More evidence that more gun laws are not what is needed in the US

[krichton]

who's ranked higher? Chicago. most gun laws on the books. you even fail here.

And yet Texas more than doubles Illinois in gun deaths. Chicago does have tougher gun laws than Texas, but they don't have the most gun laws on the books. That's a myth. Not to mention that they border Indiana, which has very lax gun laws. If all you had to do was just cross the border to buy a gun, then how difficult is it to obtain one?

 

[2aguy]

LOL. Everything with you is fodder for hyper-partisanship and tribalism. Post some links to democrats changing sentencing rules for ppl who commit gun violence. I would love to read it actually.

If you commit a felony using a gun you're going away for some time. That's why they call it a felony. No one is committing a felony and facing no consequences, silly goose.

European governments murdered 15 million ppl after banning guns? What on earth are you talking about? lol. This is an example of a brain that has stopped working a long time ago and is now just replaying old propaganda talking points that make no sense at all other than to trigger more fools out there.

More....

The Left’s Phony War on Guns | National Review

Chicago has Wild West levels of homicide.

(Worse, in fact; the criminality and violence of the ungoverned West has been greatly exaggerated, and some of those old cow towns had lower per capita crime rates back when they had no formal government than they do today.)

Do you know what kind of crime illegal possession of a firearm is in the state of Illinois?

It is a misdemeanor.

A 2014 study conducted by the Chicago Sun-Times found that in most cases, Cook County judges handed down the minimum sentence for gun possession, and in most cases, the criminals ended up serving far less than that, doing only a few months.

Those charged with simple possession had an average of four prior arrests; those charged with the more serious crime of being a felon in possession of a firearm had an average of ten previous arrests.

Ten arrests, and the eleventh is for a gun-related crime.

One wonders how many undetected crimes are covered by such criminal careers.

Many in Illinois have argued that, given the state of crime there, stiffer sentences are warranted.

A bill was introduced to that end, and it was opposed by Democrats who argued that stiffer sentences for those actually committing crimes with guns would “unfairly target African-Americans,” as the Sun-Times put it.

The NRA, to its discredit, opposed that bill, too, arguing that the penalties for simple possession in absence of other criminal activity were too stiff.

But that’s an argument for liberalizing Illinois gun laws, not for forgoing the punishment of criminals.

The NRA did support harsher punishment for felons in possession of firearms, and for the use of firearms in crimes. Democrats have generally opposed them.

Chicago...

Downtown: Man on bond for gun charge accused of having another firearm during traffic crash

A man who was on bail while awaiting trial for illegal gun possession is charged with unlawful possession of another gun after paramedics allegedly found him sitting on a firearm, passed out behind the wheel of his car downtown.
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Prosecutors charged Alcala with aggravated unlawful use of a weapon and possession of a controlled substance.

In September, Alcala posted a $1,000 deposit bond to get out of jail after prosecutors charged him with another unlawful use of a weapon case, prosecutors said.

He was convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in 2017, according to the state.

Judge Charles Beach ordered Alcala held without bail for violating the terms of his September bail bond. Beach set bail in the new charge at $20,000 and ordered Alcala to go on electronic monitoring if he can post the mandatory 10% deposit bond.


Releasing 8,000 criminals in California....

Newsom Approves Plan to Release 8,000 Prisoners By August

If you live in California and feel safe inside your home during the coronavirus, that may soon change. Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom plans on releasing 8,000 inmates, some currently serving time for serious felonies, from the California prison system by August. Democrats like Newsom have always wanted to release prisoners, but the Wuhan coronavirus has now given them an ostensible reason to do so.

Newsom believes prisoners, who broke criminal laws, will observe CDC guidelines and practice social distancing out of concern for their fellow man. In all fairness, the freed prisoners will likely wear face masks inside banks and liquor stores.
Three separate efforts aimed at releasing 8,000 prisoners by the end of August were recently approved by the governor.
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Democrats attacks on the police....Heather macdonald...

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/07/the-minneapolis-effect.php

Most violent cities, from the Washington Post attempt to prove Trump wrong.....they proved him right......

Washington Post ‘Analysis’ Tries To Debunk Trump Claim On Violent Democrat Cities. It Proves Him Right. | The Daily Wire

The Post then included a graphic (featured below) in their report that showed that overall 17 out of the top 20 cities with the most violent crime have Democrat mayors, while two have independent mayors, and one has a Republican mayor.

The graphic also showed that per capita, Democrats controlled 19 out of the top 20 most violent cities with independents controlling one and Republicans controlling none.

New York...

NYC disbanded its anti-crime unit. Guess what happened next

Almost a week ago, following calls from the streets for “police reform” in New York City, Mayor Bill de Blasio and his Police Chief responded by disbanding the city’s more than 600-person plainclothes anti-crime unit. (Because your go-to move when facing a rolling series of riots and arson attacks is to dump your anti-crime unit.) That seemed to please at least some of the anti-cop activists and agitators while scaring the bejesus out of homeowners and small businesses.
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Shootings are surging this week in New York City, with 27 incidents and 36 victims reported since Monday — the day the NYPD disbanded its plainclothes anti-crime unit, The Post learned on Friday.
By comparison, the same week last year there were only 12 shootings for the entire week.
“This is what the politicians wanted — no bail, nobody in Rikers, cops not arresting anyone,” one angry law enforcement source said Friday.
“All those things equal people walking around on the street with guns, shooting each other.”

Who could possibly have predicted this? The shootings, all of which took place in less than a week, included at least four murders in Brooklyn, the Bronx and East New York. That last one probably shouldn’t be too much of a surprise, since East New York resembles a war zone on the best of days. But the others have been taking place in neighborhoods where crime levels have been far more under control for years.

Chicago......

Two men — including convicted murderer — charged in Lincoln Park looting

Stevenson and Harris are charged with felony burglary.
Stevenson has seven prior felony convictions and seven prior misdemeanor convictions, according to statements made in bond court. Judge Arthur Willis released him on a recognizance bond after noting that no one specifically identified Stevenson as someone who ran from the store with merchandise.
Harris, who received a 25-year sentence for first-degree murder in 1999, told police that he knew the boxes of shoes were stolen, prosecutors said. His public defender highlighted the fact that Harris only said he knew the shoes were stolen but did not admit to taking them or breaking into the store.
He has been sent to prison for three felony drug convictions since being paroled in the murder case — once for four years in 2014 and two concurrent three-year sentences in 2016, prosecutors said.
Harris also has a pending felony criminal damage to government property case.
Willis set Harris’ bail at $5,000 for the burglary charge. He also ordered Harris held without bail for violating the terms of his bond in the pending criminal damage case.

Baltimore..

Analysis of murder data in Baltimore: 82% of Victims have criminal record, 81% of suspects have criminal record, average victim had 10.8 arrests

Clearly neither the victims nor perpetrators of murders are “normal” people — both groups are overwhelmingly criminals. Sixty-five percent of murders occurred for unknown reasons, and there were only 86 suspects for these 348 murders. Fifty-nine percent of murders occurred on the street.
Homicides in Baltimore largely involve criminals killing criminals. 82% of Victims have criminal record. The average victim had 10.8 arrests, with 4.1 of those being drug offenses. Sixty-seven percent had an arrest record for drugs. Forty-four percent had an arrest record for gun crimes. Twenty-nine percent of victims were clearly known by the police to be members of “drug crews or gang” members. Obviously, some of those 18% who didn’t have an arrest record were probably also engaging in or suspected of criminal activity.
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Man fatally shot one victim, wounded another while free on recognizance bond and electronic monitoring, prosecutors say

It’s been 18 months since Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart warned that he was “alarmed” by the number of accused gun offenders who were being released on their own recognizance, sometimes with electronic monitoring.

“This needs to get fixed quick,” Dart told the Sun-Times in Feb. 2018.

It hasn’t been fixed.

Yesterday, 18-year-old Antwane Lashley was in bond court, accused of shooting a man to death on Aug. 23. Prosecutors say he also shot and seriously wounded a woman at the same time. Lashley has been free on his own recognizance with electronic monitoring since prosecutors charged him with possessing a handgun illegally this spring.

Cook County Board President Toni Preckwinkle wasted no time criticizing Dart’s concerns last year.

“I believe it is our responsibility to keep these matters in context and not contribute to sensationalizing them,” Preckwinkle told Dart in a letter days later.

As recently as Friday, Preckwinkle called concerns about people committing violent crimes while free on affordable bail, a “fear tactic.” She has also defended easy bail conditions for gun possession. Some people who live in less-safe neighborhoods feel the need to carry guns for their own protection, she says.

A gun, freedom, then a murder
Around 7:30 p.m. on May 20th, cops in Humboldt Park saw Antwane Lashley walking quickly on the 3800 block of West Chicago. He saw police nearby and began running, holding his right pocket as he fled, a police spokesperson said last night.

Lashley took a handgun out of his pocket, threw it, and kept running, the spokesperson said. Officers caught him nearby while other cops retrieved the gun he allegedly threw.

Prosecutors charged Lashley with felony aggravated unlawful use of a weapon. He appeared in court the next afternoon and was set free on his own recognizance with an order to go onto electronic monitoring, according to court records.

Then, last Friday, Neal Sumrell and a woman were sitting in a car on the 4200 block of West Iowa in Humboldt Park. Around 8:15 p.m., someone walked up to their vehicle and opened fire. Sumrell, 34, was shot seven times in the upper body. He died. The woman tried to run away, police said. She was shot three times throughout her body, but managed to survive.

Lashley—on juvenile probation for aggravated battery causing great bodily harm—was arrested at his home Thursday evening, just one block from the murder scene. Police say he’s the gunman who killed Sumrell and injured the 28-year-old woman who tried to run away.

Prosecutors yesterday charged Lashley with first-degree murder, attempted first-degree murder, and aggravated battery by discharging a firearm. Judge Mary Marubio ordered him held without bail.

“Victims deserve better,” said Anthony Guglielmi, the police department’s chief communications officer early Sunday. “We are going to continue to be the voice for those who have been silenced by gun violence.”

Not the first
Lashley is hardly the first person to be accused of killing or trying to kill someone while free on the county's affordable bail program. Among similar cases reported by CWBChicago:

In May 2018, Daryl Williams was charged with fatally shooting a man in the back of the head. He was free on a recognizance bond at the time while awaiting trial for allegedly possessing a stolen firearm the previous November.

In June of last year, Carnell Morris was charged with being an armed habitual criminal after police said they found a gun in his car. He posted a $1,000 bond. Six months later, while awaiting trial for the gun case, Morris was charged with attempted murder after he allegedly shot a 51-year-old man.

Just three months ago, repeat gun offender Antawan Smith was charged with murdering a 15-year-old. He was free on a $6,000 deposit bond while awaiting trial for allegedly being an armed habitual criminal.

In Delaware, 71% of gun charges are dropped

From 2012 to 2014, more than 11,700 felony weapon charges were filed in Delaware, and in most cases, the weapon was a gun. Yet, 71 percent of those charges disappeared before trials began.
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Chicago.....

Man on house arrest for gun offense shoots, kills teen from outside his home: prosecutors

A man on house arrest for carrying a gun without a license allegedly shot and killed a 15-year-old boy who lived across the street from his Lawndale home, Cook County prosecutors say.
Dequawn Little, 21, was allegedly close enough to his electronic monitoring box, located in the dining room of the house, that he didn’t trigger a violation, according to a bond proffer prepared by the Cook County state’s attorney’s office.



Little faces a count of first-degree murder in an April 8 shooting of Demetrius Hardy, prosecutors said.

At the time of the shooting, Little was on electronic home monitoring for a December 2019 charge of carrying a loaded gun without a Firearm Owners Identification card, court records show. He has pleaded not guilty in that case

Top cop laments violence as 66 shot, 5 fatally, over long Fourth of July weekend


Between last Wednesday and Friday, 42 people were charged with felony gun-related offenses, he said, but only 15 remain in custody.



That lack of accountability for gun offenders has damaged the Police Department’s relationship with the communities most beset by violence, Johnson said, making victims of crimes less likely to cooperate with officers.
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“It’s not about mass incarceration. It’s not about having quotas. But when somebody has a demonstrated track record of being a violent gun offender, that should say something to the judges who are making decisions about bail. They shouldn’t be out on the street,” Lightfoot said. “We can’t keep our communities safe if people just keep cycling through the system because what that says to them is, I can do whatever I want, I can carry whatever I want, I can shoot up a crowd and I’m going to be back on the street. How does that make sense? It doesn’t.”
Criminal Justice Reform Comes Home to Roost
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[2aguy]

And yet Texas more than doubles Illinois in gun deaths. Chicago does have tougher gun laws than Texas, but they don't have the most gun laws on the books. That's a myth. Not to mention that they border Indiana, which has very lax gun laws. If all you had to do was just cross the border to buy a gun, then how difficult is it to obtain one?

More...you doofus....''

CWB Chicago: You Be The Judge: We give you the case details. You try to guess their bail amount.

McKay was sentenced to four years for robbery in 2008; two years for aggravated unlawful use of a weapon (firearm) in 2010; seven years for being a felon in possession of a weapon (firearm) in 2012; and three years for possession of fentanyl in 2016.
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For McKay, who has two gun convictions and a robbery conviction, Willis set bail at….$5,000. McKay will need to put down a 10% deposit of $500 to go free. Willis also ordered him to go on electronic monitoring if he is released.

Some details that Willis did not know:
• McKay’s 2008 robbery conviction involved an armed carjacking. Prosecutors reduced the charge to “ordinary” robbery as part of a plea deal.• In 2012, McKay’s second gun case also included allegations that he fired the weapon. Prosecutors dropped the weapon discharge count and seven other weapons charges in a plea deal.• The 2016 drug possession charge started as allegations of manufacture-delivery of fentanyl, but, again, prosecutors pleaded that down to possession.
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Detroit 911: Thousands in crisis left waiting for Detroit police

A 7 Action News investigation reveals that, over a 20-month period, 650 priority one calls took more than 60 minutes to receive a response. The calls include reports of active shootings, rapes in progress, felonious assaults, armed robberies, armed attacks from the mentally ill and suicides in progress.
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Under DA Krasner, more gun-possession cases get court diversionary program
In June 2018, Maalik Jackson-Wallace was arrested on a Frankford street and charged with carrying a concealed gun without a license and a gram of marijuana. It was his first arrest.
The Philadelphia District Attorney’s Office recommended the Frankford man for a court diversionary program called Accelerated Rehabilitative Disposition (ARD) that put him on two years’ probation. His record could have been expunged if he had successfully completed the program.
But Jackson-Wallace, 24, was arrested again on gun-possession charges in March in Bridesburg. He was released from jail after a judge granted a defense motion for unsecured bail. And on June 13, he was arrested a third time — charged with murder in a shooting two days earlier in Frankford that killed a 26-year-old man.
Jackson-Wallace’s case has been cited by some on social media as an example of how they say District Attorney Larry Krasner’s policies are too lenient and lead to gun violence.


In fact, statistics obtained from the DA’s Office show that in 2018, Krasner’s first year in office, 78 gun-possession cases were placed in the ARD program — compared with just 12 such diversions in gun-possession cases the previous year, 11 in 2016, 14 in 2015. and 10 in 2014.
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Officials Address 'Vicious Cycle' Of I-Bond Violations After Violent Weekend

Many of the gun offenders arrested by Chicago police over the weekend walked out of jail on bond, without having to pay a dime.

As of Monday morning, 19 people had been arrested on gun-related charges. By Monday afternoon, 11 were back on the street, some with prior gun offenses.

“We know who a lot of these people are,” Chicago Police Supt. Eddie Johnson said. “And how do we know that? Because we keep arresting them over and over and over and over and over again. And it’s just a vicious cycle.”

In a tweet Sunday night, a Chicago police spokesperson criticized the practice of letting gun offenders out on Individual Recognizance Bonds or “I-Bonds.”
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The tweet said, in part, “Letting gun offenders out on I-Bonds shows there is absolutely no repercussion for carrying illegal guns In Chicago.”
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In a statement, an office representative said since the beginning of this year, 72% of gun related cases received monetary bail or no bond.
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http://www.cwbchicago.com/2019/05/man-connected-to-whitney-young-high.html

The man who is charged with driving the carjacked SUV of a Whitney Young High School teacher this week is on probation for possessing a handgun—a probation term that was cut in half just three weeks ago by a Cook County judge.

The CPD arrest report that documents the capture of Nicholas Williams on Tuesday says cops and federal agents found Williams “in possession” of a loaded 9-millimeter handgun with a defaced serial number. But, a source with knowledge of the case told CWBChicago tonight that the gun was “ditched” and weapons charges could not be approved.

The Cook County State’s Attorney’s Office did not immediately respond to an after-hours email seeking comment.

Court records show that in Aug. 2017 Williams was charged with felony unlawful use of a weapon for allegedly carrying a handgun in the front of his waistband during a traffic stop on the West Side. Police said in a report that the gun had been reported stolen one month earlier.

A grand jury returned a 12 felony count true bill against Williams. But the Cook County State’s Attorney dropped all charges on May 3, 2018.

Five months after that case was dropped, Williams was charged with a new set of eight weapons felonies for allegedly carrying a handgun in the front of his waistband while riding his bike on the West Side.

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Last month, Judge Maria Kuriakos-Ciesil sentenced Williams to two year’s probation, 30 hours of community service and 175 days time served in the case.

His attorneys asked for a reduced sentence and, on April 29th, Kuriakos-Ciesil granted the motion by reducing Williams’ punishment to one year of TASC probation and 30 hours of community service.

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14 year old shot two men, released without bond or home confinement...


Cook County, IL: 14-Year-Old Charged With Shooting Two, Freed Without Supervision - The Truth About Guns

Welcome to Cook County, Illinois, where crime often has no meaningful consequences. Between a State’s Attorney’s Office reluctant to file charges and judges who mollycoddles defendants, Chicagoland has become the modern Wild West.

Case in point: a 14-year-old who (reportedly) shot and tried to kill two in a nice uptown neighborhood was released by a judge Friday to his parent with no bond – not even electronic home monitoring.


The Cook County judge claims the police failed to bring this suspected would-be gang killer (pictured above, right) in front of a judge quickly enough. So the judge, in order to penalize the police, released the kid without conditions other than to report to court next week.

Of course, the judge is really only penalizing the community as the accused certainly missed his calling as a choir boy.

The police, on the other hand, said they had concerns about the young man’s safety. Police released images of the suspects to the media in an effort to identify them and the media published them.

The Chicago mainstream media refer to the accused as a “boy.” Even though this “boy”reportedly shot one man in the back, abdomen, buttocks and groin and the other in the head.
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16 year old shooter released on 10,000 bond.....Cuomo's Raise the age bill for family court let this shooter go free on bail...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/44304/case-16-year-old-accused-shooting-bronx-street-hank-berrien

Bronx Supreme Court Justice John Collins made Garcia’s release contingent on either $10,000 bail or $25,000 bond, he made bail and he was freed. As The New York Post explains, “The law already guarantees that he can’t be held in a jail that also houses adults — and if convicted, his sentencing judge would have to take his age into account.”
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On Monday, prosecutor Daniel Defilippi indicated he would try to stop the case from being transferred to Family Court. Assemblywoman Nicole Malliotakis, referring to the case as a “prime example” of the problems with the Raise the Age bill, said, “One of the things we brought up during debate was how this encourages gang recruitment. Gangs can recruit young people to do dirty work because they won’t be treated the same when caught.
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Residents of the neighborhood acknowledged that the neighborhood has become a frightening place to live; one said, “We don’t go out. We don’t go to the park. I keep my kids in the house. We’re scared.” Another commented, “People don’t feel safe. People shooting in the street like that? No one is safe.” A third commented of the young girl, “She is lucky. Like an angel is watching over her because she was really close.”

”DC Won’t Allow Concealed Carry, But Takes It Easy On Armed, Violent Criminals

The problems stem from the city’s Youth Rehabilitation Act, legislation implemented in the 1980s to provide leniency to criminal offenders under the age of 22, even violent ones, with murder convictions being the only exception. It allows judges to disregard mandatory minimums meant to dissuade criminals, often to disastrous effects. The homicide rate spiked by 54 percent in the District in 2015, and 22 of the murderers were previously sentenced for crimes under the Youth Rehabilitation Act, according to an investigation by The Washington Post.

A man released on probation in 2015 under the law was involved in the July shooting death of Deeniquia Dodds, a transgender man. Just over 120 people previously sentenced under the Youth Rehabilitation Act have subsequently been convicted of murder since 2010.

“I knew they were going to let me off easy,” Tavon Pinkney, an 18-year old convicted of homicide in 2015, told The Washington Post regarding his previous sentencing under the youth law. “Nothing changed … They just gave me the Youth Act and let me go right back out there. They ain’t really care.”

4/20/18

Democrats in Chicago want to replace guards w/therapists

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...ers-grapple-with-school-safety-after-parkland

SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (AP) — Some Illinois lawmakers want to give extra money to schools that replace armed security officers with unarmed social workers and behavior therapists, an approach to safety that's far different than a national push to add police or arm teachers following a mass shooting at a Florida high school.
Rep. Emanuel "Chris" Welch, a Hillside Democrat, said he proposed the plan after hearing from advocates who argue that investing in mental health resources is the best way of treating the epidemic of violence.
His plan, which is backed by 16 other Democrats in the House, would allow schools to apply to an optional grant if they promise to reallocate funding for school-based law enforcement to mental health services, including social workers or other practices "designed to promote school safety and healthy environments."


3/27/18
ACLU effect on gun murder in Chicago..
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...c-monitoring-sheriff-dart-20180222-story.html
Study: Chicago homicides spiked due to ACLU police decree

Cassell and Fowles have studied the spike of homicides in Chicago in 2016. Through multiple regression analysis and other tools, they conclude that an ACLU consent decree triggered a sharp reduction in stop and frisks by the Chicago Police Department, which in turn caused homicides to spike. In other words, what Chicago police officers call the“ACLU effect” is real. That effect was more homicides and shootings.

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Detailed regression analysis of the homicide (and related shooting) data strongly supports what visual observation suggests. Using monthly data from 2012 through 2016, we are able to control for such factors as temperature, homicides in other parts of Illinois, 9-1-1 calls (as a measure of police-citizen cooperation), and arrests for various types of crimes.


Even controlling for these factors, our equations indicate that the steep decline in stop and frisks was strongly linked, at high levels of statistical significance, to the sharp increase in homicides (and other shooting crimes) in 2016.

Cassell and Fowles then searched for other possible factors that might be responsible for the Chicago homicide spike. None fit the data as well as the decline in stop and frisks.

Cassell and Fowles quantified the costs of the decline in stop and frisks in human and financial terms.


They found that, because of fewer stop and frisks in 2016, a conservative estimate is that approximately 236 additional homicides and 1115 additional shootings occurred during that year.


A reasonable estimate of the social costs associated with these additional homicides and shootings is about $1,500,000,000. And these costs are heavily concentrated in Chicago’s African-American and Hispanic communities.

3/15/18

Obama DOJ Forced FBI To Delete 500,000 Fugitives From Background Check Database

The Justice Department under Barack Obama directed the FBI to drop more than 500,000 names of fugitives with outstanding arrest warrants from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, acting FBI deputy director David Bowdich testified Wednesday.

Fugitives from justice are barred from buying a firearm under federal law. But what is a fugitive from justice? That definition has been under debate by the FBI and the ATF.

According to The Washington Post, the FBI considered any person with an outstanding arrest warrant to be a fugitive. On the other hand, the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives defined a fugitive as someone who has an outstanding arrest warrant and has crossed state lines.

That disagreement was settled at the end of Obama’s second term, when the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel sided with the ATF’s interpretation. Under President Donald Trump, the DOJ defined a fugitive as a person who went to another state to dodge criminal prosecution or evade giving testimony in criminal court, and implemented the Office of Legal Counsel’s decision. The decision meant that around half a million fugitives were removed from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System.

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Dart warns of 'dramatic increase' in people charged with gun crimes released on electronic monitors

Dart sees 'alarming' rise in gun defendants freed on electronic monitoring

Judges have treated felony gun charges in a dramatically different way since the reforms were implemented, according to data from the sheriff's office.

Over a nearly four-month period in 2016, judges gave out cash-based bonds in nearly 96 percent of felony gun cases and released just 2 percent on electronic monitors. In the 10 weeks after the bond order took effect in September, though, the number of cash-based bonds for gun cases plummeted to about 40 percent, while those freed on the electronic bracelets jumped to 22 percent.

The amount set for bonds also sharply fell on average, from nearly $134,000 in 2016 to almost $22,000 in 2017, according to the analysis.

By contrast, judges also boosted how often they ordered no bond for those charged with felony gun offenses, to more than 9 percent in 2017, compared with no cases at all in 2016, the analysis showed.

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Dart, along with Preckwinkle and other elected county officials, has been a vocal opponent of the cash-bond system in which judges require defendants to put down money to secure their release from jail while awaiting trial.

Critics say the system unfairly punishes the poor and that defendants charged with violent offenses who sometimes have easy access to cash because of gang ties can be back out on the street within days.

In July, as part of the reform push, Chief Judge Timothy Evans announced that judges would be required to set bail only in amounts that defendants could afford to pay in an effort to ensure that people charged with nonviolent crimes weren’t languishing in jail simply because they didn’t have the cash, sometimes only a few hundred dollars, to post for bond.

======The democrat prosecutor let this monster loose.......

But Democrat State’s Attorney Julia Reitz cut a deal to let Robbie Patton, a sociopathic predator who will never contribute anything but sewage and sadness to our society, avoid serving hard time for attempted murder.

It’s true. Bad guys in prison don’t victimize the innocent. Florida had proven success with 10-20-Life sentencing enhancements for the use of a firearmwhile committing a violent crime. A court struck down the law in 2016. Under the law, Florida’s firearmviolent crime rate plummeted to the lowest levels in the Sunshine State’s recorded history.


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John Boch: Lock Them Up! - The Truth About Guns

When you lock up violent criminals, you prevent them from victimizing other innocents. Crime in America dipped almost 50%after America abandoned “soft on crime” attitudes of the 1970s. Of course, many soft-on-crime politicians like Reitz have once more taken a love to “diversion” programs. And that’s how we get Robbie Patton (above), a local crime celebrity of sorts.

In 2015, he had an altercation at a Champaign Steak ‘n Shake restaurant commonly frequented by my friends and me. While none of us were enjoying a milkshake or steakburger at 5:30pm, Robbie was.

Robbie found himself in an altercation inside the restaurant. He felt one of his friends had been “disrespected”, so little Robbie went outside. He waited for the other group to emerge, pulled out of gun and tried to kill those other people.

He missed, and fled the scene with an Illinois State Trooper in hot pursuit. After a short, high-speed chase in a stolen car, Robbie crashed and escaped on foot.

Cops caught up with him. Local prosecutor Julia Reitz then went soft on little Robbie. She let him go to “boot camp”, even though that sentencing option is not supposed to be available for violent offenders. And squeezing off a bunch of shots at other people, trying to kill them, pretty much fits the bill as a violent crime.

After serving eight months on an eight-year sentence, Robbie returned to the streets of Champaign-Urbana. In less than two days, cops arrested him again for drugs and who knows what else. Not even three weeks after that, he’s illegally got agun. When someone “disrespects” another one of Robbie’s friends, guess what he does? He pulls out the gun and fires shots at those he believes responsible.




He misses his intended targets, but in the busy University of Illinois campustown district, his errant, not-so-late-night rounds found four innocent people within a block or two. George Korchev, the recent nursing school graduate due to start his career as a registered nurse at a hospital in Libertyville, IL, the following Monday morning, was struck and killed a blockaway from one of Robbie’s bullets.

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[jc456]

And yet Texas more than doubles Illinois in gun deaths. Chicago does have tougher gun laws than Texas, but they don't have the most gun laws on the books. That's a myth. Not to mention that they border Indiana, which has very lax gun laws. If all you had to do was just cross the border to buy a gun, then how difficult is it to obtain one?

Europe has those Australia has those and people still committed murder.

Just say our loud that you are for killing law abiding people

 

[krichton]

doesn't mean the criminal won't still kill,. You believe you can deter a killer by removing a gun and then they turn and thank you for making it easier to kill.

one can't treat your kind of stupid.

No one is claiming a criminal won't kill just because they don't have a gun. But it's a simple fact of logic that it'll be much harder to do so, in terms of frequency, ease and on a mass scale. Just open your eyes and look at the records of countries that don't have a gun issue.

 

[jc456]

No one is claiming a criminal won't kill just because they don't have a gun. But it's a simple fact of logic that it'll be much harder to do so, in terms of frequency, ease and on a mass scale. Just open your eyes and look at the records of countries that don't have a gun issue.

Darrell Brooks killed six with an suv

 

[krichton]

You are an idiot...

Every year, Chicago police officers arrest hundreds of people for violating the city’s gun-offender registration ordinance, a law that requires anyone convicted of gun-related violence or illegal gun possession to go to police headquarters yearly and register their home addresses.

But it’s rare that anyone is punished for failing to comply with the law, modeled on similar measures that were credited with helping reduce crime elsewhere.

That’s according to a Chicago Sun-Times analysis that found most of those cases get dismissed in court — and that’s typically done at the request of lawyers representing City Hall.

Take Devaughn Levi. He was arrested three times in early 2020 for failing to register as a gun offender. But each of those misdemeanor cases was dropped at city lawyers’ request, court records show. Levi is now in jail, charged with felony gun-possession.

To get an idea of how the law is enforced, the Sun-Times examined 33 gun-offender registry arrests that were made in January 2020. In one of those cases, a man got fined $500 — violations carry a possible penalty of a $300-to-$500 fine and six months in jail. All of the other cases were dropped at the request of attorneys for the city.

“The gun-offender registry is BS. What a colossal waste of resources,” says Ald. Matt O’Shea (19th), whose Southwest Side ward is the home of many Chicago police officers. “Who are we kidding? Gun offenders at every level aren’t getting prosecuted. In my opinion, it’s a waste of time. It creates a lot of useless paperwork.”

Chicago requires convicted gun criminals to register, makes arrests but won’t prosecute violators

Demetris Johnson made headlines in 2011 when he was 16-years-old. That’s when prosecutors charged him as an adult with shooting a man to death in a parking lot near his home. A jury later acquitted him.
As an adult, Johnson continued to rack up cases. He was convicted of illegal gun possession twice in 2015. And he just became the fifth person charged with killing or shooting someone in Chicago this year while on bail for a serious felony case.
Johnson was on bail and was wearing an electronic monitoring bracelet for pending armed habitual criminal and escape cases when he shot and killed Gino Dameron, age 26, last Wednesday in the 3500 block of South Cottage Grove, prosecutors said.
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Police said Johnson was wearing a Cook County Sheriff’s Office electronic monitoring ankle bracelet at the time of his arrest.
According to prosecutors, Johnson was on electronic monitoring for a pending gun-case even though he escaped from electronic monitoring once before while on bail in the matter.

#5: Man charged with murder while on bail for 3rd gun case and escape

Chicago...

A 29-year-old man told police that another passenger lunged at him as he sat on a Blue Line train around 6:50 a.m. on December 4, 2019. The offender began punching the victim in the head and face, then took property from the victim before exiting the train car at LaSalle, police said.
That’s when a good Samaritan intercepted the alleged robber and forced him to lie on the platform at gunpoint until police arrived, according to witnesses and details provided by police.
Prosecutors charged 29-year-old Michael Oliver with robbery in the case. Now, Oliver has pleaded guilty in exchange for a sentence of two years probation in the case, which was overseen by Judge Ursula Walowski.
Probation for a robbery charge is not a bad deal. Maybe he got lucky after all.
Man gets probation in CTA robbery foiled by concealed carry holder

Chicago..

Prosecutors on Wednesday charged a Little Village man with murder for his alleged role in the slaying of a man he perceived to be a rival gang member over the weekend. At the time of the killing, Xavier Encarnacion was out of jail on an affordable bail bond for his third gun case.
Encarnacion is the fourth person charged with murder or shooting someone in Chicago this year while on affordable bail for a serious felony.

On May 24, Encarnacion was charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm. Judge David Navarro set his bail at $10,000, meaning Encarnacion posted only $1,000 to get out of jail.
Encarnacion was also charged on January 13 with failing to comply with the violent gun offender registry. He went home on a recognizance bond in that case.
Murphy said Encarnacion received a four-year sentence for attempted unlawful use of a weapon by a felon in 2018 and three years for unlawful use of a weapon by a gang member in 2014.

#4: Man on affordable bail for his 3rd felony gun case is charged with weekend murder


Chicago....

Prosecutors on Friday charged a fourth person with killing retired Chicago Fire Dept. Lt. Dwain Williams during a botched carjacking on December 3.
Like one of the other defendants, Jalen Saulsberry has a violent juvenile history and was free on a recognizance bond for gun charges and for possessing a stolen motor vehicle at the time of Williams’ murder.
Saulsberry is at least the 34th person to be charged with shooting or killing someone in Chicago last year while on affordable bail for another serious felony, according to CWBChicago research. Those 34 defendants are accused of killing or shooting a total of 37 people.
During Saulsberry’s bail hearing Friday, Assistant State’s Attorney James Murphy said the four defendants trailed Williams in traffic as the 65-year-old drove to a popcorn shop. The group allegedly parked nearby while Williams shopped, then moved in to take his car as he emerged from the store.
Surveillance video of the crime shows Saulsberry getting out of the front passenger seat and moving toward Williams with a gun in his hand along with another armed offender, Murphy said.
Another man, free on bail for two felonies, charged with killing retired fireman in botched carjacking

Chicago...

A Chicago man who turned 18 last spring fatally shot his girlfriend while on affordable bail and electronic monitoring for illegally possessing a firearm in November, prosecutors said Wednesday.

He is the second person to be accused of killing another person in Chicago while on bail for serious felonies in 2021.

Last February, Antwon Derrington received 18-months juvenile probation for two robberies he allegedly committed as a minor. Nine months later, on November 6, prosecutors charged him as an adult with unlawful use of a weapon after police allegedly found a loaded handgun in his car.

#2: Man fatally shot girlfriend while on electronic monitoring for November gun case, prosecutors say


Chicago......
Welcome to the first 2021 installment of “Not Horrible,” our ongoing series of reports about people who have been charged with committing serious and violent crimes while on bail for other serious and violent crimes.

We borrowed the name “Not Horrible” from a statement Cook County Chief Judge Timothy Evans made during budget hearings on November 4, 2019: “It’s not by magic that we haven’t had any horrible incidents occur using this new [affordable bail] system.”

So far, CWB reporters have identified 32 people who were charged with committing murder, attempted murder, or aggravated battery with a firearm while free on bail for serious felonies in 2020. Four of the accused men are charged with shooting, and sometimes killing, more than one person.

But the actual number of killings and shootings committed by persons on bail is almost certainly much higher. As of the new year, arrests have been made in just 27% of Chicago’s 2020 murders and 2.7% (Yes. Two point seven percent) of non-fatal shootings, according to CPD data.
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One of those persons is Devin Barron, 20, who collected five convictions as a juvenile and was free on bond for four pending cases at the time of Williams’ murder. One of those pending cases was for a home invasion and kidnapping just five weeks before Williams was killed.

Prosecutors said video shows Barron getting out of the rear passenger seat of a car moments before he shot Williams. According to the state’s allegations, Barron had three guns when police caught up with him.

Murder and more
Antonio Reyes, 17, was given three years probation in juvenile court for aggravated robbery and aggravated battery in December 2019. When he allegedly shot a man last month, he had four more juvenile cases pending — for armed robbery, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, unlawful use of a weapon, and a narcotics case — prosecutors said.

Prosecutors have also charged him as an adult with killing a man last summer and, they say, he’s suspected of participating in a third shooting.

Assistant State’s Attorney Kevin Deboni said last month that Reyes shot 26-year-old Davalos Garcia as Garcia waited for his girlfriend to come out of her house on June 24, 2020.

About four hours after Garcia’s murder, a car similar to the one used by his killer was involved in another shooting, but both of the victims in that case survived. Investigators tracked a temporary license plate on the car to an auto body shop that sold the vehicle to the mother of Reyes’ child four days before the murder, Deboni said, but no charges have yet been filed.
At least 32 people charged with murder in Chicago last year were free on bail at the time of the killings



Chicago...

A Chicago man was charged Saturday with the attempted murder of an off-duty police officer just after noon New Year’s Day on the West Side. The alleged murder attempt unfolded just two weeks after a judge released the accused man on “affordable bail” for being a felon in possession of a firearm and resisting police.
Jermaine Morris, 34, is also a “person of interest” in yet another shooting, according to a CPD statement. Detectives are currently seeking charges in that case, police said.

CPD: Man tried to kill off-duty cop 2 weeks after getting "affordable bail" in gun case


New York....

Shootings are up nearly 96% in the first eleven months of this year. In November alone, there were 115 shootings — a 112% increase from the same time last year.

There were also 28 murders last month, driving the murder rate up 38%.

The commisssioner blamed part of the rise on bail reform measures implemented earlier in the year.

“We have made staggering numbers of gun arrests, taking guns off the streets from felons, doing it almost always without a shot being fired. But when you look three days later, four days later, those individuals are back on the street committing more gun violence,” Police Commissioner Dermot Shea told NY1.

NYPD Commissioner: City will End 2020 on 14-Year High for Shootings


Chicago......

A suspected double-murderer who sparked an Amber Alert across Chicagoland on Friday evening is on bail for allegedly killing a woman while fleeing police and for two separate Class X felony armed habitual criminal gun crimes.
Clarence Hebron, 32, had been held without bail on those cases for over a year until a Cook County judge agreed to release him on just $15,000 bond in July.
Hebron has not been charged with Friday’s murder of 26-year-old Jessica Beal and her brother in Riverdale, but police identified him as the suspect in an Amber Alert after Beal’s 1-year-old boy went missing following the homicides. The boy has since been located.
Incredibly, Hebron was also on bail for the two armed habitual criminal cases when he allegedly killed a woman while fleeing police in April last year.

Two gun cases, two bail bonds, then homicide​

Hebron is awaiting trial for two separate major gun cases in which he is charged with a total of two counts of Class X armed habitual criminal, five counts of being a felon in possession of a firearm, and four counts of aggravated unlawful use of a weapon by a felon, according to the Cook County sheriff’s office.
In early 2019, Chicago police and federal agents raided Hebron’s home and recovered a firearm, a source said. Hebron wasn’t home at the time, but his girlfriend and newborn baby were. Police eventually found him, and prosecutors charged him in the case.
The second gun case also started in early 2019. In that incident, cops allegedly found a gun in Hebron’s car after he crashed the vehicle while police followed him on the South Side. He got away, but officers later arrested him at work, according to CPD records.
Hebron was released on bail for both cases.
Just a couple of months later, Hebron again sped away from officers when they tried to stop him for a traffic violation in Englewood on the afternoon of April 18, 2019.
Prosecutors say he crashed his car into a vehicle driven by 32-year-old Dana Hubbard. She died a few days later. He’s charged with reckless homicide by motor vehicle, aggravated fleeing causing bodily injury, and driving on a revoked license resulting in injury or death. A judge ordered him held without bail.
Hebron remained in jail without bail for over a year until his lawyer filed a motion to reduce bail in late June. Three days later, Cook County Judge Dennis Porter slashed Hebron’s bail to $50,000 on each of the three cases.
Suspected double-murderer who sparked Amber Alert is on bail for reckless homicide and 2 gun cases


Chicago....

Prosecutors last week said a five-time convicted felon got a gun and shot another man over the summer while free on “affordable bail” in an armed habitual criminal case. It’s the latest example of people being accused of committing violent crime while on bail for allegations of other gun or violent crimes.

Here’s that story and a couple of other cases our team discovered.

Shooting over Xanax bill
Last November, Judge Mary Marubio ordered five-time felon Cameron Johnson to be held without bail after prosecutors charged him with armed violence and resisting police. Two months later, another judge allowed Johnson to go home on electronic monitoring by posting a $500 deposit bond.

Johnson was supposed to still be electronically monitored on August 2 when police saw him brandish a handgun and shoot another man, according to prosecutors. The alleged victim suffered a graze wound to his left arm.

Detectives found surveillance footage from the 4000 block of West Madison that allegedly shows Johnson getting out of the driver’s seat of a car and arguing with the victim before Johnson drew a gun from his waistband. The victim walked to his own car nearby and pulled out his own gun, but never raised it toward Johnson, prosecutors said. At that point, Johnson fired several shots while bystanders, including a small child, were enjoying a summer afternoon on the street, according to prosecutors.

The victim stopped cooperating with police, but cops tracked Johnson down this month. Detectives said he admitted to possessing a firearm and arguing with the victim’s brother about payment for some Xanax.

Prosecutors last week charged him with armed habitual criminal and aggravated assault by discharging a firearm. Marubio once again ordered him held without bail.

On bail, shooting at cops
When Demetrius Williams allegedly fired shots at on-duty cops in the Chatham neighborhood over the summer, he was already awaiting trial for being a felon in possession of a weapon.

In September 2019, a witness pointed cops toward Williams as officers responded to a call of a person with a gun in the 8200 block of South Cottage Grove. Police stopped Williams and allegedly found a loaded gun in his waistband.

Police advised him of his right to remain silent, but Williams admitted to buying the gun on the street in Indiana about three months earlier and said he carries it for personal protection, cops said. The alleged admission was recorded by a CPD body camera.

Judge Susana Ortiz allowed Williams, age 25, to go home by putting down a $300 bond.

In August, while still on bail for the pending gun case, Williams was charged with firing a gun at a Chicago police sergeant who tried to stop him as he ran from a store, prosecutors said. Police returned fire but did not strike Williams.

Even more men charged with shooting guns while on "affordable bail" for other gun crimes

Rochester, New York....

“I’m not surprised by the violence that’s been taking place,” Umbrino said at the Sunday press conference (full video below). “You know, I’m going to get in trouble, probably, for this, but if I hear one more politician talk about what we need to do to stop the violence; we need more gun laws, we need this, we need that — quite frankly, I’m going to vomit. These people who say that have no idea what they are talking about.”

“We have a lot of gun laws currently on the books that we don’t enforce. I shouldn’t say we don’t enforce — we enforce them, but you have individuals locked up for illegal hand guns, and being released from custody the next day,” he explained. “That’s disgusting. How does that happen?”
“So, if anybody is surprised that there’s been an uptick in violence, since we don’t enforce the current gun laws that we have, I don’t know what to tell ya. But those are the fact,” Umbrino continued. “These politicians that wanna say we need more gun laws, we need this, we need that, do me a favor: just stop talking, because you really don’t know what you’re talking about.”
“Come and ask anybody that lives in these neighborhoods,” the police captain said. “I’ve had conversations over the last three weeks with dozens of people who live in these neighborhoods … They don’t believe any of the stuff you’re saying. There needs to be accountability.”

RPD Capt. UNLOADS On Dem Policies Following Mass Shooting: ‘Going To Vomit’ If I Hear One More Politician Talk Gun Laws | The Daily Wire

New York......
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As the Daily News reported, nearly half of all people accused of gun possession from March 16 to Aug. 17 were set loose without bail. Something tells me that a person carrying around an illegal gun has an intent to use it, can easily get another one, and is not at all afraid of catching the coronavirus. And Shea also reports that 160 gun arrests were made last week, a 25-year high.
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In fact, it seems easier to get a gun illegally here than to get approved for a license or permit and purchase one, as evidence by the recent eruption in firearm violence in our streets.

If we are the most anti-gun big city in America, how could we allow the number of shootings in 2020 to have already surpassed the number of shootings in 2019, with four months to go?

I thought the answer was pretty straightforward: The spike in shootings occurred right after the NYPD disbanded its plainclothes anti-crime unit in response to nationwide calls for police reform.

But when I recently met with Police Commissioner Dermot Shea, he explained that the NYPD is still arresting plenty of illegal gun holders. The problem, he said, is that very few of these criminals are actually being punished by New York’s revolving-door court system.

According to the NYPD, there are 2,152 individuals with open gun arrests between Jan. 1, 2019, and June 29, 2020. Of those individuals, 347 have prior gun arrests, 310 were on either probation or parole, 15 were arrested for shootings after their prior gun arrest, and 89 are wanted for or are suspects in shootings.

When they aren’t firing their weapons, they are at the scene bearing witness to shootings, with 147 of these individuals currently sought as witnesses, or being shot themselves, with 29 falling victim to gun violence.

But 1,937 of these individuals are no longer in custody.
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Look no further than the case of 18-year-old Micah Belton, who is currently in custody facing three attempted murder charges and a slew of gun charges.

He was arrested on May 28, 2019, for allegedly firing three shots and was charged with reckless endangerment and criminal possession of a weapon. He pled guilty to criminal possession of a weapon on Aug. 13, 2019, and was released from custody while awaiting sentencing.

Nine days later, Belton was arrested for another shooting and charged with reckless endangerment and criminal possession of a weapon. This time, he was held on bail for both his May and August arrests. But on Jan. 23, 2020, he was inexplicably released again even though he had appeared in court several times since August and was still not sentenced for the gun possession charge he pled guilty to.


Chicago, low cash/no cash bail and guns 9/8/20
More recently, Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx has introduced a new talking point. Here’s how she phrased it recently on Twitter: “The idea that individuals re-offend while released on bond is often used to explain violence. But, during the first half of 2020, of the 1,872 people arrested for a felony gun charge, only 1% of them (26 ppl) had been previously arrested in 2020 for an approved felony gun charge.”
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Foxx’s claim is skewed because she limits the amount of time that gun defendants are given to qualify as a re-offender. Her criteria allow someone arrested on January 1 six months to get caught with another gun, while someone arrested in June would have to be charged twice within the same month to qualify. So, she drives the re-offend statistic down by creating a tight window of opportunity for someone to get caught with another gun.
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A gun on CTA — then another gun on CTA
Back in May, we told you about Dante Webb, a 22-year-old man that police arrested for gun possession at the Armitage Brown Line station. Prosecutors said Webb’s backpack contained a 22-caliber revolver with a defaced serial number, nine rounds of ammunition, $4,165 worth of narcotics, two U.S. passports, two Colombian passports, two different Social Security cards, an Illinois driver’s license, a Connecticut driver’s license, and cash.

Prosecutors charged him with felony armed violence, felony possession of a defaced firearm, three felony counts of possessing a controlled substance, and five misdemeanor theft charges. Judge David Navarro allowed him to go home by posting a $1,000 deposit bond.

Less than two months later, on July 5, police arrested Webb again at the Roosevelt Red Line station after they found him with another loaded gun, according to court records. A CTA passenger approached officers who were patrolling the station and reported seeing a gun in the waistband of a man who had a Divvy bike. The cops found Webb riding a Divvy bike toward the Red Line platform, they said. Webb jumped from the platform with the Divvy bike and rode it along the tracks to get away, according to police. They found him hiding in the tunnel near an access ladder.

Prosecutors charged Webb with felony unlawful use of a weapon and misdemeanor reckless conduct.

Even though Webb was allegedly caught with guns twice in less than two months, he doesn’t qualify for Foxx’s re-offense statistic because his second gun arrest occurred after July 2.

Are NYC’s gun laws still tough?

Officials insist "affordable bail" does not contribute to Chicago violence, but court cases tell a different tale
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Berwyn, Illinois...

Berwyn police chief: Prosecutors are "managing a catch and release program"

The police chief of west suburban Berwyn wrote a lengthy Facebook post Wednesday after Cook County prosecutors refused to file charges against one of three persons he says were involved in a shooting there last week.

Chief Michael D. Cimaglia said the juvenile that prosecutors refused to charge “is currently out on bond for two previous shooting and firearm arrests.”

“The Assistant State’s Attorney’s Office appears to be managing a catch and release program,” Cimaglia wrote.

Berwyn investigators used video footage to identify three offenders and their vehicle, according to the chief. Fernando Diaz, an 18-year-old from Chicago, a juvenile from Berwyn, and another Berwyn teen who’s on bond for shooting and firearm arrests were arrested, he said.

Prosecutors charged Diaz and the first juvenile with aggravated battery with a firearm, according to Cimaglia, and his officers petitioned the second teen into juvenile court for the same charge.

But the juvenile with pending gun and shooting charges “has been released and all criminal charges have been dismissed by the Juvenile Assistant State’s Attorney Supervisor without or before having a Probable Cause Hearing,” Cimaglia wrote.

“In doing so, a violent offender has been released by the State back onto the City Streets of Berwyn,” he continued.
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New YOrk...
NYC Gangster Released Without Bond In Attempted Murder Case Participated In 3 Shootings Last Month: Feds | The Daily Wire

Darrius Sutton, an alleged Brooklyn gang member, was released without bail in May, despite facing an attempted murder charge, and has allegedly been involved in three shootings since his release.

“Sutton, 23, was hauled into court months ago for a May 16 shooting, during which he allegedly shot another man in the courtyard of an East New York building, seriously injuring the victim, according to the feds,” The New York Daily News reported. “Despite charges of attempted murder, criminal possession of a weapon and assault with intent to cause injury, Sutton was released in the state case without bail set, according to court documents.”


Sutton was reportedly set free after the sole witness in the case recanted.

“At the time of arraignment, the sole eyewitness had recanted so we did not have sufficient evidence to keep the defendant in custody,” a spokesman for the DA said in a statement. “The investigation is continuing and we hope other witnesses come forward.”

“Less than two months after being sprung, the purported Bloods gang member allegedly joined others in three drive-by shootings this summer,” The New York Post reported. “The gunplay took place between July 13 and 14 and were just a few of the six shootings in which Sutton participated over the past year, federal prosecutors allege.”


“The defendant’s violent spree over the last year has left at least seven individuals with gunshot wounds,” federal prosecutors wrote, according to The Post. “That these events did not lead to seven deaths is entirely fortuitous — the videos described above make clear that the defendant shoots to kill.”

Authorities took him into custody last week and he is now being held in federal custody.

That was an interesting read! If true, then there needs to be a serious investigation into how bail is handled in all these states. The question now is, how are the incidences of gun violence in places like Illinois and new york different from a place like Florida and Texas, which are supposedly "tough on crime" and don't have bail "reform." Florida is rated 19th in the country in gun violence, Texas is ranked 27th, IL is ranked 21 and New York is ranked 48. Looks to me like Florida and Texas don't have much on IL and NY is better than all 3 by far. You would think 2 red states with republican mayors, reps and governors and high gun ownership by supposedly law abiding citizens would have the least amount of crime or gun violence according to your own logic. What happened there?

 

[krichton]

Darrell Brooks killed six with an suv

And how many ppl are intentionally using cars to murder multiple people, even though this is probably much easier than doing it with a gun?

 

[otto105]

Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings

Here's what the US can learn from Switzerland, which has nearly eliminated mass shootings while maintaining a high rate of gun ownership.

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Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings

Here's what the US can learn from Switzerland, which has nearly eliminated mass shootings while maintaining a high rate of gun ownership.

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Switzerland hasn't had a mass shooting since 2001, when a man stormed the local parliament in Zug, killing 14 people and then himself.

The country has about 2 million privately owned guns in a nation of 8.3 million people. In 2016, the country had 47 attempted homicides with firearms. The country's overall murder rate is near zero.

The National Rifle Association often points to Switzerland to argue that more rules on gun ownership aren't necessary. In 2016, the NRA said on its blog that the European country had one of the lowest murder rates in the world while still having millions of privately owned guns and a few hunting weapons that don't even require a permit.

But the Swiss have some specific rules and regulations for gun use.

Insider took a look at the country's past with guns to see why it has lower rates of gun violence than the US, where after a mass shooting that killed 5 and injured 25 at an LGBTQ+ nightclub in Colorado, gun-death rates are now at their highest in more than 20 years, and the leading cause of death for children and adolescents.

Zurich's Knabenschiessen is a traditional annual festival that dates back to the 1600s.
Though the word roughly translates to "boys shooting" and the competition used to be only boys, teenage girls have been allowed in since 1991.
Kids in the country flock to the competition every September to compete in target shooting using Swiss army-service rifles. They're proud to show off how well they can shoot.
The competition values accuracy above all else, and officials crown a Schutzenkonig — a king or queen of marksmen — based on results.


The Swiss stance is one of "armed neutrality."

Switzerland hasn't taken part in any international armed conflict since 1815, but some Swiss soldiers help with peacekeeping missions around the world.

Many Swiss see gun ownership as part of a patriotic duty to protect their homeland.

Unlike the US, Switzerland has mandatory military service for men.
The government gives all men between the ages of 18 and 34 deemed "fit for service" a pistol or a rifle and training on how to use them.
After they've finished their service, the men can typically buy and keep their service weapons, but they have to get a permit for them.
In recent years, the Swiss government has voted to reduce the size of the country's armed forces.


Switzerland's borders are basically designed to blow up on command, with at least 3,000 demolition points on bridges, roads, rails, and tunnels around the landlocked European country.

John McPhee put it this way in his book "La Place de la Concorde Suisse":

"Near the German border of Switzerland, every railroad and highway tunnel has been prepared to pinch shut explosively. Nearby mountains have been made so porous that whole divisions can fit inside them."

In 2000, more than 25% of Swiss gun owners said they kept their weapon for military or police duty, while less than 5% of Americans said the same.

The Swiss government has estimated that about half of the privately owned guns in the country are former service rifles. But there are signs the Swiss gun-to-human ratio is dwindling.

In 2007, the Small Arms Survey found that Switzerland had the third-highest ratio of civilian firearms per 100 residents (46), outdone by only the US (89) and Yemen (55).

But it seems that figure has dropped over the past decade. The University of Sydney now estimates that there's about one civilian gun for every three Swiss people.

All fascinating stuff.

But the Swiss has not been overrun with leftists like the US has. As a result, it does not have a government at war with half or more of it's citizens. The Swiss seem to value the Patriarchal family, they are proud of their culture and history and not ashamed of it as they try to eradicate it at all costs. Drugs are not flowing across an uncontrolled border and destroying society, etc.

They also have some of the most stringent immigration laws in the world.

Switzerland is like a right wing utopia.

So why does the Left seem to leave them the hell alone? You guessed it, all the corrupt Leftists put their money there.

Columbia has a lot of guns too, how is their gun crime rate on say murder?

 

[otto105]

Dems want to BAN guns, period. Their BS about reducing gun violence is just the fake strawman they use to attack the 2nd amendment. That's why proving to Dems 1,000 times their gun control laws don't reduce gun violence falls on deaf ears. That isn't their true goal.

Sure, how many mass murders happened in New Zealand after they banned assault weapons?

 

[2aguy]

That was an interesting read! If true, then there needs to be a serious investigation into how bail is handled in all these states. The question now is, how are the incidences of gun violence in places like Illinois and new york different from a place like Florida and Texas, which are supposedly "tough on crime" and don't have bail "reform." Florida is rated 19th in the country in gun violence, Texas is ranked 27th, IL is ranked 21 and New York is ranked 48. Looks to me like Florida and Texas don't have much on IL and NY is better than all 3 by far. You would think 2 red states with republican mayors, reps and governors and high gun ownership by supposedly law abiding citizens would have the least amount of crime or gun violence according to your own logic. What happened there?

Again....Texas has a huge border with a narco state....and Florida is also an entry point for illegal drugs

New York?

And it is the blue cities in those states that drive the crime rates.......

In February 2022, CBS News published a report about cities with the highest homicide rate, "Murder map: Deadliest U.S. cities." Of the top 10 deadliest cities in the country, all of them are cities with Democratic mayors. Moreover, of the 65 cities on this list with the highest murder rates, the overwhelming majority had Democratic mayors. And, to quote Clinton, "that's just a fact."
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On Nov. 4, the Heritage Foundation released a study showing that "high-crime counties are governed largely by Democrats." It revealed that of the 30 cities with the highest murder rates in the country, 27 have Democratic mayors. Furthermore, of those 27 cities, nearly half (14) have radical left-wing prosecutors funded or inspired by affluent billionaire and leftist political activist George Soros and the Open Society Foundation.
"The high murder rate is almost exclusively cabined in cities run by Democrats and with Democrat district attorneys, many of whom are Soros bought-and-paid-for rogue prosecutors or inspired by Soros, groups like the egregiously misnamed Fair and Just Prosecution and other battering rams of the movement," the authors of the study stated.

Don't believe Democrats' lies — blue cities, not red states, have the violent crime problem
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From poster, Toobfreak.

I chose 58 cities as that was the largest number I could fit on a page. I then went through each city one by one to look up the major of every city. Aside from the fact that you can forget finding any pattern of cities in "red" states being the most with the highest crime as the idiot Marc tries to claim, but I went down the list marking all the mayors of the highest crimes cities in America in BRIGHT RED who were DEMOCRATS.


Look at what I found:

Every city above in red is RUN BY A DEMOCRAT!

Murder map: Deadliest U.S. cities


Also.....

The No. 1 state on Third Way’s list is Mississippi. Sure enough, the statewide vote in the 2020 election was for Trump. But within the state, Hinds County residents voted for Joe Biden, 3 to 1. Mississippi’s biggest city, Jackson, is in Hinds County. You know where this is going.
Reporting on Jackson last year, CNN declared it “one of the deadliest U.S. cities.”

The mayor of Jackson is Chokwe Antar Lumumba, a Democrat. The district attorney is Jody Owens, a Democrat.
No. 2 on the list is Louisiana. Trump won that state, too. But on the more local level, he lost Orleans, the parish that contains New Orleans, the state’s most populous city. Residents there went for Biden almost 8 to 1.
“New Orleans had the highest homicide rate of any major city so far this year, with about 41 homicides per 100,000 residents.”— The Wall Street Journal, Sep. 16, 2022
The mayor of New Orleans is LaToya Cantrell, a Democrat. The district attorney is Jason Williams, also a Democrat.
No. 3 on the list is Kentucky, another red state that voted to elect Trump. But Kentucky’s biggest city Louisville is in Jefferson County and 60 percent of those voters supported Biden.
This is from Kentucky-based think tank Pegasus Institute in August: “In the last decade, the city of Louisville has seen unprecedented increases in shootings and homicides. 2020 became Louisville’s deadliest year on record, and 2021 have proven to continue that trend.” The organization reported last year that Louisville’s homicide rate was competing with the likes of Chicago and Philadelphia.
The mayor of Louisville is Greg Fischer, a Democrat. The district attorney is Thomas B. Wine. He is also a Democrat.
Next is Alabama at No. 4, another 2020 red state. But Biden won the most votes in the most populous county, also called Jefferson. He won 56 percent to Trump’s 43. Within Jefferson is the city of Birmingham, which has the third-highest murder ratein all of the U.S.
The mayor of Birmingham is Randall Woodfin. He’s a Democrat, just like the district attorney, Danny Carr.
In slot No. 5 is Missouri. Again, a Trump state. And again, with the county containing its biggest city, St. Louis, going for Biden, 61 percent to Trump’s 37. St. Louis has the fourth-highest murder rate in the country.
Mayor: Tishaura Jones, Democrat.
County prosecuting attorney: Wesley Bell, same.
No. 6 is South Carolina. Trump won that state, but Charleston County, with the city of North Charleston, went for Biden with 56 percent of the vote. North Charleston has the highest murder rate in the state.
Finally, here we have a city with a mayor, Keith Summey, from the Republican Party. The county solicitor — Charleston does not have a district attorney — is Scarlett Wilson, also a Republican.
Not that we’re keeping score, but that brings the number on this list of Republicans who might feasibly be held accountable for raging crime in their cities to a grand total of two. For Democrats, it’s so far 10.
The next two states on Third Way’s report, New Mexico and Georgia, went blue in 2020, so we’ll skip those.
No. 9 is Arkansas, which was red. But again, Pulaski County, with the state’s biggest city of Little Rock, went blue with 60 percent of voters choosing Biden. That city reportedly has one of the highest violent crime rates in the state. The mayor of Little Rock is Frank Scott, a Democrat. The county prosecutor, Larry Jegley, is a Democrat as well.
Lastly, at No. 10, is Tennessee. Another red state with a major blue county that went for Biden. That county here would be Shelby, with 64 percent of the vote going to the president. In Shelby is the city of Memphis, which, according to The New York Times, “is often ranked among the nation’s most violent cities.”
The mayor of Memphis is Jim Strickland, a Democrat. Steve Mulroy, a Democrat, is the recently-elected district attorney.
To recap, of the eight red states listed in Third Way’s report as being among the top 10 with the highest murder rate, the cities where all that murder is happening are run almost exclusively by Democrats. All but one had a Democrat mayor. And all but one had a Democrat responsible for pursuing criminal prosecutions.

The Left's Funny New Lie: It's The 'Red States' With More Crime!

 

[2aguy]

Sure, how many mass murders happened in New Zealand after they banned assault weapons?

They didn't have mass shootings before that last one anyway...so their banning rifles was just stupid.

You moron.....the last mass public shooting in New Zealand before 2019 was in 1997....and the gun used was a sawn off shotgun you dope....

They banned guns for no reason.

List of massacres in New Zealand - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[krichton]

Again....Texas has a huge border with a narco state....and Florida is also an entry point for illegal drugs

New York?

And it is the blue cities in those states that drive the crime rates.......

In February 2022, CBS News published a report about cities with the highest homicide rate, "Murder map: Deadliest U.S. cities." Of the top 10 deadliest cities in the country, all of them are cities with Democratic mayors. Moreover, of the 65 cities on this list with the highest murder rates, the overwhelming majority had Democratic mayors. And, to quote Clinton, "that's just a fact."
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On Nov. 4, the Heritage Foundation released a study showing that "high-crime counties are governed largely by Democrats." It revealed that of the 30 cities with the highest murder rates in the country, 27 have Democratic mayors. Furthermore, of those 27 cities, nearly half (14) have radical left-wing prosecutors funded or inspired by affluent billionaire and leftist political activist George Soros and the Open Society Foundation.
"The high murder rate is almost exclusively cabined in cities run by Democrats and with Democrat district attorneys, many of whom are Soros bought-and-paid-for rogue prosecutors or inspired by Soros, groups like the egregiously misnamed Fair and Just Prosecution and other battering rams of the movement," the authors of the study stated.

Don't believe Democrats' lies — blue cities, not red states, have the violent crime problem
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From poster, Toobfreak.

I chose 58 cities as that was the largest number I could fit on a page. I then went through each city one by one to look up the major of every city. Aside from the fact that you can forget finding any pattern of cities in "red" states being the most with the highest crime as the idiot Marc tries to claim, but I went down the list marking all the mayors of the highest crimes cities in America in BRIGHT RED who were DEMOCRATS.


Look at what I found:

Every city above in red is RUN BY A DEMOCRAT!

Murder map: Deadliest U.S. cities


Also.....

The No. 1 state on Third Way’s list is Mississippi. Sure enough, the statewide vote in the 2020 election was for Trump. But within the state, Hinds County residents voted for Joe Biden, 3 to 1. Mississippi’s biggest city, Jackson, is in Hinds County. You know where this is going.
Reporting on Jackson last year, CNN declared it “one of the deadliest U.S. cities.”

The mayor of Jackson is Chokwe Antar Lumumba, a Democrat. The district attorney is Jody Owens, a Democrat.
No. 2 on the list is Louisiana. Trump won that state, too. But on the more local level, he lost Orleans, the parish that contains New Orleans, the state’s most populous city. Residents there went for Biden almost 8 to 1.
“New Orleans had the highest homicide rate of any major city so far this year, with about 41 homicides per 100,000 residents.”— The Wall Street Journal, Sep. 16, 2022
The mayor of New Orleans is LaToya Cantrell, a Democrat. The district attorney is Jason Williams, also a Democrat.
No. 3 on the list is Kentucky, another red state that voted to elect Trump. But Kentucky’s biggest city Louisville is in Jefferson County and 60 percent of those voters supported Biden.
This is from Kentucky-based think tank Pegasus Institute in August: “In the last decade, the city of Louisville has seen unprecedented increases in shootings and homicides. 2020 became Louisville’s deadliest year on record, and 2021 have proven to continue that trend.” The organization reported last year that Louisville’s homicide rate was competing with the likes of Chicago and Philadelphia.
The mayor of Louisville is Greg Fischer, a Democrat. The district attorney is Thomas B. Wine. He is also a Democrat.
Next is Alabama at No. 4, another 2020 red state. But Biden won the most votes in the most populous county, also called Jefferson. He won 56 percent to Trump’s 43. Within Jefferson is the city of Birmingham, which has the third-highest murder ratein all of the U.S.
The mayor of Birmingham is Randall Woodfin. He’s a Democrat, just like the district attorney, Danny Carr.
In slot No. 5 is Missouri. Again, a Trump state. And again, with the county containing its biggest city, St. Louis, going for Biden, 61 percent to Trump’s 37. St. Louis has the fourth-highest murder rate in the country.
Mayor: Tishaura Jones, Democrat.
County prosecuting attorney: Wesley Bell, same.
No. 6 is South Carolina. Trump won that state, but Charleston County, with the city of North Charleston, went for Biden with 56 percent of the vote. North Charleston has the highest murder rate in the state.
Finally, here we have a city with a mayor, Keith Summey, from the Republican Party. The county solicitor — Charleston does not have a district attorney — is Scarlett Wilson, also a Republican.
Not that we’re keeping score, but that brings the number on this list of Republicans who might feasibly be held accountable for raging crime in their cities to a grand total of two. For Democrats, it’s so far 10.
The next two states on Third Way’s report, New Mexico and Georgia, went blue in 2020, so we’ll skip those.
No. 9 is Arkansas, which was red. But again, Pulaski County, with the state’s biggest city of Little Rock, went blue with 60 percent of voters choosing Biden. That city reportedly has one of the highest violent crime rates in the state. The mayor of Little Rock is Frank Scott, a Democrat. The county prosecutor, Larry Jegley, is a Democrat as well.
Lastly, at No. 10, is Tennessee. Another red state with a major blue county that went for Biden. That county here would be Shelby, with 64 percent of the vote going to the president. In Shelby is the city of Memphis, which, according to The New York Times, “is often ranked among the nation’s most violent cities.”
The mayor of Memphis is Jim Strickland, a Democrat. Steve Mulroy, a Democrat, is the recently-elected district attorney.
To recap, of the eight red states listed in Third Way’s report as being among the top 10 with the highest murder rate, the cities where all that murder is happening are run almost exclusively by Democrats. All but one had a Democrat mayor. And all but one had a Democrat responsible for pursuing criminal prosecutions.

The Left's Funny New Lie: It's The 'Red States' With More Crime!

You're hilarious. Nearly all the states those cities reside in, have some of the loosest gun laws in the country with a few exceptions. Permitless open carry, permitless purchase from private sellers, no background checks, no waiting periods,, no ban on assault weapons, no limit on magazine size, etc, etc. are very common gun "control" laws you'll see in a great deal of them. You've basically made my entire argument for me, thank you!! Citizens in those states can buy all the guns they want, and what's the end result of these loose gun laws? Has crime been deterred? Has gun violence been deterred? Nope. If anything the opposite has happened. You're entire hypothesis is that if we have more guns we'll be safer, correct? So why are all the states you've listed experiencing so much gun crime? Why is texas and florida, two of the reddest states in the country, having the same issue and getting worse by year? What is the most basic common denominator? Lack of gun common sense restriction, dumb dumb.

 

[2aguy]

You're hilarious. Nearly all the states those cities reside in, have some of the loosest gun laws in the country with a few exceptions. Permitless open carry, permitless purchase from private sellers, no background checks, no waiting periods,, no ban on assault weapons, no limit on magazine size, etc, etc. are very common gun "control" laws you'll see in a great deal of them. You've basically made my entire argument for me, thank you!! Citizens in those states can buy all the guns they want, and what's the end result of these loose gun laws? Has crime been deterred? Has gun violence been deterred? Nope. If anything the opposite has happened. You're entire hypothesis is that if we have more guns we'll be safer, correct? So why are all the states you've listed experiencing so much gun crime? Why is texas and florida, two of the reddest states in the country, having the same issue and getting worse by year? What is the most basic common denominator? Lack of gun common sense restriction, dumb dumb.

Moron……….
the one actually shooting people aren’t able to legally buy, own or carry any gun..……….the problem…again….you idiot….is the democrat party releasing those same violent criminals over and over again…….after repeated felony convictions………


You refuse to understand the problem….you simply hate that normal people can own and carry guns even though they aren’t the ones using them for crime…..

another example….from today….

New York City is amongst some of the top crime-ridden places in the U.S., thanks to soft-on-crime policies and Democrat-run leaders.

A new law is forcing prosecutors to release suspects, putting them back on the street sans consequences, only making the city’s crime problem heighten.
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In 2019, the year new “discovery” rules were adopted by state lawmakers, 44 percent of cases were dismissed, rising to 69 percent by mid-October 2021, according to the Manhattan Institute.

For misdemeanor cases, the rate increased from 49 percent to 82 percent during the same period.

This as New York City crime rates shot up to record levels in just the last two years.

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In 2019, the year new “discovery” rules were adopted by state lawmakers, 44 percent of cases were dismissed, rising to 69 percent by mid-October 2021, according to the Manhattan Institute.

For misdemeanor cases, the rate increased from 49 percent to 82 percent during the same period.

This as New York City crime rates shot up to record levels in just the last two years.

“In New York City, adult felony arrests fell by 14 percent between 2019 and 2021, while NYC shootings rose by 102 percent and murders rose by over 51 percent,” the study noted.

The study blamed the impending “clerical burden” prosecutors face who have to “assemble and redact limitless…documents and videos” for defense lawyers as part of the process known as “discovery.”

Woke Law Requires Prosecutors to Drop 69% of Criminal Cases In NYC

townhall.com

 

[2aguy]

You're hilarious. Nearly all the states those cities reside in, have some of the loosest gun laws in the country with a few exceptions. Permitless open carry, permitless purchase from private sellers, no background checks, no waiting periods,, no ban on assault weapons, no limit on magazine size, etc, etc. are very common gun "control" laws you'll see in a great deal of them. You've basically made my entire argument for me, thank you!! Citizens in those states can buy all the guns they want, and what's the end result of these loose gun laws? Has crime been deterred? Has gun violence been deterred? Nope. If anything the opposite has happened. You're entire hypothesis is that if we have more guns we'll be safer, correct? So why are all the states you've listed experiencing so much gun crime? Why is texas and florida, two of the reddest states in the country, having the same issue and getting worse by year? What is the most basic common denominator? Lack of gun common sense restriction, dumb dumb.

I gave you a list of the cities with the highest murder rates and all except a few were controlled by democrats and their policies…….you name two states that are known cartel access coridors where the democrat party, in control of our border, refuses to stop illegal entry into the country and where they are shipping illegal aliens……you are an idiot….where it is known that the cartels are running wild because of the democrats not securing the border……you dope.

 

[2aguy]

You're hilarious. Nearly all the states those cities reside in, have some of the loosest gun laws in the country with a few exceptions. Permitless open carry, permitless purchase from private sellers, no background checks, no waiting periods,, no ban on assault weapons, no limit on magazine size, etc, etc. are very common gun "control" laws you'll see in a great deal of them. You've basically made my entire argument for me, thank you!! Citizens in those states can buy all the guns they want, and what's the end result of these loose gun laws? Has crime been deterred? Has gun violence been deterred? Nope. If anything the opposite has happened. You're entire hypothesis is that if we have more guns we'll be safer, correct? So why are all the states you've listed experiencing so much gun crime? Why is texas and florida, two of the reddest states in the country, having the same issue and getting worse by year? What is the most basic common denominator? Lack of gun common sense restriction, dumb dumb.

Hey….dipshit…….address my facts…..

Europe took guns away from their people, then in 6 years the governments of Europe murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children…..

6 years….15 million murdered.

In 246 years of gun murder in the U.S.?

2,460,000. And the victims are majority criminals, not innocent people.

You keep ignoring that fact

 

[2aguy]

You're hilarious. Nearly all the states those cities reside in, have some of the loosest gun laws in the country with a few exceptions. Permitless open carry, permitless purchase from private sellers, no background checks, no waiting periods,, no ban on assault weapons, no limit on magazine size, etc, etc. are very common gun "control" laws you'll see in a great deal of them. You've basically made my entire argument for me, thank you!! Citizens in those states can buy all the guns they want, and what's the end result of these loose gun laws? Has crime been deterred? Has gun violence been deterred? Nope. If anything the opposite has happened. You're entire hypothesis is that if we have more guns we'll be safer, correct? So why are all the states you've listed experiencing so much gun crime? Why is texas and florida, two of the reddest states in the country, having the same issue and getting worse by year? What is the most basic common denominator? Lack of gun common sense restriction, dumb dumb.

The 1.1 million Americans who use their guns to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings, stabbings, kidnappings, and mass public shootings are safer for having those guns…..and so far, our government hasn’t murdered 15 million of us in forests and death camps because of those guns…..you dope.

1.1 million times a year……..lives saved……vs around 10,000 majority criminals murdered with guns ……

Can you tell which number is bigger?

 

[Dagosa]

OP is a complete moroon. Switzerland is a right wing utopia? I guess that means China is a leftist utopia then. Even when the OP posts a story from a legitimate source they still fall back on wacky right wing talking points and ideology and basically ignore everything in the article.

Excerpt from the Businessinsider article the OP linked









Switzerland has some of the toughest gun laws in europe. Something right wing gun nuts here would never accept. Right utopia? LMAO

Exactly
Right wingers confuse what they want with regulated training for firearm use and possession
It’s about regulating any dangerous implement from automobiles, to ladders to hand tools.
A firearm is a dangerous hand tool with one basic expressed use.....to kill (and the threat of killing.) All of its other uses are extraneous. It’s a tool that requires strict regulation.

 

[2aguy]

You're hilarious. Nearly all the states those cities reside in, have some of the loosest gun laws in the country with a few exceptions. Permitless open carry, permitless purchase from private sellers, no background checks, no waiting periods,, no ban on assault weapons, no limit on magazine size, etc, etc. are very common gun "control" laws you'll see in a great deal of them. You've basically made my entire argument for me, thank you!! Citizens in those states can buy all the guns they want, and what's the end result of these loose gun laws? Has crime been deterred? Has gun violence been deterred? Nope. If anything the opposite has happened. You're entire hypothesis is that if we have more guns we'll be safer, correct? So why are all the states you've listed experiencing so much gun crime? Why is texas and florida, two of the reddest states in the country, having the same issue and getting worse by year? What is the most basic common denominator? Lack of gun common sense restriction, dumb dumb.

Hey....dipshit......

Houston, Texas, vs. Chicago, Illinois...

Texas.....gun stores on every corner, open and concealed carry....and a border with the Narco state of Mexico....

2021 murder number....

473 in a population of 2.288 million

Chicago......the most extreme gun control, no gun stores or gun ranges allowed in city limits, does not have a border with the narco state of Mexico...

2021 murder number.....

797 in a population of 2.697 million....

You have no argument, you have no point, you doofus....

Houston finishes 2021 with the most homicides the city has seen in decades

Homicides were up 71% in 2021 compared to 2019.

www.khou.com

search

population of houston

population of chicago

2021 Ends as Chicago's Deadliest Year in a Quarter Century

The year of 2021 ended as one of the most violent on record in Chicago, as a rise in the number of shootings left more people dead than in any single year in a quarter century, according to statistics released by the police department on Saturday.

www.nbcchicago.com

 

[2aguy]

You're hilarious. Nearly all the states those cities reside in, have some of the loosest gun laws in the country with a few exceptions. Permitless open carry, permitless purchase from private sellers, no background checks, no waiting periods,, no ban on assault weapons, no limit on magazine size, etc, etc. are very common gun "control" laws you'll see in a great deal of them. You've basically made my entire argument for me, thank you!! Citizens in those states can buy all the guns they want, and what's the end result of these loose gun laws? Has crime been deterred? Has gun violence been deterred? Nope. If anything the opposite has happened. You're entire hypothesis is that if we have more guns we'll be safer, correct? So why are all the states you've listed experiencing so much gun crime? Why is texas and florida, two of the reddest states in the country, having the same issue and getting worse by year? What is the most basic common denominator? Lack of gun common sense restriction, dumb dumb.

You don't know what you are talking about....you have to explain this....

Over 27 years, from 1993 to the year 2015, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019 (in 2020 that number is 21.52 million)...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974.


What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.

Paper...why crime declined in the 90s

https://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/LevittUnderstandingWhyCrime2004.pdf


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Why do our democrat party controlled cities have gun crime problems?

What changed in 2015?

The democrat party did 3 things...

1) they began a war on the police that forced officers to stop pro active police work, allowing criminals to run wild.

2) they began to release the most violent and dangerous gun offenders over and over again, not matter how many times they had been arrested for gun crimes

3) they used their brown shirts, blm/antifa to burn, loot and murder for 7 months in primarily black neighborhoods while the democrat party mayors ordered the police to stand down and not stop them......in order to hurt Trump during the election.