Minimum Wage Increase: They Never Talks About the SALES

[paulitician]

Still not seeing how the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy.

This has been explained to you. You offer no contest; just denial of well established economic realities.

We have more Millionaires and Billionaires than ever before in our history.

Not relevant. Just another distracting appeal to emotion.

Paying struggling workers a decent wage isn't gonna break the bank. Seriously, it's true. Anyway, have a good Saturday. See ya.

Patently wrong for OBVIOUS reasons.

no loki, it is NOT well established that the minimum wage hikes have hurt the economy, nor has it been established that they have raised our country's unemployment rates or hurt the economy's growth in the 22 times minimum wage has gone up in our nation.

All figures from said increases show NO EFFECT on the Nations unemployment rate and NO EFFECT on inflation rates for the Nation either....

The numbers are not with you...so what are you seeing that I am not seeing?

Can you show the numbers you have analyzed to come to this conclusion?

I agree with you that it seems like this would be the case...but the statistics/numbers proving such, just aren't there to support the theory....
Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

<<COPY/PASTE BLERF SNIPPED IN THE NAME OF SANITY>>​

I have submitted and explained to you the well established economic principles that describe how statutory minimum wage is necessarily harmful to the economy.

I have examined plenty of data... yet none of it was corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities) that are active in the same time periods.

An injured athlete pumped full of pain-killers and cortisone feels and functions just fine... would you still say he was not harmed?

Of course not.

Do you have such data--corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities)--that would so soundly refute the points I submitted? If so, please present them so we can examine them together.

Minimum Wage has never caused more Unemployment. You don't have any evidence supporting otherwise. If you do, let's have it. I'm an open-minded individual.

Do you think it could? Do you think it's possible to raise the minimum enough that it would cause unemployment or inflation? If so, how high would that be?

I suppose it is possible. But there are so many other variables to take into account when it comes to Unemployment and Inflation. The Minimum Wage doesn't play a significant role. The usual suspects always predict higher unemployment and higher cost of goods. And while those things do occur, the Minimum Wage has little, if nothing to do with it.

It's been raised many times in the past, and none of the 'Sky is Falling' predictions have ever panned out. So i wouldn't rely on predictions being made by people who've been proven wrong everytime in the past.

 

[paulitician]

Let's be real, $9 an hr is gonna make anyone rich. In fact, that's pretty much shite nowadays. My God, just rent alone, is a killer in today's America. The Minimum Wage needs to be at least somewhere between $10-$12.

With that, more will pay taxes and maybe even have some disposable income to spend back into the economy. It'll benefit us all in the long run. It's the logical alternative to supporting millions more who'll need Government Entitlements to survive.

But see, back in 2006, the prices were lower. And the minimum wage was $5.25. Now it's $7.25 or higher in most places.

Every time you raise the minimum wage, we never have this great big boost in the economy, nor is everyone able to afford everything they want.

It never works. So now it's $7.25, and we're hearing the exact same argument we heard when it was $5.25.

Every time you move the line, the target moves farther away.

And no, it won't benefit us in the long run, because more people will be on government benefits as jobs dry up, as they have EVERY TIME the minimum wage goes up.

There isn't any evidence proving that raising Minimum Wage adversely effects the economy.

Do you deny that minimum wage has always been trivially low, and that it's only decreased over time, in terms of actual value? Why would there be any evidence? If anything, there should be evidence of the opposite. And lo and behold .....

During the time it's existed, more Millionaires & Billionaires have been created than ever before in history. Raising Minimum Wage has little to no impact. So let's get em working, paying taxes, and spending some money back into the economy. $10-$12 is a good starting point. But it'll still be a struggle.

This is exactly right, but you fail to recognize the significance of this observation. Minimum wage is supported by the powers that be, quite deliberately, because it maintains an underclass. Because it placates the masses with false security and allows the millionaires and billionaires to bilk us, while pretending to do the opposite. You're propagating a fraud, a delusion and a distraction.

Could be true. But in my observation, most Businesses vehemently oppose the Minimum Wage. So i'm not ready to subscribe to your theory yet.

Most people, including most business owners, aren't millionaire or billionaires.

Why can't they afford to pay Minimum Wage? If they're struggling with that, their Business is likely doomed to failure. It's real simple in the end... If you don't wanna pay workers a modest decent wage, then simply do the work yourself. No one is forcing you to hire workers.

 

[dblack]

This has been explained to you. You offer no contest; just denial of well established economic realities.


Not relevant. Just another distracting appeal to emotion.

Patently wrong for OBVIOUS reasons.

no loki, it is NOT well established that the minimum wage hikes have hurt the economy, nor has it been established that they have raised our country's unemployment rates or hurt the economy's growth in the 22 times minimum wage has gone up in our nation.

All figures from said increases show NO EFFECT on the Nations unemployment rate and NO EFFECT on inflation rates for the Nation either....

The numbers are not with you...so what are you seeing that I am not seeing?

Can you show the numbers you have analyzed to come to this conclusion?

I agree with you that it seems like this would be the case...but the statistics/numbers proving such, just aren't there to support the theory....
Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

<<COPY/PASTE BLERF SNIPPED IN THE NAME OF SANITY>>​

I have submitted and explained to you the well established economic principles that describe how statutory minimum wage is necessarily harmful to the economy.

I have examined plenty of data... yet none of it was corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities) that are active in the same time periods.

An injured athlete pumped full of pain-killers and cortisone feels and functions just fine... would you still say he was not harmed?

Of course not.

Do you have such data--corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities)--that would so soundly refute the points I submitted? If so, please present them so we can examine them together.

Minimum Wage has never caused more Unemployment. You don't have any evidence supporting otherwise. If you do, let's have it. I'm an open-minded individual.

Do you think it could? Do you think it's possible to raise the minimum enough that it would cause unemployment or inflation? If so, how high would that be?

I suppose it is possible. But there are so many other variables to take into account when it comes to Unemployment and Inflation. The Minimum Wage doesn't play a significant role. The usual suspects always predict higher unemployment and higher cost of goods. And while those things do occur, the Minimum Wage has little, if nothing to do with it.

It's been raised many times in the past, and none of the 'Sky is Falling' predictions have ever panned out. So i wouldn't rely on predictions being made by people who've been proven wrong everytime in the past.

Well, the point you keep ignoring is that it's never been raised significantly. How high do you think it could be raised without negative consequences?

 

[dblack]

This has been explained to you. You offer no contest; just denial of well established economic realities.


Not relevant. Just another distracting appeal to emotion.

Patently wrong for OBVIOUS reasons.

no loki, it is NOT well established that the minimum wage hikes have hurt the economy, nor has it been established that they have raised our country's unemployment rates or hurt the economy's growth in the 22 times minimum wage has gone up in our nation.

All figures from said increases show NO EFFECT on the Nations unemployment rate and NO EFFECT on inflation rates for the Nation either....

The numbers are not with you...so what are you seeing that I am not seeing?

Can you show the numbers you have analyzed to come to this conclusion?

I agree with you that it seems like this would be the case...but the statistics/numbers proving such, just aren't there to support the theory....
Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

<<COPY/PASTE BLERF SNIPPED IN THE NAME OF SANITY>>​

I have submitted and explained to you the well established economic principles that describe how statutory minimum wage is necessarily harmful to the economy.

I have examined plenty of data... yet none of it was corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities) that are active in the same time periods.

An injured athlete pumped full of pain-killers and cortisone feels and functions just fine... would you still say he was not harmed?

Of course not.

Do you have such data--corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities)--that would so soundly refute the points I submitted? If so, please present them so we can examine them together.

Minimum Wage has never caused more Unemployment. You don't have any evidence supporting otherwise. If you do, let's have it. I'm an open-minded individual.

Do you think it could? Do you think it's possible to raise the minimum enough that it would cause unemployment or inflation? If so, how high would that be?

would inflation driven by wages be worse than what we have now?

Yes. More inflation, regardless of the cause, is bad for workers and the middle class. It's really only helpful to bankers and politicians.

 

[dblack]

But see, back in 2006, the prices were lower. And the minimum wage was $5.25. Now it's $7.25 or higher in most places.

Every time you raise the minimum wage, we never have this great big boost in the economy, nor is everyone able to afford everything they want.

It never works. So now it's $7.25, and we're hearing the exact same argument we heard when it was $5.25.

Every time you move the line, the target moves farther away.

And no, it won't benefit us in the long run, because more people will be on government benefits as jobs dry up, as they have EVERY TIME the minimum wage goes up.

There isn't any evidence proving that raising Minimum Wage adversely effects the economy.

Do you deny that minimum wage has always been trivially low, and that it's only decreased over time, in terms of actual value? Why would there be any evidence? If anything, there should be evidence of the opposite. And lo and behold .....

During the time it's existed, more Millionaires & Billionaires have been created than ever before in history. Raising Minimum Wage has little to no impact. So let's get em working, paying taxes, and spending some money back into the economy. $10-$12 is a good starting point. But it'll still be a struggle.

This is exactly right, but you fail to recognize the significance of this observation. Minimum wage is supported by the powers that be, quite deliberately, because it maintains an underclass. Because it placates the masses with false security and allows the millionaires and billionaires to bilk us, while pretending to do the opposite. You're propagating a fraud, a delusion and a distraction.

Could be true. But in my observation, most Businesses vehemently oppose the Minimum Wage. So i'm not ready to subscribe to your theory yet.

Most people, including most business owners, aren't millionaire or billionaires.

Why can't they afford to pay Minimum Wage? If they're struggling with that, their Business is likely doomed to failure. It's real simple in the end... If you don't wanna pay workers a modest decent wage, then simply do the work yourself. No one is forcing you to hire workers.

And do you see how this plays into the hands of the "millionaires and billionaires"? Established, dominant companies benefit from regulation that hampers leaner competitors.

 

[paulitician]

no loki, it is NOT well established that the minimum wage hikes have hurt the economy, nor has it been established that they have raised our country's unemployment rates or hurt the economy's growth in the 22 times minimum wage has gone up in our nation.

All figures from said increases show NO EFFECT on the Nations unemployment rate and NO EFFECT on inflation rates for the Nation either....

The numbers are not with you...so what are you seeing that I am not seeing?

Can you show the numbers you have analyzed to come to this conclusion?

I agree with you that it seems like this would be the case...but the statistics/numbers proving such, just aren't there to support the theory....
Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

<<COPY/PASTE BLERF SNIPPED IN THE NAME OF SANITY>>​

I have submitted and explained to you the well established economic principles that describe how statutory minimum wage is necessarily harmful to the economy.

I have examined plenty of data... yet none of it was corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities) that are active in the same time periods.

An injured athlete pumped full of pain-killers and cortisone feels and functions just fine... would you still say he was not harmed?

Of course not.

Do you have such data--corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities)--that would so soundly refute the points I submitted? If so, please present them so we can examine them together.

Minimum Wage has never caused more Unemployment. You don't have any evidence supporting otherwise. If you do, let's have it. I'm an open-minded individual.

Do you think it could? Do you think it's possible to raise the minimum enough that it would cause unemployment or inflation? If so, how high would that be?

would inflation driven by wages be worse than what we have now?

Yes. Inflation is really only helpful to bankers and politicians.

Minimum Wage plays no significant role in Inflation and Unemployment. Other much more significant factors do.

 

[dblack]

I have submitted and explained to you the well established economic principles that describe how statutory minimum wage is necessarily harmful to the economy.

I have examined plenty of data... yet none of it was corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities) that are active in the same time periods.

An injured athlete pumped full of pain-killers and cortisone feels and functions just fine... would you still say he was not harmed?

Of course not.

Do you have such data--corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities)--that would so soundly refute the points I submitted? If so, please present them so we can examine them together.

Minimum Wage has never caused more Unemployment. You don't have any evidence supporting otherwise. If you do, let's have it. I'm an open-minded individual.

Do you think it could? Do you think it's possible to raise the minimum enough that it would cause unemployment or inflation? If so, how high would that be?

would inflation driven by wages be worse than what we have now?

Yes. Inflation is really only helpful to bankers and politicians.

Minimum Wage plays no significant role in Inflation and Unemployment. Other much more significant factors do.

Even if it was raised significantly?

 

[paulitician]

There isn't any evidence proving that raising Minimum Wage adversely effects the economy.

Do you deny that minimum wage has always been trivially low, and that it's only decreased over time, in terms of actual value? Why would there be any evidence? If anything, there should be evidence of the opposite. And lo and behold .....

During the time it's existed, more Millionaires & Billionaires have been created than ever before in history. Raising Minimum Wage has little to no impact. So let's get em working, paying taxes, and spending some money back into the economy. $10-$12 is a good starting point. But it'll still be a struggle.

This is exactly right, but you fail to recognize the significance of this observation. Minimum wage is supported by the powers that be, quite deliberately, because it maintains an underclass. Because it placates the masses with false security and allows the millionaires and billionaires to bilk us, while pretending to do the opposite. You're propagating a fraud, a delusion and a distraction.

Could be true. But in my observation, most Businesses vehemently oppose the Minimum Wage. So i'm not ready to subscribe to your theory yet.

Most people, including most business owners, aren't millionaire or billionaires.

Why can't they afford to pay Minimum Wage? If they're struggling with that, their Business is likely doomed to failure. It's real simple in the end... If you don't wanna pay workers a modest decent wage, then simply do the work yourself. No one is forcing you to hire workers.

And do you see how this plays into the hands of the "millionaires and billionaires"? Established, dominant companies benefit from regulation that hampers leaner competitors.

I hear ya, but that ship sailed a long time ago. The large Corporations own it all now. They've already crushed small businesses. It is sad, but it is the current reality. And they can afford to pay a worker a survivable wage.

 

[dblack]

Do you deny that minimum wage has always been trivially low, and that it's only decreased over time, in terms of actual value? Why would there be any evidence? If anything, there should be evidence of the opposite. And lo and behold .....

This is exactly right, but you fail to recognize the significance of this observation. Minimum wage is supported by the powers that be, quite deliberately, because it maintains an underclass. Because it placates the masses with false security and allows the millionaires and billionaires to bilk us, while pretending to do the opposite. You're propagating a fraud, a delusion and a distraction.

Could be true. But in my observation, most Businesses vehemently oppose the Minimum Wage. So i'm not ready to subscribe to your theory yet.

Most people, including most business owners, aren't millionaire or billionaires.

Why can't they afford to pay Minimum Wage? If they're struggling with that, their Business is likely doomed to failure. It's real simple in the end... If you don't wanna pay workers a modest decent wage, then simply do the work yourself. No one is forcing you to hire workers.

And do you see how this plays into the hands of the "millionaires and billionaires"? Established, dominant companies benefit from regulation that hampers leaner competitors.

I hear ya, but that ship sailed a long time ago. The large Corporations own it all now. They've already crushed small businesses. It is sad, but it is the current reality. And they can afford to pay a worker a survivable wage.

As long as we're clear that what you're advocating is sacrificing the middle class to the desires of the very rich and the very poor.

 

[paulitician]

Could be true. But in my observation, most Businesses vehemently oppose the Minimum Wage. So i'm not ready to subscribe to your theory yet.

Most people, including most business owners, aren't millionaire or billionaires.

Why can't they afford to pay Minimum Wage? If they're struggling with that, their Business is likely doomed to failure. It's real simple in the end... If you don't wanna pay workers a modest decent wage, then simply do the work yourself. No one is forcing you to hire workers.

And do you see how this plays into the hands of the "millionaires and billionaires"? Established, dominant companies benefit from regulation that hampers leaner competitors.

I hear ya, but that ship sailed a long time ago. The large Corporations own it all now. They've already crushed small businesses. It is sad, but it is the current reality. And they can afford to pay a worker a survivable wage.

As long as we're clear that what you're advocating is sacrificing the middle class to the desires of the very rich and the very poor.

No, i'm not advocating that. And i don't believe Minimum Wage is the cause of that perceived impending calamity. There is absolutely no evidence proving it is.

Minimum Wage has been around for a long time. And it in no way is the cause of your perceived impending calamity. If you have the evidence proving otherwise, lay it on us. I'm willing to listen.

 

[danielpalos]

But see, back in 2006, the prices were lower. And the minimum wage was $5.25. Now it's $7.25 or higher in most places.

Every time you raise the minimum wage, we never have this great big boost in the economy, nor is everyone able to afford everything they want.

It never works. So now it's $7.25, and we're hearing the exact same argument we heard when it was $5.25.

Every time you move the line, the target moves farther away.

And no, it won't benefit us in the long run, because more people will be on government benefits as jobs dry up, as they have EVERY TIME the minimum wage goes up.

There isn't any evidence proving that raising Minimum Wage adversely effects the economy.

Do you deny that minimum wage has always been trivially low, and that it's only decreased over time, in terms of actual value? Why would there be any evidence? If anything, there should be evidence of the opposite. And lo and behold .....

During the time it's existed, more Millionaires & Billionaires have been created than ever before in history. Raising Minimum Wage has little to no impact. So let's get em working, paying taxes, and spending some money back into the economy. $10-$12 is a good starting point. But it'll still be a struggle.

This is exactly right, but you fail to recognize the significance of this observation. Minimum wage is supported by the powers that be, quite deliberately, because it maintains an underclass. Because it placates the masses with false security and allows the millionaires and billionaires to bilk us, while pretending to do the opposite. You're propagating a fraud, a delusion and a distraction.

Could be true. But in my observation, most Businesses vehemently oppose the Minimum Wage. So i'm not ready to subscribe to your theory yet.

Most people, including most business owners, aren't millionaire or billionaires.

Why can't they afford to pay Minimum Wage? If they're struggling with that, their Business is likely doomed to failure. It's real simple in the end... If you don't wanna pay workers a modest decent wage, then simply do the work yourself. No one is forcing you to hire workers.

It does seem that the Henry Ford business model doesn't seem to be appreciated by some capitalists.

 

[hadit]

I have submitted and explained to you the well established economic principles that describe how statutory minimum wage is necessarily harmful to the economy.

I have examined plenty of data... yet none of it was corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities) that are active in the same time periods.

An injured athlete pumped full of pain-killers and cortisone feels and functions just fine... would you still say he was not harmed?

Of course not.

Do you have such data--corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities)--that would so soundly refute the points I submitted? If so, please present them so we can examine them together.

Minimum Wage has never caused more Unemployment. You don't have any evidence supporting otherwise. If you do, let's have it. I'm an open-minded individual.

Do you think it could? Do you think it's possible to raise the minimum enough that it would cause unemployment or inflation? If so, how high would that be?

would inflation driven by wages be worse than what we have now?

Yes. Inflation is really only helpful to bankers and politicians.

Minimum Wage plays no significant role in Inflation and Unemployment. Other much more significant factors do.

Only as long as you keep it low enough that it doesn't really matter. Otherwise, we could just raise it to $100/hr and eliminate poverty altogether.

 

[dblack]

Most people, including most business owners, aren't millionaire or billionaires.

Why can't they afford to pay Minimum Wage? If they're struggling with that, their Business is likely doomed to failure. It's real simple in the end... If you don't wanna pay workers a modest decent wage, then simply do the work yourself. No one is forcing you to hire workers.

And do you see how this plays into the hands of the "millionaires and billionaires"? Established, dominant companies benefit from regulation that hampers leaner competitors.

I hear ya, but that ship sailed a long time ago. The large Corporations own it all now. They've already crushed small businesses. It is sad, but it is the current reality. And they can afford to pay a worker a survivable wage.

As long as we're clear that what you're advocating is sacrificing the middle class to the desires of the very rich and the very poor.

No, i'm not advocating that. And i don't believe Minimum Wage is the cause of that perceived impending calamity. There is absolutely no evidence proving it is.

Minimum Wage has been around for a long time. And it in no way is the cause of your perceived impending calamity. If you have the evidence proving otherwise, lay it on us. I'm willing to listen.

You just admitted to it. Your excuse is "that ship already sailed".

 

[paulitician]

The ugly reality is, America was founded on greed & hate. Landlords across America aren't gonna suddenly lower rents to help people out. In fact, they're gonna do the exact opposite. It's all about the greed. They could give a rat's ass you may have to go live in a homeless shelter. It's not their problem. As long as they're getting theirs, you can fuck off and die for all they care. I mean come on, our Founding Fathers were a bunch of fat, rich, greedy white dudes who had slaves for God's sake.

But sometimes we have to bite the bullet and help the less fortunate among us. We have to pay our workers a survivable wage. The cost of not doing that, will be enormous. Where or who will these people turn to for help? Well, they'll turn to Government. And Taxpayers will pay more.

Hey, it's a cold hard world out there. Most could give a shite whether you live or die. That's just the way it is. So, there's no point appealing to peoples' 'morals.' Because too many among us just don't have em. It has to be presented to most in terms of Dollars & Cents. So, pay American Workers now, or suffer the consequences and pay much more later. That's something even the most greedy and hateful among us can understand.

 

[dblack]

The ugly reality is, America was founded on greed & hate. Landlords across America aren't gonna suddenly lower rents to help people out. In fact, they're gonna do the exact opposite. It's all about the greed. They could give a rat's ass you may have to go live in a homeless shelter. It's not their problem. As long as they're getting theirs, you can fuck off and die for all they care. I mean come on, our Founding Fathers were a bunch of fat, rich, greedy white dudes who had slaves for God's sake.

But sometimes we have to bite the bullet and help the less fortunate among us. We have to pay our workers a survivable wage. The cost of not doing that, will be enormous. Where or who will these people turn to for help? Well, they'll turn to Government. And Taxpayers will pay more.

Hey, it's a cold hard world out there. Most could give a shite whether you live or die. That's just the way it is. So, there's no point appealing to peoples' 'morals.' Because too many among us just don't have em. It has to be presented to most in terms of Dollars & Cents. So, pay American Workers now, or suffer the consequences and pay much more later. That's something even the most greedy and hateful among us can understand.

The greedy and hateful use it (abuse it). That's what we've been talking about. Government control over our economic decisions is, essentially, corporate control over our economic decisions.

 

[danielpalos]

no loki, it is NOT well established that the minimum wage hikes have hurt the economy, nor has it been established that they have raised our country's unemployment rates or hurt the economy's growth in the 22 times minimum wage has gone up in our nation.

All figures from said increases show NO EFFECT on the Nations unemployment rate and NO EFFECT on inflation rates for the Nation either....

The numbers are not with you...so what are you seeing that I am not seeing?

Can you show the numbers you have analyzed to come to this conclusion?

I agree with you that it seems like this would be the case...but the statistics/numbers proving such, just aren't there to support the theory....
Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

<<COPY/PASTE BLERF SNIPPED IN THE NAME OF SANITY>>​

I have submitted and explained to you the well established economic principles that describe how statutory minimum wage is necessarily harmful to the economy.

I have examined plenty of data... yet none of it was corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities) that are active in the same time periods.

An injured athlete pumped full of pain-killers and cortisone feels and functions just fine... would you still say he was not harmed?

Of course not.

Do you have such data--corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities)--that would so soundly refute the points I submitted? If so, please present them so we can examine them together.

Minimum Wage has never caused more Unemployment. You don't have any evidence supporting otherwise. If you do, let's have it. I'm an open-minded individual.

Do you think it could? Do you think it's possible to raise the minimum enough that it would cause unemployment or inflation? If so, how high would that be?

would inflation driven by wages be worse than what we have now?

Yes. More inflation, regardless of the cause, is bad for workers and the middle class. It's really only helpful to bankers and politicians.

I am not sure I understand your point of view; inflation happens. Wages out-pacing inflation must be better for labor.

 

[Skull Pilot]

and everything will cost more and those who are already making the proposed MW will see their purchasing power drop

Last year the median hourly wage was 17 an hour

so more than half of all workers will not get a raise and will instead see their purchasing power diminish.

How does that help the economy?

The Minimum Wage does not adversely effect the Economy. There just isn't any evidence it ever has. Businesses have not only always survived it, they've thrived. So let's do the right thing and make more citizens tax-paying productive citizens. We'll all benefit from it in the end.

The alternative is much much worse. Having millions more citizens depending on Government Entitlements to survive, will cost us a whole lot more. You think your taxes are too high now? Just wait. If we continue down this road, you ain't seen nothin yet.

So show me the last time the MW was doubled and then what happened

Never before has the MW been proposed to be more than doubled.

It isn't rocket science to figure out that those who are making close to the proposed MW will see a decrease in spending power because prices across the board will have to rise to accommodate the drastic proposed increase and the people already getting close to the proposed MW will not see any salary increaae

Let's be real, $9 an hr is gonna make anyone rich. In fact, that's pretty much shite nowadays. My God, just rent alone, is a killer in today's America. The Minimum Wage needs to be at least somewhere between $10-$12.

With that, more will pay taxes and maybe even have some disposable income to spend back into the economy. It'll benefit us all in the long run. It's the logical alternative to supporting millions more who'll need Government Entitlements to survive.

everyone is talking 15 an hour not 9

And why are you working on the assumption that one can only work 1 full time job and that that one job should be enough to pay all living expenses?

When I was working for near MW I managed to pay rent keep a car on the road and food in the fridge. I just worked more than one job for more than 40 hours a week and shared an apartment with a few other guys. I never needed government assistance then.

Welcome to the new America. Just paying rent alone, has become virtually impossible for too many Americans. I mean just to live in an apartment, they do credit checks and set the rates ridiculously high. So i'm sorry so many Americans are greedy assholes, but that's just the way it is. Not many Landlords give a shite about anyone other than themselves.

So, in some areas of the country, $15 an hr. isn't so unreasonable. But like i said, i'm willing to go with $10-$12. It's a decent step n the right direction. But it'll still be a struggle.

Landlords have the right to protect their property from deadbeats. If you have shitty credit it doesn't matter what your hourly wage is you will have trouble anywhere.

And rent is not impossible to pay people do it every month.

So why don't you answer the question:

Why are you basing being able to pay all of one's living expenses on the wage from one 40 hour a week job?

As I said before when I was only able to get low wages when I was young I didn't whine about it I got another job and worked as much as I had to so that the wage my work was worth covered my bills.

I never needed to suck on the public tit so why do you?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Let's be real, $9 an hr is gonna make anyone rich. In fact, that's pretty much shite nowadays. My God, just rent alone, is a killer in today's America. The Minimum Wage needs to be at least somewhere between $10-$12.

With that, more will pay taxes and maybe even have some disposable income to spend back into the economy. It'll benefit us all in the long run. It's the logical alternative to supporting millions more who'll need Government Entitlements to survive.

But see, back in 2006, the prices were lower. And the minimum wage was $5.25. Now it's $7.25 or higher in most places.

Every time you raise the minimum wage, we never have this great big boost in the economy, nor is everyone able to afford everything they want.

It never works. So now it's $7.25, and we're hearing the exact same argument we heard when it was $5.25.

Every time you move the line, the target moves farther away.

And no, it won't benefit us in the long run, because more people will be on government benefits as jobs dry up, as they have EVERY TIME the minimum wage goes up.

There isn't any evidence proving that raising Minimum Wage adversely effects the economy.

Do you deny that minimum wage has always been trivially low, and that it's only decreased over time, in terms of actual value? Why would there be any evidence? If anything, there should be evidence of the opposite. And lo and behold .....

During the time it's existed, more Millionaires & Billionaires have been created than ever before in history. Raising Minimum Wage has little to no impact. So let's get em working, paying taxes, and spending some money back into the economy. $10-$12 is a good starting point. But it'll still be a struggle.

This is exactly right, but you fail to recognize the significance of this observation. Minimum wage is supported by the powers that be, quite deliberately, because it maintains an underclass. Because it placates the masses with false security and allows the millionaires and billionaires to bilk us, while pretending to do the opposite. You're propagating a fraud, a delusion and a distraction.

Could be true. But in my observation, most Businesses vehemently oppose the Minimum Wage. So i'm not ready to subscribe to your theory yet.

Most people, including most business owners, aren't millionaire or billionaires.

Most small businesses only manage single digit profit margins and people think that doubling labor costs won't hurt those businesses at all.

 

[dblack]

I have submitted and explained to you the well established economic principles that describe how statutory minimum wage is necessarily harmful to the economy.

I have examined plenty of data... yet none of it was corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities) that are active in the same time periods.

An injured athlete pumped full of pain-killers and cortisone feels and functions just fine... would you still say he was not harmed?

Of course not.

Do you have such data--corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities)--that would so soundly refute the points I submitted? If so, please present them so we can examine them together.

Minimum Wage has never caused more Unemployment. You don't have any evidence supporting otherwise. If you do, let's have it. I'm an open-minded individual.

Do you think it could? Do you think it's possible to raise the minimum enough that it would cause unemployment or inflation? If so, how high would that be?

would inflation driven by wages be worse than what we have now?

Yes. More inflation, regardless of the cause, is bad for workers and the middle class. It's really only helpful to bankers and politicians.

I am not sure I understand your point of view; inflation happens. Wages out-pacing inflation must be better for labor.

Only if all wages were raised, and only if no one loses their job because they can't convince an employer to pay them the higher wage. And only if the higher wages actually do outpace inflation. For most people, not all of those would be true.

 

[LOki]

Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I "pay em a survivable wage"?

Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I "...pay much more down the road"?

Yes. I read that the first time. Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I consider "getting on board"?

Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should it cost me dearly?

Why won't you explain to me what's wrong with simply basing a worker's wages upon what that worker's work is worth?

WHY DON'T YOU?

Very little of this argument has anything to do with morals.

Oh really? If not a moral argument, then what EXACTLY is the reason you advocate for a statutory minimum wage?

Especially with people like you.

Really? My argument is fundamentally a moral one. You're out of your league, is what your problem is.

Point is, you will pay for millions more depending on Government Entitlements for survival. You don't have a choice in that.

Oh. I have to pay "just because" is your insightful argument. Because you're going send thugs to forcibly "redistribute" the wealth? BRAVO!

Tell us Cupcake; What is the exact moral principle upon which you base your authority to decide who is deserving of the wealth you'll just take by force, and who is not?

No offense, but i haven't seen much morals in your arguments.

No surprise. You've demonstrated yourself to be intentionally obtuse to avoid the valid counter-points being made.

I have seen a whole lotta greedy bitterness though.

Demonstrate. Quote me directly. Cupcake.

Or just ignore the challenge... you know, because you're wrong, and you know it.

But regardless, your taxes will be raised to support millions more depending on Government Entitlements to survive. That's just fact.

If so, it's only because folks like you claim the moral authority to decide for EVERYONE who deserves what... and you're not above shooting those who disagree right in the face to demonstrate your claim.

Correct?

Do you object to simply basing a worker's wage upon what his work is worth, because under those circumstances you get NO SAY regarding what other people think their work is worth? Is that it?

Is your moral principle "you'll give us what we demand, or we'll just kill you and take it"?

Is it your sanguine capacity to initiate coercive violence that validates your moral claim?

This is what I'd like to know.

Doesn't matter how much you bitch & moan, your taxes will go up to help support millions who need Government Assistance to survive. So you'd be wise to support paying workers a survivable wage. It'll be for the best in the end.

I score another bullseye!