MSM and Rightwing Media and Leftwing Media

[task0778]

When the majority of our accountable media is in the hands of FIVE...and the rest runs the gamut from good to crap, with no accountability, we are in a bit of trouble.

Freedom of the press means that all forms of media get a lot of latitude to say what they think. I do think there is some accountability, witness the WaPo had to pay out a lotta money to that kid in Kentucky I think it was. And the CNNs and FoxNewses of the world sometimes get sued too, so maybe there isn't enough accountability but maybe we should err on the side of freedom of speech sometimes. Even when we don't like what somebody is saying, cuz you can change the channel or find another website on the internet.


We actually should be very worried about this.

TBH, I'm not that worried about this, there are some other more pressing issues IMHO. As long as we're getting plenty of different opinions and stories and you always have somebody arguing against what somebody else said or wrote, I'm not too worried. Yes, journalism is too biased these days and I wrote an OP about that, and that is a problem. But journalism is also a business and those in charge make their decisions with that in mind. If they make poor decisions based on their political bias then they'll have to deal with the consequences and that is as it should be.

Now if it gets to the point where the top 5 also have most of the control over the internet and social media as well as cable tv and the newsprint, that'll get my attention.

 

[MarathonMike]

I don't believe limited corporate ownership of the 5 major news networks is the core problem with our so called "Media". It is the fact that all American Media has shifted from independent news reporting to partisan political support. That is bad enough, but the partisanship is over 90% slanted Democrat and specifically anti-Trump. No American President not even Nixon had to fight the constant attacks from what is supposed to be news organizations. And yes we should all be very worried about this.

I disagree about that. I can find sources that are 100% pro-Trump easily. No American president has CAUSED so many attacks through his own behavior. Media might not be perfect, but hell - we've never had a president behave like that.

I think the consolidation is dangerous though.

I thought we were talking about the major 'news' outlets. Of course you can find some pro-Trump sites on the web but TV Media is ubiquitous and the power they wield to shape opinion is enormous. Just this morning I saw another video designed to inflame hatred of police. It was a Black family being handcuffed. No context, no explanation. Why out of all of the MILLIONS of choices of what to put on the air, this 'news' show picked that one?

 

[Coyote]

This is a split from another thread...so as not to derail that thread, but makes for an interesting topic so I thought I would throw it into the ring.

There is no such thing as MSM anymore.


Or...to be more specific there is no such thing as MSM in the way that the rightwing wants to claim.

All media is equal today - from the crappiest blog propaganda sites to well researched journalistic sites. They are all equally accessable (but NOT equally accountable).

The average person gets his news now from where? How many news sources are available at the click of a mouse? The only thing MSM means now...is "traditional" in a media sea.

Our media problems extend far beyond Left/Right.

The majority of out "traditional media" is owned by 5 corporations. Fox is one of the Top Five. That is a very very few owning a lot of our sources for information. When you go outside the "traditional media"...you run into accountability problems. There is no accountability for facts, they can't be sued or held to account. Bloggers, independents - they aren't held to any standard. Traditional media is - because people pay for it and they get pissed. They can also sue.

When the majority of our accountable media is in the hands of FIVE...and the rest runs the gamut from good to crap, with no accountability, we are in a bit of trouble.

We actually should be very worried about this.

exactly what are the claims of the "rightwing" about the MSM???

That it controls most of the media and it is all leftwing.

right-wing doesn't control the media. people who want you emotional and giving them money do. you say this is a problem for us all then you go back to attacking the right and dismissing the left.

I didnt say the rw does. There ars hundreds of sources. Why dont you actually read what I write instead?

it is early and yes, perhaps at times i let past discussions paint over what you are saying with what i've seen you say in the past.

now if your claim is that the left wing doesn't own the media:

There IS a Left-Leaning Media Bias—So Where Do We Go From There? - Braver Angels

We need to make it acceptable again to see something, somewhere, that promulgates a worldview that’s different than ours, without immediately condemning it.

braverangels.org

28 on the left
8 of which i view as "mainstream" where most people just go for news, all "traditional" news sources are left biased.
4 of these, CNN, msnbc, nbc, abc are all "traditional" sources of news people trusted for decades.

17 on the right
only 1 of which is "traditional" news in FOX.

then we could get into "repeater" sites if you'd like. sites that take a story and simply repost it as their own and get their shark sucker fish revenue.

but on the surface, it's 28 to 17, 4 to 1 in favor of the left.

4 to 1 on traditional media to me would indicate they own traditional media and much of the older crowd.

please feel free to offer your own interpretation or list of how the major news sites lean.

I already said traditional media means nothing any more in terms of reach and readership.

This is a split from another thread...so as not to derail that thread, but makes for an interesting topic so I thought I would throw it into the ring.

There is no such thing as MSM anymore.


Or...to be more specific there is no such thing as MSM in the way that the rightwing wants to claim.

All media is equal today - from the crappiest blog propaganda sites to well researched journalistic sites. They are all equally accessable (but NOT equally accountable).

The average person gets his news now from where? How many news sources are available at the click of a mouse? The only thing MSM means now...is "traditional" in a media sea.

Our media problems extend far beyond Left/Right.

The majority of out "traditional media" is owned by 5 corporations. Fox is one of the Top Five. That is a very very few owning a lot of our sources for information. When you go outside the "traditional media"...you run into accountability problems. There is no accountability for facts, they can't be sued or held to account. Bloggers, independents - they aren't held to any standard. Traditional media is - because people pay for it and they get pissed. They can also sue.

When the majority of our accountable media is in the hands of FIVE...and the rest runs the gamut from good to crap, with no accountability, we are in a bit of trouble.

We actually should be very worried about this.

exactly what are the claims of the "rightwing" about the MSM???

That it controls most of the media and it is all leftwing.

right-wing doesn't control the media. people who want you emotional and giving them money do. you say this is a problem for us all then you go back to attacking the right and dismissing the left.

I didnt say the rw does. There ars hundreds of sources. Why dont you actually read what I write instead?

it is early and yes, perhaps at times i let past discussions paint over what you are saying with what i've seen you say in the past.

now if your claim is that the left wing doesn't own the media:

There IS a Left-Leaning Media Bias—So Where Do We Go From There? - Braver Angels

We need to make it acceptable again to see something, somewhere, that promulgates a worldview that’s different than ours, without immediately condemning it.

braverangels.org

28 on the left
8 of which i view as "mainstream" where most people just go for news, all "traditional" news sources are left biased.
4 of these, CNN, msnbc, nbc, abc are all "traditional" sources of news people trusted for decades.

17 on the right
only 1 of which is "traditional" news in FOX.

then we could get into "repeater" sites if you'd like. sites that take a story and simply repost it as their own and get their shark sucker fish revenue.

but on the surface, it's 28 to 17, 4 to 1 in favor of the left.

4 to 1 on traditional media to me would indicate they own traditional media and much of the older crowd.

please feel free to offer your own interpretation or list of how the major news sites lean.

This is a split from another thread...so as not to derail that thread, but makes for an interesting topic so I thought I would throw it into the ring.

There is no such thing as MSM anymore.


Or...to be more specific there is no such thing as MSM in the way that the rightwing wants to claim.

All media is equal today - from the crappiest blog propaganda sites to well researched journalistic sites. They are all equally accessable (but NOT equally accountable).

The average person gets his news now from where? How many news sources are available at the click of a mouse? The only thing MSM means now...is "traditional" in a media sea.

Our media problems extend far beyond Left/Right.

The majority of out "traditional media" is owned by 5 corporations. Fox is one of the Top Five. That is a very very few owning a lot of our sources for information. When you go outside the "traditional media"...you run into accountability problems. There is no accountability for facts, they can't be sued or held to account. Bloggers, independents - they aren't held to any standard. Traditional media is - because people pay for it and they get pissed. They can also sue.

When the majority of our accountable media is in the hands of FIVE...and the rest runs the gamut from good to crap, with no accountability, we are in a bit of trouble.

We actually should be very worried about this.

exactly what are the claims of the "rightwing" about the MSM???

That it controls most of the media and it is all leftwing.

right-wing doesn't control the media. people who want you emotional and giving them money do. you say this is a problem for us all then you go back to attacking the right and dismissing the left.

I didnt say the rw does. There ars hundreds of sources. Why dont you actually read what I write instead?

it is early and yes, perhaps at times i let past discussions paint over what you are saying with what i've seen you say in the past.

now if your claim is that the left wing doesn't own the media:

There IS a Left-Leaning Media Bias—So Where Do We Go From There? - Braver Angels

We need to make it acceptable again to see something, somewhere, that promulgates a worldview that’s different than ours, without immediately condemning it.

braverangels.org

28 on the left
8 of which i view as "mainstream" where most people just go for news, all "traditional" news sources are left biased.
4 of these, CNN, msnbc, nbc, abc are all "traditional" sources of news people trusted for decades.

17 on the right
only 1 of which is "traditional" news in FOX.

then we could get into "repeater" sites if you'd like. sites that take a story and simply repost it as their own and get their shark sucker fish revenue.

but on the surface, it's 28 to 17, 4 to 1 in favor of the left.

4 to 1 on traditional media to me would indicate they own traditional media and much of the older crowd.

please feel free to offer your own interpretation or list of how the major news sites lean.

My argument is, these days, there is no discernible difference traditional (ie mainstream media) when people now have open access to it all.

when I look at this particular diagram, I count 27 on the left, and 21 on the right, excluding the “opinion only” categories.

I think it is important to also note what the source of that chart says about why it picked those media, which pretty much supports my statement on msm...it doesn’t mean much anymore in terms of readership.

How Did AllSides Decide Which Media Outlets to Include on the Chart?
Some things we took into account include whether the source was a top outlet in terms of traffic according to Pew Research Center. We also took into account how often people search for the bias of that outlet on Google and visit AllSides as a result.

We also include outlets that are good representations a certain perspective or ideology. For example, Jacobin magazine is included because it represents socialist thought, while Reason magazine is included because it represents libertarian thought.

 

[MarathonMike]

TV rules and Liberal TV news rules what passes for "news". Ten minutes ago, I just saw the latest bash piece on the police on NBC Nightly News. They are running a tear jerker story of young Black kids traumatized by police killings of other young Black kids. I guess it's not scary for Black kids to die in their bedroom from a gangster's bullet.

 

[dunikizy]

I'm talking about what I'm talking about.

 

[bottlecap]

There is no such thing as MSM anymore.


Or...to be more specific there is no such thing as MSM in the way that the rightwing wants to claim.

I disagree, respectfully. It all boils down to numbers really.

Liberal media: ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, WaPo, NYT

Conservative media: Fox News

You have all those outlets driving the narrative while they are supposed to be delivering straight and accurate news, which means that the claim "there is no such thing as MSM anymore" is on its face wrong.

How do you calculate "numbers" exactly. Doesn't FOX brag about having the largest ever audience?

On top of that, what you able "liberal media" isn't necessarily so. There is a lot more media out there than what you list and it all has an audience. Just look at what people here use for their sources. How often is it "MSM"?

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Of course the non-online TV Networks. ABC, NBC and CBS are the dominant players in the MSM mix and they detest TRUMP!

Add in Facebook, Twitter, Yahoo, Apple as far-left propagandists.

AP, Reuters, Bloomberg, NPR and USA Today are very left-wing, I don't see them as even-handed.

And we know where Hollywood and Academia stand.

There are more Conservative outlets today, but, IMO, there is still a very great disparity between Left-wing and Right-wing,

 

[sealybobo]

This is a split from another thread...so as not to derail that thread, but makes for an interesting topic so I thought I would throw it into the ring.

There is no such thing as MSM anymore.


Or...to be more specific there is no such thing as MSM in the way that the rightwing wants to claim.

All media is equal today - from the crappiest blog propaganda sites to well researched journalistic sites. They are all equally accessable (but NOT equally accountable).

The average person gets his news now from where? How many news sources are available at the click of a mouse? The only thing MSM means now...is "traditional" in a media sea.

Our media problems extend far beyond Left/Right.

The majority of out "traditional media" is owned by 5 corporations. Fox is one of the Top Five. That is a very very few owning a lot of our sources for information. When you go outside the "traditional media"...you run into accountability problems. There is no accountability for facts, they can't be sued or held to account. Bloggers, independents - they aren't held to any standard. Traditional media is - because people pay for it and they get pissed. They can also sue.

When the majority of our accountable media is in the hands of FIVE...and the rest runs the gamut from good to crap, with no accountability, we are in a bit of trouble.

We actually should be very worried about this.

Was the media liberal during gw bush’s regime? Because back then us liberals were saying bush lied us into Iraq. But the media wouldnt report it. Fast forward to candidate trump running for president in a republican primary debate in North Carolina said it. They lied. They knew there weren’t any wmds.

It was something no other republican would dare say. Where was the liberal media when he said that in 2015? That’s sort of big news if it’s true. And funny because it’s comments like that which won over a lot of independents and moderates who believe that too. People who otherwise wouldnt vote republican.

So when did the media become liberal? Answer is they didn’t. They’ve gotten more conservative. Bill Clinton signed the media deregulation act in 96 and then 4 conservative corporations gobbled up and now edit or sensor the media. They’re liberal or seem liberal on guns, gays and racism. The things that divide us.

But on things that matter like corporate tax breaks, deregulation’s war and global warming they are conservative

 

[westwall]

This is a split from another thread...so as not to derail that thread, but makes for an interesting topic so I thought I would throw it into the ring.

There is no such thing as MSM anymore.


Or...to be more specific there is no such thing as MSM in the way that the rightwing wants to claim.

All media is equal today - from the crappiest blog propaganda sites to well researched journalistic sites. They are all equally accessable (but NOT equally accountable).

The average person gets his news now from where? How many news sources are available at the click of a mouse? The only thing MSM means now...is "traditional" in a media sea.

Our media problems extend far beyond Left/Right.

The majority of out "traditional media" is owned by 5 corporations. Fox is one of the Top Five. That is a very very few owning a lot of our sources for information. When you go outside the "traditional media"...you run into accountability problems. There is no accountability for facts, they can't be sued or held to account. Bloggers, independents - they aren't held to any standard. Traditional media is - because people pay for it and they get pissed. They can also sue.

When the majority of our accountable media is in the hands of FIVE...and the rest runs the gamut from good to crap, with no accountability, we are in a bit of trouble.

We actually should be very worried about this.

You are partially correct. The MSM is now a propaganda arm of one branch of a corrupt political elite.

That is now PROVEN beyond doubt.

 

[sealybobo]

Us liberals see what’s wrong with America. Illegal employers. The corporate media never talks about illegal employers. Why not? They only talk about illegal immigrants.

 

[sealybobo]

This is a split from another thread...so as not to derail that thread, but makes for an interesting topic so I thought I would throw it into the ring.

There is no such thing as MSM anymore.


Or...to be more specific there is no such thing as MSM in the way that the rightwing wants to claim.

All media is equal today - from the crappiest blog propaganda sites to well researched journalistic sites. They are all equally accessable (but NOT equally accountable).

The average person gets his news now from where? How many news sources are available at the click of a mouse? The only thing MSM means now...is "traditional" in a media sea.

Our media problems extend far beyond Left/Right.

The majority of out "traditional media" is owned by 5 corporations. Fox is one of the Top Five. That is a very very few owning a lot of our sources for information. When you go outside the "traditional media"...you run into accountability problems. There is no accountability for facts, they can't be sued or held to account. Bloggers, independents - they aren't held to any standard. Traditional media is - because people pay for it and they get pissed. They can also sue.

When the majority of our accountable media is in the hands of FIVE...and the rest runs the gamut from good to crap, with no accountability, we are in a bit of trouble.

We actually should be very worried about this.

You are partially correct. The MSM is now a propaganda arm of one branch of a corrupt political elite.

That is now PROVEN beyond doubt.

They never talk about the things the Supreme Court decide on. Things that really matter. They now always side with corporations over people who are harmed by corporations. Look at how citizens united was decided hardly any talk about it. Today it is extremely unpopular and gives money more power and influence.

Global warming. It’s a fact. Why doesn’t msnbc bring out the scientists on a nightly show that explains in great detail how global warming is a fact and then show who donates to republicans so that they will continue denying for as long as they can. Like with cigarettes and lead poisoning. why doesn’t msnbc call fox out?

Im not hearing much from the mainstream media about labor. How’s labor doing? Today they only talk about the stock market and corporations. There’s a show for investors. Where’s the labor show?

Republicans removed the fairness doctrine.

Wheres the liberal perspective on Fox? Fox should be forced to give a liberal like randi Rhodes one hour any time slot where she gets to call bullshit on everything you listened to for 23 hours.

I would get huge ratings but they’d rather not no matter how much such a show would make them.

Also notice randi Rhodes isn’t given a show on msnbc? She’s too honest for them too. They only hire vanilla hosts. Not real liberal. Isn’t one out there. Can you name one? Who’s our rush Limbaugh?