Modern American Liberals

[Mac1958]

Both parties have been pulled in opposite directions by the zealots in their midst, leaving an ever-increasing, gaping hole in the center.

And worse, our political system currently doesn't allow for a moderate, sane third party or candidate to cater to most of the country.
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Ah yes....The good old "both sides are the same" bovine feces.

Sorry Mac but one side nominated a moderate center left candidate and the GOP nominated Trump. Both sides are not the same.

Ah yes, another straw man for me.

I've never said the two sides are the same, ever. They do, however, share many behaviors.

And wow, do they hate it when I point it out.
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[frigidweirdo]

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

Surely SOCIALISTS have their religion as socialism. I mean, that's like saying all of the conservatives are Nazis or something.

I do, however, find that anyone with an ideology is generally wrong. Ideologies just make people decide something is right simply because it's a part of their ideology. However many on the left aren't ideological, they just want the best for society. Some want stuff that won't work, others want stuff that will work under certain conditions.

 

[Iceweasel]

Surely SOCIALISTS have their religion as socialism. I mean, that's like saying all of the conservatives are Nazis or something.

I do, however, find that anyone with an ideology is generally wrong. Ideologies just make people decide something is right simply because it's a part of their ideology. However many on the left aren't ideological, they just want the best for society. Some want stuff that won't work, others want stuff that will work under certain conditions.

The NAZIs were socialists, not American style conservatives. Conservatives here want less government. Either you are clueless or accuracy was not your goal.

Lefties aren't ideological? WTF? You're a Moonie, incapable of independent thought. They are so ideological that politics for them is a religion.

 

[Pogo]

Surely SOCIALISTS have their religion as socialism. I mean, that's like saying all of the conservatives are Nazis or something.

I do, however, find that anyone with an ideology is generally wrong. Ideologies just make people decide something is right simply because it's a part of their ideology. However many on the left aren't ideological, they just want the best for society. Some want stuff that won't work, others want stuff that will work under certain conditions.

The NAZIs were socialists, not American style conservatives. Conservatives here want less government. Either you are clueless or accuracy was not your goal.

They were certainly not American style conservatives but nor were they "Socialists". That was just a trendy buzzword of the era, which was already in the party's name before Hitler got there and to which he objected but went along with for its marketing power.

Sticking something you wish to push as a perception into your name doesn't suddenly make you the embodiment of that trait. Just ask the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Or the band "10,000 Maniacs". Or a box of Grape Nuts.

So "Nazi" does not equate one-to-one with "conservative" any more than "racist" does. But the fact remains it's on the "right" of the political spectrum. The WAY right. That doesn't make it the same as American conservatism; it makes it beyond.

 

[Sundance508]

 

[Iceweasel]

Surely SOCIALISTS have their religion as socialism. I mean, that's like saying all of the conservatives are Nazis or something.

I do, however, find that anyone with an ideology is generally wrong. Ideologies just make people decide something is right simply because it's a part of their ideology. However many on the left aren't ideological, they just want the best for society. Some want stuff that won't work, others want stuff that will work under certain conditions.

The NAZIs were socialists, not American style conservatives. Conservatives here want less government. Either you are clueless or accuracy was not your goal.

They were certainly not American style conservatives but nor were they "Socialists". That was just a trendy buzzword of the era, which was already in the party's name before Hitler got there and to which he objected but went along with for its marketing power.

Sticking something you wish to push as a perception into your name doesn't suddenly make you the embodiment of that trait. Just ask the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Or the band "10,000 Maniacs". Or a box of Grape Nuts.

So "Nazi" does not equate one-to-one with "conservative" any more than "racist" does. But the fact remains it's on the "right" of the political spectrum. The WAY right. That doesn't make it the same as American conservatism; it makes it beyond.

Nothing "trendy" about it. The Nazis knew what socialists were. They all but owned business, no one did jack shit without government overseeing every aspect of it.

That's big government, not what American conservatives want, at all. Going further to the right is the opposite of what the Nazis stood for. You are confused.

 

[Syriusly]

Their religion is socialism .

You are a Hitler worshipping fascist who likes to kick puppies.

I have as much proof of my claim as you do of yours.

Hitler didn't see Jews as human beings, you don't see babies in the womb as human beings.

You are a Hitler worshipping fascist who likes to kick puppies.

I have as much proof of my claim as you do of yours.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Surely SOCIALISTS have their religion as socialism. I mean, that's like saying all of the conservatives are Nazis or something.

I do, however, find that anyone with an ideology is generally wrong. Ideologies just make people decide something is right simply because it's a part of their ideology. However many on the left aren't ideological, they just want the best for society. Some want stuff that won't work, others want stuff that will work under certain conditions.

The NAZIs were socialists, not American style conservatives. Conservatives here want less government. Either you are clueless or accuracy was not your goal.

They were certainly not American style conservatives but nor were they "Socialists". That was just a trendy buzzword of the era, which was already in the party's name before Hitler got there and to which he objected but went along with for its marketing power.

Sticking something you wish to push as a perception into your name doesn't suddenly make you the embodiment of that trait. Just ask the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Or the band "10,000 Maniacs". Or a box of Grape Nuts.

So "Nazi" does not equate one-to-one with "conservative" any more than "racist" does. But the fact remains it's on the "right" of the political spectrum. The WAY right. That doesn't make it the same as American conservatism; it makes it beyond.

The problem with many Americans is they can't see past their own borders. I had one person say that North Korea was just like Canada for Americas as North Korea is for China, a total lack of understanding that the rest of the world doesn't work in the same way.

The Nazis had elements of socialism in them, the state controlled everything, but that's more of a "far" in "far right and far left" than it is about socialism. It's like saying the French king ruled over a socialist state because he had absolute power. Ridiculous.

But then again the person you replied to has been on my ignore list for a long time, and for a reason.

 

[Iceweasel]

Surely SOCIALISTS have their religion as socialism. I mean, that's like saying all of the conservatives are Nazis or something.

I do, however, find that anyone with an ideology is generally wrong. Ideologies just make people decide something is right simply because it's a part of their ideology. However many on the left aren't ideological, they just want the best for society. Some want stuff that won't work, others want stuff that will work under certain conditions.

The NAZIs were socialists, not American style conservatives. Conservatives here want less government. Either you are clueless or accuracy was not your goal.

They were certainly not American style conservatives but nor were they "Socialists". That was just a trendy buzzword of the era, which was already in the party's name before Hitler got there and to which he objected but went along with for its marketing power.

Sticking something you wish to push as a perception into your name doesn't suddenly make you the embodiment of that trait. Just ask the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Or the band "10,000 Maniacs". Or a box of Grape Nuts.

So "Nazi" does not equate one-to-one with "conservative" any more than "racist" does. But the fact remains it's on the "right" of the political spectrum. The WAY right. That doesn't make it the same as American conservatism; it makes it beyond.

The problem with many Americans is they can't see past their own borders. I had one person say that North Korea was just like Canada for Americas as North Korea is for China, a total lack of understanding that the rest of the world doesn't work in the same way.

The Nazis had elements of socialism in them, the state controlled everything, but that's more of a "far" in "far right and far left" than it is about socialism. It's like saying the French king ruled over a socialist state because he had absolute power. Ridiculous.

But then again the person you replied to has been on my ignore list for a long time, and for a reason.

Your inability to process what's in front of you can't be covered up by blaming others. The state controlling everything a business does isn't a far right thing by American standards, period. Trying to massage it so just means you are an ideologue trying to fit facts into a belief. Like any other fundamentalist.

 

[ding]

It all stinks to high heaven and it doesn't seem to bother you.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't like it. What would you propose I do?

 

[Iceweasel]

It all stinks to high heaven and it doesn't seem to bother you.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't like it. What would you propose I do?

I have no idea either. How far back do I need to search for the conversation?

 

[Bush92]

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

Eugene V. Debs socialist is what they are.

 

[toxicmedia]

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

You're an idiot, and all of that, however succinctly phrased, is pure drivel

 

[ding]

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

You're an idiot, and all of that, however succinctly phrased, is pure drivel

Why thank you for recognizing how well it was written. Every word of it is true.

 

[ding]

It all stinks to high heaven and it doesn't seem to bother you.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't like it. What would you propose I do?

I have no idea either. How far back do I need to search for the conversation?

4 pages back. The last post I made. You seem to be blaming me for not caring if Hillary got elected. Some things are beyond my control.

 

[ding]

Surely SOCIALISTS have their religion as socialism. I mean, that's like saying all of the conservatives are Nazis or something.

I do, however, find that anyone with an ideology is generally wrong. Ideologies just make people decide something is right simply because it's a part of their ideology. However many on the left aren't ideological, they just want the best for society. Some want stuff that won't work, others want stuff that will work under certain conditions.

The NAZIs were socialists, not American style conservatives. Conservatives here want less government. Either you are clueless or accuracy was not your goal.

They were certainly not American style conservatives but nor were they "Socialists". That was just a trendy buzzword of the era, which was already in the party's name before Hitler got there and to which he objected but went along with for its marketing power.

Sticking something you wish to push as a perception into your name doesn't suddenly make you the embodiment of that trait. Just ask the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Or the band "10,000 Maniacs". Or a box of Grape Nuts.

So "Nazi" does not equate one-to-one with "conservative" any more than "racist" does. But the fact remains it's on the "right" of the political spectrum. The WAY right. That doesn't make it the same as American conservatism; it makes it beyond.

The History Place - Rise of Hitler: The 25 Points of Hitler's Nazi Party

 

[Iceweasel]

It all stinks to high heaven and it doesn't seem to bother you.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't like it. What would you propose I do?

I have no idea either. How far back do I need to search for the conversation?

4 pages back. The last post I made. You seem to be blaming me for not caring if Hillary got elected. Some things are beyond my control.

I don't feel like searching four pages back, hard to have a conversation like that. We can only do so much, I cast my vote and hope for the best but I am beyond having any faith in the population.

 

[Pogo]

The state controlling everything a business does isn't a far right thing by American standards, period.

True that it's not really part of the traditional "right" or "left" two-dimensional spectrum. Rather, it's authoritarian, which may manifest to the right or left. In the case of Nazi Germany it was on the way-right. "Kinder, Kirche, Kuche" is not a left thing, nor is the idea of racial/religious stratification. So it manifested in terms of the right, but mostly it manifested in terms of absolute control -- which is why we call that shit Authoritarianism.

True also that it's not a right thing "by American standards" -- because fascism is effectively the opposite of Liberalism, which is what this country is founded on. So by its very nature it doesn't fit anywhere in "American standards".

 

[Desperado]

Modern American Liberals are a lot of things but what they are not is American.
So their very name is an Oxymoron. They definitely do not believe in the American way.
Traitors to say the least.

 

[Pogo]

Surely SOCIALISTS have their religion as socialism. I mean, that's like saying all of the conservatives are Nazis or something.

I do, however, find that anyone with an ideology is generally wrong. Ideologies just make people decide something is right simply because it's a part of their ideology. However many on the left aren't ideological, they just want the best for society. Some want stuff that won't work, others want stuff that will work under certain conditions.

The NAZIs were socialists, not American style conservatives. Conservatives here want less government. Either you are clueless or accuracy was not your goal.

They were certainly not American style conservatives but nor were they "Socialists". That was just a trendy buzzword of the era, which was already in the party's name before Hitler got there and to which he objected but went along with for its marketing power.

Sticking something you wish to push as a perception into your name doesn't suddenly make you the embodiment of that trait. Just ask the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Or the band "10,000 Maniacs". Or a box of Grape Nuts.

So "Nazi" does not equate one-to-one with "conservative" any more than "racist" does. But the fact remains it's on the "right" of the political spectrum. The WAY right. That doesn't make it the same as American conservatism; it makes it beyond.

Nothing "trendy" about it. The Nazis knew what socialists were. They all but owned business, no one did jack shit without government overseeing every aspect of it.

That's big government, not what American conservatives want, at all. Going further to the right is the opposite of what the Nazis stood for. You are confused.

Again --- the SIZE of a government is irrelevant to its "right" or "left" characteristics. That's a whole different axis -- the "social" (vertical) axis, which is that government's attitude toward its own people.

Bigger government doesn't mean "more right" or "more left"--- it means more Authoritarian.

Above you see Hitler to the right of center--- but mainly what you see is he's WAY up at the top, which means über-Authoritarian.

That's the direction "bigger government" goes on this graph --- not right or left but UP.
You see Stalin up there too? Well there you go.