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Mussolini was a socialist fascist?

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But he made the trains run on time, according to people who would be disappeared if they criticized him.
 

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do you agree that he was a socialist fascist?
Fascism opposed class conflict and the egalitarian and international character of mainstream socialism, but sometimes sought to establish itself as an alternative "national socialism". It strongly opposed liberalism, communism, anarchism, and democratic socialism.
 

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People who argue that Communist / Socialist and Fascist are opposite ends of the political spectrum are arguing from a false premise.

The idea that Fascism and Communism are opposites dates back to before the Second World War where adherents of both philosophies used these labels as epithets against their political enemies. The labels stuck without any examination of the actual ideals of each.

Fascism is political system of an ultra-nationalist, authoritarian government that controls every aspect public and private life.

Communism is an authoritarian economic system where the state controls all aspects of public and private life.

In order to implement a Communist economic system, you frequently must implement a fascist political system.

Fascism can be applied to any economic system where state control is the ultimate goal. A state-run pseudo-Capitalist system (minus Capital market forces) or a state-run Communist system where all work for the state and what wealth their is is distributed to those deemed most able to ingratiate themselves with the state - both systems would function equally well under a Fascist political system.
 

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People who argue that Communist / Socialist and Fascist are opposite ends of the political spectrum are arguing from a false premise.

The idea that Fascism and Communism are opposites dates back to before the Second World War where adherents of both philosophies used these labels as epithets against their political enemies. The labels stuck without any examination of the actual ideals of each.

Fascism is political system of an ultra-nationalist, authoritarian government that controls every aspect public and private life.

Communism is an authoritarian economic system where the state controls all aspects of public and private life.

In order to implement a Communist economic system, you frequently must implement a fascist political system.

Fascism can be applied to any economic system where state control is the ultimate goal. A state-run pseudo-Capitalist system (minus Capital market forces) or a state-run Communist system where all work for the state and what wealth their is is distributed to those deemed most able to ingratiate themselves with the state - both systems would function equally well under a Fascist political system.
:beer: Both fascism and Communism are totalitarian and are thus leftist.
 

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:beer: Both fascism and Communism are totalitarian and are thus leftist.

Totalitarianism is a mechanism for wielding political power... it can be applied equally to the support of both left and right wing ideologies.

The only thing that Totalitarianism can't support is true Capitalism. Any political system that controls market forces stifles and adulterates Capitalism.
 

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Totalitarianism is a mechanism for wielding political power... it can be applied equally to the support of both left and right wing ideologies.

The only thing that Totalitarianism can't support is true Capitalism. Any political system that controls market forces stifles and adulterates Capitalism.
I partly agree.

Conservatism is right wing, but supports a minimum of government interference in individual lives.
 

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I partly agree.

Conservatism is right wing, but supports a minimum of government interference in individual lives.

What passes for right-wing in America (small government, local control) isn't the same as was passes for right wing in other places.

Right-wing conservatism has produced nearly as many political prisoners and death squads as left-wing socialism.

Both right and left wing philosophies see criticism of the state as a threat to their power and are known to use totalitarianism to eliminate it.



It doesn't matter if your political views tend towards the conservative of the liberal, the second you utter the phrase .."The government needs to do something about ________.",

you have become part of the problem.
 

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What passes for right-wing in America (small government, local control) isn't the same as was passes for right wing in other places.

Right-wing conservatism has produced nearly as many political prisoners and death squads as left-wing socialism.

Both right and left wing philosophies see criticism of the state as a threat to their power and are known to use totalitarianism to eliminate it.



It doesn't matter if your political views tend towards the conservative of the liberal, the second you utter the phrase .."The government needs to do something about ________.",

you have become part of the problem.
On that, we agree.
 

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Mussolini was Italy's leading socialist intellectual before he became a socialist fascist to resolve a split in the party over whether to enter the war.

Mussolini was abandoned by Lenin in Switzerland and became disillusioned. He set out to "fix" the flaws of socialism - the lack of incentive.

I know one of my cohorts misattributes this to Hitler, but the actual quote is "Why should I own the means of production, when I own the producers." - Benito Mussolini
 

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People who argue that Communist / Socialist and Fascist are opposite ends of the political spectrum are arguing from a false premise.

The idea that Fascism and Communism are opposites dates back to before the Second World War where adherents of both philosophies used these labels as epithets against their political enemies. The labels stuck without any examination of the actual ideals of each.

Fascism is political system of an ultra-nationalist, authoritarian government that controls every aspect public and private life.

Communism is an authoritarian economic system where the state controls all aspects of public and private life.

In order to implement a Communist economic system, you frequently must implement a fascist political system.

Fascism can be applied to any economic system where state control is the ultimate goal. A state-run pseudo-Capitalist system (minus Capital market forces) or a state-run Communist system where all work for the state and what wealth their is is distributed to those deemed most able to ingratiate themselves with the state - both systems would function equally well under a Fascist political system.
The economics end up the same: authoritarian central planning, which is completely insulated from and/or ignores market signals
 

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The economics end up the same: authoritarian central planning, which is completely insulated from and/or ignores market signals

And by design.

Mussolini vowed to fix socialism, and in many ways he did. Fascism was always socialism, was always meant to be socialism.
 

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