Modern American Liberals

[Pogo]

Modern American Liberals are a lot of things but what they are not is American.
So their very name is an Oxymoron. They definitely do not believe in the American way.
Traitors to say the least.

Actually it was Liberalism that founded this country.
Welcome to the United States. Please take a moment to learn our history.

 

[Iceweasel]

Surely SOCIALISTS have their religion as socialism. I mean, that's like saying all of the conservatives are Nazis or something.

I do, however, find that anyone with an ideology is generally wrong. Ideologies just make people decide something is right simply because it's a part of their ideology. However many on the left aren't ideological, they just want the best for society. Some want stuff that won't work, others want stuff that will work under certain conditions.

The NAZIs were socialists, not American style conservatives. Conservatives here want less government. Either you are clueless or accuracy was not your goal.

They were certainly not American style conservatives but nor were they "Socialists". That was just a trendy buzzword of the era, which was already in the party's name before Hitler got there and to which he objected but went along with for its marketing power.

Sticking something you wish to push as a perception into your name doesn't suddenly make you the embodiment of that trait. Just ask the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Or the band "10,000 Maniacs". Or a box of Grape Nuts.

So "Nazi" does not equate one-to-one with "conservative" any more than "racist" does. But the fact remains it's on the "right" of the political spectrum. The WAY right. That doesn't make it the same as American conservatism; it makes it beyond.

Nothing "trendy" about it. The Nazis knew what socialists were. They all but owned business, no one did jack shit without government overseeing every aspect of it.

That's big government, not what American conservatives want, at all. Going further to the right is the opposite of what the Nazis stood for. You are confused.

Again --- the SIZE of a government is irrelevant to its "right" or "left" characteristics. That's a whole different axis -- the "social" (vertical) axis, which is that government's attitude toward its own people.

Bigger government doesn't mean "more right" or "more left"--- it means more Authoritarian.

Above you see Hitler to the right of center--- but mainly what you see is he's WAY up at the top, which means über-Authoritarian.

That's the direction "bigger government" goes on this graph --- not right or left but UP.
You see Stalin up there too? Well there you go.

LOL, you present a chart as if it supercedes all else. Bigger government IS more leftist. More control, less freedom, less individual decision making is what it mean to be on the left. Communism is the ultimate level of control, the antithesis of american right wing conservativism.

 

[Iceweasel]

Actually it was Liberalism that founded this country.
Welcome to the United States. Please take a moment to learn our history.

Actually, no. The founders broke away from big government, over bearing control and central planning. Please take a moment to pry your head out of its' safe space.

 

[Pogo]

Actually it was Liberalism that founded this country.
Welcome to the United States. Please take a moment to learn our history.

Actually, no. The founders broke away from big government, over bearing control and central planning. Please take a moment to pry your head out of its' safe space.

Again --- as already explained to the literate ---- neither Liberalism, nor "right", nor "left" have anything to do with "bigness".

We'll just give you a moment or three to learn how to read.

Surely SOCIALISTS have their religion as socialism. I mean, that's like saying all of the conservatives are Nazis or something.

I do, however, find that anyone with an ideology is generally wrong. Ideologies just make people decide something is right simply because it's a part of their ideology. However many on the left aren't ideological, they just want the best for society. Some want stuff that won't work, others want stuff that will work under certain conditions.

The NAZIs were socialists, not American style conservatives. Conservatives here want less government. Either you are clueless or accuracy was not your goal.

They were certainly not American style conservatives but nor were they "Socialists". That was just a trendy buzzword of the era, which was already in the party's name before Hitler got there and to which he objected but went along with for its marketing power.

Sticking something you wish to push as a perception into your name doesn't suddenly make you the embodiment of that trait. Just ask the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Or the band "10,000 Maniacs". Or a box of Grape Nuts.

So "Nazi" does not equate one-to-one with "conservative" any more than "racist" does. But the fact remains it's on the "right" of the political spectrum. The WAY right. That doesn't make it the same as American conservatism; it makes it beyond.

Nothing "trendy" about it. The Nazis knew what socialists were. They all but owned business, no one did jack shit without government overseeing every aspect of it.

That's big government, not what American conservatives want, at all. Going further to the right is the opposite of what the Nazis stood for. You are confused.

Again --- the SIZE of a government is irrelevant to its "right" or "left" characteristics. That's a whole different axis -- the "social" (vertical) axis, which is that government's attitude toward its own people.

Bigger government doesn't mean "more right" or "more left"--- it means more Authoritarian.

Above you see Hitler to the right of center--- but mainly what you see is he's WAY up at the top, which means über-Authoritarian.

That's the direction "bigger government" goes on this graph --- not right or left but UP.
You see Stalin up there too? Well there you go.

LOL, you present a chart as if it supercedes all else. Bigger government IS more leftist. More control, less freedom, less individual decision making is what it mean to be on the left. Communism is the ultimate level of control, the antithesis of american right wing conservativism.

Again, as already explained to the literate --- that's the Authoritarian/Libertarian scale, not the "right-left" one. You can't make the case that either "right" or "left" has a relationship with the SIZE of government. Can't do it.

 

[Iceweasel]

Actually it was Liberalism that founded this country.
Welcome to the United States. Please take a moment to learn our history.

Actually, no. The founders broke away from big government, over bearing control and central planning. Please take a moment to pry your head out of its' safe space.

Again --- as already explained to the literate ---- neither Liberalism, nor "right", nor "left" have anything to do with "bigness".

We'll just give you a moment or three to learn how to read.

Again, repeating your error won't make it true.

More government=bigger government.
Liberals want more government.
Liberals are on the left.

Those are facts you cannot dismiss with any credibility. Wanting more government is a liberal hallmark so it has everything to do with government bigness.

 

[Desperado]

Modern American Liberals are a lot of things but what they are not is American.
So their very name is an Oxymoron. They definitely do not believe in the American way.
Traitors to say the least.

Actually it was Liberalism that founded this country.
Welcome to the United States. Please take a moment to learn our history.

Sorry fool but the key word here is "Modern"
Today's Liberals are nothing more that socialists.

 

[Pogo]

Modern American Liberals are a lot of things but what they are not is American.
So their very name is an Oxymoron. They definitely do not believe in the American way.
Traitors to say the least.

Actually it was Liberalism that founded this country.
Welcome to the United States. Please take a moment to learn our history.

Sorry fool but the key word here is "Modern"
Today's Liberals are nothing more that socialists.

Liberals are on the left.

Nope. Liberalism is neither "left" nor "right". In fact it's periodically opposed by both.

What you're doing here is misusing the term, and in Weasel's post inserting strawmen into it that aren't present. A term doesn't morph into its own opposite just because you can't be bothered to use it correctly. That's on you, not the terminology.

This page may help. Read and learn.

 

[ding]

Probably time to re-post the OP

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

 

[EverCurious]

While I dislike the "they are EVIL" over tones I do agree. Authoritarian, collectivism. Not Freedom? Not American. It is simple.

 

[Dr Grump]

Probably time to re-post the OP

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

It is this type of empty rhetoric as to why your country is so fucked at the moment.

 

[ding]

Probably time to re-post the OP

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

It is this type of empty rhetoric as to why your country is so fucked at the moment.

It seems like empty rhetoric but when their deceit says otherwise.

 

[regent]

At one time happiness was to be found in the hereafter not in this lifetime, but that idea gradually changed and people began to want happiness in this lifetime. Liberals believed that people should be able to pursue happiness now, today. and a government that helped people pursue happiness sounded even better.

 

[Pogo]

Probably time to re-post the OP

Their religion is socialism which worships big government and social policy. It is based on atheism and deification of man. It proceeds in almost all its manifestations from the assumption that the basic principles guiding the life of an individual and of mankind in general do not go beyond the satisfaction of material needs or primitive instincts. They have no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. Their doctrine is abolition of private property, abolition of family, abolition of religion and communality or equality. The religious nature of socialism explains the extraordinary attraction to socialist doctrines and its capacity to inflame individuals and inspire popular movements and condemn respect for any who believe in Christianity. They practice moral relativity, indiscriminate indiscriminateness, multiculturalism, cultural marxism and normalization of deviance. Their hostility towards traditional religions is that of an animosity between a rival religion. They can be identified by an external locus of control. They worship science but are the first to argue against it. They are modern American liberals.

So you're saying a hundred posts later you haven't learned a damn thing.

 

[Dr Grump]

It seems like empty rhetoric but when their deceit says otherwise.

Nope. Nothing but alarmist rhetoric with nothing to back it up..