More evidence that more gun laws are not what is needed in the US

[jc456]

Simple, ban guns altogether or have the same common sense restrictions as every other country. Right now we have neither.

the insanity of that statement is truly sad. So your solution to everything is to punish the majority? So you are saying the law abiding are to be punished for the criminal's acts? hey, fk off loser. your compliance to the man is noted. you just threw away your common sense.

 

[M14 Shooter]

And......a criminal is going to care about that, why?

The exact same reason he will care about gun control laws.

Simple, ban guns altogether.

Yes! SCREW the constitution! Ban ALL guns!!!
But... um...
How do you plan to confiscate them?

or have the same common sense restrictions as every other country

There is no sense - common or otherwise - to be found in unnecessary and ineffective restrictions on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arm by the law abiding.

If you don't know the answer, then you shouldn't be asking the question.

Translation: You can't answer the question you asked.

 

[krichton]

Normal violence? Yes....women and the elderly beaten or stabbed......because a young male criminal can easily over power either category.......which is what you see in Britain......

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders, beatings, stabbings, kidnappings, and even mass public shootings...according to the Centers for Disease Control...or, 1.5 million times a year according to the Department of Justice.

Take those guns away and you then have more women raped, more people brutally beaten and murdered....by knives and clubs and by bare hands....

For you, it is better that a woman is brutally beaten, raped, tortured and murdered, than she have a gun to stop the rape....right?

And what has happened across the world when you have taken guns away from the people?

Mass murder by the government that took those guns....

Can you understand the following?

The Europeans began registering and confiscating guns in the 1920s, by the mid 1930s the German socialists began the process of murdering 15 million innocent men, women and children....

15 million.

Between 1939-1945.....6 years.

How many gun murders have their been in the U.S.?

We average about 10,000 gun murders a year, a little more since 2015 (because of democrat party policies), and the vast majority of those victims are criminals, not innocent men, women or children.

In our entire 246 year history, that makes for around 2,460,000 gun murder victims.........

15 million murdered in Europe after they gave up their guns. In just 6 years of murder.

2,460,000 gun murder victims in 246 years...

So your argument holds no water......

Criminals will continue to brutalize citizens without guns, while unarmed citizens simply have to sit back and be victimzed....

Guns civilized society.....they made it possible for women, the elderly, and the weak to stop violent criminals.....you want to end that.

If guns are the great equalizer, why do we live in the most violent first world nation on the planet? Why do our schools keep getting shot up? Why do we have more rapes? More robberies? More assaults? Guns haven't stopped any of that, despite the fact that we have more guns in this country than probably the rest of the world combined. That's because criminals can get guns too and easily, and the majority are too dumb to care either way.

 

[2aguy]

If guns are the great equalizer, why do we live in the most violent first world nation on the planet? Why do our schools keep getting shot up? Why do we have more rapes? More robberies? More assaults? Guns haven't stopped any of that, despite the fact that we have more guns in this country than probably the rest of the world combined. That's because criminals can get guns too and easily, and the majority are too dumb to care either way.

Why....

1) we share a huge border with a narco state......

2) the democrat party has two policies....attack the police so they can't or won't do their jobs, and then release repeat gun offenders no matter how often they commit crimes....

The people doing 99% of all of the shooting are convicted criminals, involved in crime as lifestyle.....in any other country, on their first, second, third offense, they would be in prison for life...like in Japan...but democrat party politicians, prosecutors and judges simply refuse to keep these violent gun criminals locked up.

Again...

You have to explain how it is that Europe, after banning guns, has a higher body count than we do after 246 years of gun murder...

I see you completely ignored that point.

 

[krichton]

The exact same reason he will care about gun control laws.

Yes! SCREW the constitution! Ban ALL guns!!!
But... um...
How do you plan to confiscate them?

There is no sense - common or otherwise - to be found in unnecessary and ineffective restrictions on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arm by the law abiding.


Translation: You can't answer the question you asked.

The only reason why a criminal will care about gun control laws is that now it'll be much more difficult for him to obtain a gun as well This has nothing at all to do with it being a felony to possess an illegal firearm, like you stated.

I already answered it, but you felt it necessary to ask it because....... why?

 

[M14 Shooter]

If guns are the great equalizer, why do we live in the most violent first world nation on the planet?

Give you a hint:
>60% of the murders in the US are committed by a specific demograpic that represents ~6.5% of the population

Why do our schools keep getting shot up? Why do we have more rapes? More robberies? More assaults? Guns haven't stopped any of that,

False.
Firearms are used to stop a crime at least 10x more often than they are to commit murders.
No one claimed firearms would stop EVERY crime, and so the fact some crimes are still committed in no way means that firearms aren't stopping crimes.

despite the fact that we have more guns in this country than probably the rest of the world combined.

Embarrassing - for the rest of the world
They need to get those numbers up.

That's because criminals can get guns too and easily, and the majority are too dumb to care either way.

Freedom makes it easy to commit a crime. Not much you can do about it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The only reason why a criminal will care about gun control laws is that now it'll be much more difficult for him to obtain a gun as well

Nonsense. Criminals already break every law in the books to get guns; more laws will not affect them in any way.

This has nothing at all to do with it being a felony to possess an illegal firearm, like you stated.

Banning guns w/o confiscating them does nothing to reduce the number of guns -- and thus does nothing to reduce their use in violent crime
Why then ban guns?

I already answered it, but you felt it necessary to ask it because....... why?

You told us why mass shooters are nearly non existent in those countries with strict gun laws?
I must have laughed my way thought it.
Tell us again. Be serious this time.

 

[jc456]

The only reason why a criminal will care about gun control laws is that now it'll be much more difficult for him to obtain a gun as well This has nothing at all to do with it being a felony to possess an illegal firearm, like you stated.

I already answered it, but you felt it necessary to ask it because....... why?

wrong, it will be that much easier to take your weak jim jonesing compliant ass out. Sit booboo sit, good dog

The real main point ignoramuses like you miss is that criminals go where there are gun free zones. And you want to give them more space to kill in.

 

[krichton]

Why....

1) we share a huge border with a narco state......

2) the democrat party has two policies....attack the police so they can't or won't do their jobs, and then release repeat gun offenders no matter how often they commit crimes....

The people doing 99% of all of the shooting are convicted criminals, involved in crime as lifestyle.....in any other country, on their first, second, third offense, they would be in prison for life...like in Japan...but democrat party politicians, prosecutors and judges simply refuse to keep these violent gun criminals locked up.

Again...

You have to explain how it is that Europe, after banning guns, has a higher body count than we do after 246 years of gun murder...

I see you completely ignored that point.

If 99% of the ppl doing all the shooting are convicted criminals, why are we making it insanely easy for them to obtain guns in the first place, hmmm? I guess you didn't think that one through before making that claim.

Japan has tough gun control laws. There often isn't a first time offense for using a gun because a criminal wouldn't be able to buy one in the first place.

Are you getting your stats out of some propagandized newsletter the NRA puts out every month? lol.

Gun homicides 22 times more frequent in U.S. than European Union

The U.S. firearm homicide rate in 2019 was 4.11 people per 100,000, compared to 0.19 in the 27-nation European Union.

www.statesman.com

 

[jc456]

If 99% of the ppl doing all the shooting are convicted criminals, why are we making it insanely easy for them to obtain guns in the first place, hmmm? I guess you didn't think that one through before making that claim.

this is plain out ignorant. Dude, go smash your brains again.

 

[krichton]

wrong, it will be that much easier to take your weak jim jonesing compliant ass out. Sit booboo sit, good dog

The real main point ignoramuses like you miss is that criminals go where there are gun free zones. And you want to give them more space to kill in.

From 2012 to 2020 gun homicides in Texas have increased 90%. Texas is ranked 27th highest in gun violence and new york is ranked 48th. If criminals go where there are gun free zones, they sure didn't see the gun free zone signs.

https://everystat.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Gun-Violence-in-Texas-1.pdf

 

[2aguy]

If 99% of the ppl doing all the shooting are convicted criminals, why are we making it insanely easy for them to obtain guns in the first place, hmmm? I guess you didn't think that one through before making that claim.

Japan has tough gun control laws. There often isn't a first time offense for using a gun because a criminal wouldn't be able to buy one in the first place.

Are you getting your stats out of some propagandized newsletter the NRA puts out every month? lol.

Gun homicides 22 times more frequent in U.S. than European Union

The U.S. firearm homicide rate in 2019 was 4.11 people per 100,000, compared to 0.19 in the 27-nation European Union.

www.statesman.com

We aren't.....the democrats are by letting them out of jail and prison...you clod.

Japan puts their gun criminals in prison for 15 years for mere possession of an illegal gun...in the U.S. that same criminal is back on the street in less than a week.....because of the democrats.....the Yakuza will rarely carry guns because getting caught with one is a real sentence...using one for a crime puts them in prison for life...while here in the U.S. the criminals commit multiple gun felonies over and over again....there are no consequences......

You could give every single normal Japanese Citizen a gun, and their crime rate would not change....they do not commit crimes at the same level as criminals in democrat party controlled cities do....

You once again failed to address the fact that in 6 years, after banning and confiscating guns, the European governments murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children......

More people murdered in 6 years than in our entire 246 year history of gun murder......and we aren't even talking close.......by a factor of over 7..............

You won't address that because you can't defend banning guns in the face of that level of mass murder by the very governments who said people would be safer without guns.....and those governments made the exact same arguments you are making now.....

I wonder what your long term goals are too.........

 

[2aguy]

From 2012 to 2020 gun homicides in Texas have increased 90%. Texas is ranked 27th highest in gun violence and new york is ranked 48th. If criminals go where there are gun free zones, they sure didn't see the gun free zone signs.

https://everystat.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Gun-Violence-in-Texas-1.pdf

Yeah......because the democrats have refused to protect the border and democrats in the major cities in Texas are releasing the most violent criminals over and over again, dittos New York, Chicago, Baltimore, D.C.....

Did you not understand that there is a border with a Narco State involved in Texas....a border the democrat party will not defend....you moron...they have allowed the drug cartels to run free across that border bringing more and more violence with them, you dope......

 

[M14 Shooter]

From 2012 to 2020 gun homicides in Texas have increased 90%.

M'kay.
Why?

 

[M14 Shooter]

If 99% of the ppl doing all the shooting are convicted criminals, why are we making it insanely easy for them to obtain guns in the first place, hmmm?

They have to break the law -- commit a federal felony -- to get a gun.
How is that "insanely easy?
I guess you didn't think that one through.

 

[jc456]

From 2012 to 2020 gun homicides in Texas have increased 90%. Texas is ranked 27th highest in gun violence and new york is ranked 48th. If criminals go where there are gun free zones, they sure didn't see the gun free zone signs.

https://everystat.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Gun-Violence-in-Texas-1.pdf

who's ranked higher? Chicago. most gun laws on the books. you even fail here.

 

[jc456]

Japan has tough gun control laws. There often isn't a first time offense for using a gun because a criminal wouldn't be able to buy one in the first place.

doesn't mean the criminal won't still kill,. You believe you can deter a killer by removing a gun and then they turn and thank you for making it easier to kill.

one can't treat your kind of stupid.

 

[krichton]

We aren't.....the democrats are by letting them out of jail and prison...you clod.

Japan puts their gun criminals in prison for 15 years for mere possession of an illegal gun...in the U.S. that same criminal is back on the street in less than a week.....because of the democrats.....the Yakuza will rarely carry guns because getting caught with one is a real sentence...using one for a crime puts them in prison for life...while here in the U.S. the criminals commit multiple gun felonies over and over again....there are no consequences......

You could give every single normal Japanese Citizen a gun, and their crime rate would not change....they do not commit crimes at the same level as criminals in democrat party controlled cities do....

You once again failed to address the fact that in 6 years, after banning and confiscating guns, the European governments murdered 15 million innocent men, women and children......

More people murdered in 6 years than in our entire 246 year history of gun murder......and we aren't even talking close.......by a factor of over 7..............

You won't address that because you can't defend banning guns in the face of that level of mass murder by the very governments who said people would be safer without guns.....and those governments made the exact same arguments you are making now.....

I wonder what your long term goals are too.........

LOL. Everything with you is fodder for hyper-partisanship and tribalism. Post some links to democrats changing sentencing rules for ppl who commit gun violence. I would love to read it actually.

If you commit a felony using a gun you're going away for some time. That's why they call it a felony. No one is committing a felony and facing no consequences, silly goose.

European governments murdered 15 million ppl after banning guns? What on earth are you talking about? lol. This is an example of a brain that has stopped working a long time ago and is now just replaying old propaganda talking points that make no sense at all other than to trigger more fools out there.

 

[krichton]

Yeah......because the democrats have refused to protect the border and democrats in the major cities in Texas are releasing the most violent criminals over and over again, dittos New York, Chicago, Baltimore, D.C.....

Did you not understand that there is a border with a Narco State involved in Texas....a border the democrat party will not defend....you moron...they have allowed the drug cartels to run free across that border bringing more and more violence with them, you dope......

How do democrats not protect the border? How are the democrats allowing drug cartels to run free across the border? How are democrats in Texas releasing dangerous criminals? What are democrats in texas specifically doing? Confirm with links to sources to back up these statements.

 

[2aguy]

LOL. Everything with you is fodder for hyper-partisanship and tribalism. Post some links to democrats changing sentencing rules for ppl who commit gun violence. I would love to read it actually.

If you commit a felony using a gun you're going away for some time. That's why they call it a felony. No one is committing a felony and facing no consequences, silly goose.

European governments murdered 15 million ppl after banning guns? What on earth are you talking about? lol. This is an example of a brain that has stopped working a long time ago and is now just replaying old propaganda talking points that make no sense at all other than to trigger more fools out there.

You are an idiot...

Every year, Chicago police officers arrest hundreds of people for violating the city’s gun-offender registration ordinance, a law that requires anyone convicted of gun-related violence or illegal gun possession to go to police headquarters yearly and register their home addresses.

But it’s rare that anyone is punished for failing to comply with the law, modeled on similar measures that were credited with helping reduce crime elsewhere.

That’s according to a Chicago Sun-Times analysis that found most of those cases get dismissed in court — and that’s typically done at the request of lawyers representing City Hall.

Take Devaughn Levi. He was arrested three times in early 2020 for failing to register as a gun offender. But each of those misdemeanor cases was dropped at city lawyers’ request, court records show. Levi is now in jail, charged with felony gun-possession.

To get an idea of how the law is enforced, the Sun-Times examined 33 gun-offender registry arrests that were made in January 2020. In one of those cases, a man got fined $500 — violations carry a possible penalty of a $300-to-$500 fine and six months in jail. All of the other cases were dropped at the request of attorneys for the city.

“The gun-offender registry is BS. What a colossal waste of resources,” says Ald. Matt O’Shea (19th), whose Southwest Side ward is the home of many Chicago police officers. “Who are we kidding? Gun offenders at every level aren’t getting prosecuted. In my opinion, it’s a waste of time. It creates a lot of useless paperwork.”

Chicago requires convicted gun criminals to register, makes arrests but won’t prosecute violators

Demetris Johnson made headlines in 2011 when he was 16-years-old. That’s when prosecutors charged him as an adult with shooting a man to death in a parking lot near his home. A jury later acquitted him.
As an adult, Johnson continued to rack up cases. He was convicted of illegal gun possession twice in 2015. And he just became the fifth person charged with killing or shooting someone in Chicago this year while on bail for a serious felony case.
Johnson was on bail and was wearing an electronic monitoring bracelet for pending armed habitual criminal and escape cases when he shot and killed Gino Dameron, age 26, last Wednesday in the 3500 block of South Cottage Grove, prosecutors said.
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Police said Johnson was wearing a Cook County Sheriff’s Office electronic monitoring ankle bracelet at the time of his arrest.
According to prosecutors, Johnson was on electronic monitoring for a pending gun-case even though he escaped from electronic monitoring once before while on bail in the matter.

#5: Man charged with murder while on bail for 3rd gun case and escape

Chicago...

A 29-year-old man told police that another passenger lunged at him as he sat on a Blue Line train around 6:50 a.m. on December 4, 2019. The offender began punching the victim in the head and face, then took property from the victim before exiting the train car at LaSalle, police said.
That’s when a good Samaritan intercepted the alleged robber and forced him to lie on the platform at gunpoint until police arrived, according to witnesses and details provided by police.
Prosecutors charged 29-year-old Michael Oliver with robbery in the case. Now, Oliver has pleaded guilty in exchange for a sentence of two years probation in the case, which was overseen by Judge Ursula Walowski.
Probation for a robbery charge is not a bad deal. Maybe he got lucky after all.
Man gets probation in CTA robbery foiled by concealed carry holder

Chicago..

Prosecutors on Wednesday charged a Little Village man with murder for his alleged role in the slaying of a man he perceived to be a rival gang member over the weekend. At the time of the killing, Xavier Encarnacion was out of jail on an affordable bail bond for his third gun case.
Encarnacion is the fourth person charged with murder or shooting someone in Chicago this year while on affordable bail for a serious felony.

On May 24, Encarnacion was charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm. Judge David Navarro set his bail at $10,000, meaning Encarnacion posted only $1,000 to get out of jail.
Encarnacion was also charged on January 13 with failing to comply with the violent gun offender registry. He went home on a recognizance bond in that case.
Murphy said Encarnacion received a four-year sentence for attempted unlawful use of a weapon by a felon in 2018 and three years for unlawful use of a weapon by a gang member in 2014.

#4: Man on affordable bail for his 3rd felony gun case is charged with weekend murder


Chicago....

Prosecutors on Friday charged a fourth person with killing retired Chicago Fire Dept. Lt. Dwain Williams during a botched carjacking on December 3.
Like one of the other defendants, Jalen Saulsberry has a violent juvenile history and was free on a recognizance bond for gun charges and for possessing a stolen motor vehicle at the time of Williams’ murder.
Saulsberry is at least the 34th person to be charged with shooting or killing someone in Chicago last year while on affordable bail for another serious felony, according to CWBChicago research. Those 34 defendants are accused of killing or shooting a total of 37 people.
During Saulsberry’s bail hearing Friday, Assistant State’s Attorney James Murphy said the four defendants trailed Williams in traffic as the 65-year-old drove to a popcorn shop. The group allegedly parked nearby while Williams shopped, then moved in to take his car as he emerged from the store.
Surveillance video of the crime shows Saulsberry getting out of the front passenger seat and moving toward Williams with a gun in his hand along with another armed offender, Murphy said.
Another man, free on bail for two felonies, charged with killing retired fireman in botched carjacking

Chicago...

A Chicago man who turned 18 last spring fatally shot his girlfriend while on affordable bail and electronic monitoring for illegally possessing a firearm in November, prosecutors said Wednesday.

He is the second person to be accused of killing another person in Chicago while on bail for serious felonies in 2021.

Last February, Antwon Derrington received 18-months juvenile probation for two robberies he allegedly committed as a minor. Nine months later, on November 6, prosecutors charged him as an adult with unlawful use of a weapon after police allegedly found a loaded handgun in his car.

#2: Man fatally shot girlfriend while on electronic monitoring for November gun case, prosecutors say


Chicago......
Welcome to the first 2021 installment of “Not Horrible,” our ongoing series of reports about people who have been charged with committing serious and violent crimes while on bail for other serious and violent crimes.

We borrowed the name “Not Horrible” from a statement Cook County Chief Judge Timothy Evans made during budget hearings on November 4, 2019: “It’s not by magic that we haven’t had any horrible incidents occur using this new [affordable bail] system.”

So far, CWB reporters have identified 32 people who were charged with committing murder, attempted murder, or aggravated battery with a firearm while free on bail for serious felonies in 2020. Four of the accused men are charged with shooting, and sometimes killing, more than one person.

But the actual number of killings and shootings committed by persons on bail is almost certainly much higher. As of the new year, arrests have been made in just 27% of Chicago’s 2020 murders and 2.7% (Yes. Two point seven percent) of non-fatal shootings, according to CPD data.
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One of those persons is Devin Barron, 20, who collected five convictions as a juvenile and was free on bond for four pending cases at the time of Williams’ murder. One of those pending cases was for a home invasion and kidnapping just five weeks before Williams was killed.

Prosecutors said video shows Barron getting out of the rear passenger seat of a car moments before he shot Williams. According to the state’s allegations, Barron had three guns when police caught up with him.

Murder and more
Antonio Reyes, 17, was given three years probation in juvenile court for aggravated robbery and aggravated battery in December 2019. When he allegedly shot a man last month, he had four more juvenile cases pending — for armed robbery, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, unlawful use of a weapon, and a narcotics case — prosecutors said.

Prosecutors have also charged him as an adult with killing a man last summer and, they say, he’s suspected of participating in a third shooting.

Assistant State’s Attorney Kevin Deboni said last month that Reyes shot 26-year-old Davalos Garcia as Garcia waited for his girlfriend to come out of her house on June 24, 2020.

About four hours after Garcia’s murder, a car similar to the one used by his killer was involved in another shooting, but both of the victims in that case survived. Investigators tracked a temporary license plate on the car to an auto body shop that sold the vehicle to the mother of Reyes’ child four days before the murder, Deboni said, but no charges have yet been filed.
At least 32 people charged with murder in Chicago last year were free on bail at the time of the killings



Chicago...

A Chicago man was charged Saturday with the attempted murder of an off-duty police officer just after noon New Year’s Day on the West Side. The alleged murder attempt unfolded just two weeks after a judge released the accused man on “affordable bail” for being a felon in possession of a firearm and resisting police.
Jermaine Morris, 34, is also a “person of interest” in yet another shooting, according to a CPD statement. Detectives are currently seeking charges in that case, police said.

CPD: Man tried to kill off-duty cop 2 weeks after getting "affordable bail" in gun case


New York....

Shootings are up nearly 96% in the first eleven months of this year. In November alone, there were 115 shootings — a 112% increase from the same time last year.

There were also 28 murders last month, driving the murder rate up 38%.

The commisssioner blamed part of the rise on bail reform measures implemented earlier in the year.

“We have made staggering numbers of gun arrests, taking guns off the streets from felons, doing it almost always without a shot being fired. But when you look three days later, four days later, those individuals are back on the street committing more gun violence,” Police Commissioner Dermot Shea told NY1.

NYPD Commissioner: City will End 2020 on 14-Year High for Shootings


Chicago......

A suspected double-murderer who sparked an Amber Alert across Chicagoland on Friday evening is on bail for allegedly killing a woman while fleeing police and for two separate Class X felony armed habitual criminal gun crimes.
Clarence Hebron, 32, had been held without bail on those cases for over a year until a Cook County judge agreed to release him on just $15,000 bond in July.
Hebron has not been charged with Friday’s murder of 26-year-old Jessica Beal and her brother in Riverdale, but police identified him as the suspect in an Amber Alert after Beal’s 1-year-old boy went missing following the homicides. The boy has since been located.
Incredibly, Hebron was also on bail for the two armed habitual criminal cases when he allegedly killed a woman while fleeing police in April last year.

Two gun cases, two bail bonds, then homicide​

Hebron is awaiting trial for two separate major gun cases in which he is charged with a total of two counts of Class X armed habitual criminal, five counts of being a felon in possession of a firearm, and four counts of aggravated unlawful use of a weapon by a felon, according to the Cook County sheriff’s office.
In early 2019, Chicago police and federal agents raided Hebron’s home and recovered a firearm, a source said. Hebron wasn’t home at the time, but his girlfriend and newborn baby were. Police eventually found him, and prosecutors charged him in the case.
The second gun case also started in early 2019. In that incident, cops allegedly found a gun in Hebron’s car after he crashed the vehicle while police followed him on the South Side. He got away, but officers later arrested him at work, according to CPD records.
Hebron was released on bail for both cases.
Just a couple of months later, Hebron again sped away from officers when they tried to stop him for a traffic violation in Englewood on the afternoon of April 18, 2019.
Prosecutors say he crashed his car into a vehicle driven by 32-year-old Dana Hubbard. She died a few days later. He’s charged with reckless homicide by motor vehicle, aggravated fleeing causing bodily injury, and driving on a revoked license resulting in injury or death. A judge ordered him held without bail.
Hebron remained in jail without bail for over a year until his lawyer filed a motion to reduce bail in late June. Three days later, Cook County Judge Dennis Porter slashed Hebron’s bail to $50,000 on each of the three cases.
Suspected double-murderer who sparked Amber Alert is on bail for reckless homicide and 2 gun cases


Chicago....

Prosecutors last week said a five-time convicted felon got a gun and shot another man over the summer while free on “affordable bail” in an armed habitual criminal case. It’s the latest example of people being accused of committing violent crime while on bail for allegations of other gun or violent crimes.

Here’s that story and a couple of other cases our team discovered.

Shooting over Xanax bill
Last November, Judge Mary Marubio ordered five-time felon Cameron Johnson to be held without bail after prosecutors charged him with armed violence and resisting police. Two months later, another judge allowed Johnson to go home on electronic monitoring by posting a $500 deposit bond.

Johnson was supposed to still be electronically monitored on August 2 when police saw him brandish a handgun and shoot another man, according to prosecutors. The alleged victim suffered a graze wound to his left arm.

Detectives found surveillance footage from the 4000 block of West Madison that allegedly shows Johnson getting out of the driver’s seat of a car and arguing with the victim before Johnson drew a gun from his waistband. The victim walked to his own car nearby and pulled out his own gun, but never raised it toward Johnson, prosecutors said. At that point, Johnson fired several shots while bystanders, including a small child, were enjoying a summer afternoon on the street, according to prosecutors.

The victim stopped cooperating with police, but cops tracked Johnson down this month. Detectives said he admitted to possessing a firearm and arguing with the victim’s brother about payment for some Xanax.

Prosecutors last week charged him with armed habitual criminal and aggravated assault by discharging a firearm. Marubio once again ordered him held without bail.

On bail, shooting at cops
When Demetrius Williams allegedly fired shots at on-duty cops in the Chatham neighborhood over the summer, he was already awaiting trial for being a felon in possession of a weapon.

In September 2019, a witness pointed cops toward Williams as officers responded to a call of a person with a gun in the 8200 block of South Cottage Grove. Police stopped Williams and allegedly found a loaded gun in his waistband.

Police advised him of his right to remain silent, but Williams admitted to buying the gun on the street in Indiana about three months earlier and said he carries it for personal protection, cops said. The alleged admission was recorded by a CPD body camera.

Judge Susana Ortiz allowed Williams, age 25, to go home by putting down a $300 bond.

In August, while still on bail for the pending gun case, Williams was charged with firing a gun at a Chicago police sergeant who tried to stop him as he ran from a store, prosecutors said. Police returned fire but did not strike Williams.

Even more men charged with shooting guns while on "affordable bail" for other gun crimes

Rochester, New York....

“I’m not surprised by the violence that’s been taking place,” Umbrino said at the Sunday press conference (full video below). “You know, I’m going to get in trouble, probably, for this, but if I hear one more politician talk about what we need to do to stop the violence; we need more gun laws, we need this, we need that — quite frankly, I’m going to vomit. These people who say that have no idea what they are talking about.”

“We have a lot of gun laws currently on the books that we don’t enforce. I shouldn’t say we don’t enforce — we enforce them, but you have individuals locked up for illegal hand guns, and being released from custody the next day,” he explained. “That’s disgusting. How does that happen?”
“So, if anybody is surprised that there’s been an uptick in violence, since we don’t enforce the current gun laws that we have, I don’t know what to tell ya. But those are the fact,” Umbrino continued. “These politicians that wanna say we need more gun laws, we need this, we need that, do me a favor: just stop talking, because you really don’t know what you’re talking about.”
“Come and ask anybody that lives in these neighborhoods,” the police captain said. “I’ve had conversations over the last three weeks with dozens of people who live in these neighborhoods … They don’t believe any of the stuff you’re saying. There needs to be accountability.”

RPD Capt. UNLOADS On Dem Policies Following Mass Shooting: ‘Going To Vomit’ If I Hear One More Politician Talk Gun Laws | The Daily Wire

New York......
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As the Daily News reported, nearly half of all people accused of gun possession from March 16 to Aug. 17 were set loose without bail. Something tells me that a person carrying around an illegal gun has an intent to use it, can easily get another one, and is not at all afraid of catching the coronavirus. And Shea also reports that 160 gun arrests were made last week, a 25-year high.
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In fact, it seems easier to get a gun illegally here than to get approved for a license or permit and purchase one, as evidence by the recent eruption in firearm violence in our streets.

If we are the most anti-gun big city in America, how could we allow the number of shootings in 2020 to have already surpassed the number of shootings in 2019, with four months to go?

I thought the answer was pretty straightforward: The spike in shootings occurred right after the NYPD disbanded its plainclothes anti-crime unit in response to nationwide calls for police reform.

But when I recently met with Police Commissioner Dermot Shea, he explained that the NYPD is still arresting plenty of illegal gun holders. The problem, he said, is that very few of these criminals are actually being punished by New York’s revolving-door court system.

According to the NYPD, there are 2,152 individuals with open gun arrests between Jan. 1, 2019, and June 29, 2020. Of those individuals, 347 have prior gun arrests, 310 were on either probation or parole, 15 were arrested for shootings after their prior gun arrest, and 89 are wanted for or are suspects in shootings.

When they aren’t firing their weapons, they are at the scene bearing witness to shootings, with 147 of these individuals currently sought as witnesses, or being shot themselves, with 29 falling victim to gun violence.

But 1,937 of these individuals are no longer in custody.
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Look no further than the case of 18-year-old Micah Belton, who is currently in custody facing three attempted murder charges and a slew of gun charges.

He was arrested on May 28, 2019, for allegedly firing three shots and was charged with reckless endangerment and criminal possession of a weapon. He pled guilty to criminal possession of a weapon on Aug. 13, 2019, and was released from custody while awaiting sentencing.

Nine days later, Belton was arrested for another shooting and charged with reckless endangerment and criminal possession of a weapon. This time, he was held on bail for both his May and August arrests. But on Jan. 23, 2020, he was inexplicably released again even though he had appeared in court several times since August and was still not sentenced for the gun possession charge he pled guilty to.


Chicago, low cash/no cash bail and guns 9/8/20
More recently, Cook County State’s Attorney Kim Foxx has introduced a new talking point. Here’s how she phrased it recently on Twitter: “The idea that individuals re-offend while released on bond is often used to explain violence. But, during the first half of 2020, of the 1,872 people arrested for a felony gun charge, only 1% of them (26 ppl) had been previously arrested in 2020 for an approved felony gun charge.”
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Foxx’s claim is skewed because she limits the amount of time that gun defendants are given to qualify as a re-offender. Her criteria allow someone arrested on January 1 six months to get caught with another gun, while someone arrested in June would have to be charged twice within the same month to qualify. So, she drives the re-offend statistic down by creating a tight window of opportunity for someone to get caught with another gun.
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A gun on CTA — then another gun on CTA
Back in May, we told you about Dante Webb, a 22-year-old man that police arrested for gun possession at the Armitage Brown Line station. Prosecutors said Webb’s backpack contained a 22-caliber revolver with a defaced serial number, nine rounds of ammunition, $4,165 worth of narcotics, two U.S. passports, two Colombian passports, two different Social Security cards, an Illinois driver’s license, a Connecticut driver’s license, and cash.

Prosecutors charged him with felony armed violence, felony possession of a defaced firearm, three felony counts of possessing a controlled substance, and five misdemeanor theft charges. Judge David Navarro allowed him to go home by posting a $1,000 deposit bond.

Less than two months later, on July 5, police arrested Webb again at the Roosevelt Red Line station after they found him with another loaded gun, according to court records. A CTA passenger approached officers who were patrolling the station and reported seeing a gun in the waistband of a man who had a Divvy bike. The cops found Webb riding a Divvy bike toward the Red Line platform, they said. Webb jumped from the platform with the Divvy bike and rode it along the tracks to get away, according to police. They found him hiding in the tunnel near an access ladder.

Prosecutors charged Webb with felony unlawful use of a weapon and misdemeanor reckless conduct.

Even though Webb was allegedly caught with guns twice in less than two months, he doesn’t qualify for Foxx’s re-offense statistic because his second gun arrest occurred after July 2.

Are NYC’s gun laws still tough?

Officials insist "affordable bail" does not contribute to Chicago violence, but court cases tell a different tale
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Berwyn, Illinois...

Berwyn police chief: Prosecutors are "managing a catch and release program"

The police chief of west suburban Berwyn wrote a lengthy Facebook post Wednesday after Cook County prosecutors refused to file charges against one of three persons he says were involved in a shooting there last week.

Chief Michael D. Cimaglia said the juvenile that prosecutors refused to charge “is currently out on bond for two previous shooting and firearm arrests.”

“The Assistant State’s Attorney’s Office appears to be managing a catch and release program,” Cimaglia wrote.

Berwyn investigators used video footage to identify three offenders and their vehicle, according to the chief. Fernando Diaz, an 18-year-old from Chicago, a juvenile from Berwyn, and another Berwyn teen who’s on bond for shooting and firearm arrests were arrested, he said.

Prosecutors charged Diaz and the first juvenile with aggravated battery with a firearm, according to Cimaglia, and his officers petitioned the second teen into juvenile court for the same charge.

But the juvenile with pending gun and shooting charges “has been released and all criminal charges have been dismissed by the Juvenile Assistant State’s Attorney Supervisor without or before having a Probable Cause Hearing,” Cimaglia wrote.

“In doing so, a violent offender has been released by the State back onto the City Streets of Berwyn,” he continued.
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New YOrk...
NYC Gangster Released Without Bond In Attempted Murder Case Participated In 3 Shootings Last Month: Feds | The Daily Wire

Darrius Sutton, an alleged Brooklyn gang member, was released without bail in May, despite facing an attempted murder charge, and has allegedly been involved in three shootings since his release.

“Sutton, 23, was hauled into court months ago for a May 16 shooting, during which he allegedly shot another man in the courtyard of an East New York building, seriously injuring the victim, according to the feds,” The New York Daily News reported. “Despite charges of attempted murder, criminal possession of a weapon and assault with intent to cause injury, Sutton was released in the state case without bail set, according to court documents.”


Sutton was reportedly set free after the sole witness in the case recanted.

“At the time of arraignment, the sole eyewitness had recanted so we did not have sufficient evidence to keep the defendant in custody,” a spokesman for the DA said in a statement. “The investigation is continuing and we hope other witnesses come forward.”

“Less than two months after being sprung, the purported Bloods gang member allegedly joined others in three drive-by shootings this summer,” The New York Post reported. “The gunplay took place between July 13 and 14 and were just a few of the six shootings in which Sutton participated over the past year, federal prosecutors allege.”


“The defendant’s violent spree over the last year has left at least seven individuals with gunshot wounds,” federal prosecutors wrote, according to The Post. “That these events did not lead to seven deaths is entirely fortuitous — the videos described above make clear that the defendant shoots to kill.”

Authorities took him into custody last week and he is now being held in federal custody.