" from Saudi Arabia who also stand up to "values" their religion was founded upon.

Cultural conservatives. Authoritarian, with values not representing all born individuals.
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As I have stated in recent days, I am a devout constitutional conservative. I passionately defend my conservative principles and make no bones about it, whether they are popular in the moment or not. I don't care to be among the popular clique, it's just not fundamentally important to me as a person. I had rather stand for convicted principles any day. I realize this election doesn't offer the best of candidates and some might argue, it offers the worst of candidates in a very long time. In my lifetime, I've never experienced a presidential race where I've agonized more about who to vote for or not to vote for. I've heard all the arguments... I know all about the ramifications... I understand this is a crucial time in our nation's history and much hangs in the balance regarding our future as a nation. That simply makes this election even more agonizing to contemplate. There is really no good option.

Numerous Trump supporters have raked me over the coals for my lack of support for Trump. I'm okay with that, I don't come here to be liked or slapped on the back and embraced. I come here to speak my mind and engage in debate with people who want to hash out our differing and contrasting viewpoints in the arena of ideas. I'm not trying to change minds, just hoping to open some eyes and make people think. I don't generally follow news cycles, pundits or talk radio hosts. I will occasionally catch someone like Mark Levin on podcast, and I enjoy watching various debates on YouTube on subjects of interest. I tell you all this as a precursor so you know where I stand. As a conservative, I don't really feel I have a dog in this hunt with regard to the presidency. I think Hillary and Trump are both bad news for Conservatism. But here are my major problems with Trump, for those on the right who think my views are just "sour grapes" because my guy (Cruz) didn't win. It's not about hurt feelings or personalities... it's purely core constitutional conservative values.

1. Trade Policy.
I am all for having good trade deals. I believe our nation is stronger when we have trade alliances with other countries and those arrangements should be beneficial to both parties. Trump has repeatedly called for slapping tariffs on other countries to accomplish various things... pay for the wall, in the case of Mexico... compensate for devaluing currency, in the case of China... even to punish outsourcing by American companies.

Tariffs can be tricky and complicated. It's easy to armchair quarterback and say you'll just apply a tariff to solve this or that problem, but doing so might cause some undesirable and unintended consequences you didn't anticipate. You can trigger trade wars and suddenly, our economy is effected dramatically. This is precisely what happened with Herbert Hoover's trade policies which brought on the Great Depression. His application of tariffs sparked a tariff war against our agriculture products and farmers suffered. Entire seasons of crops sat in warehouses and rotted because of the counter-reaction from export nations, and the farmers of America took it in the shorts. Hoover never intended that to happen but it was the consequence of his actions.

We currently have over 12,000 tariffs in place. Trump has not specified what sort of tariffs he has in mind, it's all over the board... he has mentioned as much as a 45% tariff in some cases, and that is quite extreme. I can't imagine such a jolting tariff could be implemented without a consequence. And let's be clear, aside from the consequences, even if the tariff is accepted, it simply means the prices of import items goes up for the American consumer. So that's 'best case scenario' of this sort of trade policy. Trump supporters cheer loudly when he talks tough about slapping tariffs on people to get them to step in line, but the results almost always come at a price. These things have to be deliberated very carefully by people who know what they're doing.

2. Make America Safe Again.
Playing off his theme of making America great again, Trump also promises to make us safe again. Of course, this sounds wonderful to his followers and they cheer even louder, chanting back... "Make us Safe! Make us Safe!" He hasn't really laid out any specifics on how he intends to accomplish this, but wasn't the Patriot Act and TSA also supposed to make us safe again? I worry about platitudes like this without specificity because when the federal government promises your safety, you best cling to your freedom because that's what is in jeopardy. Don't get me wrong, I am all for safety, I just want more details of the specifics on this before I sign on. I mean, Smith & Wesson, Colt, Remington and Mossberg are doing a pretty damn fine job of keeping me safe.

3. LGBTQ Agenda.
Does anyone know, without Googling, what the 'Q' stands for? Trump mentioned it a few times in his acceptance speech and I honestly had to look it up to see what we're now supporting as Republicans. It stands for "questioning" ...I guess now if you are not sure what you are on any given day, that's perfectly okay... whatever? So now we have moved the party to the radical left on social issues. Forget about religious freedoms or attacking moral traditionalism, this is a new age and we've all got to get with the times. Jump on board the LGBTQwxyz train and go wild baby... get your freak on! So what's next? Are we going to start indoctrinating kids in kindergarten with this nonsense? Will it be forced on private schools, home schools and churches? Maybe we'll adopt some kind of Constitutional Amendment to ensure rights for every perverted sexual deviancy? Yeah, that will be nice... can't wait!

In his hour and a half marathon acceptance speech, Trump mentioned LGBTQ numerous times but became the first Republican presidential nominee since Roe v. Wade not to mention "right to life". Apparently, though in the platform, this is no longer a priority for the Republican party.

4. Ethanol subsidies.
Perhaps Trump was simply pandering for votes in Iowa, but he repeatedly made clear that he was in favor of federal ethanol subsidies and actually proposed an expansion to the program. As a fiscal conservative, this is the first thing that raised my eyebrows at Trump. It is the single biggest wasteful government handout we do. Designed to placate the Global Warming initiative, it pours billions of taxpayer dollars into a program that literally causes the destruction of automobile engines and does not conserve one ounce of energy. In fact, we would be better served from an energy standpoint if we simply burned the billions of dollars instead. It takes more energy from fossil fuels to produce the ethanol than the ethanol saves. Companies headed by crony corporatists are getting rich off the subsidies and Trump wants to make sure their gravy train continues... actually said he wants to do more of it. Folks, as conservatives, if we can't stand firm on cutting ethanol subsidies, there is literally no federal handout program we will ever be able to cut.

5. Federal land acquisitions.
Trump has said that he favors these. He thinks the feds do a great job with the land and he's all for it. This is where the federal government intercedes to take away land rightfully owned by the states. It could be land the states could use for resources such as water, coal, oil and natural gas. It could be lands used by the locals for fishing and hunting.. but that doesn't matter to Trump. Apparently, Federalism doesn't matter either. If the Feds want it, the Feds can take it. In the east, it's not that big of a deal but out west, some of the states are more than 50-60% state land. It's frightening to think he believes the Federal government should have this kind of power over the states.

6. Taxing the Rich.
Trump has said "We're going to tax the rich!" His original tax plan calls for cuts to the top marginal wage earners in America but he has since recanted and says that will be subject to negotiation and would probably change. Translation: I'm giving that up before negotiations even begin to the Democrats. So... since the top marginals are who pay the majority of the tax in America, his wonderful tax plan that everyone applauded including conservatives, is basically gutted so that we can adopt the liberal meme... tax the rich!

Someone should inform Mr. Trump that we don't tax wealth in America and the so-called "rich" don't actually pay much earned income tax because they no longer earn income. They do receive dividends and those are taxed at a lower rate, but that's not part of the top marginal earned income tax. Those people are mostly small business owners filing as individuals, as all small businesses do in America. The whole entire "tax the rich" meme is left wing Marxist propaganda and Trump should be ashamed of himself for getting sucked in to repeating it like a fool.

7. Our poor roads and bridges.
Another gem from his speech at the convention was his mentioning of the sad shape of our roads and bridges. This was a line parroted by Clinton and Obama in the 2008 campaign and considered a championed cause of the left. You see, somehow our nation has survived 250 years without proper roads and bridges being built by the federal government. It's true! I'm not sure how we've managed but somehow we have. I guess people have had to use machetes to cut paths to work and maybe swim across some creeks? But now, we suddenly have this wonderful man who is going to take care of that problem for us! Praise the Lord! But.... didn't we already give Obama a trillion dollars to build roads and bridges? And didn't he end up admitting there were no "shovel ready jobs" out there?

Now... I know many of you across America are tired of having to hack your way to work with the machete and swim across the creeks and rivers... but here in Alabama, we all get together in our cities and the capitol and agree to appropriate funds in order to build roads and bridges where we need them. Everyone pitches in and pays a little property tax or sales tax, and all is well. And while we do have our share of pot holes here and there, we have yet to lose anybody in one. When they get really bad, the states and cities have fleets of trucks that go out and patch the holes and life goes on. Just an idea, Mr. Trump.

8. Health care reform.
Trump shouts out that he is going to "repeal and replace Obamacare!" And the crowds go wild! Cheers go up to the rafters! What he doesn't say is what he actually wants to "replace" the ACA with. He has said in the past (like a few months ago) that he wants universal health care for every American and that he likes the individual mandate. So, in other words... he wants to replace Obamacare with the health care plan that even the Democrats couldn't get passed in Congress with their own liberal cabal... Single Payer. Now, of course, he is going to try and open this up to the private market and allow interstate portability, but with the federal government writing the checks to private corporations, what do you think will likely happen there? Is there maybe a chance there will be some collusion? Some crony corporatism and influence peddling? Naahhh... our politicians and federal bureaucrats and private sector opportunists aren't corruptible. What could possibly go wrong?

9. Defeating ISIS
Again... the crowds roar when he talks tough about wiping out radical Islamic terrorism. And I like that he is taking this on in such a bold and forceful way but he says some things that worry me. He has intimated that he thinks the way to defeat them is to "cut off their oil supply" and that is a fine strategy if we are up to the task. I'm not so sure that we are. This is going to mean US military boots on the ground to surround and control the oil wells in the Middle East. Lots of players are not going to like that. People will have to die. It's not going to be a picnic like he seems to think it will be. People like Putin in Russia are probably not going to be cool with us controlling all that oil they've been buying from the bad guys. What are we going to do when the flag-draped coffins start sailing into New York? He's a republican president, so you know the news will have the "daily body count" reported for the nation to ponder. Will Americans have the stomach for this policy or will he have to cave to political pressure?

It brings up another aspect regarding Trump... his personality. We've already seen many prime examples of how he reacts when people don't go along with his ideas. Well, this is an idea that a lot of people aren't going to go along with. He's good at criticizing Bush about Iraq but he doesn't seem to understand that he is essentially proposing the same sort of thing. US military intervention in a foreign country. Cowboy diplomacy... it's easy to talk the talk, but can he walk the walk?

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Okay... so there are my list of grievances with Trump policies in a nutshell. All are reason-based and rooted in my principled conservative convictions. I like some of his ideas... The wall, cracking down on illegal immigration, tougher vetting of immigrants from radicalized areas, opening up energy production capabilities... all very good and reasonable ideas that I can support. So it's not ALL bad... it's a mixed bag. On a scale of 1 to 10, Trump is a 5 where Hillary is probably a negative integer.

I would like to hear Trump talk more about reducing the size and scope of government. He said not one word in his speech about where he wants to cut the federal budget. He mentioned it, said it was out of control, but all I hear him talking about are things that will increase the budget by billions of dollars and there's not much he has said in terms of cuts other than "eliminate waste, fraud and abuse" which is boilerplate doublespeak. I mean, I don't recall waste, fraud or abuse being included on the lines of the federal budget, nor do I think congress appropriates such items when they approve budgets. There has been no talk of what he plans to do about Social Security and the clock is ticking on when it's going under. It's something we really need to know about and do something about very soon. But of course.. the LGBTQ issues... those are far more important these days, I guess? :dunno:

I didn't read your entire essay here, but you said that you are being racked over the coals for not supporting Trump. I am racking you over the coals for supporting Hellary.....big difference. At least follow other disgruntled conservatives and vote Johnson.

Right, waste your vote on someone with no chance to win and split the opposition to the hildabitch, ensuring her win. Does that really make sense to you if the point is to deny the hildabitch the win.

No, it doesn't make sense, but at the margin, I'd rather a vote for Johnson than one for Hellary. I agree with you in principle, a vote for a third party only serves to make the person casting the vote feel good. I do not want the pantsuit bulldyke in the whitehouse, and will even vote for a big orange clown to prevent it.

Like I've said a hundred times before, I'm a one issue voter this time around, I'll vote for a warm bag of dog shit to keep the hildabitch form nominating one person to the supreme court.

You're are spot on, and so would any other true conservative.
 
As I have stated in recent days, I am a devout constitutional conservative. I passionately defend my conservative principles and make no bones about it, whether they are popular in the moment or not. I don't care to be among the popular clique, it's just not fundamentally important to me as a person. I had rather stand for convicted principles any day. I realize this election doesn't offer the best of candidates and some might argue, it offers the worst of candidates in a very long time. In my lifetime, I've never experienced a presidential race where I've agonized more about who to vote for or not to vote for. I've heard all the arguments... I know all about the ramifications... I understand this is a crucial time in our nation's history and much hangs in the balance regarding our future as a nation. That simply makes this election even more agonizing to contemplate. There is really no good option.

Numerous Trump supporters have raked me over the coals for my lack of support for Trump. I'm okay with that, I don't come here to be liked or slapped on the back and embraced. I come here to speak my mind and engage in debate with people who want to hash out our differing and contrasting viewpoints in the arena of ideas. I'm not trying to change minds, just hoping to open some eyes and make people think. I don't generally follow news cycles, pundits or talk radio hosts. I will occasionally catch someone like Mark Levin on podcast, and I enjoy watching various debates on YouTube on subjects of interest. I tell you all this as a precursor so you know where I stand. As a conservative, I don't really feel I have a dog in this hunt with regard to the presidency. I think Hillary and Trump are both bad news for Conservatism. But here are my major problems with Trump, for those on the right who think my views are just "sour grapes" because my guy (Cruz) didn't win. It's not about hurt feelings or personalities... it's purely core constitutional conservative values.

1. Trade Policy.
I am all for having good trade deals. I believe our nation is stronger when we have trade alliances with other countries and those arrangements should be beneficial to both parties. Trump has repeatedly called for slapping tariffs on other countries to accomplish various things... pay for the wall, in the case of Mexico... compensate for devaluing currency, in the case of China... even to punish outsourcing by American companies.

Tariffs can be tricky and complicated. It's easy to armchair quarterback and say you'll just apply a tariff to solve this or that problem, but doing so might cause some undesirable and unintended consequences you didn't anticipate. You can trigger trade wars and suddenly, our economy is effected dramatically. This is precisely what happened with Herbert Hoover's trade policies which brought on the Great Depression. His application of tariffs sparked a tariff war against our agriculture products and farmers suffered. Entire seasons of crops sat in warehouses and rotted because of the counter-reaction from export nations, and the farmers of America took it in the shorts. Hoover never intended that to happen but it was the consequence of his actions.

We currently have over 12,000 tariffs in place. Trump has not specified what sort of tariffs he has in mind, it's all over the board... he has mentioned as much as a 45% tariff in some cases, and that is quite extreme. I can't imagine such a jolting tariff could be implemented without a consequence. And let's be clear, aside from the consequences, even if the tariff is accepted, it simply means the prices of import items goes up for the American consumer. So that's 'best case scenario' of this sort of trade policy. Trump supporters cheer loudly when he talks tough about slapping tariffs on people to get them to step in line, but the results almost always come at a price. These things have to be deliberated very carefully by people who know what they're doing.

2. Make America Safe Again.
Playing off his theme of making America great again, Trump also promises to make us safe again. Of course, this sounds wonderful to his followers and they cheer even louder, chanting back... "Make us Safe! Make us Safe!" He hasn't really laid out any specifics on how he intends to accomplish this, but wasn't the Patriot Act and TSA also supposed to make us safe again? I worry about platitudes like this without specificity because when the federal government promises your safety, you best cling to your freedom because that's what is in jeopardy. Don't get me wrong, I am all for safety, I just want more details of the specifics on this before I sign on. I mean, Smith & Wesson, Colt, Remington and Mossberg are doing a pretty damn fine job of keeping me safe.

3. LGBTQ Agenda.
Does anyone know, without Googling, what the 'Q' stands for? Trump mentioned it a few times in his acceptance speech and I honestly had to look it up to see what we're now supporting as Republicans. It stands for "questioning" ...I guess now if you are not sure what you are on any given day, that's perfectly okay... whatever? So now we have moved the party to the radical left on social issues. Forget about religious freedoms or attacking moral traditionalism, this is a new age and we've all got to get with the times. Jump on board the LGBTQwxyz train and go wild baby... get your freak on! So what's next? Are we going to start indoctrinating kids in kindergarten with this nonsense? Will it be forced on private schools, home schools and churches? Maybe we'll adopt some kind of Constitutional Amendment to ensure rights for every perverted sexual deviancy? Yeah, that will be nice... can't wait!

In his hour and a half marathon acceptance speech, Trump mentioned LGBTQ numerous times but became the first Republican presidential nominee since Roe v. Wade not to mention "right to life". Apparently, though in the platform, this is no longer a priority for the Republican party.

4. Ethanol subsidies.
Perhaps Trump was simply pandering for votes in Iowa, but he repeatedly made clear that he was in favor of federal ethanol subsidies and actually proposed an expansion to the program. As a fiscal conservative, this is the first thing that raised my eyebrows at Trump. It is the single biggest wasteful government handout we do. Designed to placate the Global Warming initiative, it pours billions of taxpayer dollars into a program that literally causes the destruction of automobile engines and does not conserve one ounce of energy. In fact, we would be better served from an energy standpoint if we simply burned the billions of dollars instead. It takes more energy from fossil fuels to produce the ethanol than the ethanol saves. Companies headed by crony corporatists are getting rich off the subsidies and Trump wants to make sure their gravy train continues... actually said he wants to do more of it. Folks, as conservatives, if we can't stand firm on cutting ethanol subsidies, there is literally no federal handout program we will ever be able to cut.

5. Federal land acquisitions.
Trump has said that he favors these. He thinks the feds do a great job with the land and he's all for it. This is where the federal government intercedes to take away land rightfully owned by the states. It could be land the states could use for resources such as water, coal, oil and natural gas. It could be lands used by the locals for fishing and hunting.. but that doesn't matter to Trump. Apparently, Federalism doesn't matter either. If the Feds want it, the Feds can take it. In the east, it's not that big of a deal but out west, some of the states are more than 50-60% state land. It's frightening to think he believes the Federal government should have this kind of power over the states.

6. Taxing the Rich.
Trump has said "We're going to tax the rich!" His original tax plan calls for cuts to the top marginal wage earners in America but he has since recanted and says that will be subject to negotiation and would probably change. Translation: I'm giving that up before negotiations even begin to the Democrats. So... since the top marginals are who pay the majority of the tax in America, his wonderful tax plan that everyone applauded including conservatives, is basically gutted so that we can adopt the liberal meme... tax the rich!

Someone should inform Mr. Trump that we don't tax wealth in America and the so-called "rich" don't actually pay much earned income tax because they no longer earn income. They do receive dividends and those are taxed at a lower rate, but that's not part of the top marginal earned income tax. Those people are mostly small business owners filing as individuals, as all small businesses do in America. The whole entire "tax the rich" meme is left wing Marxist propaganda and Trump should be ashamed of himself for getting sucked in to repeating it like a fool.

7. Our poor roads and bridges.
Another gem from his speech at the convention was his mentioning of the sad shape of our roads and bridges. This was a line parroted by Clinton and Obama in the 2008 campaign and considered a championed cause of the left. You see, somehow our nation has survived 250 years without proper roads and bridges being built by the federal government. It's true! I'm not sure how we've managed but somehow we have. I guess people have had to use machetes to cut paths to work and maybe swim across some creeks? But now, we suddenly have this wonderful man who is going to take care of that problem for us! Praise the Lord! But.... didn't we already give Obama a trillion dollars to build roads and bridges? And didn't he end up admitting there were no "shovel ready jobs" out there?

Now... I know many of you across America are tired of having to hack your way to work with the machete and swim across the creeks and rivers... but here in Alabama, we all get together in our cities and the capitol and agree to appropriate funds in order to build roads and bridges where we need them. Everyone pitches in and pays a little property tax or sales tax, and all is well. And while we do have our share of pot holes here and there, we have yet to lose anybody in one. When they get really bad, the states and cities have fleets of trucks that go out and patch the holes and life goes on. Just an idea, Mr. Trump.

8. Health care reform.
Trump shouts out that he is going to "repeal and replace Obamacare!" And the crowds go wild! Cheers go up to the rafters! What he doesn't say is what he actually wants to "replace" the ACA with. He has said in the past (like a few months ago) that he wants universal health care for every American and that he likes the individual mandate. So, in other words... he wants to replace Obamacare with the health care plan that even the Democrats couldn't get passed in Congress with their own liberal cabal... Single Payer. Now, of course, he is going to try and open this up to the private market and allow interstate portability, but with the federal government writing the checks to private corporations, what do you think will likely happen there? Is there maybe a chance there will be some collusion? Some crony corporatism and influence peddling? Naahhh... our politicians and federal bureaucrats and private sector opportunists aren't corruptible. What could possibly go wrong?

9. Defeating ISIS
Again... the crowds roar when he talks tough about wiping out radical Islamic terrorism. And I like that he is taking this on in such a bold and forceful way but he says some things that worry me. He has intimated that he thinks the way to defeat them is to "cut off their oil supply" and that is a fine strategy if we are up to the task. I'm not so sure that we are. This is going to mean US military boots on the ground to surround and control the oil wells in the Middle East. Lots of players are not going to like that. People will have to die. It's not going to be a picnic like he seems to think it will be. People like Putin in Russia are probably not going to be cool with us controlling all that oil they've been buying from the bad guys. What are we going to do when the flag-draped coffins start sailing into New York? He's a republican president, so you know the news will have the "daily body count" reported for the nation to ponder. Will Americans have the stomach for this policy or will he have to cave to political pressure?

It brings up another aspect regarding Trump... his personality. We've already seen many prime examples of how he reacts when people don't go along with his ideas. Well, this is an idea that a lot of people aren't going to go along with. He's good at criticizing Bush about Iraq but he doesn't seem to understand that he is essentially proposing the same sort of thing. US military intervention in a foreign country. Cowboy diplomacy... it's easy to talk the talk, but can he walk the walk?

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Okay... so there are my list of grievances with Trump policies in a nutshell. All are reason-based and rooted in my principled conservative convictions. I like some of his ideas... The wall, cracking down on illegal immigration, tougher vetting of immigrants from radicalized areas, opening up energy production capabilities... all very good and reasonable ideas that I can support. So it's not ALL bad... it's a mixed bag. On a scale of 1 to 10, Trump is a 5 where Hillary is probably a negative integer.

I would like to hear Trump talk more about reducing the size and scope of government. He said not one word in his speech about where he wants to cut the federal budget. He mentioned it, said it was out of control, but all I hear him talking about are things that will increase the budget by billions of dollars and there's not much he has said in terms of cuts other than "eliminate waste, fraud and abuse" which is boilerplate doublespeak. I mean, I don't recall waste, fraud or abuse being included on the lines of the federal budget, nor do I think congress appropriates such items when they approve budgets. There has been no talk of what he plans to do about Social Security and the clock is ticking on when it's going under. It's something we really need to know about and do something about very soon. But of course.. the LGBTQ issues... those are far more important these days, I guess? :dunno:


All good points. At the end of the day he is a big government Liberal and an obnoxious egotistical New Yorker to boot.

However, Crooked Hillary is corrupt, incompetent, very dishonest and owned by sleazy special interest groups. Probably the sleaziest candidate to ever run for President.

Trump has his flaws but he is a saint compared to Crooked Hillary.
 
As I have stated in recent days, I am a devout constitutional conservative. I passionately defend my conservative principles and make no bones about it, whether they are popular in the moment or not. I don't care to be among the popular clique, it's just not fundamentally important to me as a person. I had rather stand for convicted principles any day. I realize this election doesn't offer the best of candidates and some might argue, it offers the worst of candidates in a very long time. In my lifetime, I've never experienced a presidential race where I've agonized more about who to vote for or not to vote for. I've heard all the arguments... I know all about the ramifications... I understand this is a crucial time in our nation's history and much hangs in the balance regarding our future as a nation. That simply makes this election even more agonizing to contemplate. There is really no good option.

Numerous Trump supporters have raked me over the coals for my lack of support for Trump. I'm okay with that, I don't come here to be liked or slapped on the back and embraced. I come here to speak my mind and engage in debate with people who want to hash out our differing and contrasting viewpoints in the arena of ideas. I'm not trying to change minds, just hoping to open some eyes and make people think. I don't generally follow news cycles, pundits or talk radio hosts. I will occasionally catch someone like Mark Levin on podcast, and I enjoy watching various debates on YouTube on subjects of interest. I tell you all this as a precursor so you know where I stand. As a conservative, I don't really feel I have a dog in this hunt with regard to the presidency. I think Hillary and Trump are both bad news for Conservatism. But here are my major problems with Trump, for those on the right who think my views are just "sour grapes" because my guy (Cruz) didn't win. It's not about hurt feelings or personalities... it's purely core constitutional conservative values.

1. Trade Policy.
I am all for having good trade deals. I believe our nation is stronger when we have trade alliances with other countries and those arrangements should be beneficial to both parties. Trump has repeatedly called for slapping tariffs on other countries to accomplish various things... pay for the wall, in the case of Mexico... compensate for devaluing currency, in the case of China... even to punish outsourcing by American companies.

Tariffs can be tricky and complicated. It's easy to armchair quarterback and say you'll just apply a tariff to solve this or that problem, but doing so might cause some undesirable and unintended consequences you didn't anticipate. You can trigger trade wars and suddenly, our economy is effected dramatically. This is precisely what happened with Herbert Hoover's trade policies which brought on the Great Depression. His application of tariffs sparked a tariff war against our agriculture products and farmers suffered. Entire seasons of crops sat in warehouses and rotted because of the counter-reaction from export nations, and the farmers of America took it in the shorts. Hoover never intended that to happen but it was the consequence of his actions.

We currently have over 12,000 tariffs in place. Trump has not specified what sort of tariffs he has in mind, it's all over the board... he has mentioned as much as a 45% tariff in some cases, and that is quite extreme. I can't imagine such a jolting tariff could be implemented without a consequence. And let's be clear, aside from the consequences, even if the tariff is accepted, it simply means the prices of import items goes up for the American consumer. So that's 'best case scenario' of this sort of trade policy. Trump supporters cheer loudly when he talks tough about slapping tariffs on people to get them to step in line, but the results almost always come at a price. These things have to be deliberated very carefully by people who know what they're doing.

2. Make America Safe Again.
Playing off his theme of making America great again, Trump also promises to make us safe again. Of course, this sounds wonderful to his followers and they cheer even louder, chanting back... "Make us Safe! Make us Safe!" He hasn't really laid out any specifics on how he intends to accomplish this, but wasn't the Patriot Act and TSA also supposed to make us safe again? I worry about platitudes like this without specificity because when the federal government promises your safety, you best cling to your freedom because that's what is in jeopardy. Don't get me wrong, I am all for safety, I just want more details of the specifics on this before I sign on. I mean, Smith & Wesson, Colt, Remington and Mossberg are doing a pretty damn fine job of keeping me safe.

3. LGBTQ Agenda.
Does anyone know, without Googling, what the 'Q' stands for? Trump mentioned it a few times in his acceptance speech and I honestly had to look it up to see what we're now supporting as Republicans. It stands for "questioning" ...I guess now if you are not sure what you are on any given day, that's perfectly okay... whatever? So now we have moved the party to the radical left on social issues. Forget about religious freedoms or attacking moral traditionalism, this is a new age and we've all got to get with the times. Jump on board the LGBTQwxyz train and go wild baby... get your freak on! So what's next? Are we going to start indoctrinating kids in kindergarten with this nonsense? Will it be forced on private schools, home schools and churches? Maybe we'll adopt some kind of Constitutional Amendment to ensure rights for every perverted sexual deviancy? Yeah, that will be nice... can't wait!

In his hour and a half marathon acceptance speech, Trump mentioned LGBTQ numerous times but became the first Republican presidential nominee since Roe v. Wade not to mention "right to life". Apparently, though in the platform, this is no longer a priority for the Republican party.

4. Ethanol subsidies.
Perhaps Trump was simply pandering for votes in Iowa, but he repeatedly made clear that he was in favor of federal ethanol subsidies and actually proposed an expansion to the program. As a fiscal conservative, this is the first thing that raised my eyebrows at Trump. It is the single biggest wasteful government handout we do. Designed to placate the Global Warming initiative, it pours billions of taxpayer dollars into a program that literally causes the destruction of automobile engines and does not conserve one ounce of energy. In fact, we would be better served from an energy standpoint if we simply burned the billions of dollars instead. It takes more energy from fossil fuels to produce the ethanol than the ethanol saves. Companies headed by crony corporatists are getting rich off the subsidies and Trump wants to make sure their gravy train continues... actually said he wants to do more of it. Folks, as conservatives, if we can't stand firm on cutting ethanol subsidies, there is literally no federal handout program we will ever be able to cut.

5. Federal land acquisitions.
Trump has said that he favors these. He thinks the feds do a great job with the land and he's all for it. This is where the federal government intercedes to take away land rightfully owned by the states. It could be land the states could use for resources such as water, coal, oil and natural gas. It could be lands used by the locals for fishing and hunting.. but that doesn't matter to Trump. Apparently, Federalism doesn't matter either. If the Feds want it, the Feds can take it. In the east, it's not that big of a deal but out west, some of the states are more than 50-60% state land. It's frightening to think he believes the Federal government should have this kind of power over the states.

6. Taxing the Rich.
Trump has said "We're going to tax the rich!" His original tax plan calls for cuts to the top marginal wage earners in America but he has since recanted and says that will be subject to negotiation and would probably change. Translation: I'm giving that up before negotiations even begin to the Democrats. So... since the top marginals are who pay the majority of the tax in America, his wonderful tax plan that everyone applauded including conservatives, is basically gutted so that we can adopt the liberal meme... tax the rich!

Someone should inform Mr. Trump that we don't tax wealth in America and the so-called "rich" don't actually pay much earned income tax because they no longer earn income. They do receive dividends and those are taxed at a lower rate, but that's not part of the top marginal earned income tax. Those people are mostly small business owners filing as individuals, as all small businesses do in America. The whole entire "tax the rich" meme is left wing Marxist propaganda and Trump should be ashamed of himself for getting sucked in to repeating it like a fool.

7. Our poor roads and bridges.
Another gem from his speech at the convention was his mentioning of the sad shape of our roads and bridges. This was a line parroted by Clinton and Obama in the 2008 campaign and considered a championed cause of the left. You see, somehow our nation has survived 250 years without proper roads and bridges being built by the federal government. It's true! I'm not sure how we've managed but somehow we have. I guess people have had to use machetes to cut paths to work and maybe swim across some creeks? But now, we suddenly have this wonderful man who is going to take care of that problem for us! Praise the Lord! But.... didn't we already give Obama a trillion dollars to build roads and bridges? And didn't he end up admitting there were no "shovel ready jobs" out there?

Now... I know many of you across America are tired of having to hack your way to work with the machete and swim across the creeks and rivers... but here in Alabama, we all get together in our cities and the capitol and agree to appropriate funds in order to build roads and bridges where we need them. Everyone pitches in and pays a little property tax or sales tax, and all is well. And while we do have our share of pot holes here and there, we have yet to lose anybody in one. When they get really bad, the states and cities have fleets of trucks that go out and patch the holes and life goes on. Just an idea, Mr. Trump.

8. Health care reform.
Trump shouts out that he is going to "repeal and replace Obamacare!" And the crowds go wild! Cheers go up to the rafters! What he doesn't say is what he actually wants to "replace" the ACA with. He has said in the past (like a few months ago) that he wants universal health care for every American and that he likes the individual mandate. So, in other words... he wants to replace Obamacare with the health care plan that even the Democrats couldn't get passed in Congress with their own liberal cabal... Single Payer. Now, of course, he is going to try and open this up to the private market and allow interstate portability, but with the federal government writing the checks to private corporations, what do you think will likely happen there? Is there maybe a chance there will be some collusion? Some crony corporatism and influence peddling? Naahhh... our politicians and federal bureaucrats and private sector opportunists aren't corruptible. What could possibly go wrong?

9. Defeating ISIS
Again... the crowds roar when he talks tough about wiping out radical Islamic terrorism. And I like that he is taking this on in such a bold and forceful way but he says some things that worry me. He has intimated that he thinks the way to defeat them is to "cut off their oil supply" and that is a fine strategy if we are up to the task. I'm not so sure that we are. This is going to mean US military boots on the ground to surround and control the oil wells in the Middle East. Lots of players are not going to like that. People will have to die. It's not going to be a picnic like he seems to think it will be. People like Putin in Russia are probably not going to be cool with us controlling all that oil they've been buying from the bad guys. What are we going to do when the flag-draped coffins start sailing into New York? He's a republican president, so you know the news will have the "daily body count" reported for the nation to ponder. Will Americans have the stomach for this policy or will he have to cave to political pressure?

It brings up another aspect regarding Trump... his personality. We've already seen many prime examples of how he reacts when people don't go along with his ideas. Well, this is an idea that a lot of people aren't going to go along with. He's good at criticizing Bush about Iraq but he doesn't seem to understand that he is essentially proposing the same sort of thing. US military intervention in a foreign country. Cowboy diplomacy... it's easy to talk the talk, but can he walk the walk?

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Okay... so there are my list of grievances with Trump policies in a nutshell. All are reason-based and rooted in my principled conservative convictions. I like some of his ideas... The wall, cracking down on illegal immigration, tougher vetting of immigrants from radicalized areas, opening up energy production capabilities... all very good and reasonable ideas that I can support. So it's not ALL bad... it's a mixed bag. On a scale of 1 to 10, Trump is a 5 where Hillary is probably a negative integer.

I would like to hear Trump talk more about reducing the size and scope of government. He said not one word in his speech about where he wants to cut the federal budget. He mentioned it, said it was out of control, but all I hear him talking about are things that will increase the budget by billions of dollars and there's not much he has said in terms of cuts other than "eliminate waste, fraud and abuse" which is boilerplate doublespeak. I mean, I don't recall waste, fraud or abuse being included on the lines of the federal budget, nor do I think congress appropriates such items when they approve budgets. There has been no talk of what he plans to do about Social Security and the clock is ticking on when it's going under. It's something we really need to know about and do something about very soon. But of course.. the LGBTQ issues... those are far more important these days, I guess? :dunno:


All good points. At the end of the day he is a big government Liberal and an obnoxious egotistical New Yorker to boot.

However, Crooked Hillary is corrupt, incompetent, very dishonest and owned by sleazy special interest groups. Probably the sleaziest candidate to ever run for President.

Trump has his flaws but he is a saint compared to Crooked Hillary.

I'm not looking for or expecting a "flawless" candidate. I am looking for a candidate who respects and acknowledges my core conservative beliefs. If that's not Donald Trump, then so be it... I can't vote for him. He basically tells me that he doesn't need my vote or really even want my vote and that my vote doesn't really matter to him, he'll win without it. Okay then, win without it! Just don't whine about it if you lose... it wasn't MY fault you didn't want my vote.

Meanwhile, I am going to point out where his policy ideas differ greatly from core conservative principles. Because that's what we're supposed to do with political candidates, tell them what WE want. I realize Mr. Trump is new to this and he may have a problem with comprehending his role. He is supposed to listen to US... we're not electing him to make our decisions for us. We don't need for him to redefine conservatism because we're too stupid to do it ourselves.

So I am going to continue to speak out for what I believe in and if that ruffles Mr. Trump's feathers and causes him to act like a petulant little baby, he does so at his own peril. Same goes for his supporters. I'm going to be a thorn in your side whether Trump wins or loses. I'm not going away, I'm not backing down, I'm certainly not shutting up. You can ridicule, call me names, denigrate me, insult my intelligence, try to strong arm me, intimidate and threaten, scream all day long about how horrible Hillary Clinton would be, I'm still not changing.
 
As I have stated in recent days, I am a devout constitutional conservative. I passionately defend my conservative principles and make no bones about it, whether they are popular in the moment or not. I don't care to be among the popular clique, it's just not fundamentally important to me as a person. I had rather stand for convicted principles any day. I realize this election doesn't offer the best of candidates and some might argue, it offers the worst of candidates in a very long time. In my lifetime, I've never experienced a presidential race where I've agonized more about who to vote for or not to vote for. I've heard all the arguments... I know all about the ramifications... I understand this is a crucial time in our nation's history and much hangs in the balance regarding our future as a nation. That simply makes this election even more agonizing to contemplate. There is really no good option.

Numerous Trump supporters have raked me over the coals for my lack of support for Trump. I'm okay with that, I don't come here to be liked or slapped on the back and embraced. I come here to speak my mind and engage in debate with people who want to hash out our differing and contrasting viewpoints in the arena of ideas. I'm not trying to change minds, just hoping to open some eyes and make people think. I don't generally follow news cycles, pundits or talk radio hosts. I will occasionally catch someone like Mark Levin on podcast, and I enjoy watching various debates on YouTube on subjects of interest. I tell you all this as a precursor so you know where I stand. As a conservative, I don't really feel I have a dog in this hunt with regard to the presidency. I think Hillary and Trump are both bad news for Conservatism. But here are my major problems with Trump, for those on the right who think my views are just "sour grapes" because my guy (Cruz) didn't win. It's not about hurt feelings or personalities... it's purely core constitutional conservative values.

1. Trade Policy.
I am all for having good trade deals. I believe our nation is stronger when we have trade alliances with other countries and those arrangements should be beneficial to both parties. Trump has repeatedly called for slapping tariffs on other countries to accomplish various things... pay for the wall, in the case of Mexico... compensate for devaluing currency, in the case of China... even to punish outsourcing by American companies.

Tariffs can be tricky and complicated. It's easy to armchair quarterback and say you'll just apply a tariff to solve this or that problem, but doing so might cause some undesirable and unintended consequences you didn't anticipate. You can trigger trade wars and suddenly, our economy is effected dramatically. This is precisely what happened with Herbert Hoover's trade policies which brought on the Great Depression. His application of tariffs sparked a tariff war against our agriculture products and farmers suffered. Entire seasons of crops sat in warehouses and rotted because of the counter-reaction from export nations, and the farmers of America took it in the shorts. Hoover never intended that to happen but it was the consequence of his actions.

We currently have over 12,000 tariffs in place. Trump has not specified what sort of tariffs he has in mind, it's all over the board... he has mentioned as much as a 45% tariff in some cases, and that is quite extreme. I can't imagine such a jolting tariff could be implemented without a consequence. And let's be clear, aside from the consequences, even if the tariff is accepted, it simply means the prices of import items goes up for the American consumer. So that's 'best case scenario' of this sort of trade policy. Trump supporters cheer loudly when he talks tough about slapping tariffs on people to get them to step in line, but the results almost always come at a price. These things have to be deliberated very carefully by people who know what they're doing.

2. Make America Safe Again.
Playing off his theme of making America great again, Trump also promises to make us safe again. Of course, this sounds wonderful to his followers and they cheer even louder, chanting back... "Make us Safe! Make us Safe!" He hasn't really laid out any specifics on how he intends to accomplish this, but wasn't the Patriot Act and TSA also supposed to make us safe again? I worry about platitudes like this without specificity because when the federal government promises your safety, you best cling to your freedom because that's what is in jeopardy. Don't get me wrong, I am all for safety, I just want more details of the specifics on this before I sign on. I mean, Smith & Wesson, Colt, Remington and Mossberg are doing a pretty damn fine job of keeping me safe.

3. LGBTQ Agenda.
Does anyone know, without Googling, what the 'Q' stands for? Trump mentioned it a few times in his acceptance speech and I honestly had to look it up to see what we're now supporting as Republicans. It stands for "questioning" ...I guess now if you are not sure what you are on any given day, that's perfectly okay... whatever? So now we have moved the party to the radical left on social issues. Forget about religious freedoms or attacking moral traditionalism, this is a new age and we've all got to get with the times. Jump on board the LGBTQwxyz train and go wild baby... get your freak on! So what's next? Are we going to start indoctrinating kids in kindergarten with this nonsense? Will it be forced on private schools, home schools and churches? Maybe we'll adopt some kind of Constitutional Amendment to ensure rights for every perverted sexual deviancy? Yeah, that will be nice... can't wait!

In his hour and a half marathon acceptance speech, Trump mentioned LGBTQ numerous times but became the first Republican presidential nominee since Roe v. Wade not to mention "right to life". Apparently, though in the platform, this is no longer a priority for the Republican party.

4. Ethanol subsidies.
Perhaps Trump was simply pandering for votes in Iowa, but he repeatedly made clear that he was in favor of federal ethanol subsidies and actually proposed an expansion to the program. As a fiscal conservative, this is the first thing that raised my eyebrows at Trump. It is the single biggest wasteful government handout we do. Designed to placate the Global Warming initiative, it pours billions of taxpayer dollars into a program that literally causes the destruction of automobile engines and does not conserve one ounce of energy. In fact, we would be better served from an energy standpoint if we simply burned the billions of dollars instead. It takes more energy from fossil fuels to produce the ethanol than the ethanol saves. Companies headed by crony corporatists are getting rich off the subsidies and Trump wants to make sure their gravy train continues... actually said he wants to do more of it. Folks, as conservatives, if we can't stand firm on cutting ethanol subsidies, there is literally no federal handout program we will ever be able to cut.

5. Federal land acquisitions.
Trump has said that he favors these. He thinks the feds do a great job with the land and he's all for it. This is where the federal government intercedes to take away land rightfully owned by the states. It could be land the states could use for resources such as water, coal, oil and natural gas. It could be lands used by the locals for fishing and hunting.. but that doesn't matter to Trump. Apparently, Federalism doesn't matter either. If the Feds want it, the Feds can take it. In the east, it's not that big of a deal but out west, some of the states are more than 50-60% state land. It's frightening to think he believes the Federal government should have this kind of power over the states.

6. Taxing the Rich.
Trump has said "We're going to tax the rich!" His original tax plan calls for cuts to the top marginal wage earners in America but he has since recanted and says that will be subject to negotiation and would probably change. Translation: I'm giving that up before negotiations even begin to the Democrats. So... since the top marginals are who pay the majority of the tax in America, his wonderful tax plan that everyone applauded including conservatives, is basically gutted so that we can adopt the liberal meme... tax the rich!

Someone should inform Mr. Trump that we don't tax wealth in America and the so-called "rich" don't actually pay much earned income tax because they no longer earn income. They do receive dividends and those are taxed at a lower rate, but that's not part of the top marginal earned income tax. Those people are mostly small business owners filing as individuals, as all small businesses do in America. The whole entire "tax the rich" meme is left wing Marxist propaganda and Trump should be ashamed of himself for getting sucked in to repeating it like a fool.

7. Our poor roads and bridges.
Another gem from his speech at the convention was his mentioning of the sad shape of our roads and bridges. This was a line parroted by Clinton and Obama in the 2008 campaign and considered a championed cause of the left. You see, somehow our nation has survived 250 years without proper roads and bridges being built by the federal government. It's true! I'm not sure how we've managed but somehow we have. I guess people have had to use machetes to cut paths to work and maybe swim across some creeks? But now, we suddenly have this wonderful man who is going to take care of that problem for us! Praise the Lord! But.... didn't we already give Obama a trillion dollars to build roads and bridges? And didn't he end up admitting there were no "shovel ready jobs" out there?

Now... I know many of you across America are tired of having to hack your way to work with the machete and swim across the creeks and rivers... but here in Alabama, we all get together in our cities and the capitol and agree to appropriate funds in order to build roads and bridges where we need them. Everyone pitches in and pays a little property tax or sales tax, and all is well. And while we do have our share of pot holes here and there, we have yet to lose anybody in one. When they get really bad, the states and cities have fleets of trucks that go out and patch the holes and life goes on. Just an idea, Mr. Trump.

8. Health care reform.
Trump shouts out that he is going to "repeal and replace Obamacare!" And the crowds go wild! Cheers go up to the rafters! What he doesn't say is what he actually wants to "replace" the ACA with. He has said in the past (like a few months ago) that he wants universal health care for every American and that he likes the individual mandate. So, in other words... he wants to replace Obamacare with the health care plan that even the Democrats couldn't get passed in Congress with their own liberal cabal... Single Payer. Now, of course, he is going to try and open this up to the private market and allow interstate portability, but with the federal government writing the checks to private corporations, what do you think will likely happen there? Is there maybe a chance there will be some collusion? Some crony corporatism and influence peddling? Naahhh... our politicians and federal bureaucrats and private sector opportunists aren't corruptible. What could possibly go wrong?

9. Defeating ISIS
Again... the crowds roar when he talks tough about wiping out radical Islamic terrorism. And I like that he is taking this on in such a bold and forceful way but he says some things that worry me. He has intimated that he thinks the way to defeat them is to "cut off their oil supply" and that is a fine strategy if we are up to the task. I'm not so sure that we are. This is going to mean US military boots on the ground to surround and control the oil wells in the Middle East. Lots of players are not going to like that. People will have to die. It's not going to be a picnic like he seems to think it will be. People like Putin in Russia are probably not going to be cool with us controlling all that oil they've been buying from the bad guys. What are we going to do when the flag-draped coffins start sailing into New York? He's a republican president, so you know the news will have the "daily body count" reported for the nation to ponder. Will Americans have the stomach for this policy or will he have to cave to political pressure?

It brings up another aspect regarding Trump... his personality. We've already seen many prime examples of how he reacts when people don't go along with his ideas. Well, this is an idea that a lot of people aren't going to go along with. He's good at criticizing Bush about Iraq but he doesn't seem to understand that he is essentially proposing the same sort of thing. US military intervention in a foreign country. Cowboy diplomacy... it's easy to talk the talk, but can he walk the walk?

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Okay... so there are my list of grievances with Trump policies in a nutshell. All are reason-based and rooted in my principled conservative convictions. I like some of his ideas... The wall, cracking down on illegal immigration, tougher vetting of immigrants from radicalized areas, opening up energy production capabilities... all very good and reasonable ideas that I can support. So it's not ALL bad... it's a mixed bag. On a scale of 1 to 10, Trump is a 5 where Hillary is probably a negative integer.

I would like to hear Trump talk more about reducing the size and scope of government. He said not one word in his speech about where he wants to cut the federal budget. He mentioned it, said it was out of control, but all I hear him talking about are things that will increase the budget by billions of dollars and there's not much he has said in terms of cuts other than "eliminate waste, fraud and abuse" which is boilerplate doublespeak. I mean, I don't recall waste, fraud or abuse being included on the lines of the federal budget, nor do I think congress appropriates such items when they approve budgets. There has been no talk of what he plans to do about Social Security and the clock is ticking on when it's going under. It's something we really need to know about and do something about very soon. But of course.. the LGBTQ issues... those are far more important these days, I guess? :dunno:


I agree with most of what you posted.

There is only ONE legitimate reason to vote for Trump, he will put forth SCOTUS picks who uphold the Constitution. There is nothing else that I can point to as to why anyone should vote for him.

Unfortunately, that one reason is enough. Hillary means the end of the Constitution, and that is not a viable choice in my opinion. I think it will spark a civil war, which will create nothing but misery.
 
There is only ONE legitimate reason to vote for Trump, he will put forth SCOTUS picks who uphold the Constitution.

I'm not so sure about that, to be honest. Much will depend on what happens in the down ballot races. If Republicans maintain control of the House and Senate and maybe replace some RINOs with tea party conservatives, Hillary Clinton might have a problem getting ANY sort of liberal justice approved by congress. She might be forced to pick someone who is a moderate just to get a confirmation. Particularly if she is embattled by scandal and facing negative poll numbers and needs something to claim a victory on.

On the other hand, if Trump wins the election while throwing conservatism under the bus... well he can do anything he pleases because he will have gotten there without conservative support. And if the congress shifts and Democrats control the Senate, he could very well appoint a flaming liberal to the court and who's going to stop him?

So this "idea" that Trump automatically means conservative constitutionalists on the court is ludicrous. He doesn't even seem to want them in the party at this point. I think you better do some soul searching on this because it's even more the reason to hold him accountable to conservative principles.
 
I'm not so sure about that, to be honest. Much will depend on what happens in the down ballot races. If Republicans maintain control of the House and Senate and maybe replace some RINOs with tea party conservatives, Hillary Clinton might have a problem getting ANY sort of liberal justice approved by congress. She might be forced to pick someone who is a moderate just to get a confirmation. Particularly if she is embattled by scandal and facing negative poll numbers and needs something to claim a victory on.

On the other hand, if Trump wins the election while throwing conservatism under the bus... well he can do anything he pleases because he will have gotten there without conservative support. And if the congress shifts and Democrats control the Senate, he could very well appoint a flaming liberal to the court and who's going to stop him?

So this "idea" that Trump automatically means conservative constitutionalists on the court is ludicrous. He doesn't even seem to want them in the party at this point. I think you better do some soul searching on this because it's even more the reason to hold him accountable to conservative principles.

If the Republicans keep leadership of both houses, Trump will have no choice but to pick conservative judges.

Liberals love to use the MSM to make Republicans look bad. In fact, I'm willing to bet that Hillary is just dreaming of the Republicans holding up her liberal judges just so MSM can do exactly that. Like the government shutdown. Who got blamed for that? The Congress doesn't shut anything down, the Senate or President does. But that doesn't stop MSM from pushing the liberal lies that people believe.

I mean seriously. If somebody had a reliable crystal ball, and forced you to bet your restaurant on which President would pick the most liberal judges, would you really risk everything you worked for betting on Trump????
 
I'm not looking for or expecting a "flawless" candidate. I am looking for a candidate who respects and acknowledges my core conservative beliefs. If that's not Donald Trump, then so be it... I can't vote for him. He basically tells me that he doesn't need my vote or really even want my vote and that my vote doesn't really matter to him, he'll win without it. Okay then, win without it! Just don't whine about it if you lose... it wasn't MY fault you didn't want my vote.

When did Trump say he didn't want your vote???
 
I'm not so sure about that, to be honest. Much will depend on what happens in the down ballot races. If Republicans maintain control of the House and Senate and maybe replace some RINOs with tea party conservatives, Hillary Clinton might have a problem getting ANY sort of liberal justice approved by congress. She might be forced to pick someone who is a moderate just to get a confirmation. Particularly if she is embattled by scandal and facing negative poll numbers and needs something to claim a victory on.

On the other hand, if Trump wins the election while throwing conservatism under the bus... well he can do anything he pleases because he will have gotten there without conservative support. And if the congress shifts and Democrats control the Senate, he could very well appoint a flaming liberal to the court and who's going to stop him?

So this "idea" that Trump automatically means conservative constitutionalists on the court is ludicrous. He doesn't even seem to want them in the party at this point. I think you better do some soul searching on this because it's even more the reason to hold him accountable to conservative principles.

If the Republicans keep leadership of both houses, Trump will have no choice but to pick conservative judges.

Liberals love to use the MSM to make Republicans look bad. In fact, I'm willing to bet that Hillary is just dreaming of the Republicans holding up her liberal judges just so MSM can do exactly that. Like the government shutdown. Who got blamed for that? The Congress doesn't shut anything down, the Senate or President does. But that doesn't stop MSM from pushing the liberal lies that people believe.

I mean seriously. If somebody had a reliable crystal ball, and forced you to bet your restaurant on which President would pick the most liberal judges, would you really risk everything you worked for betting on Trump????

Not if republicans keep leadership by abandoning the conservatives. Trump can pick whatever he wants to pick and Congress can do whatever it wants to do. Republican leadership has repeatedly told us in their actions that they simply don't care what we want. They've gone along with the entire Obama agenda. They've surrendered the power of the purse by promising to not shut down the government. And now, with Trump's help, they've basically thrown Ted Cruz out of the party.

Like I said, much will depend on the makeup of the party. If we have a large tea party presence in the new congress, there is a good chance for a halfway decent judge if Trump picks but I also think judges can be tricky as hell.... look at Roberts. In NO scenario are we going to ever replace Scalia with a similar justice... that isn't going to happen unfortunately.

Granted, it appears Hillary might try to pack the court with libs, but again... depends on the makeup of Congress. If she also gets gifted the Senate, look the hell out. But IF conservatives show up and vote in the down ballot races, she can win and have a conservative republican congress to work with. They won't let some liberal yahoo take the most conservative seat on the bench.

The way I see it... I might prefer a Hillary win with a Conservative Congress than a Trump victory and conservatives left in the cold. I see one shit sandwich being as bad as the other and I'm not taking a bite. Trump and his supporters need to get off this petulant little whine fest because Cruz didn't endorse their candidate and get cracking on making the case to conservatives why we're supposed to vote for this guy.

You want to attack Ted Cruz? How about attacking some of his policies and principles which his conservative voters supported? Let's debate that instead of gossip from the National Enquirer. You want to "do what's best for the country"? Stop acting like little 1st graders with hurt feelings. Stop smearing the man, stop jeering his supporters, and start making your fucking case for why you're not just as repugnant as Hillary!
 

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