Model Prosecution Memo for Trump Classified Documents

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[lantern2814]

Did Biden attempt to obstruct the return of those documents?

Nope!

Did he brag to unauthorized people about those documents and tell them the contents?

Nope!

Did he deliberately hide classified documents when asked to return them?

Nope!

No dumbfuck, he denied having them until a third party blew him in. He kept documents in an unsecured room that the Chinese had full access to. Kept them in his unsecured garage. And more and more keep turning up. Your ignorance is astounding. But not surprising.

 

[lantern2814]

Strike three!

There is nothing to negotiate. The records are the property of the National Archives.

Understand the word "obstruction"?

Wrong dumbfuck. Courts have rules that NARA has no authority to determine what is or isn’t a Presidential record. Damn, slapping you down is too easy....

JUDICIAL WATCH, INC. v. NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION, No. 1:2010cv01834 - Document 13 (D.D.C. 2012)

JUDICIAL WATCH, INC. v. NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION, No. 1:2010cv01834 - Document 13 (D.D.C. 2012) case opinion from the District of Columbia U.S. Federal District Court

law.justia.com

Right at the beginning. NARA can not determine what is a Presidential record.

 

[lantern2814]

Obama returned his presidential records to NARA.

Obama then requested that some of those records be scanned and digitized so replicas could be loaned to him to use in his presidential library.

Obama paid $3,300,000 for the cost of the digitizing and storage.

Which has FUCK-ALL to do with Trump hiding classified documents from NARA and lying about it.

Time to embarrass you again. But you’ll just cry “fake!”, cry about the source and run away as usual. By the way, it right here states that ZERO documents have been digitized by Obozo. Oops...

Obama, Nixon delayed for years in returning Presidential Records Act-covered documents

The Presidential Records Act has come into the spotlight after FBI agents raided former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence under the suspicion that he has held onto documents covered under this act.

thepostmillennial.com

 

[g5000]

• The Obama Foundation made the decision in May 2017 not to construct a Presidential Library for NARA to house the paper records and physical artifacts. Instead, the Foundation intended to provide funding for the digitization of records so they could be made available online. NARA in turn announced a New Model for the Preservation and Accessibility of Presidential Records in a May 2017 press release.

• Unfortunately, the COVID-19 pandemic has impacted these plans. Digitization plans are on hold. With the Obama Presidential records becoming subject to Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests on January 20, 2022, NARA will process textual records in a traditional manner, with archival staff processing responsive textual records requested via FOIA from the textual record.

• NARA will then digitize these processed records in the same manner records are digitized at other Presidential Libraries as part of the FOIA review and access process. Digitization of these processed records will occur after review/notification has been completed. The paper records will continue to be preserved as permanent records after digitization is complete.

Updated Information About Obama Presidential Library

The Barack Obama Presidential Library plans to employ a new virtual model that makes records available online. The below bullet points and list of frequently asked questions provide background details and additional information. The Presidential Libraries Act of 1955 codified the acceptance, in...

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[lennypartiv]

More Indictments coming...tick tock.

More persecution coming.

 

[Lesh]

More persecution coming.

The word you were looking for is “prosecution”

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

These are the whataboutism questions that matter.

What about Donald Trump being responsible for his own actions?

What about his absconding with intel secrets?

What about the former president facing retribution for his lifetime of shameful and illegal behavior?

 

[lennypartiv]

These are the whataboutism questions that matter.
What about Donald Trump being responsible for his own actions?
What about his absconding with intel secrets?
What about the former president facing retribution for his lifetime of shameful and illegal behavior?

What about the fact that the president can declassify documents?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

What about the fact that the president can declassify documents?

But he did not classify the material he had is the point.

lenny, the OrangeGod is going to be juiced.

 

[JoeB131]

What about the fact that the president can declassify documents?

Except there is a process for Declassifying Documents.

The president says that he wants to declassify a document, then that request is sent to all the agencies that had a hand in preparing that document, and they submit reports saying why they think the document should or should not be declassified.

Trump didn't do this. If ANYONE ELSE had this document, they would be in trouble. Once he became a private citizen, then he no longer had a right to these documents, and certainly had no business showing them to Kid Rock.

 

[Aldo Raine]

FYI, as a Senator on the Foreign Relations Committee, Biden did have classified clearance...

(Not to take the crap home with him, though)

I did read that both Biden and Pence classified documents were found in boxes packed from when they left office....they could have been packed by mistake, or unknowingly by both of them.

Yup, same could be said for tRump. However only 1 of them did all they could including lying about having them and asking his lawyers to do the same.
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[Aldo Raine]

The assistant had clearance to see classified documents? Biden shared classified documents with an assistant?

Apparently same as tRump, correct?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yup, same could be said for tRump. However only 1 of them did all they could including lying about having them and asking his lawyers to do the same.
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What can't be said for Trump is that he fought with the DOJ about returning documents that were not lawful to be in his possession. Pence, Biden, etc., did not lie to federal agents, did not hide documents or fly them around the countyry, and suborn others to lie.

DJT is in a world of hurt all of his own and all of his own making.

 

[Aldo Raine]

What can't be said for Trump is that he fought with the DOJ about returning documents that were not lawful to be in his possession. Pence, Biden, etc., did not lie to federal agents, did not hide documents or fly them around the countyry, and suborn others to lie.

DJT is in a world of hurt all of his own and all of his own making.

Thought I said that very thing in my previous post!

 

[lennypartiv]

Liberals claim to be "thinking." Geez, that's dangerous.

 

[Kilroy2]

The tapes. They were the downfall of Nixon and their are tapes with commentary from Trump. He is talking about classified documents with his aids. This tape is over a year ago. He admits that the document is classified He wants to use it for something but it is discovered that the documents have classified markings. A year later the FBI raids his home. So for about a year he knew he had classified documents and did not try to return them. Unlike Biden who turn over his documents, Trump kept them. Its like a bomb sitting in his home waiting to blow up.

If these tapes are admitted as evidence in his trial and hold up to be authentic then Trump loses and has been lying. IF the people who were in this meeting testify, Trump loses.

We can also see why Trump is running for re-election. He wants to pardon himself.

Donald Trump recorded saying he kept classified file after leaving office

Prosecutors investigating the former president's handling of classified files obtain an audio tape.

www.bbc.com

 

[lennypartiv]

The tapes. They were the downfall of Nixon and their are tapes with commentary from Trump.

I don't see it that way. Especially since the president can declassify documents.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I don't see it that way. Especially since the president can declassify documents.

Not when he is out of office. Not by saying "they are declassified." There are protocols he must follow.

And he said the info was top secret. On tape. He convicted himself.

 

[Kilroy2]

I don't see it that way. Especially since the president can declassify documents.

Basic statement that assumes that Trump went thru the process to declassify and that he can just declassify by thinking it. President can declassify but their is a process. Trump cannot declassify nuclear secrets. The process is He has to notify the agency that established the classification. They can argue that it needs to stay as classified. He has the final decision but most presidents will listen to the agency that established the classification. The tape has Trump admitting that the documents were still classified when talking to his aides. There is no documentation showing trump declassify the documents.

Yes , the president may have the final say but there is a process. Trump has provided no proof that he went thru the process other than he says so.

In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.

As the new ABA Legal Fact Check notes, the extent of a president’s legal authority to unilaterally declassify materials — without following formal procedures — has yet to be challenged in court.

Fact check explores presidential authority to declassify

More than two months after FBI agents seized boxes of materials at former President Donald Trump’s Florida residence, known as Mar-a-Lago, the federal investigation continues amid conflicting legal interpretations of a president’s authority

www.americanbar.org

Classified documents seized from Trump can be used now in criminal investigation, 11th Circuit rules

The ABA Journal is read by half of the nation's 1 million lawyers every month. It covers the trends, people and finances of the legal profession from Wall Street to Main Street to Pennsylvania Avenue.

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The appeal court has already ruled

For our part,” the appeals court said, “we cannot discern why plaintiff would have an individual interest in or need for any of the 100 documents with classification markings.”

Trump “has not even attempted to show that he has a need to know the information contained in the classified documents. Nor has he established that the current administration has waived that requirement for these documents. … Plaintiff suggests that he may have declassified these documents when he was president. But the record contains no evidence that any of these records were declassified.