More Strong Evidence for Evolution: Anatomical Vestiges

[Fort Fun Indiana]

This "fish grew lungs" explanation has not made any sense since I first heard it in 6th grade.

What explanation? State it. You keep forgetting to do so. In your own words.

Then we will see that you have never read and don't know any explanation. That you just kind of made something up in your head.

 

[scruffy]

Because one day a fish "evolved" legs and lungs?

Actually, yes.

 

[scruffy]

OK, let's say that some fish "randomly mutated" perfectly working lungs that allowed the mutant to breath above and below water...you now have to believe that during its short lifetime it met another "randomly mutated" fish with perfectly working lungs that allowed the mutant to breath above and below water...and mated?

Do you see how silly this is?

You should learn about chromosomes.

It's not silly at all. Internal organs are created by homeobox genes in stem cells, just like body segmentation.

As part of my work with the JC virus I have to know about human immunological variability. It's amazing stuff, you should check it out.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What explanation? State it. You keep forgetting to do so. In your own words.

Then we will see that you have never read and don't know any explanation. That you just kind of made something up in your head.

Your explanations don't explain anything

 

[ding]

Two thing to bear in mind.

1. The hard shells on trilobites must have evolved too, so we'd not expect the first appearance of that trait to be the complex formation we see in a trilobite, there must have been countless generations from the first trace of shelly material to something as sophisticated as a trilobite.

2. In many places were we find trilobites and other Cambrian beasts, we also find fossils of tiny delicate organisms like small jellyfish even embryos and so on, so we know that fossilization was taking place before the first appearance of these animals.

e.g.

Chengjiang Fossil Site

A hilly 512 ha site in Yunnan province, Chengjiang’s fossils present the most complete record of an early Cambrian marine community with exceptionally preserved biota, displaying the anatomy of hard and ...

whc.unesco.org

This record found at this site (and there some others) flies in the face of the empirical expectations of Darwinism, there's no credible trace of the evolutionary record of Cambrian animals and no credible explanation as to why...

Don't know if I can agree with those assumptions but not outside the realm of possibilities.

 

[ding]

He was not. Absence of trilobites is NOT evidence that they didn't have hard shells before they appeared in the fossil record. That is a possibility but there are other possibilities.

If hard shells evolved then the absence of fossils prior to hard shells evolving is evidence that hard shells evolved.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Only to those that don't know the difference between the fossil record and the geologic record.

 

[ding]

Only to those that don't know the difference between the fossil record and the geologic record.

I use them interchangeably when discussing biological evolution. Should I color myself ignorant?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You should learn about chromosomes.

It's not silly at all. Internal organs are created by homeobox genes in stem cells, just like body segmentation.

As part of my work with the JC virus I have to know about human immunological variability. It's amazing stuff, you should check it out.

Yeah

So two fish in close proximity during their brief life had the exact same genetic abnormality which allowed them to breed and pass on their genes

Sure

 

[ding]

Yeah

So two fish in close proximity during their brief life had the exact same genetic abnormality which allowed them to breed and pass on their genes

Sure

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That’s why for genetic mutations to take they must occur across a herd in numbers significant enough for the change to take. In other words it’s so unlikely to occur that one could call it a miracle.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

In several unrelated lines of fishes, the bladder has become specialized as a lung or, at least, as a highly vascularized accessory breathing organ. Some fishes with such accessory organs are obligate air breathers and will drown if denied access to the surface, even in well-oxygenated.

Bladder? Why in G-d's name do fish need a bladder lung?

 

[scruffy]

Yeah

So two fish in close proximity during their brief life had the exact same genetic abnormality which allowed them to breed and pass on their genes

Sure

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Sigh.

You've never heard of recombination?

Many mutations are hereditary. Most don't prevent breeding.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Sigh.

You've never heard of recombination?

Many mutations are hereditary. Most don't prevent breeding.

So a “fish”, with lungs, mated with a fish with gills?

 

[alang1216]

Bladder? Why in G-d's name do fish need a bladder lung?

Same reason you do.

Mudskippers

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Same reason you do.

Mudskippers

Because I'm a mudskipper??

 

[alang1216]

Because I'm a mudskipper??

Yeah, that's it.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Your explanations don't explain anything

What explanation?

Oops, you forgot to state any explanation.

You do realize you've managed to say less than nothing, right?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So a “fish”, with lungs, mated with a fish with gills?

No, gradual changes over time led some fish to develop ways to breathe air. Think up to millions of years.

Not one night in Vegas.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What explanation?

Oops, you forgot to state any explanation.

You do realize you've managed to say less than nothing, right?

It's OK.

I understand.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's OK.

I understand.

Haha, poor Frank. You don't even know the explanation you are shitting on. Your behavior is just mindless and reflexive.