More winning. Federal death penalty to be reinstated

[Hutch Starskey]

Why would you want to turn those stats around?

If it were a deterrent, then logically we should have seen an increase in federal capital convictions after it was ceased. We saw the opposite. Convictions went down. So what's the point of executions then?

The most important reason is to give the family of the victim relief. Secondly is to give taxpayers relief.

The better question is, what's the point of keeping these animals in prison for life? That doesn't seem to accomplish anything either.

It accomplishes justice.
The loss of their freedom for the rest of their lives is the penalty.

They only lose their freedom until they escape. El Chapo is only one of many who flew the coop.

El Chapo is in a US federal supermax in Colorado..

EC just got there , you know.

His history includes escaping from the Mexican Supermax.

Just not a US supermax.

 

[Polishprince]

Show me ONE (1, liberals) executed killer who was released and killed again and I will become an ardent supporter of outlawing the death penalty.

A life sentence without the possibility of parole accomplishes the same thing.

Not really. Prisoners escape all of the time.

Not only that, prisoners have a lot of opportunity to commit murders and other crimes while in the joint. Oftentimes the murder victims in prison are just workers, or people in for lesser crimes. Someone doing 5 years for ripping a mattress tag or a 10 year stint for killing a praying mantis, can easily end up as a cellie to Jeff Dahmer

They don't escape all the time. These guys would be in solitary just as they would be if on death row.

Dahmer didn't serve his life sentence in solitary. Neither did Manson, BTW, or Richard Speck, who were also lifers.

The only people who get to do their life sentence in solitary confinement is if they kill or seriously injure a corrections personnel.

 

[Polishprince]

The most important reason is to give the family of the victim relief. Secondly is to give taxpayers relief.

The better question is, what's the point of keeping these animals in prison for life? That doesn't seem to accomplish anything either.

It accomplishes justice.
The loss of their freedom for the rest of their lives is the penalty.

They only lose their freedom until they escape. El Chapo is only one of many who flew the coop.

El Chapo is in a US federal supermax in Colorado..

EC just got there , you know.

His history includes escaping from the Mexican Supermax.

Just not a US supermax.

Right, EC was in Mexico, so it was a Mexican Supermaximo.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well, maybe it's about time to turn those statistics around. And I've said repeatedly that I understand the DP is not a deterrent. That's why I would like to see it changed so it is also a deterrent.

Why would you want to turn those stats around?

If it were a deterrent, then logically we should have seen an increase in federal capital convictions after it was ceased. We saw the opposite. Convictions went down. So what's the point of executions then?

The most important reason is to give the family of the victim relief. Secondly is to give taxpayers relief.

The better question is, what's the point of keeping these animals in prison for life? That doesn't seem to accomplish anything either.

It accomplishes justice.
The loss of their freedom for the rest of their lives is the penalty.

Obviously freedom means little to these people. They don't value it, otherwise they would not have risked losing it.

But very few people want to die for a crime.

The problem is not that we have the death penalty, the problem is we don't use it nearly enough.

Hmm...
So now you believe it's a deterrent?

No, but I believe it could be if carried out the right way. For open and shut cases, all appeals exhausted in four to six months, and allow the execution to be made public. Hell, just to put some sugar on top, allow a family member to twist the petcock that allows the deadly fluid to enter the killers body.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, we miserable people believe in just punishment that fits the crime. Terrible people we are.

Still not seeing how we prove killing people is wrong by killing people.

 

[JoeB131]

Your inexperience in this topic is evident. Yes, I do know people that went to prison and back. I never hung around with them, but I know them. I've even rented to them.

Yes, you seem to encounter a lot of lowlifes... but you think you are better....

 

[HenryBHough]

A life sentence without the possibility of parole accomplishes the same thing.

What a unique planet, that on which you dwell!

Imagine - no "lifer" ever killed another inmate!
No "lifer" ever killed a prison guard!
No "lifer" ever escaped to kill again!
No "lifer" was ever freed by a liberal governor and went on to kill again!

Wonderful - but how did you get here?

 

[Polishprince]

Why would you want to turn those stats around?

If it were a deterrent, then logically we should have seen an increase in federal capital convictions after it was ceased. We saw the opposite. Convictions went down. So what's the point of executions then?

The most important reason is to give the family of the victim relief. Secondly is to give taxpayers relief.

The better question is, what's the point of keeping these animals in prison for life? That doesn't seem to accomplish anything either.

It accomplishes justice.
The loss of their freedom for the rest of their lives is the penalty.

Obviously freedom means little to these people. They don't value it, otherwise they would not have risked losing it.

But very few people want to die for a crime.

The problem is not that we have the death penalty, the problem is we don't use it nearly enough.

Hmm...
So now you believe it's a deterrent?

No, but I believe it could be if carried out the right way. For open and shut cases, all appeals exhausted in four to six months, and allow the execution to be made public. Hell, just to put some sugar on top, allow a family member to twist the petcock that allows the deadly fluid to enter the killers body.

I like the Electric Chair a lot more than lethal injection.

A lot more dramatic, LI looks like a medical procedure.

 

[ph3iron]

(CNN)The federal government is set to bring back capital punishment after 16 years with the executions of five inmates.

Attorney General William Barr on Thursday ordered the Bureau of Prisons to adopt an updated execution protocol, clearing the way for five death row inmates to be put to death. The executions are scheduled to begin in December 2019, though legal challenges could potentially delay them.
These are the inmates who will be executed:

These 5 inmates will be executed after Attorney General William Barr told the federal government to reinstate death penalty - CNN

That's right libs, the federal death penalty is back in the good ole USA. While you focus on killing babies, we are focusing on killing people who actually deserve execution.

Now it's just a matter of liberals crying about these poor innocent people who became the people they are thanks to a failed society. But wait! There's something in this for the left as well! One of the first people on that list is a white supremacist.

See, something for everybody, that is until the ACLU or some other leftist group plugs the courts up with lawsuits.

Nice pantywaists brave boy reply.
Still too dumb to know the def of liberal?
No Latin in college?
No college?

 

[HenryBHough]

I like the Electric Chair a lot more than lethal injection.

A lot more dramatic, LI looks like a medical procedure.

Damned expensive though with electric rates for eco-friendly generated solar or wind power. Piano wire is cheaper and much more eco-friendly - it can be reused indefinitely and doesn't even have to be cleaned (save water!) between uses.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yeah, we miserable people believe in just punishment that fits the crime. Terrible people we are.

Still not seeing how we prove killing people is wrong by killing people.

As compared to what? Keeping people alive that did kill innocent people? Doesn't seem like the punishment fits the crime that way.

A guy that unloads my truck had his sister murdered about two weeks ago. She was killed by her husband. I'm sure he's hoping that the death penalty applies to this moron, but it's likely it won't. So he'll have to live the rest of his life--without his sister, and look at his paycheck every week realizing he is being taxed to give this guy three squares a day, medical care, and a television to watch every day.

 

[ph3iron]

It's not really being reinstated, it never went away, They are resuming executions.

Pretty much the same thing. Either way, these lowlifes will be off the taxpayer tab.

Don the con lowlifes?

 

[pknopp]

A life sentence without the possibility of parole accomplishes the same thing.

What a unique planet, that on which you dwell!

Imagine - no "lifer" ever killed another inmate!
No "lifer" ever killed a prison guard!
No "lifer" ever escaped to kill again!
No "lifer" was ever freed by a liberal governor and went on to kill again!

Wonderful - but how did you get here?

Going with your argument we simply kill everyone. There have been many killed in prison. By people who never killed anyone before. By people with defined sentences. Etc.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It accomplishes justice.
The loss of their freedom for the rest of their lives is the penalty.

They only lose their freedom until they escape. El Chapo is only one of many who flew the coop.

El Chapo is in a US federal supermax in Colorado..

EC just got there , you know.

His history includes escaping from the Mexican Supermax.

Just not a US supermax.

Right, EC was in Mexico, so it was a Mexican Supermaximo.

What he pulled off in Mexico is irrelevant. That can't be done here.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

(CNN)The federal government is set to bring back capital punishment after 16 years with the executions of five inmates.

Attorney General William Barr on Thursday ordered the Bureau of Prisons to adopt an updated execution protocol, clearing the way for five death row inmates to be put to death. The executions are scheduled to begin in December 2019, though legal challenges could potentially delay them.
These are the inmates who will be executed:

These 5 inmates will be executed after Attorney General William Barr told the federal government to reinstate death penalty - CNN

That's right libs, the federal death penalty is back in the good ole USA. While you focus on killing babies, we are focusing on killing people who actually deserve execution.

Now it's just a matter of liberals crying about these poor innocent people who became the people they are thanks to a failed society. But wait! There's something in this for the left as well! One of the first people on that list is a white supremacist.

See, something for everybody, that is until the ACLU or some other leftist group plugs the courts up with lawsuits.

Nice pantywaists brave boy reply.
Still too dumb to know the def of liberal?
No Latin in college?
No college?

Liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, all the same to me. They are all leftist.

 

[pknopp]

Yeah, we miserable people believe in just punishment that fits the crime. Terrible people we are.

Still not seeing how we prove killing people is wrong by killing people.

As compared to what? Keeping people alive that did kill innocent people? Doesn't seem like the punishment fits the crime that way.

A guy that unloads my truck had his sister murdered about two weeks ago. She was killed by her husband. I'm sure he's hoping that the death penalty applies to this moron, but it's likely it won't. So he'll have to live the rest of his life--without his sister, and look at his paycheck every week realizing he is being taxed to give this guy three squares a day, medical care, and a television to watch every day.

I feel the same way providing Bush, Obama and Trump a living with my taxes.

Those three (among others) are responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands innocent people.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Why would you want to turn those stats around?

If it were a deterrent, then logically we should have seen an increase in federal capital convictions after it was ceased. We saw the opposite. Convictions went down. So what's the point of executions then?

The most important reason is to give the family of the victim relief. Secondly is to give taxpayers relief.

The better question is, what's the point of keeping these animals in prison for life? That doesn't seem to accomplish anything either.

It accomplishes justice.
The loss of their freedom for the rest of their lives is the penalty.

Obviously freedom means little to these people. They don't value it, otherwise they would not have risked losing it.

But very few people want to die for a crime.

The problem is not that we have the death penalty, the problem is we don't use it nearly enough.

Hmm...
So now you believe it's a deterrent?

No, but I believe it could be if carried out the right way. For open and shut cases, all appeals exhausted in four to six months, and allow the execution to be made public. Hell, just to put some sugar on top, allow a family member to twist the petcock that allows the deadly fluid to enter the killers body.

If it's not a deterrent than it's wholly unnecessary.

 

[Polishprince]

I like the Electric Chair a lot more than lethal injection.

A lot more dramatic, LI looks like a medical procedure.

Damned expensive though with electric rates for eco-friendly generated solar or wind power. Piano wire is cheaper and much more eco-friendly - it can be reused indefinitely and doesn't even have to be cleaned (save water!) between uses.

I have no problem with the usage of the La Garotte, the traditional hispanic method of execution.

However, how many times can the same wire be used before its loses its tensile strength for this job?

And how strong does an executioner have to be to garrote someone efficiently? Are our prison staff up to the job?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The most important reason is to give the family of the victim relief. Secondly is to give taxpayers relief.

The better question is, what's the point of keeping these animals in prison for life? That doesn't seem to accomplish anything either.

It accomplishes justice.
The loss of their freedom for the rest of their lives is the penalty.

Obviously freedom means little to these people. They don't value it, otherwise they would not have risked losing it.

But very few people want to die for a crime.

The problem is not that we have the death penalty, the problem is we don't use it nearly enough.

Hmm...
So now you believe it's a deterrent?

No, but I believe it could be if carried out the right way. For open and shut cases, all appeals exhausted in four to six months, and allow the execution to be made public. Hell, just to put some sugar on top, allow a family member to twist the petcock that allows the deadly fluid to enter the killers body.

If it's not a deterrent than it's wholly unnecessary.

It depends on your point of view. I think it's necessary at least for the family to bring them some closure. I also think it should continue so we could improve on making it a deterrent someday.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

A life sentence without the possibility of parole accomplishes the same thing.

What a unique planet, that on which you dwell!

Imagine - no "lifer" ever killed another inmate!
No "lifer" ever killed a prison guard!
No "lifer" ever escaped to kill again!
No "lifer" was ever freed by a liberal governor and went on to kill again!

Wonderful - but how did you get here?

Irrelevant nonsense. Executions aren't necessary to deiliver justice.