Muslim Savagery is not Islamic

Ahmad

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Muslim savagery, and not Islamic savagery. Islam is a religion, a holy religion and a noble religion, recognized as such by the whole world. The whole never agrees to something as being very noble, except it is indeed, of supreme nobility.

Many things go on in the Muslim world, that are quite evil, whether with the laws and constitutions, or with the people. This is also the case anywhere else in the non-Muslim world. So Islam is not at fault. It is the nature of the human being that causes these serious issues. For "man is a creature of haste", using great holy things to one's advantage is the most historical and typical sin of man.

The countries that use iniquitous Islamic laws are an absolute minority: Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Iran. I don't know of any other, yet there are 30, 40, 50 -who knows- Muslim countries. The countries that use real Islamic Laws are found nowhere, they are all secular countries. But even so, even if the Islamic Law, the Sharia, is not the official and unique law; these countries' constitutions and legislations are very much inspired by Islam. Hence homosexuality, and sometimes alcohol consumption, are considered crimes and offences, punishable by law (small jail times, fines, etc...). Separation of genders can be applicable in public places like courthouses. Polygamy (marrying up to 4 wives) is allowed. And on and on. But churches and synagogues are found in all of these countries, and they are protected just as any mosque. This is because freedom of religion is cultural distinction of Muslim societies, and a concept created by Islam. It is Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his Khalifs after him (his successors) who implemented Freedom of Religion. There were in the Muslim lands, churches and synagogues, and anyone could adhere to any religion he or her wished to. When the first generations of Muslims conquered Jerusalem, prayer time found the Khalif to be present in a church. Umar (may God be well pleased with him) was that Khalif. He refused to pray in the church, on the ground of the Islamic doctrines advocating the protection of all faiths.

The US constitution is itself inspired by Islam, just all these 30, 40, 50 Muslim countries. It crowns Freedom of Religion as its main pillar. That Freedom of Religion is a purely Muslim notion, not a Christian one, and even less a Jewish one.

Stoning homosexuals, killing those who leave Islam, and other vicious legislation elements are not of Islam; but of people using Islam to their own ends. Islam is not at fault, because this is the inherent nature of the human being and so it has been since the beginnings of time. So it will be until the ends of time. It does not make any difference whether it is the Muslim, the Christian, the Jew, the Buddhist, the Hindu, or the Atheist. It goes for all humans.
 
Let's say I believe what you say (and I do) that barbaric things done in the name of Islam are not representative of Islam.

What is the solution? As long as people accept that making laws based on scripture is acceptable, you will have men who will twist scripture to support laws they want to see passed.

I would think the first step is to implement secular government that is in no way beholding to religious hierarchy.
 
the muslims/islamics commit terror attacks --this seems to be in their culture
 
Let's say I believe what you say (and I do) that barbaric things done in the name of Islam are not representative of Islam.

What is the solution? As long as people accept that making laws based on scripture is acceptable, you will have men who will twist scripture to support laws they want to see passed.

I would think the first step is to implement secular government that is in no way beholding to religious hierarchy.

There are things that will go on until the ends of time. Just as the Italian mafia will never be eradicated. The best to do is what is being done in most cases: hold these groups accountable for their violence, before the competent authorities.
 
Let's say I believe what you say (and I do) that barbaric things done in the name of Islam are not representative of Islam.

What is the solution? As long as people accept that making laws based on scripture is acceptable, you will have men who will twist scripture to support laws they want to see passed.

I would think the first step is to implement secular government that is in no way beholding to religious hierarchy.

Islamic Law in its pure essence and perfect implementation is a great thing. Everything forbidden by Islam was forbidden because there lies in it great harm.
 
the muslims/islamics commit terror attacks --this seems to be in their culture

You have let a minority decide for you, on what the majority stands for. Even yet, still, if it was the majority, it would still have nothing to do with Islam.
 
well since the founder of islam was a war lord and committed some of the worst acts the world of religion has ever seen and that it also hasnt stopped since then I think its safe to say islam is a savage group with no morals as we know them,,,

I do wonder how many people have had their heads cut off in the name of islam???

or how many women have been abused???

or how many children have been raped???
 
Islamic Law in its pure essence and perfect implementation is a great thing.

I know that's what you believe ... what happens to those who live in an Islamic-run state who believe otherwise?

Laws of man can be discussed, debated, and changed to fit the realities of a society. The laws of scripture cannot.

When violating law goes from being a crime to being a sin, there is no avenue for appeal, there is no mechanism for law to evolve.

Religious law was always intended as a guideline for interactions between people's of the same faith. It cannot be used to govern a multicultural society.
 
the muslims/islamics commit terror attacks --this seems to be in their culture

You have let a minority decide for you, on what the majority stands for. Even yet, still, if it was the majority, it would still have nothing to do with Islam.
....what?
but in the Moscow terror attack, it was dozens--including females
also the Beslan School attack--many attackers
at Munich there were 8
etc etc
 
well since the founder of islam was a war lord and committed some of the worst acts the world of religion has ever seen and that it also hasnt stopped since then I think its safe to say islam is a savage group with no morals as we know them,,,

I do wonder how many people have had their heads cut off in the name of islam???

or how many women have been abused???

or how many children have been raped???

What are you talking about ? Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the most merciful of men. "We have not sent you except as a Mercy for the Worlds" (21:107). War is horrible. Muhammad (peace be upon him) was at war, unlike Jesus (peace be upon him) who had to endure persecution and exile without fighting. But Muhammad (peace be upon him) was given victory over his enemies. When he freed his uncle from shackles during a war, he asked that also all the other prisoners get freed of their shackes likewise, because of his sense of justice and mercy. He didn't just free his uncle, but all his enemies.

How many civilians the Americans kill every year with their bombings ? Did Jesus teach them this ? How many people die in two nuclear bombings over Japan within 3 days ? Did Jesus teach such bestiality ? So stop the lies.
 
well since the founder of islam was a war lord and committed some of the worst acts the world of religion has ever seen and that it also hasnt stopped since then I think its safe to say islam is a savage group with no morals as we know them,,,

I do wonder how many people have had their heads cut off in the name of islam???

or how many women have been abused???

or how many children have been raped???

What are you talking about ? Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the most merciful of men. "We have not sent you except as a Mercy for the Worlds" (21:107). War is horrible. Muhammad (peace be upon him) was at war, unlike Jesus (peace be upon him) who had to endure persecution and exile without fighting. But Muhammad (peace be upon him) was given victory over his enemies. When he freed his uncle from shackles during a war, he asked that also all the other prisoners get freed of their shackes likewise, because of his sense of justice and mercy. He didn't just free his uncle, but all his enemies.

How many civilians the Americans kill every year with their bombings ? Did Jesus teach them this ? How many people die in two nuclear bombings over Japan within 3 days ? Did Jesus teach such bestiality ? So stop the lies.
it's not the same at all
the US does not DIRECTLY target civilians like terrorists do
 
Islamic Law in its pure essence and perfect implementation is a great thing.

I know that's what you believe ... what happens to those who live in an Islamic-run state who believe otherwise?

Laws of man can be discussed, debated, and changed to fit the realities of a society. The laws of scripture cannot.

When violating law goes from being a crime to being a sin, there is no avenue for appeal, there is no mechanism for law to evolve.

Religious law was always intended as a guideline for interactions between people's of the same faith. It cannot be used to govern a multicultural society.

Again, whatever Islam prohibits is because there lies in it great harm for mankind and/or other species. There is not an Islamic law one could possibly have a problem with, normally.
 
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Muslim savagery, and not Islamic savagery. Islam is a religion, a holy religion and a noble religion, recognized as such by the whole world. The whole never agrees to something as being very noble, except it is indeed, of supreme nobility.

Many things go on in the Muslim world, that are quite evil, whether with the laws and constitutions, or with the people. This is also the case anywhere else in the non-Muslim world. So Islam is not at fault. It is the nature of the human being that causes these serious issues. For "man is a creature of haste", using great holy things to one's advantage is the most historical and typical sin of man.

The countries that use iniquitous Islamic laws are an absolute minority: Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Iran. I don't know of any other, yet there are 30, 40, 50 -who knows- Muslim countries. The countries that use real Islamic Laws are found nowhere, they are all secular countries. But even so, even if the Islamic Law, the Sharia, is not the official and unique law; these countries' constitutions and legislations are very much inspired by Islam. Hence homosexuality, and sometimes alcohol consumption, are considered crimes and offences, punishable by law (small jail times, fines, etc...). Separation of genders can be applicable in public places like courthouses. Polygamy (marrying up to 4 wives) is allowed. And on and on. But churches and synagogues are found in all of these countries, and they are protected just as any mosque. This is because freedom of religion is cultural distinction of Muslim societies, and a concept created by Islam. It is Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his Khalifs after him (his successors) who implemented Freedom of Religion. There were in the Muslim lands, churches and synagogues, and anyone could adhere to any religion he or her wished to. When the first generations of Muslims conquered Jerusalem, prayer time found the Khalif to be present in a church. Umar (may God be well pleased with him) was that Khalif. He refused to pray in the church, on the ground of the Islamic doctrines advocating the protection of all faiths.

The US constitution is itself inspired by Islam, just all these 30, 40, 50 Muslim countries. It crowns Freedom of Religion as its main pillar. That Freedom of Religion is a purely Muslim notion, not a Christian one, and even less a Jewish one.

Stoning homosexuals, killing those who leave Islam, and other vicious legislation elements are not of Islam; but of people using Islam to their own ends. Islam is not at fault, because this is the inherent nature of the human being and so it has been since the beginnings of time. So it will be until the ends of time. It does not make any difference whether it is the Muslim, the Christian, the Jew, the Buddhist, the Hindu, or the Atheist. It goes for all humans.
2000 churches desecrated in France in the past two years say different.
 
Muslim savagery, and not Islamic savagery. Islam is a religion, a holy religion and a noble religion, recognized as such by the whole world. The whole never agrees to something as being very noble, except it is indeed, of supreme nobility.

Many things go on in the Muslim world, that are quite evil, whether with the laws and constitutions, or with the people. This is also the case anywhere else in the non-Muslim world. So Islam is not at fault. It is the nature of the human being that causes these serious issues. For "man is a creature of haste", using great holy things to one's advantage is the most historical and typical sin of man.

The countries that use iniquitous Islamic laws are an absolute minority: Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Iran. I don't know of any other, yet there are 30, 40, 50 -who knows- Muslim countries. The countries that use real Islamic Laws are found nowhere, they are all secular countries. But even so, even if the Islamic Law, the Sharia, is not the official and unique law; these countries' constitutions and legislations are very much inspired by Islam. Hence homosexuality, and sometimes alcohol consumption, are considered crimes and offences, punishable by law (small jail times, fines, etc...). Separation of genders can be applicable in public places like courthouses. Polygamy (marrying up to 4 wives) is allowed. And on and on. But churches and synagogues are found in all of these countries, and they are protected just as any mosque. This is because freedom of religion is cultural distinction of Muslim societies, and a concept created by Islam. It is Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his Khalifs after him (his successors) who implemented Freedom of Religion. There were in the Muslim lands, churches and synagogues, and anyone could adhere to any religion he or her wished to. When the first generations of Muslims conquered Jerusalem, prayer time found the Khalif to be present in a church. Umar (may God be well pleased with him) was that Khalif. He refused to pray in the church, on the ground of the Islamic doctrines advocating the protection of all faiths.

The US constitution is itself inspired by Islam, just all these 30, 40, 50 Muslim countries. It crowns Freedom of Religion as its main pillar. That Freedom of Religion is a purely Muslim notion, not a Christian one, and even less a Jewish one.

Stoning homosexuals, killing those who leave Islam, and other vicious legislation elements are not of Islam; but of people using Islam to their own ends. Islam is not at fault, because this is the inherent nature of the human being and so it has been since the beginnings of time. So it will be until the ends of time. It does not make any difference whether it is the Muslim, the Christian, the Jew, the Buddhist, the Hindu, or the Atheist. It goes for all humans.
AGAIN:

Stop wasting your time here. Make yourself useful and go tell the evil muslim death cultists that their behavior is not islamic.
 
well since the founder of islam was a war lord and committed some of the worst acts the world of religion has ever seen and that it also hasnt stopped since then I think its safe to say islam is a savage group with no morals as we know them,,,

I do wonder how many people have had their heads cut off in the name of islam???

or how many women have been abused???

or how many children have been raped???

What are you talking about ? Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the most merciful of men. "We have not sent you except as a Mercy for the Worlds" (21:107). War is horrible. Muhammad (peace be upon him) was at war, unlike Jesus (peace be upon him) who had to endure persecution and exile without fighting. But Muhammad (peace be upon him) was given victory over his enemies. When he freed his uncle from shackles during a war, he asked that also all the other prisoners get freed of their shackes likewise, because of his sense of justice and mercy. He didn't just free his uncle, but all his enemies.

How many civilians the Americans kill every year with their bombings ? Did Jesus teach them this ? How many people die in two nuclear bombings over Japan within 3 days ? Did Jesus teach such bestiality ? So stop the lies.
sorry their record speaks for itself,,,and didnt he rape a 9 yr old girl???

and dont try using bad behavior to justify bad behavior,,,its very dishonest
 
Let's say I believe what you say (and I do) that barbaric things done in the name of Islam are not representative of Islam.

What is the solution? As long as people accept that making laws based on scripture is acceptable, you will have men who will twist scripture to support laws they want to see passed.

I would think the first step is to implement secular government that is in no way beholding to religious hierarchy.

A large part of the solution, absolutely the first step ---- is to condemn people making Association Fallacies like the post immediately after yours did.
 
well since the founder of islam was a war lord and committed some of the worst acts the world of religion has ever seen and that it also hasnt stopped since then I think its safe to say islam is a savage group with no morals as we know them,,,

I do wonder how many people have had their heads cut off in the name of islam???

or how many women have been abused???

or how many children have been raped???

What are you talking about ? Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the most merciful of men. "We have not sent you except as a Mercy for the Worlds" (21:107). War is horrible. Muhammad (peace be upon him) was at war, unlike Jesus (peace be upon him) who had to endure persecution and exile without fighting. But Muhammad (peace be upon him) was given victory over his enemies. When he freed his uncle from shackles during a war, he asked that also all the other prisoners get freed of their shackes likewise, because of his sense of justice and mercy. He didn't just free his uncle, but all his enemies.

How many civilians the Americans kill every year with their bombings ? Did Jesus teach them this ? How many people die in two nuclear bombings over Japan within 3 days ? Did Jesus teach such bestiality ? So stop the lies.
it's not the same at all
the US does not DIRECTLY target civilians like terrorists do

These bombings will always have casualties. Nuclear bombings cause unimagineable destruction. Did Jesus say to just not mind that ?
 
Muslim savagery, and not Islamic savagery. Islam is a religion, a holy religion and a noble religion, recognized as such by the whole world. The whole never agrees to something as being very noble, except it is indeed, of supreme nobility.

Many things go on in the Muslim world, that are quite evil, whether with the laws and constitutions, or with the people. This is also the case anywhere else in the non-Muslim world. So Islam is not at fault. It is the nature of the human being that causes these serious issues. For "man is a creature of haste", using great holy things to one's advantage is the most historical and typical sin of man.

The countries that use iniquitous Islamic laws are an absolute minority: Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Iran. I don't know of any other, yet there are 30, 40, 50 -who knows- Muslim countries. The countries that use real Islamic Laws are found nowhere, they are all secular countries. But even so, even if the Islamic Law, the Sharia, is not the official and unique law; these countries' constitutions and legislations are very much inspired by Islam. Hence homosexuality, and sometimes alcohol consumption, are considered crimes and offences, punishable by law (small jail times, fines, etc...). Separation of genders can be applicable in public places like courthouses. Polygamy (marrying up to 4 wives) is allowed. And on and on. But churches and synagogues are found in all of these countries, and they are protected just as any mosque. This is because freedom of religion is cultural distinction of Muslim societies, and a concept created by Islam. It is Muhammad (peace be upon him) and his Khalifs after him (his successors) who implemented Freedom of Religion. There were in the Muslim lands, churches and synagogues, and anyone could adhere to any religion he or her wished to. When the first generations of Muslims conquered Jerusalem, prayer time found the Khalif to be present in a church. Umar (may God be well pleased with him) was that Khalif. He refused to pray in the church, on the ground of the Islamic doctrines advocating the protection of all faiths.

The US constitution is itself inspired by Islam, just all these 30, 40, 50 Muslim countries. It crowns Freedom of Religion as its main pillar. That Freedom of Religion is a purely Muslim notion, not a Christian one, and even less a Jewish one.

Stoning homosexuals, killing those who leave Islam, and other vicious legislation elements are not of Islam; but of people using Islam to their own ends. Islam is not at fault, because this is the inherent nature of the human being and so it has been since the beginnings of time. So it will be until the ends of time. It does not make any difference whether it is the Muslim, the Christian, the Jew, the Buddhist, the Hindu, or the Atheist. It goes for all humans.


Whatever. Then the Crusades weren't waged by Christians either. :laughing0301:
 
well since the founder of islam was a war lord and committed some of the worst acts the world of religion has ever seen and that it also hasnt stopped since then I think its safe to say islam is a savage group with no morals as we know them,,,

I do wonder how many people have had their heads cut off in the name of islam???

or how many women have been abused???

or how many children have been raped???

What are you talking about ? Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the most merciful of men. "We have not sent you except as a Mercy for the Worlds" (21:107). War is horrible. Muhammad (peace be upon him) was at war, unlike Jesus (peace be upon him) who had to endure persecution and exile without fighting. But Muhammad (peace be upon him) was given victory over his enemies. When he freed his uncle from shackles during a war, he asked that also all the other prisoners get freed of their shackes likewise, because of his sense of justice and mercy. He didn't just free his uncle, but all his enemies.

How many civilians the Americans kill every year with their bombings ? Did Jesus teach them this ? How many people die in two nuclear bombings over Japan within 3 days ? Did Jesus teach such bestiality ? So stop the lies.
it's not the same at all
the US does not DIRECTLY target civilians like terrorists do

These bombings will always have casualties. Nuclear bombings cause unimagineable destruction. Did Jesus say to just not mind that ?
stop deflecting to jesus or the west,,,

history is very clear that islam is a bunch of savage animals,,,

you asked the question so dont get mad we tell you the truth,,,
 

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