More on Alex Pretti and How He Caused His Own Demise

[excalibur]

What have Walz and Frey done exactly except stick up for their electorate, which is what they were elected to do.

So, illegal aliens are their electorate. Quite an admission.

 

[excalibur]

After he was disarmed and surrounded by agents he was no longer an imminent threat. We cant see what happened after he was down on the video. The only way he could be lawfully shot was if he tried to take an agents gun as he resisted. So far there is no proof of that. We need to see a body cam video.

9. Law enforcement agents were not obligated to assume he had only one gun. They knew nothing about him. What they knew was 1) he was resisting, and 2) he had a firearm. That means he was “armed”. Taking one gun does not, by itself, mean he was thereafter “unarmed.” If you don’t understand that, then you don’t understand the law./b]​

 

[LeftofLeft]

If the Left wants to continue the position that physically obstructing and interfering with law enforcement is covered under free speech and peaceful gathering then that will come back to haunt them when they are cheering law enforcement for enforcing policies that they support.

 

[LibertyKid]

WOW,
The trump claim of what you are seeing is really NOT what you are seeing.

**** You and I hope Karma hits you soon.
Am I clear?

You need then, prove how the OP is wrong. I have seen the videos. And it is clear what had happened.

However, I will advise that the potential of a Sig 320 have had a uncommanded discharge is not the case and is not evidenced by video. The ICE agent that removed the firearm, when carrying it back, you do not see the fire arm discharge.

What we do see in all the provided videos is BP clearly obstructing ICE. That is a crime. He then physically interjects himself with ICE agents. At this point, BP chose poorly. And not only did he choose poorly, he did so while armed.

Now, BP did not brandish his weapon despite what has been said. However, when BP chose to go to an organized, illegal protest, armed, and then engages with officers, he is potentially putting himself at risk. Then he chose to interact physically with agents. Then the unfortunately chaos ensued. BP was disarmed, and from what can be seen, that disarmament was not clearly voiced. The gun removed and the agent removing the firearm took off with it. That's a terrible mistake on behalf of the agent (and I"m not sure he was an ice agent). Then in that highented chaos, tragedy occured when someone for some reason yelled gun, then shots rang out.

BP didn't intend to die. Nor does ICE want to shoot or detain legal American citizens. But when ANYONE makes the choices the BP, and even Good made those days, you are putting yourself at risk.

I am all for any american protesting peacefully and within the law. Yet, liberals, who are organizing these protests, physically engaging ICE are putting themselves and the general public at risk. Those are the clear and concise facts. If YOU can't see that, then you need some help in understanding logic.

 

[LibertyKid]

If the Left wants to continue the position that physically obstructing and interfering with law enforcement is covered under free speech and peaceful gathering then that will come back to haunt them when they are cheering law enforcement for enforcing policies that they support.

They are so dumb at times that they clearly can't see their own hypocrisy.

 

[scruffy]

1) You are definitely a moron. Terror cells. You realise you are talking to a normal human being, not Steve Bannon?

Jackass, their terror mob destroyed a hotel and two dozen cars.

2) What $8 billion?

The Somali fraud that Walz is running out of the governor's office.

3) Walz and Frey hired ICE? Who knew?

ICE is doing a job the People want done.

Leftards are a TINY minority in this country, about 8%. They're loud and well funded but there aren't many of them.

The rest of America is concerned with our children. We don't give a rat's ass about gang banging illegal criminals.

 

[LibertyKid]

After he was disarmed and surrounded by agents he was no longer an imminent threat. We cant see what happened after he was down on the video. The only way he could be lawfully shot was if he tried to take an agents gun as he resisted. So far there is no proof of that. We need to see a body cam video.

I think we can all agree that when BP was disarmed, the communication of that disarmament was not clearly communicated. That guy took the gun and scampered off. Then we have someone yelling gun. Some people are claiming that BP was reaching and the act of reaching was assumed a weapon. Additional information has stated that he had multiple mags and if they were observed, while not knowing he had been previously disarmed, could have led to the "Gun Gun" statement, and then the shooting.

It's a tragic incident. Could have been entirely avoided had BP not interjected himself illegally into the affairs of federal agents. But he did, while armed. What's the phrase... A recipe for disaster. Decisions have consequences and sometimes those consequences go beyond what could have been perceived. That's what happened to BP. He wasn't out trying to harm ICE and ICE isn't tyring to kill citizens. Just a terrible recipe of choices that led to a terrible outcome.

 

[OODA_Loop]

 

[Dante]

WOW,
The trump claim of what you are seeing is really NOT what you are seeing.

**** You and I hope Karma hits you soon.
Am I clear?

New Video Analysis Reveals Flawed and Fatal Decisions in Shooting of Pretti

A frame-by-frame assessment of actions by Alex Pretti and the two officers who fired 10 times shows how lethal force came to be used against a target who didn’t pose a threat.


When federal agents shot and killed 37-year-old Alex Pretti in Minneapolis on Saturday, officials said he approached agents with a handgun, intending to massacre them. “An individual approached U.S. Border Patrol agents with a 9 mm semiautomatic handgun.” “This looks like a situation where an individual arrived at the scene to inflict maximum damage on individuals and to kill law enforcement.”

But a Times analysis of video footage from the scene in the moments when two officers opened fire, clearly contradict federal government statements. Pretti does not appear to pose a threat to agents. In fact, at several critical junctures, he is outnumbered and under their control. Here are the key moments that reveal what happened. We see Pretti walking about, filming a group of protesters who are speaking with a federal agent. He’s holding a cell phone in one hand.

The other hand is empty. It’s just over 30 seconds before the shooting when a protester is pushed to the ground. Pretti steps between her and the agent who’d shoved her, briefly putting his hand on the agent’s waist. The agent pepper-sprays Pretti’s face.

We can see Pretti is still holding his phone in one hand while holding his other hand up to protect himself against the spray. Contrary to statements by federal officials, he’s made no threatening movements towards agents.

Pretti, who had a firearms permit, carries a gun holstered on his right hip, but he doesn’t reach for it. And it appears agents are unaware the gun is even there. He reaches toward the protester, apparently trying to help her up, while agents begin grabbing him from behind.

He tries to pull away, and again he makes no threatening movements towards the agents. But agents pull him backwards and force him to the ground. Then shots ring out. [gunfire] Now we’ll slow things down, so each moment is clear.

Here is Pretti. Several agents are restraining him. And this is the Border Patrol agent who will shoot him first. This appears to be when agents first notice that Pretti is carrying a firearm and yell that he has a gun. Watching the same moment from a different angle, the agent who first pepper-sprayed Pretti beats him several times with the spray canister.

We can see that both of Pretti’s arms are pinned down by his head. This agent in gray reaches to remove Pretti’s weapon from his hip, as this agent unholsters his gun, nudges the agent in gray out of the way and fires. [gunfire] Let’s rewind and focus on the agent who shoots first. Just seconds before he fired, he was facing away from Pretti and focusing on an entirely different situation as he tries to spray a nearby woman with an irritant. The spray appears to malfunction, and the agent turns as he adjusts it. That’s when someone yells that Pretti has a gun. And around five seconds after fully turning his attention toward Pretti, the agent draws his weapon and shoots. [gunfire] His arm visibly recoils at the first shot. The firearm has clearly been removed from the scrum when the first shots are fired toward Pretti at close range. [gunfire]

The officer who disarmed Pretti can be seen reacting to the sound of the first shot, looking back toward the skirmish. The shooter was standing behind Pretti and not under direct threat, contradicting statements from Homeland Security officials that he fired defensive shots.

He also has a vantage point to see the gun pulled from the scene, but it’s unclear if he did and whether he thought a weapon was still on Pretti. He then fires three more shots from behind Pretti, whose arms are down as he appears to brace himself against the pavement.

In one hand, he still holds his phone, and in his other, his glasses. The agent in gray, who removed Pretti’s gun, carries it across the street. Pretti is disarmed and falling to the ground.

But the agent who first pepper-sprayed Pretti and later beat him with a canister, also pulls out his gun. From a distance, despite the fact that Pretti is lying motionless on the ground, these two agents fire six more shots. Neither is under threat. [screaming] [gunfire, screaming] In total, the agents fire 10 shots in five seconds.

After the shooting, an agent kneeling next to Pretti’s body asks where the gun is — — showing that not all of the officers seem to know the weapon had been removed. Agents appear to begin giving medical aid. About 31 seconds elapsed from the time agents first physically engaged Pretti to the moment the last shot was fired.

 

[LibertyKid]

Trump knows it's a clusterfuck. That's is why he's ditched Bovino and brought in Homan

It appears that these clusters exist is blue states. Hmmm.

 

[struth]

It was his very actions that caused the situation.

And his very actions lead to his own demise.

1. Pretti was waving for cars to drive thru the BP operation while BP Officers were in the street.

2. The woman in the white jacket who was pushed did not have her back to the officer. As she approached the snow she turned around to face the officer, and it was at that point he shoved her to get her out of the street.

3. Pretti putting himself between the BP Agent and the woman, no matter how much it might be instinctual, is a crime.

4. "Pretti did not start it" – Pretti had a clear path to the sidewalk which is where he was headed, and he reversed and went back to engage the BP Officer. THAT is where Pretti “started it.”

5. What you really want to argue but you can’t bring yourself to say it is “He didn’t resist that much.” “His motives for interfering with the Officer’s efforts were well intentioned.” That’s not the law. The “degree” of resistant nor the goodness in the heart of the lawbreaker don’t turn crimes into non-crimes.

6. BP didn’t pursue “them” and shove “them.” One of the three turned around and faced the BP Officer, stopping in her tracks. The BP Officer shoved her. Pretti could have kept going – Pretti did not. That was PRETTI’S CHOICE.

7. The “Agents” didn’t remove the gun. One Agent removed the gun and immediately turned away and left. It is UNKNOWN if any other the others were aware. This came after one or more Agents yelled “GUN” – communicating to all they were engaged with an ARMED individual who was resisting their efforts to subdue him. When an agent yells "GUN" he doesn't yell "One Sig P320 9 mm, silver with white grips, in a holster in he small of his back". "GUN" simply means armed with a handugn.

8. It is not “speculation” what gun he had – it was a Sig P320 AXG COMBAT, and the P320 DOES have a problem with unintended discharges.

9. Law enforcement agents were not obligated to assume he had only one gun. They knew nothing about him. What they knew was 1) he was resisting, and 2) he had a firearm. That means he was “armed”. Taking one gun does not, by itself, mean he was thereafter “unarmed.” If you don’t understand that, then you don’t understand the law.​

It doesn’t matter he could have shot three officers and injured 2 civilians and the demafasict wouldn’t of cared

 

[struth]

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Wow, how’d that happen?

 

[Dr Grump]

So, illegal aliens are their electorate. Quite an admission.

1) How many illegals are there?
2) More importantly, unless you live there, why do you care?

The only reason the Orange Buffoon gives a shit is because he hates Walz. There are other states with much bigger illegal immigrant issues than Minnesota. And this Somali thing that has been blown way out of proportion. That's Minnesota's problem, not the US. I'm sure if it's as bad as you say it is, Minnesotan residents will let Walz know during election time.

 

[Dr Grump]

Jackass, their terror mob destroyed a hotel and two dozen cars.



The Somali fraud that Walz is running out of the governor's office.



ICE is doing a job the People want done.

Leftards are a TINY minority in this country, about 8%. They're loud and well funded but there aren't many of them.

The rest of America is concerned with our children. We don't give a rat's ass about gang banging illegal criminals.

You are beyond clueless. I'm done talking with dumbarses. I actually think you're either a bot, or a Russian/Chinese stooge. Nobody can be this dumb. Nobody.

 

[Dr Grump]

We hope to see yours go to prison first. Walz and Frey should be in prison already. I think the old sidestep is coming...again.

For what? What did they do?

 

[excalibur]

1) How many illegals are there?
2) More importantly, unless you live there, why do you care?

The only reason the Orange Buffoon gives a shit is because he hates Walz. There are other states with much bigger illegal immigrant issues than Minnesota. And this Somali thing that has been blown way out of proportion. That's Minnesota's problem, not the US. I'm sure if it's as bad as you say it is, Minnesotan residents will let Walz know during election time.

It was you who said "electorate".

The only people in danger from ICE, unless you are an idiot protester trying to protect them, are the illegals.

 

[struth]

1) How many illegals are there?
2) More importantly, unless you live there, why do you care?

The only reason the Orange Buffoon gives a shit is because he hates Walz. There are other states with much bigger illegal immigrant issues than Minnesota. And this Somali thing that has been blown way out of proportion. That's Minnesota's problem, not the US. I'm sure if it's as bad as you say it is, Minnesotan residents will let Walz know during election time.

How can we know how many illegals there are? Immigrant status is not allowed on the census

 

[scruffy]

You are beyond clueless. I'm done talking with dumbarses. I actually think you're either a bot, or a Russian/Chinese stooge. Nobody can be this dumb. Nobody.

Your surrender is noted.

Your inability to deal with the truth is noted.

Your leftard sensibilities are noted.

Meanwhile, life goes on. Arrests are finally being made. Pretty soon we'll see charges filed against the seditious leftards who sent Pretti to his death.

 

[Hafar1014]

I think we can all agree that when BP was disarmed, the communication of that disarmament was not clearly communicated. That guy took the gun and scampered off. Then we have someone yelling gun. Some people are claiming that BP was reaching and the act of reaching was assumed a weapon. Additional information has stated that he had multiple mags and if they were observed, while not knowing he had been previously disarmed, could have led to the "Gun Gun" statement, and then the shooting.

It's a tragic incident. Could have been entirely avoided had BP not interjected himself illegally into the affairs of federal agents. But he did, while armed. What's the phrase... A recipe for disaster. Decisions have consequences and sometimes those consequences go beyond what could have been perceived. That's what happened to BP. He wasn't out trying to harm ICE and ICE isn't tyring to kill citizens. Just a terrible recipe of choices that led to a terrible outcome.

The latest report from the Federal government supports this was an illegal use of deadly force. After He was disarmed there was no imminent threat. 5 seconds after the gun was taken away he was shot by two agents. There were no furtive movements, and he was restrained, violently resisting yes, but unarmed. The agents screwed up.

In context Pretti had a violent encounter a week before breaking his rib, went to the protest/riot with a loaded gun, and was looking to get even. An act of total stupidity. But the use of deadly force was not justified.

 

[Hafar1014]

I think we can all agree that when BP was disarmed, the communication of that disarmament was not clearly communicated. That guy took the gun and scampered off. Then we have someone yelling gun. Some people are claiming that BP was reaching and the act of reaching was assumed a weapon. Additional information has stated that he had multiple mags and if they were observed, while not knowing he had been previously disarmed, could have led to the "Gun Gun" statement, and then the shooting.

It's a tragic incident. Could have been entirely avoided had BP not interjected himself illegally into the affairs of federal agents. But he did, while armed. What's the phrase... A recipe for disaster. Decisions have consequences and sometimes those consequences go beyond what could have been perceived. That's what happened to BP. He wasn't out trying to harm ICE and ICE isn't tyring to kill citizens. Just a terrible recipe of choices that led to a terrible outcome.

The latest report in my opinion as a US Lawfare member was an illegal use of deadly force by ICE. After he was disarmed there was no imminent threat and would have been restrained.
In context Pretti was in a violent encounter a week before breaking his rib. He then went to a protest with a loaded gun and inserting himself into the conflict. Thats revenge as motive and there is intent. It still doesnt support him being shot. Only that his judgement was poor and his act was total stupidity