Zone1 My 4-year-old Daughter is sadly smarter than many on this forum

[Mr. Friscus]

You have to realize JoeB hates anything to do with religion, or normalcy, and is likely a nihilistic psychopath.

I've heard it coined "normaphobia"... it's on the left. They seem to attack all straight, white, male Christians. If you're not that.. you must be virtuous, somehow. It's weird.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

JoeB131

Funny, I went through puberty. I never thought I was a girl when I did.

I think that's the case with 99% of other people.

That said, I would agree, you would have to reach a pretty high standard before I'd sign off on Gender Affirming Care for a teen, but it would really depend on how severe the case was.

You sign off on it every time you pull the D lever.

 

[JoeB131]

Maybe you've heard?

There are reactions to every action, some good some bad.

Ya'll made your bed, now lay in it.

So it's okay to harass cisgendered women because you are panicked about transgender women peeing in a closed stall?

No, I just tell the truth. A kid who thinks he's a dinosaur isn't a dinosaur

No, but few kids still think they are dinosaurs after they are about 8 or so. But transgender kids still know they are in the wrong bodies well into puberty. Imagine that.

Because it's harmful to the children. It's like a severely depressed kid being encouraged to embrace increased depression, or an anorexic being told they should keep losing weight because they feel fat. You're F'ing them up even more than they already are, and you ought to be ashamed of it.

Your argument is logically flawed. Studies have shown that transgender people who get gender affirming care have better outcomes than people who don't.

That example is of course nothing like any sort of physical mutilation, hormonal/chemical castration, or psychological instability that your trans ideology causes.

1. Making eyes rounder doesn't stop eyes from working. However, chopping off genitals, stabbing wounds in crotches, and hormonal interference halts proper body function on purpose when there's nothing wrong. It's like cutting off your hand because you feel like it.

Transgender isn't an idealogy any more than gravity is. Something simply is. We've had transgender people all throughout history.

You fret about the few hundreds kids who get hormone treatments, but are fine with the millions who are doped up on SSRI's to make them more manageable.

 

[JoeB131]

I've heard it coined "normaphobia"... it's on the left. They seem to attack all straight, white, male Christians. If you're not that.. you must be virtuous, somehow. It's weird.

I am white, straight, male, and was Catholic for the first third of my life.

But what I realize is that....

Some people aren't white (including the lady I share my bed with.)
Some are female, transgender, intersex, asexual, and a variety of other things that don't fit into that mold.

And somehow, we all have to get along.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

cisgendered women

No such thing, it's just "women". You can make sh*t up but women are women.

No, but few kids still think they are dinosaurs after they are about 8 or so. But transgender kids still know they are in the wrong bodies well into puberty. Imagine that.

They "know"? How do they "know"? What do they have to compare it to? Nothing. They are just instructed/told by abusive parents or teachers, or grooming adults like yourself who prey on children to further your sick ideology. You're on the level of a dirty old man in a van offering kids candy to abduct and molest them.

Your argument is logically flawed. Studies have shown that transgender people who get gender affirming care have better outcomes than people who don't.

Name them. "Studies have shown" is BS because the methods and details need to be known. And.. you said "people", not children. You're trying to spread out the cheese, it's pathetic. I'm fine with adults messing up their bodies to their heart's content. Just don't physically and psychologically try to F up children. That's what you want to do. You want a tragic victim boy to chop his dick off because you want them to. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for being so inhumane.

Transgender isn't an idealogy any more than gravity is. Something simply is. We've had transgender people all throughout history.

We've had depressed and anorexic people throughout history. Congrats.

You fret about the few hundreds kids who get hormone treatments, but are fine with the millions who are doped up on SSRI's to make them more manageable.

You're losing it. No idea how that even minimally correlates

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I am white, straight, male, and was Catholic for the first third of my life.

But what I realize is that....

Some people aren't white (including the lady I share my bed with.)

You're free to your life experiences, no argument there.

Some are female, transgender, intersex, asexual, and a variety of other things that don't fit into that mold.

"transgender", "intersex", and "asexual" people aren't a 3rd sex, and they are incapable of changing their DNA. So, you're just plain incorrect no matter how hard you tantrum and flail.

 

[JoeB131]

No such thing, it's just "women". You can make sh*t up but women are women.

Sorry, those are the terms being used now. Deal with it.

They "know"? How do they "know"? What do they have to compare it to? Nothing. They are just instructed/told by abusive parents or teachers, or grooming adults like yourself who prey on children to further your sick ideology. You're on the level of a dirty old man in a van offering kids candy to abduct and molest them.

You are getting dangerously close to violating board rules here... you might want to watch yourself.

I don't encourage or discourage anyone to do anything, because, frankly, I know I'm not a qualified therapist. I'm also not a nuclear physicist, but I know power plants exist.

How do you explain all the transgender people who come from traditionally religious families?

Name them. "Studies have shown" is BS because the methods and details need to be known.

Here are three... Scientific studies which were peer-reviewed.

Access to gender-affirming care associated with lower suicide risk for transgender people

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu

Gender-affirming care can improve mental health outcomes in transgender youth

New research published in JAMA Network Open shows that gender-affirming hormones and puberty blockers have a beneficial impact on depression and suicide risk in transgender and nonbinary youth....

epi.washington.edu

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1054139X21005681

You're losing it. No idea how that even minimally correlates

You don't? Many people feel that SSRI's are overprescribed to youth, mostly because that is the path of least resistance for the adults in their lives.

Kind of the opposite of Gender Affirming Care, which very few are able to access.

"transgender", "intersex", and "asexual" people aren't a 3rd sex, and they are incapable of changing their DNA. So, you're just plain incorrect no matter how hard you tantrum and flail.

Works on the assumption that sexuality is limited to DNA.

 

[DukeU]

So it's okay to harass cisgendered women because you are panicked about transgender women peeing in a closed stall?

Please show me where I said that?

 

[JoeB131]

Please show me where I said that?

When you said,

Maybe you've heard?

There are reactions to every action, some good some bad.

Ya'll made your bed, now lay in it.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Except for the people who have gender dysphoria.

if you met this woman in a bar, you'd have no idea she was assigned male at birth.

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Doesn't make her less mentally ill

 

[JoeB131]

Doesn't make her less mentally ill

How is she mentally ill?

She is pretty successful in her life, by my estimate. She has had a lot of success as a healthcare administrator, model, and fashion designer.

 

[OODA_Loop]

How is she mentally ill?

She is pretty successful in her life, by my estimate. She has had a lot of success as a healthcare administrator, model, and fashion designer.

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-5-TR) is a comprehensive guide used by mental health professionals for diagnosing and classifying mental disorders. One of the conditions addressed in the DSM-5-TR is Gender Dysphoria Spectrum, which refers to a range of experiences related to gender identity.

 

[JoeB131]

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, Text Revision (DSM-5-TR) is a comprehensive guide used by mental health professionals for diagnosing and classifying mental disorders. One of the conditions addressed in the DSM-5-TR is Gender Dysphoria Spectrum, which refers to a range of experiences related to gender identity.

Um, so what?

Earlier versions listed homosexuality as a mental disorder, until they realized that "I think it's icky" and "God says it's bad" aren't really good qualifiers.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Um, so what?

Earlier versions listed homosexuality as a mental disorder, until they realized that "I think it's icky" and "God says it's bad" aren't really good qualifiers.

Not really it was a political move in place of sound medical rational.


"Nearly 50 years ago, LGBTQ+ activists achieved what was called the “greatest gay victory” of the time: successfully pushing members of the American Psychiatric Association (APA) to remove the diagnosis of homosexuality from the official classification of mental illnesses, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).......


........The campaign to remove the “homosexuality” diagnosis from the DSM began in earnest in the 1960s, backed by a growing civil rights, women’s rights, and gay rights movement across the country. Dubbed the “homophile” movement, gay and lesbian rights organizations in major cities like New York City, San Francisco, and Philadelphia started to pressure elected officials and launch public campaigns for LGBTQ+ visibility and rights. Gay liberation efforts were occurring on a number of fronts, and the APA declassification effort was one part of the movement for equality and acceptance."

How LGBTQ+ Activists Got “Homosexuality” out of the DSM - JSTOR Daily

The first DSM, created in 1952, established a hierarchy of sexual deviancies, vaulting heterosexual behavior to an idealized place in American culture.

daily.jstor.org

 

[JoeB131]

Not really it was a political move in place of sound medical rational.


"Nearly 50 years ago, LGBTQ+ activists achieved what was called the “greatest gay victory” of the time: successfully pushing members of the American Psychiatric Association (APA) to remove the diagnosis of homosexuality from the official classification of mental illnesses, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).......


........The campaign to remove the “homosexuality” diagnosis from the DSM began in earnest in the 1960s, backed by a growing civil rights, women’s rights, and gay rights movement across the country. Dubbed the “homophile” movement, gay and lesbian rights organizations in major cities like New York City, San Francisco, and Philadelphia started to pressure elected officials and launch public campaigns for LGBTQ+ visibility and rights. Gay liberation efforts were occurring on a number of fronts, and the APA declassification effort was one part of the movement for equality and acceptance."

Actually, given that homophobia's only rationale is "I think it's icky (when it's two dudes, I'm good with the Hot Lesbian porn)", there was no good reason to keep it in the DSM

Same with gender dysphoria. It's not about them, it's about you, and you need to get over yourself.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Actually, given that homophobia's only rationale is "I think it's icky (when it's two dudes, I'm good with the Hot Lesbian porn)", there was no good reason to keep it in the DSM

Same with gender dysphoria. It's not about them, it's about you, and you need to get over yourself.

Its about "me" when you promote your mental illness mainstream and make others accept it.

No one has to accept it. Accept it.

 

[JoeB131]

Its about "me" when you promote your mental illness mainstream and make others accept it.

No one has to accept it. Accept it.

I'm sure that the bigots thought the same thing when black people got to ride at the front of the bus.

 

[DukeU]

When you said,

Can't find it eh?

 

[OODA_Loop]

I'm sure that the bigots thought the same thing when black people got to ride at the front of the bus.

Black people are not a "mental disorder".

 

[DukeU]

I'm sure that the bigots thought the same thing when black people got to ride at the front of the bus.

Why is it ok to label someone a bigot, but not a ******?

What's the difference?