More on Alex Pretti and How He Caused His Own Demise

[excalibur]

It was his very actions that caused the situation.

And his very actions lead to his own demise.

1. Pretti was waving for cars to drive thru the BP operation while BP Officers were in the street.

2. The woman in the white jacket who was pushed did not have her back to the officer. As she approached the snow she turned around to face the officer, and it was at that point he shoved her to get her out of the street.

3. Pretti putting himself between the BP Agent and the woman, no matter how much it might be instinctual, is a crime.

4. "Pretti did not start it" – Pretti had a clear path to the sidewalk which is where he was headed, and he reversed and went back to engage the BP Officer. THAT is where Pretti “started it.”

5. What you really want to argue but you can’t bring yourself to say it is “He didn’t resist that much.” “His motives for interfering with the Officer’s efforts were well intentioned.” That’s not the law. The “degree” of resistant nor the goodness in the heart of the lawbreaker don’t turn crimes into non-crimes.

6. BP didn’t pursue “them” and shove “them.” One of the three turned around and faced the BP Officer, stopping in her tracks. The BP Officer shoved her. Pretti could have kept going – Pretti did not. That was PRETTI’S CHOICE.

7. The “Agents” didn’t remove the gun. One Agent removed the gun and immediately turned away and left. It is UNKNOWN if any other the others were aware. This came after one or more Agents yelled “GUN” – communicating to all they were engaged with an ARMED individual who was resisting their efforts to subdue him. When an agent yells "GUN" he doesn't yell "One Sig P320 9 mm, silver with white grips, in a holster in he small of his back". "GUN" simply means armed with a handugn.

8. It is not “speculation” what gun he had – it was a Sig P320 AXG COMBAT, and the P320 DOES have a problem with unintended discharges.

9. Law enforcement agents were not obligated to assume he had only one gun. They knew nothing about him. What they knew was 1) he was resisting, and 2) he had a firearm. That means he was “armed”. Taking one gun does not, by itself, mean he was thereafter “unarmed.” If you don’t understand that, then you don’t understand the law.​

 

[excalibur]

 

[Dr Grump]

It was his very actions that caused the situation.

And his very actions lead to his own demise.

1. Pretti was waving for cars to drive thru the BP operation while BP Officers were in the street.​

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2. The woman in the white jacket who was pushed did not have her back to the officer. As she approached the snow she turned around to face the officer, and it was at that point he shoved her to get her out of the street.​

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3. Pretti putting himself between the BP Agent and the woman, no matter how much it might be instinctual, is a crime.​

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4. "Pretti did not start it" – Pretti had a clear path to the sidewalk which is where he was headed, and he reversed and went back to engage the BP Officer. THAT is where Pretti “started it.”​

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5. What you really want to argue but you can’t bring yourself to say it is “He didn’t resist that much.” “His motives for interfering with the Officer’s efforts were well intentioned.” That’s not the law. The “degree” of resistant nor the goodness in the heart of the lawbreaker don’t turn crimes into non-crimes.​

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6. BP didn’t pursue “them” and shove “them.” One of the three turned around and faced the BP Officer, stopping in her tracks. The BP Officer shoved her. Pretti could have kept going – Pretti did not. That was PRETTI’S CHOICE.​

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7. The “Agents” didn’t remove the gun. One Agent removed the gun and immediately turned away and left. It is UNKNOWN if any other the others were aware. This came after one or more Agents yelled “GUN” – communicating to all they were engaged with an ARMED individual who was resisting their efforts to subdue him. When an agent yells "GUN" he doesn't yell "One Sig P320 9 mm, silver with white grips, in a holster in he small of his back". "GUN" simply means armed with a handugn. ​

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8. It is not “speculation” what gun he had – it was a Sig P320 AXG COMBAT, and the P320 DOES have a problem with unintended discharges.​

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9. Law enforcement agents were not obligated to assume he had only one gun. They knew nothing about him. What they knew was 1) he was resisting, and 2) he had a firearm. That means he was “armed”. Taking one gun does not, by itself, mean he was thereafter “unarmed.” If you don’t understand that, then you don’t understand the law.​

1) Who cares if he was waving cars through.
2) That's right. The officer shoved her. He wasn't arresting her.
3) That's right. Pretti put himself between the officer and the lady. As mentioned in previous posts, he was doing something the officer should have done from the get-go. It's called de-escalation.
4) Starting something is a misnomer. He was trying to de-escalate. He had his hands in the air.
5) You know nothing of the law. You have no idea what the ICE idiot was saying to him. Looks like nothing to me - he sprayed him.
6) So what if it was Pretti's choice.
7) Yep. Just shows how badly trained those mofo's were.
8) Yeah right, in point 7 you said an agent doesn't have time to tell everybody what type of gun he had, but you'll give the agent the excuse that the type of gun he took is volatile. But the agent didn't know it was that type of gun immediately, right?
9) **** me? Resisting. They were beating bejesus out of him and he looked like he was in the foetal position to me. What vid did you watch.

The only thing to come out of this for me, is the right will stop whinging about Ashli Babbit the insurrectionist. If you think Pretti deserved what he got, then she certainly got what she derserved (I don't think that BTW. Her death is on Trump)

 

[Dr Grump]

Trump knows it's a clusterfuck. That's is why he's ditched Bovino and brought in Homan

 

[scruffy]

Trump knows it's a clusterfuck. That's is why he's ditched Bovino and brought in Homan

Bovino is a cop. Homan is an animal with fangs. Trust me, the people running those protesters are going to jail. They'll be up on some very serious federal charges. We need to make an example of them.

 

[Winco]

Bovino is a cop. Homan is an animal with fangs. Trust me, the people running those protesters are going to jail. They'll be up on some very serious federal charges. We need to make an example of them.

Gawk, I hope so

I'm a 64 year old White dude
I so much .................

 

[Dr Grump]

Bovino is a cop. Homan is an animal with fangs. Trust me, the people running those protesters are going to jail. They'll be up on some very serious federal charges. We need to make an example of them.

We'll see what happens. Mind you, there's going to be quite a few people from this admin going to jail too. Just, not yet.

 

[22lcidw]

We'll see what happens. Mind you, there's going to be quite a few people from this admin going to jail too. Just, not yet.

We hope to see yours go to prison first. Walz and Frey should be in prison already. I think the old sidestep is coming...again.

 

[Winco]

Trump wants to be Hitler.
Oh Please.

Deny this>
So SAD where the US is HEADED.


My apology to the REST OF THE WORLD.

US born, only 4 Generations...........
I'm so sad where POT..s has us.

 

[22lcidw]

The post WW2 world order is moving on to something else. The people involved though have massive power. Either Trump is separate from them, or this is another ruse on the people. It seems we watch events near everyday as we are in the audience and the elites are putting a show on for us.

 

[Dr Grump]

We hope to see yours go to prison first. Walz and Frey should be in prison already. I think the old sidestep is coming...again.

What have Walz and Frey done exactly except stick up for their electorate, which is what they were elected to do.

 

[scruffy]

What have Walz and Frey done exactly except stick up for their electorate, which is what they were elected to do.

They weren't elected to run terror cells out of the governor's office.

They weren't elected to ship 8 billion dollars in American taxpayer money to Somalia.

These fools are getting their constituents KILLED, is what they're doing.

 

[Dorian Mode]

Note to the right: Why do you waste so much time paying attention to what leftists think? Let me remind you that there is no such thing as honest debate with the left. Just laugh at their feeble attempts to use psychological manipulation to sway people to believe their BS.

 

[toobfreak]

It was his very actions that caused the situation.

Pretti killed Pretti. Like Good, both seemed to have a death wish to see how far they could push LEO. Well, they both found out. Soon as you cross the line into being a threat, they are done f*cking around.

9. Law enforcement agents were not obligated to assume he had only one gun. They knew nothing about him. What they knew was 1) he was resisting, and 2) he had a firearm. That means he was “armed”. Taking one gun does not, by itself, mean he was thereafter “unarmed.” If you don’t understand that, then you don’t understand the law.

Bingo. Soon as you are identified as an armed combatant, you are a threat. Anyone carrying one gun, might be carrying two or have knives on them. The logical assumption is that you didn't bring a gun because you wanted to be buddies.

You do not stop being a threat until you are cuffed, searched, and arrested. Actually, you never stop being a threat even after you are in an orange jumpsuit.

 

[Dr Grump]

They weren't elected to run terror cells out of the governor's office.

They weren't elected to ship 8 billion dollars in American taxpayer money to Somalia.

These fools are getting their constituents KILLED, is what they're doing.

1) You are definitely a moron. Terror cells. You realise you are talking to a normal human being, not Steve Bannon?
2) What $8 billion?
3) Walz and Frey hired ICE? Who knew?

 

[Dr Grump]

Pretti killed Pretti. Like Good, both seemed to have a death wish to see how far they could push LEO. Well, they both found out. Soon as you cross the line into being a threat, they are done f*cking around.


Bingo. Soon as you are identified as an armed combatant, you are a threat. Anyone carrying one gun, might be carrying two or have knives on them. The logical assumption is that you didn't bring a gun because you wanted to be buddies.

You do not stop being a threat until you are cuffed, searched, and arrested. Actually, you never stop being a threat even after you are in an orange jumpsuit.

I'm thinking "How many moronic posts can there be in one thread?" Quite a few apparently.

Yeah, right, both had a death wish. Stick with that story.

 

[citygator]

It was his very actions that caused the situation.

And his very actions lead to his own demise.

1. Pretti was waving for cars to drive thru the BP operation while BP Officers were in the street.​

​

2. The woman in the white jacket who was pushed did not have her back to the officer. As she approached the snow she turned around to face the officer, and it was at that point he shoved her to get her out of the street.​

​

3. Pretti putting himself between the BP Agent and the woman, no matter how much it might be instinctual, is a crime.​

​

4. "Pretti did not start it" – Pretti had a clear path to the sidewalk which is where he was headed, and he reversed and went back to engage the BP Officer. THAT is where Pretti “started it.”​

​

5. What you really want to argue but you can’t bring yourself to say it is “He didn’t resist that much.” “His motives for interfering with the Officer’s efforts were well intentioned.” That’s not the law. The “degree” of resistant nor the goodness in the heart of the lawbreaker don’t turn crimes into non-crimes.​

​

6. BP didn’t pursue “them” and shove “them.” One of the three turned around and faced the BP Officer, stopping in her tracks. The BP Officer shoved her. Pretti could have kept going – Pretti did not. That was PRETTI’S CHOICE.​

​

7. The “Agents” didn’t remove the gun. One Agent removed the gun and immediately turned away and left. It is UNKNOWN if any other the others were aware. This came after one or more Agents yelled “GUN” – communicating to all they were engaged with an ARMED individual who was resisting their efforts to subdue him. When an agent yells "GUN" he doesn't yell "One Sig P320 9 mm, silver with white grips, in a holster in he small of his back". "GUN" simply means armed with a handugn. ​

​

8. It is not “speculation” what gun he had – it was a Sig P320 AXG COMBAT, and the P320 DOES have a problem with unintended discharges.​

​

9. Law enforcement agents were not obligated to assume he had only one gun. They knew nothing about him. What they knew was 1) he was resisting, and 2) he had a firearm. That means he was “armed”. Taking one gun does not, by itself, mean he was thereafter “unarmed.” If you don’t understand that, then you don’t understand the law.​

Give it up man. Your lies are so transparently bad that your motivations have to be simply to troll.

Excalibur LIES:

1. There were multiple guns - NO
2. The victim's gun was fired - NO
3. You can be killed for carrying a gun to a protest - NO
4. Assault by an out of control agent is a crime by the assaulted victim - NO
5. Assuming someone might kill you with zero evidence is justified - NO

 

[Hafar1014]

It was his very actions that caused the situation.

And his very actions lead to his own demise.

1. Pretti was waving for cars to drive thru the BP operation while BP Officers were in the street.​

​

2. The woman in the white jacket who was pushed did not have her back to the officer. As she approached the snow she turned around to face the officer, and it was at that point he shoved her to get her out of the street.​

​

3. Pretti putting himself between the BP Agent and the woman, no matter how much it might be instinctual, is a crime.​

​

4. "Pretti did not start it" – Pretti had a clear path to the sidewalk which is where he was headed, and he reversed and went back to engage the BP Officer. THAT is where Pretti “started it.”​

​

5. What you really want to argue but you can’t bring yourself to say it is “He didn’t resist that much.” “His motives for interfering with the Officer’s efforts were well intentioned.” That’s not the law. The “degree” of resistant nor the goodness in the heart of the lawbreaker don’t turn crimes into non-crimes.​

​

6. BP didn’t pursue “them” and shove “them.” One of the three turned around and faced the BP Officer, stopping in her tracks. The BP Officer shoved her. Pretti could have kept going – Pretti did not. That was PRETTI’S CHOICE.​

​

7. The “Agents” didn’t remove the gun. One Agent removed the gun and immediately turned away and left. It is UNKNOWN if any other the others were aware. This came after one or more Agents yelled “GUN” – communicating to all they were engaged with an ARMED individual who was resisting their efforts to subdue him. When an agent yells "GUN" he doesn't yell "One Sig P320 9 mm, silver with white grips, in a holster in he small of his back". "GUN" simply means armed with a handugn. ​

​

8. It is not “speculation” what gun he had – it was a Sig P320 AXG COMBAT, and the P320 DOES have a problem with unintended discharges.​

​

9. Law enforcement agents were not obligated to assume he had only one gun. They knew nothing about him. What they knew was 1) he was resisting, and 2) he had a firearm. That means he was “armed”. Taking one gun does not, by itself, mean he was thereafter “unarmed.” If you don’t understand that, then you don’t understand the law.​

After he was disarmed and surrounded by agents he was no longer an imminent threat. We cant see what happened after he was down on the video. The only way he could be lawfully shot was if he tried to take an agents gun as he resisted. So far there is no proof of that. We need to see a body cam video.

 

[1srelluc]

One simple rule:

Never invite the man into your life. If he just followed that rule he would still be alive.

It's like they need someone whispering in their ear:

Man, I'd not do that shit if I were you.

 

[22lcidw]

What have Walz and Frey done exactly except stick up for their electorate, which is what they were elected to do.

They are sticking up for the illegals and the massive number of votes they get. They will see massive damage to the city as they will never be arrested and put into prison. At least this seems to be the norm with corruption and ineptitude.