'My health insurance is going up to $800 a month with a $15k deductible and that's the CHEAPEST PLAN"

[Delldude]

No. It has been that way for about a century.

So has campaign bribery........

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So has campaign bribery........

As power has changed hands by party, why haven't the laws been changed?

 

[Delldude]

As power has changed hands by party, why haven't the laws been changed?

You sure they haven't?

 

[Orangecat]

That’s just wrong. Insurance isn’t wealth redistribution, it’s risk pooling. Everyone pays in to cover unpredictable, high-cost events. That’s how all insurance works: health, car, home, fire, flood.
If risk pooling is “Marxism,” then private insurers are Marxist institutions, which is obviously nonsense.

Redistribution is about transferring wealth based on income or class. Insurance is about spreading risk across a population so individuals aren’t financially ruined by bad luck.

You’re confusing an economic mechanism with a political slogan.

If you’re forced to have insurance, and then forced to have coverage for things you don’t want, it damn well is Marxist wealth redistribution. If people willingly want to participate, all good. If it’s riddled with government mandates, **** that.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You sure they haven't?

Are you sure they have?

 

[Delldude]

Are you sure they have?

Yes, many times.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes, many times.

What did they change?

 

[Delldude]

What did they change?

It's all related to ongoing changes in federal health care overages. Google is your friend.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It's all related to ongoing changes in federal health care overages. Google is your friend.

Don't care personally. How has that affected insurance company participation in the respective states?

I have VA healthcare now, with Medicare as a backup if they can't cover me when I travel. My wife has Medicare with a supplement. We're great!

 

[Delldude]

Don't care personally.

Then what's with the questions?

'Are we there yet'

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Then what's with the questions?

'Are we there yet'

You made a claim I felt was unfounded. That is all.

 

[forkup]

If you’re forced to have insurance, and then forced to have coverage for things you don’t want, it damn well is Marxist wealth redistribution. If people willingly want to participate, all good. If it’s riddled with government mandates, **** that.

Government mandated insurance exists for other risks and for the same reason it should exist for healthcare.

Because without it when the risk that it's supposed to cover does occur it's society (you) that ends up covering the cost.

That's not wealth distribution but a way for society to protect itself.

Without MANDATED car insurance. An uninsured driver who gets into an accident might not be able to cover the cost of the damage they cause to OTHER people.

Without health insurance society (you) might have to cover the emergency medical cost of another person. Or the cost of having to support another person who didn't receive required care because they couldn't afford it.

In effect you're arguing for wealth distribution with your refusal to mandate health insurance. Because insurance is a person paying money THEMSELVES to cover a risk. If you don't want to "redistribute" wealth, making sure everybody has insurance is the only possible practical solution.

 

[theHawk]

Comments...
1. Thanks, Obama, for absolutely nothing.
2. Health Insurance costs are out of control.
3. There is no solution, Democrat, Republican, or Trumpian
4. The only solution is the free market. The costs have gotten so out of control, and out of the realm of reality, that the suggestion here is to not buy the policy to begin with. This "insurance" doesn't guarantee health, or longevity. We are all going to die regardless.
5. Pay cash instead
6. Think outside the box. Fly to foreign countries for healthcare if needed.

The system has failed, the politicians have failed. We are responsible for ourselves at this stage.

Crazy….the “conspiracy theory” that Obamacare would skyrocket healthcare prices turned out to be true.


Yet the left still wants us to believe in their lies.

 

[Orangecat]

Because without it when the risk that it's supposed to cover does occur it's society (you) that ends up covering the cost.

Society isn’t obligated to pay for people who refuse to prepare for the possibility of needing medical care. Do you disagree with that premise? If so, why?

 

[Delldude]

Society isn’t obligated to pay for people who refuse to prepare for the possibility of needing medical care. Do you disagree with that premise? If so, why?

Obamascare's success was dependent on the youth signing up and 'paying their fair share' early on in life when they didn't have any health worries with the vision that they were paying it forward for their old age when they'd need it.

Youth didn't quite see it that way and Obama had to bail out the HC industry.

 

[forkup]

Society isn’t obligated to pay for people who refuse to prepare for the possibility of needing medical care. Do you disagree with that premise? If so, why?

I disagree with that premise, because a society built on it would be both cruel and self-defeating.
It would be a society where children die from minor, preventable illnesses because their parents are poor.

Where young adults,who would otherwise be productive,end up disabled and homeless because of bad luck.

Where elderly people who worked, paid taxes, and carried insurance their entire lives lose everything because their medical needs exceed what any policy realistically covers.

Were people die on the streets because medical professionals are trying to determine peoples economic status before providing care.

That’s not a thought experiment. Most of it is already happening in the US, and it would get exponentially worse under your rule.

No one can “prepare” for every possible
medical condition they’ll encounter over a lifetime. Pretending otherwise is fantasy.
Stupidity, bad luck, or poverty should not be a life sentence, economic or literal.

 

[Greenbeard]

We also need to take a harder look at Medicaid. Just as happens with food stamps, single women with four and five illegitimate children put them all on it - even when the fathers have full-time jobs that offer health insurance. The fathers figure “why should I put my kids on my plan when I can get responsible people to pay for them?”

I’m more sympathetic to Medicare. Unlike welfare recipients, these are elderly people who have comtributed yo the program for 50 years and now have no way of earning money.

People who squandered five decades of earning potential during the most prosperous era in American history: very sympathetic to the economic situation they put themselves in.

Literal hungry children: eat shit, leeches!

 

[Orangecat]

Obamascare's success was dependent on the youth signing up and 'paying their fair share' early on in life when they didn't have any health worries with the vision that they were paying it forward for their old age when they'd need it.

Youth didn't quite see it that way and Obama had to bail out the HC industry.

Reminiscent of a Ponzi scheme, when framed in that way.

 

[Delldude]

Reminiscent of a Ponzi scheme, when framed in that way.

The spread the wealth crowd counted on the youth. How naive they were.

 

[Orangecat]

I disagree with that premise, because a society built on it would be both cruel and self-defeating.

That’s not what society is built upon. It’s built upon liberty and personal responsibility for one’s own life choices. Do you find that cruel and self-defeating?