Minimum Wage Increase: They Never Talks About the SALES

OK. Let's assume we are just talking about someone who really wants to work, and not some glue-huffing retard who thinks his dedication to wearing black fingernail polish, rather than work is merit enough for a rock star's paycheck. Lets also say that "welfare" pays the equvalent of $6.50/hr. What statutory minimum wage says is that even if this guy who wants to work, wanted to work for $7.00/hr, it would be a crime to do so.

That despite the agreement between him and the employer that the job is worth $7.00/hr, the government rolls in and declares (in the name of social justice) that this worker's efforts are worth nothing--so much so in fact, that they are willing to pay him $6.50/hr to do nothing!

Not only does this guy get less than he could earn, we don't even get the benefit of his services--the job is not being done, or if it is, it's being done by some poor schlep who's desperately trying hard to merit his $15k/year job so he doesn't have to be a $11k/year welfare recipient himself--or, this work being done by someone, like you perhaps, who is getting paid well in excess of the minimum wage because your effort merits it, but now your productivity suffers because you are scrubbing the men's room urinals instead of the actual job you were hired for. Then you wonder why you get no raise despite the fact that you're doing both your job and that of the janitor. Why do you object to simply basing a worker's wage upon what that worker's work is worth

It's really not that complicated... Either you have a nation of Citizens working, paying taxes, spending money back into the economy, or you have a nation of too many Citizens relying on Government Entitlements to survive.
I'm not disagreeing with this.

I'm telling you that statutory minimum wage can't solve for that. It's not even part of the solution... it's part of the problem.

Increasing the statutory minimum will only makes things worse. It is a mathematical and economic reality.

Personally, i'm going with paying em a survivable wage. It'll come back around to benefit us all in the end.
No it won't. It's like standing in a bucket, and trying pull yourself up by the handle. This has been explained to you.

But hey, that's just me.
And you're just deliberately obtuse.

And you guys who are always bitchin & moanin about your taxes being raised, better consider getting on board as well.
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I consider "getting on board" with that?

Pay em a survivable wage now,...
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I "pay em a survivable wage"?

... or you'll pay much more down the road.
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I "...pay much more down the road"?

If you are concerned about your taxes being raised, i would advise you get on board.
Yes. I read that the first time. Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I consider "getting on board"?

More citizens depending on Government Entitlements to survive, is gonna cost you dearly.
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should it cost me dearly?

Why won't you explain to me what's wrong with simply basing a worker's wages upon what that worker's work is worth?

WHY DON'T YOU?

Very little of this argument has anything to do with morals.
Oh really? If not a moral argument, then what EXACTLY is the reason you advocate for a statutory minimum wage?

Especially with people like you.
Really? My argument is fundamentally a moral one. You're out of your league, is what your problem is.

Point is, you will pay for millions more depending on Government Entitlements for survival. You don't have a choice in that.
Oh. I have to pay "just because" is your insightful argument. Because you're going send thugs to forcibly "redistribute" the wealth? BRAVO!

Tell us Cupcake; What is the exact moral principle upon which you base your authority to decide who is deserving of the wealth you'll just take by force, and who is not?
 
You guys have been proven wrong time after time. The sky doesn't fall over raising Minimum Wage. Businesses will once again survive, and thrive.

and everything will cost more and those who are already making the proposed MW will see their purchasing power drop

Last year the median hourly wage was 17 an hour

so more than half of all workers will not get a raise and will instead see their purchasing power diminish.

How does that help the economy?

The Minimum Wage does not adversely effect the Economy. There just isn't any evidence it ever has. Businesses have not only always survived it, they've thrived. So let's do the right thing and make more citizens tax-paying productive citizens. We'll all benefit from it in the end.

The alternative is much much worse. Having millions more citizens depending on Government Entitlements to survive, will cost us a whole lot more. You think your taxes are too high now? Just wait. If we continue down this road, you ain't seen nothin yet.

So show me the last time the MW was doubled and then what happened

Never before has the MW been proposed to be more than doubled.

It isn't rocket science to figure out that those who are making close to the proposed MW will see a decrease in spending power because prices across the board will have to rise to accommodate the drastic proposed increase and the people already getting close to the proposed MW will not see any salary increaae

Let's be real, $9 an hr is gonna make anyone rich. In fact, that's pretty much shite nowadays. My God, just rent alone, is a killer in today's America. The Minimum Wage needs to be at least somewhere between $10-$12.

With that, more will pay taxes and maybe even have some disposable income to spend back into the economy. It'll benefit us all in the long run. It's the logical alternative to supporting millions more who'll need Government Entitlements to survive.

But see, back in 2006, the prices were lower. And the minimum wage was $5.25. Now it's $7.25 or higher in most places.

Every time you raise the minimum wage, we never have this great big boost in the economy, nor is everyone able to afford everything they want.

It never works. So now it's $7.25, and we're hearing the exact same argument we heard when it was $5.25.

Every time you move the line, the target moves farther away.

And no, it won't benefit us in the long run, because more people will be on government benefits as jobs dry up, as they have EVERY TIME the minimum wage goes up.

There isn't any evidence proving that raising Minimum Wage adversely effects the economy. During the time it's existed, more Millionaires & Billionaires have been created than ever before in history. Raising Minimum Wage has little to no impact. So let's get em working, paying taxes, and spending some money back into the economy. $10-$12 is a good starting point. But it'll still be a struggle.
 
It's really not that complicated... Either you have a nation of Citizens working, paying taxes, spending money back into the economy, or you have a nation of too many Citizens relying on Government Entitlements to survive.
I'm not disagreeing with this.

I'm telling you that statutory minimum wage can't solve for that. It's not even part of the solution... it's part of the problem.

Increasing the statutory minimum will only makes things worse. It is a mathematical and economic reality.

Personally, i'm going with paying em a survivable wage. It'll come back around to benefit us all in the end.
No it won't. It's like standing in a bucket, and trying pull yourself up by the handle. This has been explained to you.

But hey, that's just me.
And you're just deliberately obtuse.

And you guys who are always bitchin & moanin about your taxes being raised, better consider getting on board as well.
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I consider "getting on board" with that?

Pay em a survivable wage now,...
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I "pay em a survivable wage"?

... or you'll pay much more down the road.
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I "...pay much more down the road"?

If you are concerned about your taxes being raised, i would advise you get on board.
Yes. I read that the first time. Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I consider "getting on board"?

More citizens depending on Government Entitlements to survive, is gonna cost you dearly.
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should it cost me dearly?

Why won't you explain to me what's wrong with simply basing a worker's wages upon what that worker's work is worth?

WHY DON'T YOU?

Very little of this argument has anything to do with morals.
Oh really? If not a moral argument, then what EXACTLY is the reason you advocate for a statutory minimum wage?

Especially with people like you.
Really? My argument is fundamentally a moral one. You're out of your league, is what your problem is.

Point is, you will pay for millions more depending on Government Entitlements for survival. You don't have a choice in that.
Oh. I have to pay "just because" is your insightful argument. Because you're going send thugs to forcibly "redistribute" the wealth? BRAVO!

Tell us Cupcake; What is the exact moral principle upon which you base your authority to decide who is deserving of the wealth you'll just take by force, and who is not?

No offense, but i haven't seen much morals in your arguments. I have seen a whole lotta greedy bitterness though. But regardless, your taxes will be raised to support millions more depending on Government Entitlements to survive. That's just fact.
 
I'm not disagreeing with this.

I'm telling you that statutory minimum wage can't solve for that. It's not even part of the solution... it's part of the problem.

Increasing the statutory minimum will only makes things worse. It is a mathematical and economic reality.

No it won't. It's like standing in a bucket, and trying pull yourself up by the handle. This has been explained to you.

And you're just deliberately obtuse.

Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I consider "getting on board" with that?

Pay em a survivable wage now,...
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I "pay em a survivable wage"?

... or you'll pay much more down the road.
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I "...pay much more down the road"?

If you are concerned about your taxes being raised, i would advise you get on board.
Yes. I read that the first time. Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I consider "getting on board"?

More citizens depending on Government Entitlements to survive, is gonna cost you dearly.
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should it cost me dearly?

Why won't you explain to me what's wrong with simply basing a worker's wages upon what that worker's work is worth?

WHY DON'T YOU?

Very little of this argument has anything to do with morals.
Oh really? If not a moral argument, then what EXACTLY is the reason you advocate for a statutory minimum wage?

Especially with people like you.
Really? My argument is fundamentally a moral one. You're out of your league, is what your problem is.

Point is, you will pay for millions more depending on Government Entitlements for survival. You don't have a choice in that.
Oh. I have to pay "just because" is your insightful argument. Because you're going send thugs to forcibly "redistribute" the wealth? BRAVO!

Tell us Cupcake; What is the exact moral principle upon which you base your authority to decide who is deserving of the wealth you'll just take by force, and who is not?

No offense, but i haven't seen much morals in your arguments. I have seen a whole lotta greedy bitterness though. But regardless, your taxes will be raised to support millions more depending on Government Entitlements to survive. That's just fact.

So morals in your world is dictating to others. But us allowing the people involved to decide, that's immoral?

Stalin would be proud.
 
I'm not disagreeing with this.

I'm telling you that statutory minimum wage can't solve for that. It's not even part of the solution... it's part of the problem.

Increasing the statutory minimum will only makes things worse. It is a mathematical and economic reality.

No it won't. It's like standing in a bucket, and trying pull yourself up by the handle. This has been explained to you.

And you're just deliberately obtuse.

Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I consider "getting on board" with that?

Pay em a survivable wage now,...
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I "pay em a survivable wage"?

... or you'll pay much more down the road.
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I "...pay much more down the road"?

If you are concerned about your taxes being raised, i would advise you get on board.
Yes. I read that the first time. Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I consider "getting on board"?

More citizens depending on Government Entitlements to survive, is gonna cost you dearly.
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should it cost me dearly?

Why won't you explain to me what's wrong with simply basing a worker's wages upon what that worker's work is worth?

WHY DON'T YOU?

Very little of this argument has anything to do with morals.
Oh really? If not a moral argument, then what EXACTLY is the reason you advocate for a statutory minimum wage?

Especially with people like you.
Really? My argument is fundamentally a moral one. You're out of your league, is what your problem is.

Point is, you will pay for millions more depending on Government Entitlements for survival. You don't have a choice in that.
Oh. I have to pay "just because" is your insightful argument. Because you're going send thugs to forcibly "redistribute" the wealth? BRAVO!

Tell us Cupcake; What is the exact moral principle upon which you base your authority to decide who is deserving of the wealth you'll just take by force, and who is not?

No offense, but i haven't seen much morals in your arguments.
No surprise. You've demonstrated yourself to be intentionally obtuse to avoid the valid counter-points being made.

I have seen a whole lotta greedy bitterness though.
Demonstrate. Quote me directly. Cupcake.

Or just ignore the challenge... you know, because you're wrong, and you know it.

But regardless, your taxes will be raised to support millions more depending on Government Entitlements to survive. That's just fact.
If so, it's only because folks like you claim the moral authority to decide for EVERYONE who deserves what... and you're not above shooting those who disagree right in the face to demonstrate your claim.

Correct?

Do you object to simply basing a worker's wage upon what his work is worth, because under those circumstances you get NO SAY regarding what other people think their work is worth? Is that it?

Is your moral principle "you'll give us what we demand, or we'll just kill you and take it"?

Is it your sanguine capacity to initiate coercive violence that validates your moral claim?

This is what I'd like to know.
 
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So never mind all the evidence that hiking the minimum wage hurts the very people it's supposed to help? Never mind that hiking the minimum wage ignores the crucial difference between people who work low-income jobs to get through school or for other temporary reasons and people who work low-income jobs on a long-term basis and to support or help support a family?

Just never mind fact and reality, right? Just blindly insist on hiking the minimum wage over and over again--and then scratch your head and wonder why our economy continues to have weaker and weaker recoveries, more and more long-term unemployed, and more jobs shipped overseas because companies understandably don't want to pay someone $15 an hour and benefits to do simple jobs like operate a cash register, wash dishes, or clean tables.

Hiking the EITC is an infinitely smarter and better way to help people who work low-income jobs on a long-term basis, especially if they're supporting or helping to support a family. It targets those who need the help, distributes the cost more broadly, and doesn't cause employers to cut back on low-income jobs.

You guys have been proven wrong time after time. The sky doesn't fall over raising Minimum Wage. Businesses will once again survive, and thrive.

and everything will cost more and those who are already making the proposed MW will see their purchasing power drop

Last year the median hourly wage was 17 an hour

so more than half of all workers will not get a raise and will instead see their purchasing power diminish.

How does that help the economy?

The Minimum Wage does not adversely effect the Economy. There just isn't any evidence it ever has. Businesses have not only always survived it, they've thrived. So let's do the right thing and make more citizens tax-paying productive citizens. We'll all benefit from it in the end.

The alternative is much much worse. Having millions more citizens depending on Government Entitlements to survive, will cost us a whole lot more. You think your taxes are too high now? Just wait. If we continue down this road, you ain't seen nothin yet.

So show me the last time the MW was doubled and then what happened

Never before has the MW been proposed to be more than doubled.

It isn't rocket science to figure out that those who are making close to the proposed MW will see a decrease in spending power because prices across the board will have to rise to accommodate the drastic proposed increase and the people already getting close to the proposed MW will not see any salary increaae

Let's be real, $9 an hr is gonna make anyone rich. In fact, that's pretty much shite nowadays. My God, just rent alone, is a killer in today's America. The Minimum Wage needs to be at least somewhere between $10-$12.

With that, more will pay taxes and maybe even have some disposable income to spend back into the economy. It'll benefit us all in the long run. It's the logical alternative to supporting millions more who'll need Government Entitlements to survive.

everyone is talking 15 an hour not 9

And why are you working on the assumption that one can only work 1 full time job and that that one job should be enough to pay all living expenses?

When I was working for near MW I managed to pay rent keep a car on the road and food in the fridge. I just worked more than one job for more than 40 hours a week and shared an apartment with a few other guys. I never needed government assistance then.
 
If they tried to look at the past history of the economics of this country they might find something to open their eyes. Like the 40's and 50's 60' and early 70's.
But they need to secure their spot on their knees bowing to their money masters.



Still not seeing how the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy.
This has been explained to you. You offer no contest; just denial of well established economic realities.


We have more Millionaires and Billionaires than ever before in our history.
Not relevant. Just another distracting appeal to emotion.

Paying struggling workers a decent wage isn't gonna break the bank. Seriously, it's true. Anyway, have a good Saturday. See ya. :)
Patently wrong for OBVIOUS reasons.

No one has presented any evidence proving the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy.
This has been explained to you. You offer no contest; just denial of well established economic realities. Again.

Businesses have not only survived it, they've thrived like never before. More Millionaires and Billionaires are being created then ever before in our history.
Not relevant. Just another distracting appeal to emotion. Again.

So when you guys predict the sky falling over raising Minimum Wage, you'll be proven wrong. Just like you've been proven wrong the other numerous times you predicted the sky falling.
This strawman indicts you.

You guys just don't have much credibility on this one. Sorry, but it is what it is.
Patently wrong for OBVIOUS reasons.

Pertaining to Minimum Wage, you guys have no credibility. Your grim predictions on it are always proven wrong. The sky never falls, and it never will. Businesses will survive, and thrive. Bet on it.
 
Still not seeing how the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy.
This has been explained to you. You offer no contest; just denial of well established economic realities.


We have more Millionaires and Billionaires than ever before in our history.
Not relevant. Just another distracting appeal to emotion.

Paying struggling workers a decent wage isn't gonna break the bank. Seriously, it's true. Anyway, have a good Saturday. See ya. :)
Patently wrong for OBVIOUS reasons.
no loki, it is NOT well established that the minimum wage hikes have hurt the economy, nor has it been established that they have raised our country's unemployment rates or hurt the economy's growth in the 22 times minimum wage has gone up in our nation.

All figures from said increases show NO EFFECT on the Nations unemployment rate and NO EFFECT on inflation rates for the Nation either....

The numbers are not with you...so what are you seeing that I am not seeing?

Can you show the numbers you have analyzed to come to this conclusion?

I agree with you that it seems like this would be the case...but the statistics/numbers proving such, just aren't there to support the theory....
Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor
Minimum Wage Mythbusters
Myth: Raising the minimum wage will only benefit teens.

Not true: The typical minimum wage worker is not a high-school student earning weekend pocket money. In fact, 88 percent of those who would benefit from a federal minimum wage increase are age 20 or older, and 55 percent are women.


Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.


Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would hurt restaurants.

Not true: In California, employers are required to pay servers the full minimum wage of $9 per hour - before tips. Even with a recent increase in the minimum wage, the National Restaurant Association projects California restaurant sales will outpace the U.S. average in 2014.


Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would lead to restaurant job losses.

Not true: Employers in San Francisco must pay tipped workers the full minimum wage of $10.74 per hour – before tips. Yet, the San Francisco restaurant industry has experienced positive job growth over the past few years according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.


Myth: Raising the federal minimum wage won't benefit workers in states where the hourly minimum rate is already higher than the federal minimum.

Not true: Only 23 states and the District of Columbia currently have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum, meaning a majority of states have an hourly minimum rate at or below the federal minimum. Increasing the federal minimum wage will boost the earnings for some 28 million low-wage workers nationwide. That includes workers in those states already earning above the current federal minimum. Raising the federal minimum wage is an important part of strengthening the economy. A raise for minimum wage earners will put more money in more families' pockets, which will be spent on goods and services, stimulating economic growth locally and nationally.


Myth: Younger workers don't have to be paid the minimum wage.

Not true: While there are some exceptions, employers are generally required to pay at least the federal minimum wage. Exceptions allowed include a minimum wage of $4.25 per hour for young workers under the age of 20, but only during their first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment with an employer, and as long as their work does not displace other workers. After 90 consecutive days of employment or the employee reaches 20 years of age, whichever comes first, the employee must receive the current federal minimum wage or the state minimum wage, whichever is higher. There are programs requiring federal certification that allow for payment of less than the full federal minimum wage, but those programs are not limited to the employment of young workers.


Myth: Restaurant servers don't need to be paid the minimum wage since they receive tips.

Not true: An employer can pay a tipped employee as little as $2.13 per hour in direct wages, but only if that amount plus tips equal at least the federal minimum wage and the worker retains all tips and customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. Often, an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage. When that occurs, the employer must make up the difference. Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, he or she is entitled to the provisions of each law which provides the greater benefits.


Myth: Only part-time workers are paid the minimum wage.

Not true: About 53 percent of all minimum wage earners are full-time workers, and minimum wage workers contributed almost half (46 percent) of their household's wage and salary income in 2011. Moreover, more than 88 percent of those who would benefit from raising the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 are working adults, and 55 percent are working women.


Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for businesses.

Not true: Academic research has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.


Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for the economy.

Not true: Since 1938, the federal minimum wage has been increased 22 times. For more than 75 years, real GDP per capita has steadily increased, even when the minimum wage has been raised.


Myth: The federal minimum wage goes up automatically as prices increase.

Not true: While some states have enacted rules in recent years triggering automatic increases in their minimum wages to help them keep up with inflation, the federal minimum wage does not operate in the same manner. An increase in the federal minimum wage requires approval by Congress and the president. However, in his call to gradually increase the current federal minimum wage to $10.10 per hour, President Obama has also called for it to adjust automatically with inflation. Eliminating the requirement of formal congressional action would likely reduce the amount of time between increases, and better help low-income families keep up with rising prices.


Myth: The federal minimum wage is higher today than it was when President Reagan took office.

Not true: While the federal minimum wage was only $3.35 per hour in 1981 and is currently $7.25 per hour in real dollars, when adjusted for inflation, the current federal minimum wage would need to be more than $8 per hour to equal its buying power of the early 1980s and more nearly $11 per hour to equal its buying power of the late 1960s. That's why President Obama is urging Congress to increase the federal minimum wage and give low-wage workers a much-needed boost.


Myth: Increasing the minimum wage lacks public support.

Not true: Raising the federal minimum wage is an issue with broad popular support. Polls conducted since February 2013 when President Obama first called on Congress to increase the minimum wage have consistently shown that an overwhelming majority of Americans support an increase.


Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will result in job losses for newly hired and unskilled workers in what some call a “last-one-hired-equals-first-one-fired” scenario.

Not true: Minimum wage increases have little to no negative effect on employment as shown in independent studies from economists across the country. Academic research also has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.


Myth: The minimum wage stays the same if Congress doesn't change it.

Not true: Congress sets the minimum wage, but it doesn't keep pace with inflation. Because the cost of living is always rising, the value of a new minimum wage begins to fall from the moment it is set.
 
and everything will cost more and those who are already making the proposed MW will see their purchasing power drop

Last year the median hourly wage was 17 an hour

so more than half of all workers will not get a raise and will instead see their purchasing power diminish.

How does that help the economy?

The Minimum Wage does not adversely effect the Economy. There just isn't any evidence it ever has. Businesses have not only always survived it, they've thrived. So let's do the right thing and make more citizens tax-paying productive citizens. We'll all benefit from it in the end.

The alternative is much much worse. Having millions more citizens depending on Government Entitlements to survive, will cost us a whole lot more. You think your taxes are too high now? Just wait. If we continue down this road, you ain't seen nothin yet.

So show me the last time the MW was doubled and then what happened

Never before has the MW been proposed to be more than doubled.

It isn't rocket science to figure out that those who are making close to the proposed MW will see a decrease in spending power because prices across the board will have to rise to accommodate the drastic proposed increase and the people already getting close to the proposed MW will not see any salary increaae

Let's be real, $9 an hr is gonna make anyone rich. In fact, that's pretty much shite nowadays. My God, just rent alone, is a killer in today's America. The Minimum Wage needs to be at least somewhere between $10-$12.

With that, more will pay taxes and maybe even have some disposable income to spend back into the economy. It'll benefit us all in the long run. It's the logical alternative to supporting millions more who'll need Government Entitlements to survive.

But see, back in 2006, the prices were lower. And the minimum wage was $5.25. Now it's $7.25 or higher in most places.

Every time you raise the minimum wage, we never have this great big boost in the economy, nor is everyone able to afford everything they want.

It never works. So now it's $7.25, and we're hearing the exact same argument we heard when it was $5.25.

Every time you move the line, the target moves farther away.

And no, it won't benefit us in the long run, because more people will be on government benefits as jobs dry up, as they have EVERY TIME the minimum wage goes up.

There isn't any evidence proving that raising Minimum Wage adversely effects the economy.

Do you deny that minimum wage has always been trivially low, and that it's only decreased over time, in terms of actual value? Why would there be any evidence? If anything, there should be evidence of the opposite. And lo and behold .....

During the time it's existed, more Millionaires & Billionaires have been created than ever before in history. Raising Minimum Wage has little to no impact. So let's get em working, paying taxes, and spending some money back into the economy. $10-$12 is a good starting point. But it'll still be a struggle.

This is exactly right, but you fail to recognize the significance of this observation. Minimum wage is supported by the powers that be, quite deliberately, because it maintains an underclass. Because it placates the masses with false security and allows the millionaires and billionaires to bilk us, while pretending to do the opposite. You're propagating a fraud, a delusion and a distraction.
 
Still not seeing how the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy.
This has been explained to you. You offer no contest; just denial of well established economic realities.


We have more Millionaires and Billionaires than ever before in our history.
Not relevant. Just another distracting appeal to emotion.

Paying struggling workers a decent wage isn't gonna break the bank. Seriously, it's true. Anyway, have a good Saturday. See ya. :)
Patently wrong for OBVIOUS reasons.
no loki, it is NOT well established that the minimum wage hikes have hurt the economy, nor has it been established that they have raised our country's unemployment rates or hurt the economy's growth in the 22 times minimum wage has gone up in our nation.

All figures from said increases show NO EFFECT on the Nations unemployment rate and NO EFFECT on inflation rates for the Nation either....

The numbers are not with you...so what are you seeing that I am not seeing?

Can you show the numbers you have analyzed to come to this conclusion?

I agree with you that it seems like this would be the case...but the statistics/numbers proving such, just aren't there to support the theory....
Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

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I have submitted and explained to you the well established economic principles that describe how statutory minimum wage is necessarily harmful to the economy.

I have examined plenty of data... yet none of it was corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities) that are active in the same time periods.

An injured athlete pumped full of pain-killers and cortisone feels and functions just fine... would you still say he was not harmed?

Of course not.

Do you have such data--corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities)--that would so soundly refute the points I submitted? If so, please present them so we can examine them together.
 
Pay em a survivable wage now,...
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I "pay em a survivable wage"?

... or you'll pay much more down the road.
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I "...pay much more down the road"?

If you are concerned about your taxes being raised, i would advise you get on board.
Yes. I read that the first time. Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I consider "getting on board"?

More citizens depending on Government Entitlements to survive, is gonna cost you dearly.
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should it cost me dearly?

Why won't you explain to me what's wrong with simply basing a worker's wages upon what that worker's work is worth?

WHY DON'T YOU?

Very little of this argument has anything to do with morals.
Oh really? If not a moral argument, then what EXACTLY is the reason you advocate for a statutory minimum wage?

Especially with people like you.
Really? My argument is fundamentally a moral one. You're out of your league, is what your problem is.

Point is, you will pay for millions more depending on Government Entitlements for survival. You don't have a choice in that.
Oh. I have to pay "just because" is your insightful argument. Because you're going send thugs to forcibly "redistribute" the wealth? BRAVO!

Tell us Cupcake; What is the exact moral principle upon which you base your authority to decide who is deserving of the wealth you'll just take by force, and who is not?

No offense, but i haven't seen much morals in your arguments. I have seen a whole lotta greedy bitterness though. But regardless, your taxes will be raised to support millions more depending on Government Entitlements to survive. That's just fact.

So morals in your world is dictating to others. But us allowing the people involved to decide, that's immoral?

Stalin would be proud.

Sorry, but most people i observe bitchin & moaning about Minimum Wage do come off as being greedy ugly people. So there's no point appealing to their 'morals.' Instead, i actually appeal to their immoral greed.

I try to show them that they'll pay much much more with millions more depending on Government Entitlements to survive. Hey, I do wish morals had something to do with these types of discussions. But i know better.
 
Pay em a survivable wage now,...
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I "pay em a survivable wage"?

... or you'll pay much more down the road.
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I "...pay much more down the road"?

If you are concerned about your taxes being raised, i would advise you get on board.
Yes. I read that the first time. Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should I consider "getting on board"?

More citizens depending on Government Entitlements to survive, is gonna cost you dearly.
Why? For what morally and intellectually valid reason should it cost me dearly?

Why won't you explain to me what's wrong with simply basing a worker's wages upon what that worker's work is worth?

WHY DON'T YOU?

Very little of this argument has anything to do with morals.
Oh really? If not a moral argument, then what EXACTLY is the reason you advocate for a statutory minimum wage?

Especially with people like you.
Really? My argument is fundamentally a moral one. You're out of your league, is what your problem is.

Point is, you will pay for millions more depending on Government Entitlements for survival. You don't have a choice in that.
Oh. I have to pay "just because" is your insightful argument. Because you're going send thugs to forcibly "redistribute" the wealth? BRAVO!

Tell us Cupcake; What is the exact moral principle upon which you base your authority to decide who is deserving of the wealth you'll just take by force, and who is not?

No offense, but i haven't seen much morals in your arguments.
No surprise. You've demonstrated yourself to be intentionally obtuse to avoid the valid counter-points being made.

I have seen a whole lotta greedy bitterness though.
Demonstrate. Quote me directly. Cupcake.

Or just ignore the challenge... you know, because you're wrong, and you know it.

But regardless, your taxes will be raised to support millions more depending on Government Entitlements to survive. That's just fact.
If so, it's only because folks like you claim the moral authority to decide for EVERYONE who deserves what... and you're not above shooting those who disagree right in the face to demonstrate your claim.

Correct?

Do you object to simply basing a worker's wage upon what his work is worth, because under those circumstances you get NO SAY regarding what other people think their work is worth? Is that it?

Is your moral principle "you'll give us what we demand, or we'll just kill you and take it"?

Is it your sanguine capacity to initiate coercive violence that validates your moral claim?

This is what I'd like to know.

Doesn't matter how much you bitch & moan, your taxes will go up to help support millions who need Government Assistance to survive. So you'd be wise to support paying workers a survivable wage. It'll be for the best in the end.
 
You guys have been proven wrong time after time. The sky doesn't fall over raising Minimum Wage. Businesses will once again survive, and thrive.

and everything will cost more and those who are already making the proposed MW will see their purchasing power drop

Last year the median hourly wage was 17 an hour

so more than half of all workers will not get a raise and will instead see their purchasing power diminish.

How does that help the economy?

The Minimum Wage does not adversely effect the Economy. There just isn't any evidence it ever has. Businesses have not only always survived it, they've thrived. So let's do the right thing and make more citizens tax-paying productive citizens. We'll all benefit from it in the end.

The alternative is much much worse. Having millions more citizens depending on Government Entitlements to survive, will cost us a whole lot more. You think your taxes are too high now? Just wait. If we continue down this road, you ain't seen nothin yet.

So show me the last time the MW was doubled and then what happened

Never before has the MW been proposed to be more than doubled.

It isn't rocket science to figure out that those who are making close to the proposed MW will see a decrease in spending power because prices across the board will have to rise to accommodate the drastic proposed increase and the people already getting close to the proposed MW will not see any salary increaae

Let's be real, $9 an hr is gonna make anyone rich. In fact, that's pretty much shite nowadays. My God, just rent alone, is a killer in today's America. The Minimum Wage needs to be at least somewhere between $10-$12.

With that, more will pay taxes and maybe even have some disposable income to spend back into the economy. It'll benefit us all in the long run. It's the logical alternative to supporting millions more who'll need Government Entitlements to survive.

everyone is talking 15 an hour not 9

And why are you working on the assumption that one can only work 1 full time job and that that one job should be enough to pay all living expenses?

When I was working for near MW I managed to pay rent keep a car on the road and food in the fridge. I just worked more than one job for more than 40 hours a week and shared an apartment with a few other guys. I never needed government assistance then.

Welcome to the new America. Just paying rent alone, has become virtually impossible for too many Americans. I mean just to live in an apartment, they do credit checks and set the rates ridiculously high. So i'm sorry so many Americans are greedy assholes, but that's just the way it is. Not many Landlords give a shite about anyone other than themselves.

So, in some areas of the country, $15 an hr. isn't so unreasonable. But like i said, i'm willing to go with $10-$12. It's a decent step n the right direction. But it'll still be a struggle.
 
Still not seeing how the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy.
This has been explained to you. You offer no contest; just denial of well established economic realities.


We have more Millionaires and Billionaires than ever before in our history.
Not relevant. Just another distracting appeal to emotion.

Paying struggling workers a decent wage isn't gonna break the bank. Seriously, it's true. Anyway, have a good Saturday. See ya. :)
Patently wrong for OBVIOUS reasons.
no loki, it is NOT well established that the minimum wage hikes have hurt the economy, nor has it been established that they have raised our country's unemployment rates or hurt the economy's growth in the 22 times minimum wage has gone up in our nation.

All figures from said increases show NO EFFECT on the Nations unemployment rate and NO EFFECT on inflation rates for the Nation either....

The numbers are not with you...so what are you seeing that I am not seeing?

Can you show the numbers you have analyzed to come to this conclusion?

I agree with you that it seems like this would be the case...but the statistics/numbers proving such, just aren't there to support the theory....
Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor
Minimum Wage Mythbusters
Myth: Raising the minimum wage will only benefit teens.

Not true: The typical minimum wage worker is not a high-school student earning weekend pocket money. In fact, 88 percent of those who would benefit from a federal minimum wage increase are age 20 or older, and 55 percent are women.


Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will cause people to lose their jobs.

Not true: A review of 64 studies on minimum wage increases found no discernable effect on employment. Additionally, more than 600 economists, seven of them Nobel Prize winners in economics, have signed onto a letter in support of raising the minimum wage to $10.10 by 2016.


Myth: Small business owners can't afford to pay their workers more, and therefore don't support an increase in the minimum wage.

Not true: A June 2014 survey found that more than 3 out of 5 small business owners support increasing the minimum wage to $10.10. Small business owners believe that a higher minimum wage would benefit business in important ways: 58% say raising the minimum wage would increase consumer purchasing power. 56% say raising the minimum wage would help the economy. In addition, 53% agree that with a higher minimum wage, businesses would benefit from lower employee turnover, increased productivity and customer satisfaction.


Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would hurt restaurants.

Not true: In California, employers are required to pay servers the full minimum wage of $9 per hour - before tips. Even with a recent increase in the minimum wage, the National Restaurant Association projects California restaurant sales will outpace the U.S. average in 2014.


Myth: Raising the federal tipped minimum wage ($2.13 per hour since 1991) would lead to restaurant job losses.

Not true: Employers in San Francisco must pay tipped workers the full minimum wage of $10.74 per hour – before tips. Yet, the San Francisco restaurant industry has experienced positive job growth over the past few years according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.


Myth: Raising the federal minimum wage won't benefit workers in states where the hourly minimum rate is already higher than the federal minimum.

Not true: Only 23 states and the District of Columbia currently have a minimum wage higher than the federal minimum, meaning a majority of states have an hourly minimum rate at or below the federal minimum. Increasing the federal minimum wage will boost the earnings for some 28 million low-wage workers nationwide. That includes workers in those states already earning above the current federal minimum. Raising the federal minimum wage is an important part of strengthening the economy. A raise for minimum wage earners will put more money in more families' pockets, which will be spent on goods and services, stimulating economic growth locally and nationally.


Myth: Younger workers don't have to be paid the minimum wage.

Not true: While there are some exceptions, employers are generally required to pay at least the federal minimum wage. Exceptions allowed include a minimum wage of $4.25 per hour for young workers under the age of 20, but only during their first 90 consecutive calendar days of employment with an employer, and as long as their work does not displace other workers. After 90 consecutive days of employment or the employee reaches 20 years of age, whichever comes first, the employee must receive the current federal minimum wage or the state minimum wage, whichever is higher. There are programs requiring federal certification that allow for payment of less than the full federal minimum wage, but those programs are not limited to the employment of young workers.


Myth: Restaurant servers don't need to be paid the minimum wage since they receive tips.

Not true: An employer can pay a tipped employee as little as $2.13 per hour in direct wages, but only if that amount plus tips equal at least the federal minimum wage and the worker retains all tips and customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. Often, an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage. When that occurs, the employer must make up the difference. Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, he or she is entitled to the provisions of each law which provides the greater benefits.


Myth: Only part-time workers are paid the minimum wage.

Not true: About 53 percent of all minimum wage earners are full-time workers, and minimum wage workers contributed almost half (46 percent) of their household's wage and salary income in 2011. Moreover, more than 88 percent of those who would benefit from raising the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 are working adults, and 55 percent are working women.


Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for businesses.

Not true: Academic research has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.


Myth: Increasing the minimum wage is bad for the economy.

Not true: Since 1938, the federal minimum wage has been increased 22 times. For more than 75 years, real GDP per capita has steadily increased, even when the minimum wage has been raised.


Myth: The federal minimum wage goes up automatically as prices increase.

Not true: While some states have enacted rules in recent years triggering automatic increases in their minimum wages to help them keep up with inflation, the federal minimum wage does not operate in the same manner. An increase in the federal minimum wage requires approval by Congress and the president. However, in his call to gradually increase the current federal minimum wage to $10.10 per hour, President Obama has also called for it to adjust automatically with inflation. Eliminating the requirement of formal congressional action would likely reduce the amount of time between increases, and better help low-income families keep up with rising prices.


Myth: The federal minimum wage is higher today than it was when President Reagan took office.

Not true: While the federal minimum wage was only $3.35 per hour in 1981 and is currently $7.25 per hour in real dollars, when adjusted for inflation, the current federal minimum wage would need to be more than $8 per hour to equal its buying power of the early 1980s and more nearly $11 per hour to equal its buying power of the late 1960s. That's why President Obama is urging Congress to increase the federal minimum wage and give low-wage workers a much-needed boost.


Myth: Increasing the minimum wage lacks public support.

Not true: Raising the federal minimum wage is an issue with broad popular support. Polls conducted since February 2013 when President Obama first called on Congress to increase the minimum wage have consistently shown that an overwhelming majority of Americans support an increase.


Myth: Increasing the minimum wage will result in job losses for newly hired and unskilled workers in what some call a “last-one-hired-equals-first-one-fired” scenario.

Not true: Minimum wage increases have little to no negative effect on employment as shown in independent studies from economists across the country. Academic research also has shown that higher wages sharply reduce employee turnover which can reduce employment and training costs.


Myth: The minimum wage stays the same if Congress doesn't change it.

Not true: Congress sets the minimum wage, but it doesn't keep pace with inflation. Because the cost of living is always rising, the value of a new minimum wage begins to fall from the moment it is set.

There is no evidence proving raising the Minimum Wage has ever adversely effected the Economy. I've also asked for just one example of a Business going under due to paying Minimum Wage. No one has delivered so far. The reason is, it just doesn't happen. Businesses go under for various numerous reasons. But Minimum Wage isn't one of them.
 
The Minimum Wage does not adversely effect the Economy. There just isn't any evidence it ever has. Businesses have not only always survived it, they've thrived. So let's do the right thing and make more citizens tax-paying productive citizens. We'll all benefit from it in the end.

The alternative is much much worse. Having millions more citizens depending on Government Entitlements to survive, will cost us a whole lot more. You think your taxes are too high now? Just wait. If we continue down this road, you ain't seen nothin yet.

So show me the last time the MW was doubled and then what happened

Never before has the MW been proposed to be more than doubled.

It isn't rocket science to figure out that those who are making close to the proposed MW will see a decrease in spending power because prices across the board will have to rise to accommodate the drastic proposed increase and the people already getting close to the proposed MW will not see any salary increaae

Let's be real, $9 an hr is gonna make anyone rich. In fact, that's pretty much shite nowadays. My God, just rent alone, is a killer in today's America. The Minimum Wage needs to be at least somewhere between $10-$12.

With that, more will pay taxes and maybe even have some disposable income to spend back into the economy. It'll benefit us all in the long run. It's the logical alternative to supporting millions more who'll need Government Entitlements to survive.

But see, back in 2006, the prices were lower. And the minimum wage was $5.25. Now it's $7.25 or higher in most places.

Every time you raise the minimum wage, we never have this great big boost in the economy, nor is everyone able to afford everything they want.

It never works. So now it's $7.25, and we're hearing the exact same argument we heard when it was $5.25.

Every time you move the line, the target moves farther away.

And no, it won't benefit us in the long run, because more people will be on government benefits as jobs dry up, as they have EVERY TIME the minimum wage goes up.

There isn't any evidence proving that raising Minimum Wage adversely effects the economy.

Do you deny that minimum wage has always been trivially low, and that it's only decreased over time, in terms of actual value? Why would there be any evidence? If anything, there should be evidence of the opposite. And lo and behold .....

During the time it's existed, more Millionaires & Billionaires have been created than ever before in history. Raising Minimum Wage has little to no impact. So let's get em working, paying taxes, and spending some money back into the economy. $10-$12 is a good starting point. But it'll still be a struggle.

This is exactly right, but you fail to recognize the significance of this observation. Minimum wage is supported by the powers that be, quite deliberately, because it maintains an underclass. Because it placates the masses with false security and allows the millionaires and billionaires to bilk us, while pretending to do the opposite. You're propagating a fraud, a delusion and a distraction.

Could be true. But in my observation, most Businesses vehemently oppose the Minimum Wage. So i'm not ready to subscribe to your theory yet.
 
Still not seeing how the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy.
This has been explained to you. You offer no contest; just denial of well established economic realities.


We have more Millionaires and Billionaires than ever before in our history.
Not relevant. Just another distracting appeal to emotion.

Paying struggling workers a decent wage isn't gonna break the bank. Seriously, it's true. Anyway, have a good Saturday. See ya. :)
Patently wrong for OBVIOUS reasons.
no loki, it is NOT well established that the minimum wage hikes have hurt the economy, nor has it been established that they have raised our country's unemployment rates or hurt the economy's growth in the 22 times minimum wage has gone up in our nation.

All figures from said increases show NO EFFECT on the Nations unemployment rate and NO EFFECT on inflation rates for the Nation either....

The numbers are not with you...so what are you seeing that I am not seeing?

Can you show the numbers you have analyzed to come to this conclusion?

I agree with you that it seems like this would be the case...but the statistics/numbers proving such, just aren't there to support the theory....
Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

<<COPY/PASTE BLERF SNIPPED IN THE NAME OF SANITY>>
I have submitted and explained to you the well established economic principles that describe how statutory minimum wage is necessarily harmful to the economy.

I have examined plenty of data... yet none of it was corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities) that are active in the same time periods.

An injured athlete pumped full of pain-killers and cortisone feels and functions just fine... would you still say he was not harmed?

Of course not.

Do you have such data--corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities)--that would so soundly refute the points I submitted? If so, please present them so we can examine them together.

Minimum Wage has never caused more Unemployment. You don't have any evidence supporting otherwise. If you do, let's have it. I'm an open-minded individual.
 
I believe we need a better minimum wage than one that only provides for the general welfare of those employed.

Unemployment compensation could function as a social safety net on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States by bailing out capitalism like usual through compensation simply for being unemployed in our at-will employment States. Such a minimum wage should clear our poverty guidelines to function as a social safety net.
 
Still not seeing how the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy.
This has been explained to you. You offer no contest; just denial of well established economic realities.


We have more Millionaires and Billionaires than ever before in our history.
Not relevant. Just another distracting appeal to emotion.

Paying struggling workers a decent wage isn't gonna break the bank. Seriously, it's true. Anyway, have a good Saturday. See ya. :)
Patently wrong for OBVIOUS reasons.
no loki, it is NOT well established that the minimum wage hikes have hurt the economy, nor has it been established that they have raised our country's unemployment rates or hurt the economy's growth in the 22 times minimum wage has gone up in our nation.

All figures from said increases show NO EFFECT on the Nations unemployment rate and NO EFFECT on inflation rates for the Nation either....

The numbers are not with you...so what are you seeing that I am not seeing?

Can you show the numbers you have analyzed to come to this conclusion?

I agree with you that it seems like this would be the case...but the statistics/numbers proving such, just aren't there to support the theory....
Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

<<COPY/PASTE BLERF SNIPPED IN THE NAME OF SANITY>>
I have submitted and explained to you the well established economic principles that describe how statutory minimum wage is necessarily harmful to the economy.

I have examined plenty of data... yet none of it was corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities) that are active in the same time periods.

An injured athlete pumped full of pain-killers and cortisone feels and functions just fine... would you still say he was not harmed?

Of course not.

Do you have such data--corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities)--that would so soundly refute the points I submitted? If so, please present them so we can examine them together.

Minimum Wage has never caused more Unemployment. You don't have any evidence supporting otherwise. If you do, let's have it. I'm an open-minded individual.
Do you think it could? Do you think it's possible to raise the minimum enough that it would cause unemployment or inflation? If so, how high would that be?
 
Still not seeing how the Minimum Wage has ever hurt the U.S. Economy.
This has been explained to you. You offer no contest; just denial of well established economic realities.


We have more Millionaires and Billionaires than ever before in our history.
Not relevant. Just another distracting appeal to emotion.

Paying struggling workers a decent wage isn't gonna break the bank. Seriously, it's true. Anyway, have a good Saturday. See ya. :)
Patently wrong for OBVIOUS reasons.
no loki, it is NOT well established that the minimum wage hikes have hurt the economy, nor has it been established that they have raised our country's unemployment rates or hurt the economy's growth in the 22 times minimum wage has gone up in our nation.

All figures from said increases show NO EFFECT on the Nations unemployment rate and NO EFFECT on inflation rates for the Nation either....

The numbers are not with you...so what are you seeing that I am not seeing?

Can you show the numbers you have analyzed to come to this conclusion?

I agree with you that it seems like this would be the case...but the statistics/numbers proving such, just aren't there to support the theory....
Minimum Wage Mythbusters - U.S. Department of Labor

<<COPY/PASTE BLERF SNIPPED IN THE NAME OF SANITY>>
I have submitted and explained to you the well established economic principles that describe how statutory minimum wage is necessarily harmful to the economy.

I have examined plenty of data... yet none of it was corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities) that are active in the same time periods.

An injured athlete pumped full of pain-killers and cortisone feels and functions just fine... would you still say he was not harmed?

Of course not.

Do you have such data--corrected for the anti-inflation, and counter unemployment policies (and other confounding externalities)--that would so soundly refute the points I submitted? If so, please present them so we can examine them together.

Minimum Wage has never caused more Unemployment. You don't have any evidence supporting otherwise. If you do, let's have it. I'm an open-minded individual.
Do you think it could? Do you think it's possible to raise the minimum enough that it would cause unemployment or inflation? If so, how high would that be?
would inflation driven by wages be worse than what we have now?
 
So show me the last time the MW was doubled and then what happened

Never before has the MW been proposed to be more than doubled.

It isn't rocket science to figure out that those who are making close to the proposed MW will see a decrease in spending power because prices across the board will have to rise to accommodate the drastic proposed increase and the people already getting close to the proposed MW will not see any salary increaae

Let's be real, $9 an hr is gonna make anyone rich. In fact, that's pretty much shite nowadays. My God, just rent alone, is a killer in today's America. The Minimum Wage needs to be at least somewhere between $10-$12.

With that, more will pay taxes and maybe even have some disposable income to spend back into the economy. It'll benefit us all in the long run. It's the logical alternative to supporting millions more who'll need Government Entitlements to survive.

But see, back in 2006, the prices were lower. And the minimum wage was $5.25. Now it's $7.25 or higher in most places.

Every time you raise the minimum wage, we never have this great big boost in the economy, nor is everyone able to afford everything they want.

It never works. So now it's $7.25, and we're hearing the exact same argument we heard when it was $5.25.

Every time you move the line, the target moves farther away.

And no, it won't benefit us in the long run, because more people will be on government benefits as jobs dry up, as they have EVERY TIME the minimum wage goes up.

There isn't any evidence proving that raising Minimum Wage adversely effects the economy.

Do you deny that minimum wage has always been trivially low, and that it's only decreased over time, in terms of actual value? Why would there be any evidence? If anything, there should be evidence of the opposite. And lo and behold .....

During the time it's existed, more Millionaires & Billionaires have been created than ever before in history. Raising Minimum Wage has little to no impact. So let's get em working, paying taxes, and spending some money back into the economy. $10-$12 is a good starting point. But it'll still be a struggle.

This is exactly right, but you fail to recognize the significance of this observation. Minimum wage is supported by the powers that be, quite deliberately, because it maintains an underclass. Because it placates the masses with false security and allows the millionaires and billionaires to bilk us, while pretending to do the opposite. You're propagating a fraud, a delusion and a distraction.

Could be true. But in my observation, most Businesses vehemently oppose the Minimum Wage. So i'm not ready to subscribe to your theory yet.

Most people, including most business owners, aren't millionaire or billionaires.
 

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