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how is that racial?....excluding suicides by gun, is there more shootings in the poor side of town compared to the richer side?...Stop the racist hate, Correll.maybe 3-4 years ago?...Do you recall the date, not exact, but the year?
I retired in '05, Two areas of our county (1,000,000 pop.) registered somewhere around 90% of the murders (a guess, but by serving on a Death Panel, where all deaths were discussed (juvenile and adult) it was pretty clear drugs, gangs and poverty were the secondary cause, followed of course by the primary cause of murders, the gun.
The inanimate object is the cause? NOt the social dysfunction? Was that a joke?
Plenty of guns in suburbia and they don't shoot each other like they do in the hood.
But are they? No. Fallacy of false equivalency. If you get an equivalency in reality you can use, go for it.Here is the lie: "nothing you say about guns is remotely accurate or truthful...".We had 30 thousand gun deaths. Guns are not cars, and they are not used as cars. They are used for death and destruction.
But if 11,000 car deaths were people committing suicide by ramming cars into buildings or driving them off cliffs would you say its fair to hold those stats against the safety of cars in general?
Gun ownership around the world, mapped
Who would have thought that everybody having a gun would affect the murder rate ?
The US is cracking up.
Gun ownership around the world, mapped
Who would have thought that everybody having a gun would affect the murder rate ?
The US is cracking up.
Here is the lie: "nothing you say about guns is remotely accurate or truthful...".We had 30 thousand gun deaths. Guns are not cars, and they are not used as cars. They are used for death and destruction.
Here is the lie: "nothing you say about guns is remotely accurate or truthful...".We had 30 thousand gun deaths. Guns are not cars, and they are not used as cars. They are used for death and destruction.
But if 11,000 car deaths were people committing suicide by ramming cars into buildings or driving them off cliffs would you say its fair to hold those stats against the safety of cars in general?
IGun ownership around the world, mapped
Who would have thought that everybody having a gun would affect the murder rate ?
The US is cracking up.
Simply not true. England and France have more violent crimes then the US per capita. THAT is a fact.You are deflecting. All of Europe is safer than the US. Why is that ? We are not as heavily armed as you are.
There may be other minor factors but in general family rows in civilised Europe dont end in a body count and neither do our toddlers outkill terrorists. Every European country has a lower gun murder rate than the US. Every fucking one.
GUN murder rate! Thanks for proving my point! And how am I deflecting?!?! I am directly addressing your OP and even citing your own article. You're the one deflecting, again how do you explain how the Swiss are walking around with full autos, and yet they're in the safest place on earth????
80% of our gun murder rates a directly gang related. And those are only the ones we've proven to be gang related genius. You're ignoring you're own article. Gun crime doubled in the U.K. since gun control was implemented...why is that. The murder rate in Australia went up 10% after gun control was implemented why is that? And Switzerland still remains the safest country on earth, with citizens being issued FULL AUTO (I trust you know what that means) assault rifles left and right. All of these countries that have implemented gun control ALWAYS ALWAYS see a spike in gun murder rates, regular murder rates, and crime.
48% of US citizens are law abiding gun owners, and 99% of them get along swimmingly with everyone around them. Gun control only applies to people who follow the law. And responsible gun owners are thwarting crimes and murders multiple times a day. But yea let's ignore all of those stories. There are more guns in the US than there are illegal immigrants, and you'd probably agree it's impossible to round up all illegals, what makes you think we'll be able to round up all the guns in this country, from criminals who we don't even know have them. It's ludicrous.
You are cherry picking info from your article, when you're own article is contradicting you!! Did you even read it? The data is right there. And then I posted numerous articles about how your article doesn't even come close to giving an accurate full picture, and then you deflect and ignore it. You are incapable of having an honest conversation about guns, if you're only looking at the gun murder rate, you're putting on the narrowest of blinders. If that's what you need to do, whatever, the rest of us are going to keep being gun owners, and I'll keep shooting the coons going after my chickens at night. Because a gun is a tool, nothing else, I can use for hunting or self defense, or I can use it to kill my wife. A knife is a tool, I can use it to slice tomatoes, or I can use it to stab my wife. I can drive my car to work, or I can use it to plow through crowds of people. I can clean myself in my bathtub, or drown somebody in it.
I have directly addressed your OP, you chose to ignore it and claim that I'm deflecting. Have honestly if you really want conversation, if you want to wave a flag with ear muffs on, I'm done with this thread.
Well you can pick at rises and falls anywhere in the world but the figure that actually matters shows that ALL OF EUROPE IS SAFER THAN THE US. There is no conversation on that subject other than it is a fact . The conversation should be about how you address this.
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Crimes of violence are not rare, anywhere. Crimes committed by guns are certainly not rare in our country. Do we outlaw laws because crime cannot be stopped?
In a country of over 320,000,000 we had 9,616 gun murders in 2015.......with 400 million guns in private hands....let me repeat that because I know you are slow.......with 400 million guns in private hands, and over 15 million Americans actually carrying guns for self defense.........
Accidental car deaths in this country....
Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC
Total car accidental death....
2015....36,161
2014....33,736
2013....33,804
2012....34,935
Gun murder....2015....9,616.....
More people are killed accidentally with cars in this country than with actual intent with guns....
Yes....gun murder is rare in this country.....especially if you actually look at where murder occurs.......they are isolated to cities, run by democrats, and even then they are isolated to tiny areas of those cities......
Nothing you say about guns is remotely accurate or truthful...
Simply not true. England and France have more violent crimes then the US per capita. THAT is a fact.GUN murder rate! Thanks for proving my point! And how am I deflecting?!?! I am directly addressing your OP and even citing your own article. You're the one deflecting, again how do you explain how the Swiss are walking around with full autos, and yet they're in the safest place on earth????
80% of our gun murder rates a directly gang related. And those are only the ones we've proven to be gang related genius. You're ignoring you're own article. Gun crime doubled in the U.K. since gun control was implemented...why is that. The murder rate in Australia went up 10% after gun control was implemented why is that? And Switzerland still remains the safest country on earth, with citizens being issued FULL AUTO (I trust you know what that means) assault rifles left and right. All of these countries that have implemented gun control ALWAYS ALWAYS see a spike in gun murder rates, regular murder rates, and crime.
48% of US citizens are law abiding gun owners, and 99% of them get along swimmingly with everyone around them. Gun control only applies to people who follow the law. And responsible gun owners are thwarting crimes and murders multiple times a day. But yea let's ignore all of those stories. There are more guns in the US than there are illegal immigrants, and you'd probably agree it's impossible to round up all illegals, what makes you think we'll be able to round up all the guns in this country, from criminals who we don't even know have them. It's ludicrous.
You are cherry picking info from your article, when you're own article is contradicting you!! Did you even read it? The data is right there. And then I posted numerous articles about how your article doesn't even come close to giving an accurate full picture, and then you deflect and ignore it. You are incapable of having an honest conversation about guns, if you're only looking at the gun murder rate, you're putting on the narrowest of blinders. If that's what you need to do, whatever, the rest of us are going to keep being gun owners, and I'll keep shooting the coons going after my chickens at night. Because a gun is a tool, nothing else, I can use for hunting or self defense, or I can use it to kill my wife. A knife is a tool, I can use it to slice tomatoes, or I can use it to stab my wife. I can drive my car to work, or I can use it to plow through crowds of people. I can clean myself in my bathtub, or drown somebody in it.
I have directly addressed your OP, you chose to ignore it and claim that I'm deflecting. Have honestly if you really want conversation, if you want to wave a flag with ear muffs on, I'm done with this thread.
Well you can pick at rises and falls anywhere in the world but the figure that actually matters shows that ALL OF EUROPE IS SAFER THAN THE US. There is no conversation on that subject other than it is a fact . The conversation should be about how you address this.
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Crimes of violence are not rare, anywhere. Crimes committed by guns are certainly not rare in our country. Do we outlaw laws because crime cannot be stopped?
In a country of over 320,000,000 we had 9,616 gun murders in 2015.......with 400 million guns in private hands....let me repeat that because I know you are slow.......with 400 million guns in private hands, and over 15 million Americans actually carrying guns for self defense.........
Accidental car deaths in this country....
Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC
Total car accidental death....
2015....36,161
2014....33,736
2013....33,804
2012....34,935
Gun murder....2015....9,616.....
More people are killed accidentally with cars in this country than with actual intent with guns....
Yes....gun murder is rare in this country.....especially if you actually look at where murder occurs.......they are isolated to cities, run by democrats, and even then they are isolated to tiny areas of those cities......
Nothing you say about guns is remotely accurate or truthful...
If cars kill people, guns kill people.
Here is the lie: "nothing you say about guns is remotely accurate or truthful...".We had 30 thousand gun deaths. Guns are not cars, and they are not used as cars. They are used for death and destruction.
Here is the lie: "nothing you say about guns is remotely accurate or truthful...".We had 30 thousand gun deaths. Guns are not cars, and they are not used as cars. They are used for death and destruction.
Europe has ghettos dumb ass, mostly Muslim slums.The dishonesty that resides in the left is because they don't differentiate gun violence between different groups of people. To them, someone shot in a drug deal gone bad by felons not even legally allowed to own a gun is the same as a bad guy getting shot breaking into someones house or a teenager tired of being bullied at school splatting their brain matter all over their bedroom wall.
Until the left is willing to differentiate those groups of people and not lump all "gun violence" into the same category, you'll never have an honest debate with them.
The problem with the right is they separate different groups of people to justify not doing anything, not helping anyone.
Why do you think Europe doesn't have a ghetto problem like the US has? Oh, forgot to include that thought process in there, didn't you?
One does not need a firearm to kill themselves and Japan proves the point.11000 of the suicides were by gun, snowflakes.
UK is much safer than USA in terms of gun violence.Gun ownership around the world, mapped
Who would have thought that everybody having a gun would affect the murder rate ?
The US is cracking up.
If you have a gun, particularly a handgun under your pillow of night, you have a castle. And you have a natural right to protect your castle.
A far better fate than bleating like a compliant sheep.
Stop being a Lying dumb ass and I won't have to call you on it.Europe has ghettos dumb ass, mostly Muslim slums.The dishonesty that resides in the left is because they don't differentiate gun violence between different groups of people. To them, someone shot in a drug deal gone bad by felons not even legally allowed to own a gun is the same as a bad guy getting shot breaking into someones house or a teenager tired of being bullied at school splatting their brain matter all over their bedroom wall.
Until the left is willing to differentiate those groups of people and not lump all "gun violence" into the same category, you'll never have an honest debate with them.
The problem with the right is they separate different groups of people to justify not doing anything, not helping anyone.
Why do you think Europe doesn't have a ghetto problem like the US has? Oh, forgot to include that thought process in there, didn't you?
Oh, insults..... maybe you can get back to me when you can get through a whole sentence without insults.
Stop being a Lying dumb ass and I won't have to call you on it.Europe has ghettos dumb ass, mostly Muslim slums.The dishonesty that resides in the left is because they don't differentiate gun violence between different groups of people. To them, someone shot in a drug deal gone bad by felons not even legally allowed to own a gun is the same as a bad guy getting shot breaking into someones house or a teenager tired of being bullied at school splatting their brain matter all over their bedroom wall.
Until the left is willing to differentiate those groups of people and not lump all "gun violence" into the same category, you'll never have an honest debate with them.
The problem with the right is they separate different groups of people to justify not doing anything, not helping anyone.
Why do you think Europe doesn't have a ghetto problem like the US has? Oh, forgot to include that thought process in there, didn't you?
Oh, insults..... maybe you can get back to me when you can get through a whole sentence without insults.
RGS, please don't accuse others of what you do.Stop being a Lying dumb ass and I won't have to call you on it.Europe has ghettos dumb ass, mostly Muslim slums.The dishonesty that resides in the left is because they don't differentiate gun violence between different groups of people. To them, someone shot in a drug deal gone bad by felons not even legally allowed to own a gun is the same as a bad guy getting shot breaking into someones house or a teenager tired of being bullied at school splatting their brain matter all over their bedroom wall.
Until the left is willing to differentiate those groups of people and not lump all "gun violence" into the same category, you'll never have an honest debate with them.
The problem with the right is they separate different groups of people to justify not doing anything, not helping anyone.
Why do you think Europe doesn't have a ghetto problem like the US has? Oh, forgot to include that thought process in there, didn't you?
Oh, insults..... maybe you can get back to me when you can get through a whole sentence without insults.
One does not need a firearm to kill themselves and Japan proves the point.11000 of the suicides were by gun, snowflakes.
UK is much safer than USA in terms of gun violence.Gun ownership around the world, mapped
Who would have thought that everybody having a gun would affect the murder rate ?
The US is cracking up.
If you have a gun, particularly a handgun under your pillow of night, you have a castle. And you have a natural right to protect your castle.
A far better fate than bleating like a compliant sheep.
So, having 4 times more chance of dying, simply because you have a gun under your pillow, is better?
Stop being a Lying dumb ass and I won't have to call you on it.
