Muslim Savagery is not Islamic

[harmonica]

......out of a population of 600,000 in Boston --with only 1% ilsamic--it was the islamics that committed the terror bombing--against AMERICAN civilians--by islamic ''foreigners

 

[miketx]

Let's say I believe what you say (and I do) that barbaric things done in the name of Islam are not representative of Islam.

What is the solution? As long as people accept that making laws based on scripture is acceptable, you will have men who will twist scripture to support laws they want to see passed.

I would think the first step is to implement secular government that is in no way beholding to religious hierarchy.

A large part of the solution, absolutely the first step ---- is to condemn people making Association Fallacies like the post immediately after yours did.

Kiss all the muzzie ass you want. I hope you meet up with one and he don't care for your head.

 

[MarathonMike]

Ahmad what is your opinion of the Taliban?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

......out of a population of 600,000 in Boston --with only 1% ilsamic--it was the islamics that committed the terror bombing--against AMERICAN civilians--by islamic ''foreigners

Thats not a good point for your case. You, effectively, just reminded us that only 2 of 6000 bostonian muslims are terrorists.

 

[progressive hunter]

......out of a population of 600,000 in Boston --with only 1% ilsamic--it was the islamics that committed the terror bombing--against AMERICAN civilians--by islamic ''foreigners

Thats not a good point for your case. You, effectively, just reminded us that only 2 of 6000 bostonian muslims are terrorists.

no he didnt,,,

 

[fncceo]

There is not an Islamic law one could possibly have a problem with, normally.

As long as you believe that law based on scripture is infallible and beyond contest, you leave the door open for these guys.

You might say you're against savagery in the name of your religion, but you're advocating just that.

 

[Ahmad]

There is not an Islamic law one could possibly have a problem with, normally.

You might say you're against savagery in the name of your religion, but you're advocating just that.

You are not only mistaken, you are lying.

 

[Mike Dwight]

That time a Muslim woman thinks she's going to be group-raped runs home and some AK-47ers make sure no one comes by to challenge the mortar-base of the True testimony. culture.

 

[Ahmad]

Ahmad what is your opinion of the Taliban?

What does it matter ? Just as anyone else in the Muslim world. They are murderers, criminals, liars and savage individuals.

 

[Old Man Grumbles]

Islam founded freedom of religion? Please provide references, heck just one reference, to support that statement by you.

 

[Ahmad]

Muslim savagery, and not Islamic savagery. Islam is a religion, a holy religion and a noble religion, recognized as such by the whole world. The whole never agrees to something as being very noble, except it is indeed, of supreme nobility.

Many things go on in the Muslim world, that are quite evil, whether with the laws and constitutions, or with the people. This is also the case anywhere else in the non-Muslim world. So Islam is not at fault. It is the nature of the human being that causes these serious issues. For "man is a creature of haste", using great holy things to one's advantage is the most historical and typical sin of man.

The countries that use iniquitous Islamic laws are an absolute minority: Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Iran. I don't know of any other, yet there are 30, 40, 50 -who knows- Muslim countries. The countries that use real Islamic Laws are found nowhere, they are all secular countries. But even so, even if the Islamic Law, the Sharia, is not the official and unique law; these countries' constitutions and legislations are very much inspired by Islam. Hence homosexuality, and sometimes alcohol consumption, are considered crimes and offences, punishable by law (small jail times, fines, etc...). Separation of genders can be applicable in public places like courthouses. Polygamy (marrying up to 4 wives) is allowed. And on and on. But churches and synagogues are found in all of these countries, and they are protected just as any mosque. This is because freedom of religion is cultural distinction of Muslim societies, and a concept created by Islam. It is Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his Khalifs after him (his successors) who implemented Freedom of Religion. There were in the Muslim lands, churches and synagogues, and anyone could adhere to any religion he or her wished to. When the first generations of Muslims conquered Jerusalem, prayer time found the Khalif to be present in a church. Umar (may God be well pleased with him) was that Khalif. He refused to pray in the church, on the ground of the Islamic doctrines advocating the protection of all faiths.

The US constitution is itself inspired by Islam, just all these 30, 40, 50 Muslim countries. It crowns Freedom of Religion as its main pillar. That Freedom of Religion is a purely Muslim notion, not a Christian one, and even less a Jewish one.

Stoning homosexuals, killing those who leave Islam, and other vicious legislation elements are not of Islam; but of people using Islam to their own ends. Islam is not at fault, because this is the inherent nature of the human being and so it has been since the beginnings of time. So it will be until the ends of time. It does not make any difference whether it is the Muslim, the Christian, the Jew, the Buddhist, the Hindu, or the Atheist. It goes for all humans.

2000 churches desecrated in France in the past two years say different.

You did say "in France". Whatever is done in France, is as is well known, not representative of even 1% of the Muslim world.

 

[Ahmad]

Muslim savagery, and not Islamic savagery. Islam is a religion, a holy religion and a noble religion, recognized as such by the whole world. The whole never agrees to something as being very noble, except it is indeed, of supreme nobility.

Many things go on in the Muslim world, that are quite evil, whether with the laws and constitutions, or with the people. This is also the case anywhere else in the non-Muslim world. So Islam is not at fault. It is the nature of the human being that causes these serious issues. For "man is a creature of haste", using great holy things to one's advantage is the most historical and typical sin of man.

The countries that use iniquitous Islamic laws are an absolute minority: Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Iran. I don't know of any other, yet there are 30, 40, 50 -who knows- Muslim countries. The countries that use real Islamic Laws are found nowhere, they are all secular countries. But even so, even if the Islamic Law, the Sharia, is not the official and unique law; these countries' constitutions and legislations are very much inspired by Islam. Hence homosexuality, and sometimes alcohol consumption, are considered crimes and offences, punishable by law (small jail times, fines, etc...). Separation of genders can be applicable in public places like courthouses. Polygamy (marrying up to 4 wives) is allowed. And on and on. But churches and synagogues are found in all of these countries, and they are protected just as any mosque. This is because freedom of religion is cultural distinction of Muslim societies, and a concept created by Islam. It is Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his Khalifs after him (his successors) who implemented Freedom of Religion. There were in the Muslim lands, churches and synagogues, and anyone could adhere to any religion he or her wished to. When the first generations of Muslims conquered Jerusalem, prayer time found the Khalif to be present in a church. Umar (may God be well pleased with him) was that Khalif. He refused to pray in the church, on the ground of the Islamic doctrines advocating the protection of all faiths.

The US constitution is itself inspired by Islam, just all these 30, 40, 50 Muslim countries. It crowns Freedom of Religion as its main pillar. That Freedom of Religion is a purely Muslim notion, not a Christian one, and even less a Jewish one.

Stoning homosexuals, killing those who leave Islam, and other vicious legislation elements are not of Islam; but of people using Islam to their own ends. Islam is not at fault, because this is the inherent nature of the human being and so it has been since the beginnings of time. So it will be until the ends of time. It does not make any difference whether it is the Muslim, the Christian, the Jew, the Buddhist, the Hindu, or the Atheist. It goes for all humans.

AGAIN:

Stop wasting your time here. Make yourself useful and go tell the evil muslim death cultists that their behavior is not islamic.

Useful is that you use your mind a little. Would do you much good.

 

[fncceo]

There is not an Islamic law one could possibly have a problem with, normally.

You might say you're against savagery in the name of your religion, but you're advocating just that.

You are not only mistaken, you are lying.

You say that. I can see you're quite emotional about it.

Scripture (even Koranic scripture) is interpreted by men, (Imams, Priests, Rabbis, Ministers... etc). Men are, by definition, imperfect beings, motivated by many things apart from religious inspiration.

The barbaric acts of ISIS and others was done with the full approval of their own Imams who told those committing the acts that they are doing so in the name of G-d.

You might not agree with those interpretations, but if you say that Islamic Law is infallible, and Islamic Law is interpreted by fallible men, you run the risk of barbaric things being done in the name of G-d ... all perfectly legal and in accordance with scripture, according to the Imam.

 

[Ahmad]

Islam founded freedom of religion? Please provide references, heck just one reference, to support that statement by you.

Google Freedom of Religion. Check be it even Freedom of Religion in Wikipedia.

 

[Indeependent]

Let's say I believe what you say (and I do) that barbaric things done in the name of Islam are not representative of Islam.

What is the solution? As long as people accept that making laws based on scripture is acceptable, you will have men who will twist scripture to support laws they want to see passed.

I would think the first step is to implement secular government that is in no way beholding to religious hierarchy.

There are things that will go on until the ends of time. Just as the Italian mafia will never be eradicated. The best to do is what is being done in most cases: hold these groups accountable for their violence, before the competent authorities.

Italian mafias don’t strong-arm others based on religion.

 

[Indeependent]

Islamic Law in its pure essence and perfect implementation is a great thing.

I know that's what you believe ... what happens to those who live in an Islamic-run state who believe otherwise?

Laws of man can be discussed, debated, and changed to fit the realities of a society. The laws of scripture cannot.

When violating law goes from being a crime to being a sin, there is no avenue for appeal, there is no mechanism for law to evolve.

Religious law was always intended as a guideline for interactions between people's of the same faith. It cannot be used to govern a multicultural society.

Again, whatever Islam prohibits is because there lies in it great harm for mankind and/or other species. There is not an Islamic law one could possibly have a problem with, normally.

How about abnormally?

 

[shimon]

The problem as I see it is that while Muslims have full rights and freedoms in open societies like those found in the west the same cannot be said for non Muslims living in Islamic states..Muslims have freedom to do basically anything they wish esp when it comes to religious freedoms. unfortunately this is not the case for non Muslims in Islamic States this leads to a whole host of problems considering that there are different groups that interpret different regulations or laws in different ways... This can obviously lead to savagery towards people who do not follow Islamic rules... That is one of the reasons many Islamic countries become 100 percent Islamic as there really is no tolerance for anyone who does not follow the “ rules and regulations”..

 

[longknife]

I do not understand how anyone can believe this crock of excrement.

 

[Ahmad]

Islamic Law in its pure essence and perfect implementation is a great thing.

I know that's what you believe ... what happens to those who live in an Islamic-run state who believe otherwise?

Laws of man can be discussed, debated, and changed to fit the realities of a society. The laws of scripture cannot.

When violating law goes from being a crime to being a sin, there is no avenue for appeal, there is no mechanism for law to evolve.

Religious law was always intended as a guideline for interactions between people's of the same faith. It cannot be used to govern a multicultural society.

Again, whatever Islam prohibits is because there lies in it great harm for mankind and/or other species. There is not an Islamic law one could possibly have a problem with, normally.

How about abnormally?

Debate is about normal, not abnormal.

 

[justoffal]

the muslims/islamics commit terror attacks --this seems to be in their culture

You have let a minority decide for you, on what the majority stands for. Even yet, still, if it was the majority, it would still have nothing to do with Islam.

The words of the prophet are words of intolerance and murder. Perhaps Islam existed before Muhammad ever walked the Earth?

Jo