More Anti-Gun Myths... Debunked!

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Add this to the litany of refutations of the Left's lies regarding the God-given right to own and use firearms... .

“There is a compound assertion that guns are uniquely available in the United States compared with other modern developed nations, which is why the United States has by far the highest murder rate,” report Kates and Mauser. “Though these assertions have been endlessly repeated," the statement “is, in fact, false.”

Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark, which have high rates of gun ownership, have low murder rates. On the other hand, in Luxembourg, where handguns are totally banned and ownership of any kind of gun is minimal, the murder rate is nine times higher than Germany. Their source of information? The United Nations' International Study on Firearms Regulation, published by the UN's Economic and Social Council and the United Nations Commission on Crime-Prevention and Criminal Justice.


When Kates and Mauser compared England with the United States, they found “’a negative correlation,’ that is, ‘where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense, violent crime rates are highest.’ There is no consistent significant positive association between gun ownership levels and violence rates.”

In 2004, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences released an evaluation from its review of existing research. After reviewing 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and its own original empirical research, it failed to identify any gun control that had reduced violent crime, suicide, or gun accidents, note Kates and Mauser. ... .


Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Artic...Astonishing-Link.aspx?p=2#oTLQL2b0mhjUEFpm.99

 

[2aguy]

Thanks...that is a great post.....Kate and Mauser need to be posted whenever the anti gunners lie about guns in Europe.....

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

 

[2aguy]

I really would like to see Ben Carson or Ted Cruz win.....I think of all of them they would appoint the right Justices to the Supreme Court...or at least have the best chance to do it......

 

[2aguy]

Kate and Mauser, their actual study...

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I. VIOLENCE: THE DECISIVENESS OF SOCIAL FACTORS

One reason the extent of gun ownership in a society does not spur the murder rate is that murderers are not spread evenly throughout the population. Analysis of perpetrator studies shows that violent criminals—especially murderers—“almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behav‐ ior.”37 So it would not appreciably raise violence if all law‐ abiding, responsible people had firearms because they are not the ones who rape, rob, or murder.38 By the same token, violent crime would not fall if guns were totally banned to civilians. As the respective examples of Luxembourg and Russia suggest,39 individuals who commit violent crimes will either find guns despite severe controls or will find other weapons to use. 40

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III. DO ORDINARY PEOPLE MURDER?

The “more guns equal more death” mantra seems plausible only when viewed through the rubric that murders mostly in‐ volve ordinary people who kill because they have access to a firearm when they get angry. If this were true, murder might well increase where people have ready access to firearms, but the available data provides no such correlation. Nations and


areas with more guns per capita do not have higher murder rates than those with fewer guns per capita.53

Nevertheless, critics of gun ownership often argue that a “gun in the closet to protect against burglars will most likely be used to shoot a spouse in a moment of rage . . . . The problem is you and me—law‐abiding folks;”54 that banning handgun posses‐ sion only for those with criminal records will “fail to protect us from the most likely source of handgun murder: ordinary citi‐ zens;”55 that “most gun‐related homicides . . . are the result of impulsive actions taken by individuals who have little or no criminal background or who are known to the victims;”56 that “the majority of firearm homicide[s occur] . . . not as the result of criminal activity, but because of arguments between people who know each other;”57 that each year there are thousands of gun murders “by law‐abiding citizens who might have stayed law‐abiding if they had not possessed firearms.”58

These comments appear to rest on no evidence and actually con‐ tradict facts that have so uniformly been established by homicide studies dating back to the 1890s that they have become “crimino‐ logical axioms.”59 Insofar as studies focus on perpetrators, they show that neither a majority, nor many, nor virtually any murder‐ ers are ordinary “law‐abiding citizens.”60

Rather, almost all mur‐ derers are extremely aberrant individuals with life histories of violence, psychopathology, substance abuse, and other dangerous behaviors. “The vast majority of persons involved in life‐ threatening violence have a long criminal record with many prior contacts with the justice system.”61 “Thus homicide—[whether] of a

stranger or [of] someone known to the offender—‘is usually part of a pattern of violence, engaged in by people who are known . . . as violence prone.’”62 Though only 15% of Americans over the age of 15 have arrest records,63 approximately 90 percent of “adult mur‐ derers have adult records, with an average adult criminal career [involving crimes committed as an adult rather than a child] of six or more years, including four major adult felony arrests.”64 These national statistics dovetail with data from local nineteenth and twentieth century studies. For example: victims as well as offenders [in 1950s and 1960s Philadelphia murders] . . . tended to be people with prior police records, usually for violent crimes such as as‐ sault.”65 “The great majority of both perpetrators and victims of [1970s Harlem] assaults and murders had previous [adult] arrests, probably over 80% or more.”66 Boston police and probation officers in the 1990s agreed that of those juvenile‐perpetrated murders where all the facts were known, virtually all were committed by gang members, though the killing was not necessarily gang‐ directed. 67 One example would be a gang member who stabs his girlfriend to death in a fit of anger.68 Regardless of their arrests for other crimes, 80% of 1997 Atlanta murder arrestees had at least one earlier drug offense with 70% having 3 or more prior drug of‐ fenses.69 A New York Times study of the 1,662 murders committed in that city in the years 2003–2005 found that “[m]ore than 90 percent of the killers had criminal records.”70 Baltimore police figures show that “92 percent of murder suspects had [prior] criminal records in 2006.”71 Several of the more recent homicide studies just reviewed

 

[Old Rocks]

After 8 years of President Hillary, I think we will have some good Supreme Court justices.

U.S. Has More Guns - And Gun Deaths - Than Any Other Country, Study Finds

The United States has more guns and gun deaths than any other developed country in the world, researchers found.

A study by two New York City cardiologists found that the U.S. has 88 guns per 100 people and 10 gun-related deaths per 100,000 people - more than any of the other 27 developed countries they studied.

Japan, on the other hand, had only .6 guns per 100 people and .06 gun-related deaths per 100,000 people, making it the country with both the fewest guns per capita and the fewest gun-related deaths.

Drs. Sripal Bangalore, who works at NYU Langone Medical Center, and Dr. Franz Messerli of St. Luke's Medical Center studied the statistics of guns per capita and gun deaths. They used firearm injury data from the World Health Organization and guns per capita data from the Small Arms Survey to put together a list of 27 developed countries.

They said they carried out their study because of what they said are seemingly baseless claims on either side of the gun control debate.

"I think we need more of what I would call evidence-based discussion and not merely people pulling things out of their hats," Bangalore said. "We hear time and time again about these shootings, especially in the last year or so. A lot of claims are made…so we wanted to look at the data and see if any of this holds water."

Now tell me there is not a problem here. You constantly say the answer is more guns, and we get more guns and more gun deaths. This has been going on for years. And you still insist that your answer is working. A critical mass is approaching, too many Americans are being negatively affected by your answer, and the actions they will force will affect even the guns that I have. You people are the world' s biggest fools. You are working against your own interests.

 

[Old Rocks]

Kate and Mauser, their actual study...

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I. VIOLENCE: THE DECISIVENESS OF SOCIAL FACTORS

One reason the extent of gun ownership in a society does not spur the murder rate is that murderers are not spread evenly throughout the population. Analysis of perpetrator studies shows that violent criminals—especially murderers—“almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behav‐ ior.”37 So it would not appreciably raise violence if all law‐ abiding, responsible people had firearms because they are not the ones who rape, rob, or murder.38 By the same token, violent crime would not fall if guns were totally banned to civilians. As the respective examples of Luxembourg and Russia suggest,39 individuals who commit violent crimes will either find guns despite severe controls or will find other weapons to use. 40

Silly ass, the ready availability of guns in our nation is very much a factor in the fact that we have the highest gun death rate of any of the industrial nations. And you only have to look at the decrease in gun deaths in Australia to realize that is one effective answer. If you are working to see that is the answer that will be put in effect here, you could not do it better than you are.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Harvard study:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

Here's an article about that Harvard study
http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Articles/Harvard-University-Study-Reveals-Astonishing-Link.aspx?p=1

How about the Florida State Study
Review: 'Strongest' Research Shows No Link Between Gun Ownership Rates and Higher Crime | RealClearScience

How about 4 myths of gun control...includes australia
Four Facts About Gun Violence That Will Alarm You, Surprise You, and Make You Think | RealClearScience

How about the Australian government itself
Victims of violent crime (n per year)

How about Wake Forest law Review
Imagining Gun Control in America: Understanding the Remainder Problem by Nicholas James Johnson :: SSRN

wikipedia
There's a Wikipedia page that shows the relation between gun ownership, gun murders, and population per state.

Gun violence in the United States by state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For example: Maryland gun ownership in '07 was 21.3%, and gun murder rate per 100k persons was 5.1.

Meanwhile, West Virginia gun ownership is double that of Maryland at 55.4%, but gun murder rate per 100k persons is only 1.5.

If that page and its statistics were taken as a whole fact, it would conclude that more guns = less gun murders.

cdc claims the evidence is inconclusive
First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

 

[Mr. H.]

Massive ownership of guns is here to stay in the U.S. In perpetuity.

Liberals need to deal with that and spend more time keeping bad people away from guns, and good people close to guns.

 

[candycorn]

Add this to the litany of refutations of the Left's lies regarding the God-given right to own and use firearms... .

“There is a compound assertion that guns are uniquely available in the United States compared with other modern developed nations, which is why the United States has by far the highest murder rate,” report Kates and Mauser. “Though these assertions have been endlessly repeated," the statement “is, in fact, false.”

Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark, which have high rates of gun ownership, have low murder rates. On the other hand, in Luxembourg, where handguns are totally banned and ownership of any kind of gun is minimal, the murder rate is nine times higher than Germany. Their source of information? The United Nations' International Study on Firearms Regulation, published by the UN's Economic and Social Council and the United Nations Commission on Crime-Prevention and Criminal Justice.


When Kates and Mauser compared England with the United States, they found “’a negative correlation,’ that is, ‘where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense, violent crime rates are highest.’ There is no consistent significant positive association between gun ownership levels and violence rates.”

In 2004, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences released an evaluation from its review of existing research. After reviewing 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and its own original empirical research, it failed to identify any gun control that had reduced violent crime, suicide, or gun accidents, note Kates and Mauser. ... .


Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Artic...Astonishing-Link.aspx?p=2#oTLQL2b0mhjUEFpm.99

So how many people were killed in Luxembourg in a recent year?

 

[bucs90]

Liberal OldSchool was sent running crying for the hills yesterday with this topic when he tried to compare the small country of Belgium to the massive country of ours.

But....when compared with an American state of similar size AND demographics to Belgium....he failed miserably.

 

[2aguy]

Add this to the litany of refutations of the Left's lies regarding the God-given right to own and use firearms... .

“There is a compound assertion that guns are uniquely available in the United States compared with other modern developed nations, which is why the United States has by far the highest murder rate,” report Kates and Mauser. “Though these assertions have been endlessly repeated," the statement “is, in fact, false.”

Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark, which have high rates of gun ownership, have low murder rates. On the other hand, in Luxembourg, where handguns are totally banned and ownership of any kind of gun is minimal, the murder rate is nine times higher than Germany. Their source of information? The United Nations' International Study on Firearms Regulation, published by the UN's Economic and Social Council and the United Nations Commission on Crime-Prevention and Criminal Justice.


When Kates and Mauser compared England with the United States, they found “’a negative correlation,’ that is, ‘where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense, violent crime rates are highest.’ There is no consistent significant positive association between gun ownership levels and violence rates.”

In 2004, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences released an evaluation from its review of existing research. After reviewing 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and its own original empirical research, it failed to identify any gun control that had reduced violent crime, suicide, or gun accidents, note Kates and Mauser. ... .


Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Artic...Astonishing-Link.aspx?p=2#oTLQL2b0mhjUEFpm.99

So how many people were killed in Luxembourg in a recent year?

These countries have low murder and violence rates in general…without banning guns…..you could give every Japanese citizen a gun and their gun murder rate would still be tiny….they don't commit crime…..

Gun access isn't the problem…

Again….400 million guns in private hands….only 8,124 gun murders in the entire country, even with all of those guns out there….

 

[Conservative65]

Add this to the litany of refutations of the Left's lies regarding the God-given right to own and use firearms... .

“There is a compound assertion that guns are uniquely available in the United States compared with other modern developed nations, which is why the United States has by far the highest murder rate,” report Kates and Mauser. “Though these assertions have been endlessly repeated," the statement “is, in fact, false.”

Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark, which have high rates of gun ownership, have low murder rates. On the other hand, in Luxembourg, where handguns are totally banned and ownership of any kind of gun is minimal, the murder rate is nine times higher than Germany. Their source of information? The United Nations' International Study on Firearms Regulation, published by the UN's Economic and Social Council and the United Nations Commission on Crime-Prevention and Criminal Justice.


When Kates and Mauser compared England with the United States, they found “’a negative correlation,’ that is, ‘where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense, violent crime rates are highest.’ There is no consistent significant positive association between gun ownership levels and violence rates.”

In 2004, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences released an evaluation from its review of existing research. After reviewing 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and its own original empirical research, it failed to identify any gun control that had reduced violent crime, suicide, or gun accidents, note Kates and Mauser. ... .


Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Artic...Astonishing-Link.aspx?p=2#oTLQL2b0mhjUEFpm.99

So how many people were killed in Luxembourg in a recent year?

These countries have low murder and violence rates in general…without banning guns…..you could give every Japanese citizen a gun and their gun murder rate would still be tiny….they don't commit crime…..

Gun access isn't the problem…

Again….400 million guns in private hands….only 8,124 gun murders in the entire country, even with all of those guns out there….

The reason the crime rate is low there is that when someone commits a crime they are held accountable rather than something isn't used to excuse it away.

 

[2aguy]

After 8 years of President Hillary, I think we will have some good Supreme Court justices.

U.S. Has More Guns - And Gun Deaths - Than Any Other Country, Study Finds

The United States has more guns and gun deaths than any other developed country in the world, researchers found.

A study by two New York City cardiologists found that the U.S. has 88 guns per 100 people and 10 gun-related deaths per 100,000 people - more than any of the other 27 developed countries they studied.

Japan, on the other hand, had only .6 guns per 100 people and .06 gun-related deaths per 100,000 people, making it the country with both the fewest guns per capita and the fewest gun-related deaths.

Drs. Sripal Bangalore, who works at NYU Langone Medical Center, and Dr. Franz Messerli of St. Luke's Medical Center studied the statistics of guns per capita and gun deaths. They used firearm injury data from the World Health Organization and guns per capita data from the Small Arms Survey to put together a list of 27 developed countries.

They said they carried out their study because of what they said are seemingly baseless claims on either side of the gun control debate.

"I think we need more of what I would call evidence-based discussion and not merely people pulling things out of their hats," Bangalore said. "We hear time and time again about these shootings, especially in the last year or so. A lot of claims are made…so we wanted to look at the data and see if any of this holds water."

Now tell me there is not a problem here. You constantly say the answer is more guns, and we get more guns and more gun deaths. This has been going on for years. And you still insist that your answer is working. A critical mass is approaching, too many Americans are being negatively affected by your answer, and the actions they will force will affect even the guns that I have. You people are the world' s biggest fools. You are working against your own interests.

The problem with these guys…they aren't researchers…..40 years of research show that guns stop far more crime than they are used for crime…..something the medical researchers never look at.

1.5 million times gun are used for self defense

8,124 gun murders.

 

[2aguy]

Add this to the litany of refutations of the Left's lies regarding the God-given right to own and use firearms... .

“There is a compound assertion that guns are uniquely available in the United States compared with other modern developed nations, which is why the United States has by far the highest murder rate,” report Kates and Mauser. “Though these assertions have been endlessly repeated," the statement “is, in fact, false.”

Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark, which have high rates of gun ownership, have low murder rates. On the other hand, in Luxembourg, where handguns are totally banned and ownership of any kind of gun is minimal, the murder rate is nine times higher than Germany. Their source of information? The United Nations' International Study on Firearms Regulation, published by the UN's Economic and Social Council and the United Nations Commission on Crime-Prevention and Criminal Justice.


When Kates and Mauser compared England with the United States, they found “’a negative correlation,’ that is, ‘where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense, violent crime rates are highest.’ There is no consistent significant positive association between gun ownership levels and violence rates.”

In 2004, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences released an evaluation from its review of existing research. After reviewing 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and its own original empirical research, it failed to identify any gun control that had reduced violent crime, suicide, or gun accidents, note Kates and Mauser. ... .


Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Artic...Astonishing-Link.aspx?p=2#oTLQL2b0mhjUEFpm.99

So how many people were killed in Luxembourg in a recent year?

These countries have low murder and violence rates in general…without banning guns…..you could give every Japanese citizen a gun and their gun murder rate would still be tiny….they don't commit crime…..

Gun access isn't the problem…

Again….400 million guns in private hands….only 8,124 gun murders in the entire country, even with all of those guns out there….

The reason the crime rate is low there is that when someone commits a crime they are held accountable rather than something isn't used to excuse it away.

You have gun criminals in Chicago who are in and out of court in 24 hours…..then they go on to actual murder people…..some are given only 3 years for gun crimes and serve less than 2….that is the problem….

 

[Conservative65]

Add this to the litany of refutations of the Left's lies regarding the God-given right to own and use firearms... .

“There is a compound assertion that guns are uniquely available in the United States compared with other modern developed nations, which is why the United States has by far the highest murder rate,” report Kates and Mauser. “Though these assertions have been endlessly repeated," the statement “is, in fact, false.”

Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark, which have high rates of gun ownership, have low murder rates. On the other hand, in Luxembourg, where handguns are totally banned and ownership of any kind of gun is minimal, the murder rate is nine times higher than Germany. Their source of information? The United Nations' International Study on Firearms Regulation, published by the UN's Economic and Social Council and the United Nations Commission on Crime-Prevention and Criminal Justice.


When Kates and Mauser compared England with the United States, they found “’a negative correlation,’ that is, ‘where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense, violent crime rates are highest.’ There is no consistent significant positive association between gun ownership levels and violence rates.”

In 2004, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences released an evaluation from its review of existing research. After reviewing 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and its own original empirical research, it failed to identify any gun control that had reduced violent crime, suicide, or gun accidents, note Kates and Mauser. ... .


Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Artic...Astonishing-Link.aspx?p=2#oTLQL2b0mhjUEFpm.99

So how many people were killed in Luxembourg in a recent year?

These countries have low murder and violence rates in general…without banning guns…..you could give every Japanese citizen a gun and their gun murder rate would still be tiny….they don't commit crime…..

Gun access isn't the problem…

Again….400 million guns in private hands….only 8,124 gun murders in the entire country, even with all of those guns out there….

The reason the crime rate is low there is that when someone commits a crime they are held accountable rather than something isn't used to excuse it away.

You have gun criminals in Chicago who are in and out of court in 24 hours…..then they go on to actual murder people…..some are given only 3 years for gun crimes and serve less than 2….that is the problem….

That's the problem. Japan, etc. deals with criminals based on what they did. Too many courts here take into account what the person's life was like as a kid using it as an excuse to feel sorry for them.

 

[jon_berzerk]

that quote probably made many a leftists faint

--LOL

 

[LOki]

After 8 years of President Hillary, I think we will have some good Supreme Court justices.

U.S. Has More Guns - And Gun Deaths - Than Any Other Country, Study Finds

The United States has more guns and gun deaths than any other developed country in the world, researchers found.

A study by two New York City cardiologists found that the U.S. has 88 guns per 100 people and 10 gun-related deaths per 100,000 people - more than any of the other 27 developed countries they studied.

Japan, on the other hand, had only .6 guns per 100 people and .06 gun-related deaths per 100,000 people, making it the country with both the fewest guns per capita and the fewest gun-related deaths.

Drs. Sripal Bangalore, who works at NYU Langone Medical Center, and Dr. Franz Messerli of St. Luke's Medical Center studied the statistics of guns per capita and gun deaths. They used firearm injury data from the World Health Organization and guns per capita data from the Small Arms Survey to put together a list of 27 developed countries.

They said they carried out their study because of what they said are seemingly baseless claims on either side of the gun control debate.

"I think we need more of what I would call evidence-based discussion and not merely people pulling things out of their hats," Bangalore said. "We hear time and time again about these shootings, especially in the last year or so. A lot of claims are made…so we wanted to look at the data and see if any of this holds water."

Now tell me there is not a problem here. You constantly say the answer is more guns, and we get more guns and more gun deaths. This has been going on for years. And you still insist that your answer is working. A critical mass is approaching, too many Americans are being negatively affected by your answer, and the actions they will force will affect even the guns that I have. You people are the world' s biggest fools. You are working against your own interests.

The whole "Gun Violence" argument = tautology. The entire "gun violence" argument is meaningless.

Asserting that "gun violence" would be diminished by removing guns, is asserting the same kind of meaningless tautology that asserts getting rid of boats would diminish drownings; the argument is specious, and it distracts from discussing a "violence problem"--a problem that is not solvable by the gun-control laws proposed ad-nauseam.

When you deliberately create the special category of "gun violence" so that you can both include violence that was not caused by guns; and exclude violence caused by people (but without using guns), you tacitly admit that you're JUST FINE with all the violence in the world... provided no gun was involved.

"Gun Violence"...the rhetorical tautology that exposes anti-rights advocates for the callous human shit-birds that they are.

 

[LOki]

Kate and Mauser, their actual study...

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

I. VIOLENCE: THE DECISIVENESS OF SOCIAL FACTORS

One reason the extent of gun ownership in a society does not spur the murder rate is that murderers are not spread evenly throughout the population. Analysis of perpetrator studies shows that violent criminals—especially murderers—“almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behav‐ ior.”37 So it would not appreciably raise violence if all law‐ abiding, responsible people had firearms because they are not the ones who rape, rob, or murder.38 By the same token, violent crime would not fall if guns were totally banned to civilians. As the respective examples of Luxembourg and Russia suggest,39 individuals who commit violent crimes will either find guns despite severe controls or will find other weapons to use. 40

Silly ass, the ready availability of guns in our nation is very much a factor in the fact that we have the highest gun death rate of any of the industrial nations. And you only have to look at the decrease in gun deaths in Australia to realize that is one effective answer. If you are working to see that is the answer that will be put in effect here, you could not do it better than you are.

"Gun Violence"...the rhetorical tautology that exposes anti-rights advocates for the callous human shit-birds that they are.

 

[candycorn]

Add this to the litany of refutations of the Left's lies regarding the God-given right to own and use firearms... .

“There is a compound assertion that guns are uniquely available in the United States compared with other modern developed nations, which is why the United States has by far the highest murder rate,” report Kates and Mauser. “Though these assertions have been endlessly repeated," the statement “is, in fact, false.”

Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark, which have high rates of gun ownership, have low murder rates. On the other hand, in Luxembourg, where handguns are totally banned and ownership of any kind of gun is minimal, the murder rate is nine times higher than Germany. Their source of information? The United Nations' International Study on Firearms Regulation, published by the UN's Economic and Social Council and the United Nations Commission on Crime-Prevention and Criminal Justice.


When Kates and Mauser compared England with the United States, they found “’a negative correlation,’ that is, ‘where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense, violent crime rates are highest.’ There is no consistent significant positive association between gun ownership levels and violence rates.”

In 2004, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences released an evaluation from its review of existing research. After reviewing 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and its own original empirical research, it failed to identify any gun control that had reduced violent crime, suicide, or gun accidents, note Kates and Mauser. ... .


Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/News/Artic...Astonishing-Link.aspx?p=2#oTLQL2b0mhjUEFpm.99

So how many people were killed in Luxembourg in a recent year?

These countries have low murder and violence rates in general….

So the worst of Europe has a "very low murder and violence rate".

Thanks...that is all the evidence required to prove they are doing something right and we are doing something very wrong.