Joseph Smith's seer stones inspired a lot of violence.
Here is a link to how the church views the seer stones Joseph Smith used. The relationship between Joseph Smith's seer stone and the Urim and Thummim
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Joseph Smith's seer stones inspired a lot of violence.
Growing up, I attended Catholic School. I was 14-years-old and unaware of the Mormon church. One day in the public library I came across the Book of Mormon on one of the library tables. I leafed through it and saw it was about God. I flipped through reading passages and was disappointed. I walked away thinking, "That sounds like it was written by a 14-year-old boy.
A few years passed, was now in a public high school and a few of my friends were Mormon. Turns out their book was written by a 14-year-old boy! But both the book and they said I should pray about this. I definitely believed in prayer, so I did pray. A sense of calmness descended and the unspoken words of, "This is not for you." It was an incredible sensation. When something like this happens, I am very careful not to change or read any other meaning into it.
There was no indication that the Mormon faith was not for anyone else, I prayed and the very clear answer was it was not for ME. This does not mean that it isn't meant for anyone else either.
Years passed, continued to meet and love my friends who were Mormon. We only had on really major fight. A year after my Catholic grandmother died she had one of those after death baptisms into the Mormon faith. At the time my Catholic mother and aunt were beginning to ail, and my aunt was as interested in genealogy sites as I was. My ailing mother would have been horrified and terrified of the same thing being done to her after her death. And it probably has been done which makes me feel like vomiting. The Mormon argument was that perhaps they didn't have the chance to choose during their lives. Not so. Even during my grandmother's life she had many visits from Mormons and they were told no. Not interested.
I can forgive Mormons for their past, but forgiving them this rape of a person's faith is as close to unforgivable as I have ever seen. Shame on that church and double shame on the people who stand in as proxies. Try them and the church the same way a rapist is tried.
Smith's minions destroyed the building and business of a local newspaper that exposed Smith's various hypocrisies and phoniness. Smith and his brother were arrested and charged with arson. While he was in the makeshift jail, the locals heard that the Mormons were going to try to break him out, and Smith died in a gunfight at the jail. He was no martyr or hero.
Among his many wives were women who were inconveniently married to other men at the time of their marriages to Smith. A bigger self-aggrandizing phony would be difficult to imagine.
ya, I know what ya mean. That part in the Book of Mormon where Brigham Young wrestled with the bear and fell out of the Salt Lake Temple into the great salt lake was hard to swallowThe "problem" with the Joseph Smith religion is that it is too recent, so that many of its beliefs can be disproven. It's not just the pie-in-the-sky stuff that is not subject to measurement, it's the actual factual claims that are - hate to say it - false. Did Christ walk on water? Nobody today can disprove it. But did Joe Smith receive golden tablets from the angel Moroni, translating them from "reformed Egyptian" to English? No.
There is no genetic or archaeological evidence to support the basic history of the Book of Mormon. No artifacts, no Native Americans with Semitic genes, none of it. In fact, given the breadth of the claims, the total lack of corroboration is proof that it is all made up. Further, Smith's beliefs that the Amerindians descended from the so-called "lost tribes of Israel" was fairly common at Smith's time.
There is no such language as "reformed Egyptian," and never was. The "witnesses" to the BoM were compromised and simply cannot be believed.
The fraud of the Book of Abraham has never been explained away, as that is not really possible. Smith took a document that he presumed NOBODY would ever be able to translate, and made up a story about a biblical figure that is now part of LDS scripture. It was later translated by a competent linguist and it had nothing to do with Abraham or any Hebrew, and was off in time by centuries.
The LDS religion is, by most accounts, a valuable cultural addition to the American mosaic, producing good citizens by the hundreds of thousands. But theologically it is balderdash. Maybe all religions are, but LDS is provable balderdash.
And if stating an obvious truth makes me a bigot, then send me to jail. Guilty as charged.
Your beliefs are your own but they are not the beliefs of devoted Catholics or people of other faiths. You are welcome to your beliefs. The beliefs of others should be welcome and respected as well.We believe that baptism is a required ordinance that one must receive in order to be saved into the kingdom of heaven.
You are not forced into any Catholic practice--whether you find them offensive or not. Catholics believe in freedom of choice--and we did not choose the LDS faith. That the LDS Church goes against freedom of choice goes against the very will of God.I could list quite a few practices the Catholics do that I personally find offensive but I respect the freedom of religion we have in this country and allow all to worship how, where or what they may.
Full stop. I am aware of the church's ever changing view of the seer stones. You know what's missing? The "money digging"/treasure hunting in Missouri and it's contribution to violence. Would you be so kind as to share that information as well?Joseph Smith's seer stones inspired a lot of violence.
Here is a link to how the church views the seer stones Joseph Smith used. The relationship between Joseph Smith's seer stone and the Urim and Thummim
You are not forced into any Catholic practice--whether you find them offensive or not. Catholics believe in freedom of choice--and we did not choose the LDS faith. That the LDS Church goes against freedom of choice goes against the very will of God.I could list quite a few practices the Catholics do that I personally find offensive but I respect the freedom of religion we have in this country and allow all to worship how, where or what they may.
What I do note is that they wait until people have passed away. Why not just grab a telephone book and proxy baptize us when we are living? Answer: Because they know that is wrong. Just as wrong as what they do a year after we die. Unbelievable they do not feel shame over this.It's a passive aggressive action. Can you stop them? Nope. So, what are you going to do about it? Nothing.
They are aware.
Your beliefs are your own but they are not the beliefs of devoted Catholics or people of other faiths. You are welcome to your beliefs. The beliefs of others should be welcome and respected as well.We believe that baptism is a required ordinance that one must receive in order to be saved into the kingdom of heaven.
What I do note is that they wait until people have passed away. Why not just grab a telephone book and proxy baptize us when we are living? Answer: Because they know that is wrong. Just as wrong as what they do a year after we die. Unbelievable they do not feel shame over this.It's a passive aggressive action. Can you stop them? Nope. So, what are you going to do about it? Nothing.
They are aware.
You are not forced into any Catholic practice--whether you find them offensive or not. Catholics believe in freedom of choice--and we did not choose the LDS faith. That the LDS Church goes against freedom of choice goes against the very will of God.I could list quite a few practices the Catholics do that I personally find offensive but I respect the freedom of religion we have in this country and allow all to worship how, where or what they may.
The Book or Mormon talks about ancient lands, cities, rivers, and tribes of people throughout Central and South America, which is why there are mormon's all over the place searching for artifacts to back up the book's far fetched claims.
But after many decades of Mormon archaeologists searching through the jungles and exploring the remote mountains of Central and South America; not a single shard of pottery or other physical evidence has ever been excavated to verify the Book of Mormon's fraudulent narrative. ...
Full stop. I am aware of the church's ever changing view of the seer stones. You know what's missing? The "money digging"/treasure hunting in Missouri and it's contribution to violence. Would you be so kind as to share that information as well?
The Book or Mormon talks about ancient lands, cities, rivers, and tribes of people throughout Central and South America, which is why there are mormon's all over the place searching for artifacts to back up the book's far fetched claims.
But after many decades of Mormon archaeologists searching through the jungles and exploring the remote mountains of Central and South America; not a single shard of pottery or other physical evidence has ever been excavated to verify the Book of Mormon's fraudulent narrative. ...
I'm sorry but the Book of Mormon never mentions that the land was Central or South America. Some people both in and out of the church have made those assumptions. However, more recent studies and archaeology are finding evidence that the Book of Mormon likely occurred in North America.
see: Book of Mormon Evidence play the entire list of videos
see also : Rod Meldrum many other videos on the topic
Well the Muslims aren't so fucking nice when they start chopping heads and hands off, nuow are they?Actually....and I might get in trouble for saying this...but every religion peoples I have run into that were NOT kind or nice are....christians.
Very judgemental, ready to argue their faith, use scare tactics to persuade you to be Christian or else yougo to hell and burn forever if you don't do this or that. Which is why I consider myself pagan-christian. A bit of both but with the same God/Jesus. Not goddesses.