MILITARY POLL: Active Duty, Retired, Veterans, Guard - Babbitt

[WorldWatcher]

"Do you support the Trump Administration decision to extend military honors to Ashley Babbitt's family?"
and I would support any Trump Administration decision to charge Byrd with murder charges for killing an unarmed American citizen who posed no physical harm to him, and had to LITERALLY crawl across piled up furniture to get to a spineless slug who lay in wait in a concealed position to spring out from that position to ambush her...

Must really piss you off that...

He was cleared in the shooting by Capitol Police review.

He was cleared by Federal authorities for the shoot.

He will never be charged with a crime (because it's not a crime to use leathel force when presented with a clear and present danger).

He will never see the inside of a courtroom as a criminal defendant.

He will never see the inside of a civil courtroom either because the Trump Administration just paid off the family with $5,000,000 to keep the case from going to civil trial. They didn't want J6 rioters being all over the news going into the mid-terms. Trump supporters (you know all the signs and red MAGA hats) attacking Congress wouldn't look good.

And finally, that he was promoted from Lieutenant to Captain.

WW

 

[popscottpopscott]

Must really piss you off that...

He was cleared in the shooting by DC Police review.

He was cleared by Federal authorities for the shoot.

He will never be charged with a crime (because it's not a crime to use leathel force when presented with a clear and present danger).

He will never see the inside of a courtroom as a criminal defendant.

He will never see the inside of a civil courtroom either because the Trump Administration just paid off the family with $5,000,000 to keep the case from going to civil trial. They didn't want J6 rioters being all over the news going into the mid-terms. Trump supporters (you know all the signs and red MAGA hats) attacking Congress wouldn't look good.

And finally, that he was promoted from Lieutenant to Captain.

WW

Must piss you off Byrd WAS NEVER QUESTIONED OR MADE ANY STATEMENT TO THE REVIEW BOARD OR BY FEDERAL AUTHORITIES that was investigating him and the Babbitt shooting.... but couldn't wait to get in front of a camera to spew his lies to the public.

Babbitt never posed a " a clear and present danger" when she LITERALLY had to crawl across piled up furniture and cross a 15 foot hallway to get to this murderer who lay in a hidden ambush position.

 

[Lesh]

Must piss you off Byrd WAS NEVER QUESTIONED OR MADE ANY STATEMENT TO THE REVIEW BOARD OR BY FEDERAL AUTHORITIES that was investigating him and the Babbitt shooting.... but couldn't wait to get in front of a camera to spew his lies to the public.

Babbitt never posed a " a clear and present danger" when she LITERALLY had to crawl across piled up furniture and cross a 15 foot hallway to get to this murderer who lay in a hidden ambush position.

That “piled up furniture” was a police barricade that she was breaching in the middle of a violent riot INSIDE the Capitol building

 

[WorldWatcher]

Must piss you off Byrd WAS NEVER QUESTIONED OR MADE ANY STATEMENT TO THE REVIEW BOARD OR BY FEDERAL AUTHORITIES that was investigating him and the Babbitt shooting.... but couldn't wait to get in front of a camera to spew his lies to the public.

Babbitt never posed a " a clear and present danger" when she LITERALLY had to crawl across piled up furniture and cross a 15 foot hallway to get to this murderer who lay in a hidden ambush position.

Look at the layout of the Speaker Lobby. She and the mob behind her were literally two steps away from the door that was the entrace to the House Chamber.

And yes, a mob armed with melee weapons presents a clear and present danger. He literally watched the mob break through the barrier armed with such weapons.

WW

 

[debbiedowner]

One explanation could be if she had previously been in a different branch and returned to active duty... which she did with the air national guard...
Or she had been demoted for some reason... I see that as unlikely or we would know that by now,,,

Here's a little bit about her. She made E-4 in first 4 years.

Killing of Ashli Babbitt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[debbiedowner]

I think she is entitled to a military funeral and burial because of service as is all service people, if that is what we're talking about. If it includes more than that, no and especially no if it is because of political posturing. I can't find what "full honors" would be in this particular case. It sounds like it is being inflated by the media. USN 1965 - 1971

A full military honors funeral is a ceremony that expresses the nation's gratitude for an eligible veteran's service and sacrifice, typically including a uniformed military detail, the playing of Taps, and the folding and presentation of a U.S. burial flag. While eligibility is reserved for those who served honorably, the presence of additional elements like a rifle squad, pallbearers, or a military band is determined by factors such as the deceased's rank, their circumstances of death, and mission-dependent availability, ensuring a dignified and respectful farewell

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

**** NO....retired Air Force officer.

And anyone who thinks that deranged traitor **** deserves a military funeral is just as fucked up as she was.

That guard had NO CHOICE. If he let her through that door, that deranged mob of MAGA white trash would have killed everyone.

 

[odanny]

I do notice much like those terror cells they are trying to make Ashley a martyr. We have seen this before, this is straight out of Al Qaeda playbook...

Way before that, too.

Wessel in his Sturmführer uniform leading an SA unit at a Nazi Party rally in Nuremberg, 1929


On 14 January 1930, he was shot in the head by two Communists. According to sources, his murder was due to a dispute related to his procuring of women. Albrecht "Ali" Höhler was arrested and charged with his murder. Höhler was initially sentenced to six years in prison but was forcibly removed from jail and killed by the SA after the Nazis came to power in September 1933.

Wessel's funeral was given wide attention in Berlin, with many of the Nazi elite in attendance. After his death, he became a propaganda symbol in Nazi Germany. A march for which he had written the lyrics was renamed the "Horst-Wessel-Lied"("Horst Wessel Song"), and became the official anthem of the Nazi Party. After Adolf Hitler came to national power in 1933, the song became the co-national anthem of Germany, along with the first verse of the previous "Deutschlandlied", also known as "Deutschland über alles".

Horst Wessel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JWBooth]

Here's a little bit about her. She made E-4 in first 4 years.

Killing of Ashli Babbitt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

When I enlisted you could be an E4 right out of boot if you signed for 6 and were in a technical rating. We had several pass through during my active duty, none were worth piss.

 

[Missourian]

Here's a little bit about her. She made E-4 in first 4 years.

Killing of Ashli Babbitt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Promotion to NCO ranks is all about promotion points and open slots. If you're in a highly competitive MOS (lots of junior enlisted vying for relatively few slots) the promotion point cut off will be very high. Your Time in Service and Time in Grade accrue to give you "automatic" points, you get points for awards and decorations, points for PT score, and points for military education like BNCO (bee-knock) Basic Non-Commissioned Officer Course.

If your MOS is critically short with a low cutoff score, that may be enough. You sit your Promotion Board and ace it, that was another up to 200 promotion points... and you're in like Flynn.

But in a highly competitive MOS with a high cut off, you may need to be selected for other military courses or attempt to max out civilian education points, which means correspondence courses or night college.

That's how it worked in the Army when I was in. A soldier in a highly competitive MOS who had no interest in or time to max out Civilian Education points often ended in separated from service before retirement because they failed to get promoted.

An E-5(P), a Sergeant on the Promotable List, had 15 years Time in Service to be promoted to Staff Sergeant or face separation. E-6, Staff Sergeant, is the first rank eligible for a 20 year retirement.


All that to say, you can be a good Soldier and still not get promoted.

 

[Lesh]

Promotion to NCO ranks is all about promotion points and open slots. If you're in a highly competitive MOS (lots of junior enlisted vying for relatively few slots) the promotion point cut off will be very high. Your Time in Service and Time in Grade accrue to give you "automatic" points, you get points for awards and decorations, points for PT score, and points for military education like BNCO (bee-knock) Basic Non-Commissioned Officer Course.

If your MOS is critically short with a low cutoff score, that may be enough. You sit your Promotion Board and ace it, that was another up to 200 promotion points... and you're in like Flynn.

But in a highly competitive MOS with a high cut off, you may need to be selected for other military courses or attempt to max out civilian education points, which means correspondence courses or night college.

That's how it worked in the Army when I was in. A soldier in a highly competitive MOS who had no interest or time in to max out Civilian Education points often ended in separated from service before retirement because they failed to get promoted.

An E-5(P), a Sergeant on the Promotable List, had 15 years Time in Service to be promoted to Staff Sergeant or face separation. E-6, Staff Sergeant, is the first rank eligible for a 20 year retirement.


All that to say, you can be a good Soldier and still not get promoted.

I made E-4 in two years. There were some who made it faster

I was not extraordinary

 

[Lesh]

Way before that, too.

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Wessel in his Sturmführer uniform leading an SA unit at a Nazi Party rally in Nuremberg, 1929


On 14 January 1930, he was shot in the head by two Communists. According to sources, his murder was due to a dispute related to his procuring of women. Albrecht "Ali" Höhler was arrested and charged with his murder. Höhler was initially sentenced to six years in prison but was forcibly removed from jail and killed by the SA after the Nazis came to power in September 1933.

Wessel's funeral was given wide attention in Berlin, with many of the Nazi elite in attendance. After his death, he became a propaganda symbol in Nazi Germany. A march for which he had written the lyrics was renamed the "Horst-Wessel-Lied"("Horst Wessel Song"), and became the official anthem of the Nazi Party. After Adolf Hitler came to national power in 1933, the song became the co-national anthem of Germany, along with the first verse of the previous "Deutschlandlied", also known as "Deutschland über alles".

Horst Wessel - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Kind of eerily similar

 

[Auld Phart]

WTF is a rapid response SEAL?

Never met one of those and I volunteered as a role-player training them for 11 years.

that troll is only here to disrupt the thread.

 

[odanny]

Promotion to NCO ranks is all about promotion points and open slots. If you're in a highly competitive MOS (lots of junior enlisted vying for relatively few slots) the promotion point cut off will be very high. Your Time in Service and Time in Grade accrue to give you "automatic" points, you get points for awards and decorations, points for PT score, and points for military education like BNCO (bee-knock) Basic Non-Commissioned Officer Course.

In my MOS (aviation mechanic) alot of the guys in those slots were lifers, so the points needed for NCO were usually 994, which we all called "nine nine never", but once a year they would drop to some number, like in the upper 700's, and that one month a year was your shot to finally make NCO. I was taking college courses and got good PT scores, and those made the difference and finally got me over the hump.

BNOC was a requirement to get promoted, when I went thru it, there were 11B guys whose points were in the 440 range. All they had to do was graduate to get promoted.

 

[JWBooth]

Promotion to NCO ranks is all about promotion points and open slots. If you're in a highly competitive MOS (lots of junior enlisted vying for relatively few slots) the promotion point cut off will be very high. Your Time in Service and Time in Grade accrue to give you "automatic" points, you get points for awards and decorations, points for PT score, and points for military education like BNCO (bee-knock) Basic Non-Commissioned Officer Course.

If your MOS is critically short with a low cutoff score, that may be enough. You sit your Promotion Board and ace it, that was another up to 200 promotion points... and you're in like Flynn.

But in a highly competitive MOS with a high cut off, you may need to be selected for other military courses or attempt to max out civilian education points, which means correspondence courses or night college.

That's how it worked in the Army when I was in. A soldier in a highly competitive MOS who had no interest in or time to max out Civilian Education points often ended in separated from service before retirement because they failed to get promoted.

An E-5(P), a Sergeant on the Promotable List, had 15 years Time in Service to be promoted to Staff Sergeant or face separation. E-6, Staff Sergeant, is the first rank eligible for a 20 year retirement.


All that to say, you can be a good Soldier and still not get promoted.

Tell me about it. Due to all those automatic E4s I talked about in my previous post, we called them push button 3rd classes, though I never scored below 145 on a 150 point advancement exam. Passed but not advanced, 3X, there were no openings, I developed a less than stellar attitude.

 

[Auld Phart]

Must really piss you off that...

He was cleared in the shooting by Capitol Police review.

He was cleared by Federal authorities for the shoot.

He will never be charged with a crime (because it's not a crime to use leathel force when presented with a clear and present danger).

He will never see the inside of a courtroom as a criminal defendant.

He will never see the inside of a civil courtroom either because the Trump Administration just paid off the family with $5,000,000 to keep the case from going to civil trial. They didn't want J6 rioters being all over the news going into the mid-terms. Trump supporters (you know all the signs and red MAGA hats) attacking Congress wouldn't look good.

And finally, that he was promoted from Lieutenant to Captain.

WW

Must really piss you off that...

it does

 

[Missourian]

I made E-4 in two years. There were some who made it faster

I was not extraordinary

E-4 promotion is usually automatic. It's based on Time is Service and Time in Grade.

E-5 is where promotion points and promotion boards come into play.


Here's a screenshot of the current promotion point cut off list.

My old MOS, which was 97B when I was in but is now 35L, is still critically short 25 years later.

The red circle at the bottom? No slots available. Nobody is getting promoted in that MOS.

Something has definitely changed since I was in. Pretty sure the MINIMUM cut off for promotion was like 600 points back then.

 

[Missourian]

BNOC was a requirement to get promoted, when I went thru it, there were 11B guys whose points were in the 440 range. All they had to do was graduate to get promoted.

Something has definitely changed in promotion points. Some of those MOS have promotion cutoffs scores in the high 300s.

 

[Missourian]

...we called them push button 3rd classes...

↑↑↑

 

[odanny]

Something has definitely changed in promotion points. Some of those MOS have promotion cutoffs scores in the high 300s.

It's all changed, ASVAB scores have changed, promotion points have changed, MOS classification has changed (I was a 68F, which no longer exists, don't know what it is now)