Zone1 my black ancestors sold slaves to white slavers but I blame the white slavers.

[AMart]

No but they did SELL all the black slaves to the ship owners.

They were selling them to Arabs for 700 years before any Euros got involved.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I always judge people directly based upon their own traits rather than the traits of those who might have looked like them in the distant past and were expressed towards somebody else entirely.

If more people judged according to content of character rather than color of skin, we would not be having this conversation.

 

[flack]

JGalt did you post on the old Topix thread?

 

[Pete7469]

Stockholders in business ventures which never would have happened, had it not been for North African Arab Muslims creating that market. Do you really think that a bunch of white people took a boat to Africa, and rounded up a bunch of dark people? No. It was primarily North African Arab Muslims whose penchant for slavery, who created the slave market. They had been doing that for centuries before they found that it could be profitable.

Portuguese shipping merchants helped out a lot as well. It wasn't a bunch of farmers in Georgia sailing across the Atlantic Ocean and rounding africans up to haul them back. It was euroweenie trading companies buying people that would have been simply killed because they were from a different tribe and instead sold for rum and steel tools.

The bottom line is that my pollack and slav ancestors had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

I just wish the fuckin southern farmers picked their own fuckin crops.

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[surada]

The first slave owner in the US was a black man.

That's a dumb lie. The first slaves came to New Amsterdam with sugar Jews who had fled Brazil because the Portuguese and Dutch lost out to the British.

 

[AMart]

Probably not. The Arabs didn't have mega plantations and couldn't feed slaves.

They took them as far North as Iraq, and yes the Arab slave trade was larger and went on for a much longer period of time.

 

[flack]

That's a dumb lie. The first slaves came to New Amsterdam with sugar Jews who had fled Brazil because the Portuguese and Dutch lost out to the British.

Anthony Johnson. Anthony Johnson was one of the first African Americans to have finished his services as an indentured servant and become a landowner on the Eastern Shore and slave-owner himself.

 

[Hellbilly]

Yup that's what we have in a nut shell from people that post about whites being solely responsible for slavery in America.

How were those slaves treated compared to how the slaves were treated by colonizers?

 

[surada]

Even today in Arab countries like Iraq. Blacks are called Abd, which means SLAVE.... what does that tell you about Arab society?

XXXXXX-edited-meister it means slave not black. Muslims are slaves to Allah... Like Abdallah.

 

[surada]

Anthony Johnson. Anthony Johnson was one of the first African Americans to have finished his services as an indentured servant and become a landowner on the Eastern Shore and slave-owner himself.

What year was that?

 

[Pete7469]

I'm guessing that we're now going to be seeing more and more of this kind of argument going forward.

Oh poor YOU...

Yeah, you might have to face reality bed wetter....

 

[EvMetro]

The most effective intellectually dishonest arguments contain incontestable facts mixed with intellectual myopia and lies of omission.

Just so we are being intellectually honest here, I have had MULTIPLE posts on this thread deleted and censored. This means that my arguments on this thread are secretly being omitted. Are you sure you want to talk about being intellectually honest here?

The thread premise is that Africans were selling their own people. Blacks were selling blacks. The history of black slaves in America originates with the blacks who sold them in the first place.

 

[Orangecat]

White slave owning racists said it, so it must be true.

Replace "must" with "may" and your statement is factual.

 

[flack]

What year was that?

This leads us to 1654. One of Johnson’s servants, John Casor who was brought over from Africa, claimed he was under a “seaven or eight yeares” contract and that he’d completed it. Thus, he asked Johnson for his freedom.

Johnson didn’t see things this way, and denied the request. Despite this, according to Casor, Johnson eventually agreed to allow him to leave, with pressure supposedly coming from Johnson’s family who felt that Casor should be free. Thus, Casor went to work for a man by the name of Robert Parker.

Either Johnson changed his mind or he never said Casor could go, because he soon filed a lawsuit against Parker claiming that Parker stole his servant, and that Casor was Johnson’s for life and was not an indentured servant.

Johnson ultimately won the case, and not only did he get his servant back, but Casor became Johnson’s slave for life as Johnson had said he was. This officially made Johnson the first legal slave owner in the British colonies that would eventually become the United States. (There were other slaves before this in the Americas, many actually, just not ones that were legal in the British colonies under common law).

 

[irosie91]

Africans didn't own any slave ships.

true but very insignificant in the history of slavery
in the world (also depends on how one defines
"slave ship" and "africans" )

 

[Pete7469]

They took them as far North as Iraq, and yes the Arab slave trade was larger and went on for a much longer period of time.

It exists to this day.



We should actually take advantage of this. We could sell every commie bed wetting piece of shit on this side of the planet by the pound in exchange for a drop of oil and come out way ahead.

 

[surada]

true but very insignificant in the history of slavery
in the world (also depends on how one defines
"slave ship" and "africans" )

The Dutch West Indies company had slave ships to Brazil. By 1626 or 1627 22 African slaves were taken to New Amsterdam from Brazil.

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[JGalt]

That's a dumb lie. The first slaves came to New Amsterdam with sugar Jews who had fled Brazil because the Portuguese and Dutch lost out to the British.

Snopes says this:

"The first legal slave owner in American history was a black tobacco farmer named Anthony Johnson."

Possibly true. The wording of the statement is important. Anthony Johnson was not the first slave owner in American history, but he was, according to historians, among the first to have his lifetime ownership of a servant legally sanctioned by a court.

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[AMart]

This leads us to 1654. One of Johnson’s servants, John Casor who was brought over from Africa, claimed he was under a “seaven or eight yeares” contract and that he’d completed it. Thus, he asked Johnson for his freedom.

Johnson didn’t see things this way, and denied the request. Despite this, according to Casor, Johnson eventually agreed to allow him to leave, with pressure supposedly coming from Johnson’s family who felt that Casor should be free. Thus, Casor went to work for a man by the name of Robert Parker.

Either Johnson changed his mind or he never said Casor could go, because he soon filed a lawsuit against Parker claiming that Parker stole his servant, and that Casor was Johnson’s for life and was not an indentured servant.

Johnson ultimately won the case, and not only did he get his servant back, but Casor became Johnson’s slave for life as Johnson had said he was. This officially made Johnson the first legal slave owner in the British colonies that would eventually become the United States. (There were other slaves before this in the Americas, many actually, just not ones that were legal in the British colonies under common law).

Early on servitude was common as opposed to slavery owning someone. Most White people came to the colonies as indentured servants.

 

[surada]

Snopes says this:

"The first legal slave owner in American history was a black tobacco farmer named Anthony Johnson."

Possibly true. The wording of the statement is important. Anthony Johnson was not the first slave owner in American history, but he was, according to historians, among the first to have his lifetime ownership of a servant legally sanctioned by a court.

FACT CHECK: 9 'Facts' About Slavery They Don't Want You to Know

Nope.
Snopes is wrong. The archives in Holland, the US and Brazil are very detailed. The first African slaves in the US arrived from Brazil to New Amsterdam in 1626-27. Before Johnson who was from Angola.

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